Origin 8 Crawler fat bike

[Guitar Ted]

Origin 8 came up with a bit of a surprise with this "Crawler" fat bike. Details were scarce, since it only arrived in the U.S. a few days ago. Here's what I do know now....

Aluminum frame, 135 X 135 frt/rear spacing, Nuvinci rear hub and some extended front hub with no-name. Fork was steel with dual rack mounts.

They said it'll be sold as I saw it, and should be "pretty reasonable". No word on when, or on geometry, or even if they will offer it in different sizes.

I rode it, and its quicker handling than a Mukluk, but it weighs at least well north of 40lbs. Lots to lug there! Rims were something I haven't seen before either and were at least 80mm wide.

No hangar for a derailleur, this is SS or IGH only.

It handled the rocks and scree great. I even ticked off a DH rider when I passed him on the demo loop I was on.

More if I can find out.

[damnitman]

But will it fit the BFL on 100's?

[wieczorek24]

But will it fit the BFL on 100's?

I think that's become the deciding factor for a lot of my frame choices now lol

[eec62]

GT what do you think the quicker handling is attributed to? Steeper head tube angle?

[Velobike]

The tyres don't appear to have a Surly logo.

Blacked out, or a different tyre?

[CLONG]

Wow SS or IGH only, interesting tack to take.

Pretty sure those are the Chinese-made Weinmann rims. Which tires are they running?
EDIT: Saw your other post on V-Rubber, thanks.

[moose2008]

I've just checked out the origin 8 website there dosen't appear to be an email to contact them. I've been looking for a trail friendly fat bike for ages and quite like the offerings from sandman and on one, but they've all gone 170 at the rear so no Rohloff compatability. This could potentially be perfect, but so many questions.
Frame and fork only ?
F+F Weight?
BB height?
Geometery ?

Is it another snow / sand bike or are they going the On One approach of a xc / trail set up?
Exciting stuff, thanks for the post.

[wadester]

But will it fit the BFL on 100's?

I think that's become the deciding factor for a lot of my frame choices now lol

Now that I know my Fatback will fit BFL/100 - my deciding factor will be fitting NextGenerationFatties! You know, 6" or so?

[Guitar Ted]

Some answers: First- it will in no way work with the BFL on 100mm rims, and probably not on 80's. This bike appears to have been developed without foreknowledge of the BFL's existence. Clearances with the Vee Rubber Devast8er were tight as is.

Handling was quicker due to a definite shorter wheel base than my Mukluk, and probably a steeper head angle. In fact, it reminds me a bunch of the Pugsley.

Don't bother pestering Origin 8. As I understand, there is one guy that worked on the project that knows all the deets, and no one else here, (Almost everybody that works for Origin 8/J&B Importers is here), knows anything about the bike. I'll see if I can track him down inside the show Wednesday.

[EPcycles]

It looks to have a very steep head tube..... Atleast 5 degrees more than the seat tube which is probably arround 73. I wonder how that'd work with super low pressure?

[shiggy]

The tyres don't appear to have a Surly logo.

Blacked out, or a different tyre?

Vb, these are the Vee Rubber tires.

[Velobike]

It looks to have a very steep head tube..... Atleast 5 degrees more than the seat tube which is probably arround 73. I wonder how that'd work with super low pressure?

Nicely IMO.

I'm running a 72º HA on a half fat and using a fork that is 35mm shorter than specified which steepens it even more.

Bike steers well and feels nimble. Completely removes the flat tyre steering effect at low pressures. I'll probably lengthen the AC of the fork because that setup is a bit too quick when my reactions slow after several hours racing (but it's good for ordinary riding IMO).

I haven't tried it in the snow yet though.

[urbanseeds]

GT...can you snap some pics of the rear dropout system, or comment on them.
-rhino

[Gary in VA]

I've been lurking in this forum drooling over all the fat bikes. This looks like one that I'd be able to get my fat bike journey started on.

[Andy FitzGibbon]

135 X 135 frt/rear spacing.

Is the rear offset at all?

[Guitar Ted]

GT...can you snap some pics of the rear dropout system, or comment on them.
-rhino

Yeah, I'll see if I can get some pics of that. It is a slotted drop out with two hardware store looking 13mm bolts on each side. Pretty crude, but effective!

[Guitar Ted]

Is the rear offset at all?

Non-offset frame in aluminum.

[damnitman]

No provision for a front der? I've thought a 3x1 with a close chainring tooth-count and a high quality front der could be a simple and dependable drivetrain alternative.

[shiggy]

No provision for a front der? I've thought a 3x1 with a close chainring tooth-count and a high quality front der could be a simple and dependable drivetrain alternative.

You would still need a RD-type tensioner. Simpler to do a 1x3.

[moose2008]

If you can have a non offset frame why are all other 135 rear end fat bikes offset. How do you get the straight chainline without an offset rear? Does it have a 100mm BB?
Sorry if this is obvious to other people but I'm a little confused

[shiggy]

If you can have a non offset frame why are all other 135 rear end fat bikes offset. How do you get the straight chainline without an offset rear? Does it have a 100mm BB?
Sorry if this is obvious to other people but I'm a little confused

Single chainring, single cog (internal geared hub). Might still use a 83mm BB.

[Velobike]

Non-offset frame in aluminum.

So either they depend on a chainline that is out of alignment, or the NuVinci hub has its cog closer to the dropout than say an Alfine.

[Drew Diller]

So either they depend on a chainline that is out of alignment, or the NuVinci hub has its cog closer to the dropout than say an Alfine.

The latter is definite, by a small amount. 49mm chain line on the N360. Source.

[mikeyonthemadone]

January availability according to J&B rep. We just ordered three for our shop! 18 and 20 inch sizes....


Mikey

[FTMN]

January availability according to J&B rep. We just ordered three for our shop! 18 and 20 inch sizes....


Mikey

What's the price on 'em?