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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    That was my impression of the Vee Tire Sterling as well. (Fatback branded, and the Floater is also Vee Tire made) I set my Sterlings up at 20psi and haven't veered much lower than that since. They feel as good as a Larry at 7-10 psi. I wonder if the self-steer complaints on some Vee tires is because folks are treating the air pressures like they would with Surly tires. maybe Vee made tires of 120TPI need a higher psi to work well. It's interesting to me that you found a similar trait as I did.
    Mm - I will have to go back and try this with my Vee 8 tires. Fair suggestion, thank you.
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    I set my Floaters to 10PSI for today's ride on rocky, rooty goodness. In my opinion that's too much air, it was harsh, I let a little out and it was better (not sure where I ended up), but I think 8.5psi might be a good spot for me. More investigation on the way.

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    Well, they finally showed up yesterday. 1550g for one, 1525g for the other. Mounted and aired up easily, with a nice, satisfying bead pop at 20 psi. I aired them down to 9 front, 10 rear and went for a ride this morning with light fresh snow over tons of leaves and sticks, and I have to say I am impressed. Great traction, roll very well and are surprisingly cushy. Worth the wait.

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    Update;

    I wanted to chime in and update after finally getting mine out in some wintery weather. Everything I said before still stands. I still think these are the best all around tire in my experience. Weird ride. We started late last week with 2-3" of snow, followed by sleet, freezing rain, rain, freezing sleet, sleety frost, icy snow... did I miss any? Then it got really cold with a couple more inches of snow. The trails were snow covered, frosted, bare, frozen solid, glare icy, rim deep muddy, standing/running water down the trail... a real borgasshmord. Everything you could get other than deep snow. Add the usual rocks, roots, and about 2-3" thick of decaying leaves. What awaits 'round yonder bend?

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    Do you guys reverse the rear tyre or put both according to the direction arrow?
    I will soon, minutes, start mounting mine tubeless and would like to get it right first time. What does the designer say?
    I run HuDus now and expect more grip regardless.

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    I put my rear tire on backwards by mistake, and was too lazy to change it. It works great and has huge grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    I put my rear tire on backwards by mistake, and was too lazy to change it. It works great and has huge grip.
    Ditto

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    I put my rear tire on backwards by mistake, and was too lazy to change it. It works great and has huge grip.
    It's so similar in either direction, I don't think it particularly matters for this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edicviz View Post
    Do you guys reverse the rear tyre or put both according to the direction arrow?
    I will soon, minutes, start mounting mine tubeless and would like to get it right first time. What does the designer say?
    I run HuDus now and expect more grip regardless.
    I designed the tread with multiple working edges for drive, control and cornering grip on a variety of surfaces, hard and soft. In theory, this should also give the lower roll resistance advantage of a ramped knob while increasing traction in some conditions.

    Reversing it makes it more soft/loose (trail) specific. Reversed may dig in too much on sand and snow.
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    Thanks, I put them both in standard direction. I will try tomorrow. A bit heavier than the HuDus as expected, we will see how they roll. There is no, or at least very little, snow here yet.
    I managed to put the front on backwards. Made me angry because it was very hard to get them on my split-tube prepared rims. Well at least I got some practice doing it again.
    Actually inflating was very easy. They held air very well without sealant, but I put some in of course. It appears to be very airtight already.
    BTW the likewise tubeless HuDus had practically bonded to the split-tube. That was one robust set-up. I could hardly get it to come off when fully deflated and using force... I feel very confident with the method.

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    I rate these tyres so much I have sold off all my surly 4" rubber (Knards & Nates)
    Floaters get my vote for year round trail riding.
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    First ride today.
    I think I had to work a bit harder than with the HuDus, the Floaters are heavier and rolls slightly slower, maybe.
    Grip feels reassuring.
    My Hoggar steers better than ever. This was the biggest difference. The bike understeers less.
    Bike weight increased by half a kilo, approx a pound.
    I started on 10 psi, it felt pretty ok if a little bouncy. Lowered to 8 psi, felt slower and not a lot comfier and it also took away some of the crispy steering. I think I will settle for about 9 psi.
    That is on 47 mm rims and with a 155 lbs rider.
    Tubeless with split-tube is flawless.

    According to Strava I was considerably faster than yesterday's reference ride on a Turner 5-Spot but slower than my best times with HuDus. Conditions were not identical so it's hardly conclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    That was my impression of the Vee Tire Sterling as well. (Fatback branded, and the Floater is also Vee Tire made) I set my Sterlings up at 20psi and haven't veered much lower than that since. They feel as good as a Larry at 7-10 psi. I wonder if the self-steer complaints on some Vee tires is because folks are treating the air pressures like they would with Surly tires. maybe Vee made tires of 120TPI need a higher psi to work well. It's interesting to me that you found a similar trait as I did.
    I got another ride on my Floater today (fat front bike, Large Marge rim). Sandy, ruts, chunky basalt rock.
    I started with 20psi. No self-steer. Very bouncy/harsh on the rocks.
    Dropped to 12psi. Still no self-steer. A bit better on the rock.
    Down to 7psi. Maybe a minor bit of self-steer at times. Good on the rocks. No squirm.
    Rolling resistance was never an issue. Surface was either sand (packed and loose) or chunky rock.

    The BFL (120tpi) has slightly more self-steer on the same setup at 7-15psi.
    Never noticed s-s with the Nate (120tpi).
    The Vee Mission was terrible with massive self-steer and it was worse at the higher pressure. This was the 1800g thick rubber casing version.

    Casing width wise (bead to bead measured inside) the BFL was ~9mm greater than the Nate, with both the Mission and Floater ~3mm wider. Mounted on the Large Marge the BFL and Floater casings both measure 94mm. Profile for Floater, BFL and Nate were all "round" with the Mission a bit peaked.

    In hand, the Floater casing feels thinner and more supple than the BFL.

    I am wondering how rim width and frame geometry affect the self-steer. My current bike has ~70.5 HTA, 45mm fork offset, shortish TT, longish stem, and 65mm rim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    I got another ride on my Floater today (fat front bike, Large Marge rim). Sandy, ruts, chunky basalt rock.
    I started with 20psi. No self-steer. Very bouncy/harsh on the rocks.
    Dropped to 12psi. Still no self-steer. A bit better on the rock.
    Down to 7psi. Maybe a minor bit of self-steer at times. Good on the rocks. No squirm.
    Rolling resistance was never an issue. Surface was either sand (packed and loose) or chunky rock...................I am wondering how rim width and frame geometry affect the self-steer. My current bike has ~70.5 HTA, 45mm fork offset, shortish TT, longish stem, and 65mm rim.
    That makes sense to me. I haven't tried much lower pressures yet. I'm down to about 15psi and still okay with the Sterlings. Thanks for the feedback. I'm running a stock 2012 Ti Mukluk, Enabler fork with the 70mm Uma rims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    The BFL (120tpi) has slightly more self-steer on the same setup at 7-15psi.

    I am wondering how rim width and frame geometry affect the self-steer. My current bike has ~70.5 HTA, 45mm fork offset, shortish TT, longish stem, and 65mm rim.
    Hm. I have tried both Floater and BFL in as a front tire. I have a 20" Pugs, with Rolling Darryls.

    In short: as a front tire, the BFL works better for me: Floater begun self-steering (not bad, but noticeable) when I lowered the tire pressure below 9 psi, but with BFL I have not noticed ss at all. Also, BFL gives a softer ride, must be the larger air volume.

    Currently, I have BFL in the front and Floater in the rear, and I'm quite satisfied with the setup. The Floater seems to grip well enough, and rolls better than Nate (at least it feels like that. I think that basically everything rolls better than Nate ).

    Oh, and if I remember correctly, my Floater weighed in at 1520 g. Initially, it had a noticeable wobble to which I could do nothing, but after a few weeks, that problem vanished. Maybe the tire broke in? Anyway, as I probably have mentioned earlier, a good buy with that pricing

    One of these days I have to test how the Floater compares with a Knard in a 65 mm rim.

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    More riding on Floaters today. It was the standard lunch hour ride.
    It was wet, soft and generally hard work, but no snow. +/- compared to HuDu.
    The bike is a Sandman Hoggar with stock 47 mm rims. I had 9+ psi both front and rear.

    + A lot of traction, very little slipping.
    + Better side grip, confidence inspiring.
    + Better turning, less understeer, less wrestling.

    - Heavier, noticeable.
    - Slower rolling, noticeable
    - A little harsher riding.

    To sum it up I was back to working my butt off to keep up with the faster riders (on narrow wheels). With he HuDus I had no problems staying up front.

    I will keep them on since snow is coming and speed generally doesn't matter during winter. I expect them to be a lot better in snow and really difficult conditions. Come spring I will first change the rear. If that doesn't do it I will be back on two HuDus, if nothing even faster has turned up by then.

    As long as I ride by myself, the Floaters will be great.

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    I've got forty miles on my Floaters now. Yesterday was the first time I've had them on real singletrack and as you can see, there was approximately 4" of snow on top of the frozen dirt/leaf mixture. My Pugsley is SS and I was able to stand and power up some steeper climbs as the Floater dug in nicely. I was most impressed with the side grip. One trail I rode is no more than a foot path and it was off camber the entire way as it follows a ravine bank. The big side knobs provided lots of confidence inspiring traction. I'm 210 lbs. and I ran the front at 8psi on a Rolling Darryl and the rear at 12psi on a Marge Lite.

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    UPDATE #2;

    Bottom line from my last review; THESE TIRES WORK.

    UPDATE - Ummmm... Pretty well, most of the time. They do not work in heavy snow that well, I am finding. That is really no fault of the tire itself, within what I assume was its design brief. I still think they are the best ALL AROUND tire you can get, but for deep snow they definitely have their limits. I'm talking much past 4-5", and again, factoring in the tremendous variety of conditions that snow riding can present. This past weekend cold temps on some hard pack trail, and some on 8-10" of 2-day powder, they were not so great. To get enough grip to maintain forward movement, I had to air WAAAAY down, which brought moderate traction but a ton of rolling resistance.

    So, I have found the limits of these tires. In the summer, your HuDus will spank them a bit for roll and weight, if that matters. if it doesn't, scratch the HuDu from your list because it has longevity and price issues (120TPI). Add any significant soft terrain condition to the equation (mud, moderate snow), and the balance starts to tip toward the Floater. There is a VERY wide range from there until you get to more than 5" of snow. Beyond that, a Nate (and obviously from there Bud/Lou) will be far superior.

    Still the best tire if you can only have one. Not necessarily the best if you are trying to play at the margins.
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    Fair to say that the chances of loosing our bikes has just decreased a bit judging by the above NEON rubber
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Feelygood ! View Post
    Fair to say that the chances of loosing(sic) our bikes has just decreased a bit judging by the above NEON rubber
    Colored rubber usually increases the chance of "loosing" grip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    Colored rubber usually increases the chance of "loosing" grip.
    I suspected as much.
    I see hills.

    I want to climb them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailMaker View Post
    They do not work in heavy snow that well, I am finding. That is really no fault of the tire itself, within what I assume was its design brief. I still think they are the best ALL AROUND tire you can get, but for deep snow they definitely have their limits. I'm talking much past 4-5", and again, factoring in the tremendous variety of conditions that snow riding can present.
    I've been noticing the same thing, also a tendency to wash out in front in these conditions. Given the, as Trail maker says, tremendous variety of snow conditions, I was reluctant to blame the tires. But when I kept sliding all over the place, even downhill when I used to be able to count on the weight and momentum of the wheels to push/pull me through, I came to the conclusion it was the Floaters. Mounted a Nate up front and gained much more control over the front end. I think my problem is the "wedge" shaped profile of the Floater as mounted on my 70 mm umas. Tire does not want to hold a line when it meets resistance, but wants to deflect right or left. The more rounded Nate just blasts right through. Still running the Floater in the rear, but reversed now due to the traction issues noted by TM. Reversing seems to help some. I'll probably go back to floaters f/r for summer trail/beach riding. As good as anything else I've tried for this purpose.
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    If only they were in red....

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    Loving these tires in the snow on 100mm rims. Crept down a steep hill that I couldn't have walked down.
    70 Gripstuds and 70 1/2" screws with wide, flat heads in each. Those near-middle knobs are just barely thick enough for the Gripstuds-very tricky to install. Still not as rink-worthy as 300 tooth nokians, but lots of extra confidence on ice and hard-packed snow. Have ridden a few miles on pavement, too, and no studs lost or loosened, even the one that sticks out the side of the knob.
    I'm just wondering if the front has more grip than necessary, and if ramping the front of the knobs more would lessen the drag. ( Sharpen the front points of the side knobs more like a Larry and take the squarish corner off the front of the middle knobs like a Vee8.)

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    Had Larry 27 tpi on front and not bad but knobs too shallow for studs. (And too shallow for ultimate snow grip in all conditions, I think)
    Floaters front and back now and they do float. Riding wicked nasty bumpy footprint-holed ice the other night I kept thinking my tires felt like marshmallows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veloborealis View Post
    I've been noticing the same thing, also a tendency to wash out in front in these conditions. Given the, as Trail maker says, tremendous variety of snow conditions, I was reluctant to blame the tires. But when I kept sliding all over the place, even downhill when I used to be able to count on the weight and momentum of the wheels to push/pull me through, I came to the conclusion it was the Floaters. Mounted a Nate up front and gained much more control over the front end. I think my problem is the "wedge" shaped profile of the Floater as mounted on my 70 mm umas. Tire does not want to hold a line when it meets resistance, but wants to deflect right or left. The more rounded Nate just blasts right through. Still running the Floater in the rear, but reversed now due to the traction issues noted by TM. Reversing seems to help some. I'll probably go back to floaters f/r for summer trail/beach riding. As good as anything else I've tried for this purpose.
    Hey;

    Wanted to come back and second this astute observation by VB. I rode the Kroozer yesterday, shod with the Floaters. 4-5" of fresh powder over bare ground, or leftover ice that did not melt from the previous week's warm temps. VERY sketchy side grip, and not because of the ice. I took to riding just off the trail tread a lot of the time because the roots and rocks are less exposed there. The side slip was VERY prevalent, like riding in the rain on a skinny bike. I rode the Humvee today, shod with 27tpi Nates. Same snow conditions, same trails. SUPREME confidence compared to the Floaters in terms of side grip, and somewhat better forward bite as well. Night & day!

    I agree with Velo that in the rear it would be more manageable, but on the front it was terribly limiting and really shot my confidence and ability to attack off camber terrain. I STILL think they are the best all around tire out there, but they definitely have their limits in the snow.
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    I've been riding in the snow quite often over the last couple weeks on my Floater shod Pugsley. I've noticed with the Floaters that there doesn't seem to be any appreciable gain in traction once I get down below 8psi. What I have noticed with lower pressures is a seemingly exponential increase in rolling resistance and very noticeable self steer on harder surfaces. Anybody else have a similar experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slower_than_u View Post
    I've been riding in the snow quite often over the last couple weeks on my Floater shod Pugsley. I've noticed with the Floaters that there doesn't seem to be any appreciable gain in traction once I get down below 8psi. What I have noticed with lower pressures is a seemingly exponential increase in rolling resistance and very noticeable self steer on harder surfaces. Anybody else have a similar experience?
    Sounds similar to other reports of Vee-made tires.

    I have run the Floater on sand dunes at about 4 to 15 psi. Little difference in traction but definitely had better floatation at the low end.
    Any tire has the RR go way up and steers wonky when the pressure is too low.
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    has anyone heard any updates from on one on the new colored floater? nothing on their website yet.

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    I just placed my order for 2 Floaters. On-One has lots of them in stock.

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    Has anyone studded a floater yet? Wondering if the lugs are tall enough for the smallest grip studs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by veloborealis View Post
    Has anyone studded a floater yet? Wondering if the lugs are tall enough for the smallest grip studs?
    Yes, in post #130^^. I used the GST-1000 with a drill on slow speed, then realized much easier by hand. Depth was okay, only a little bump inside and no penetration, but I put tape inside anyway. The knobs are tall enough, but just barely wide enough. These studs are more like corkscrews than screws, tricky to keep them centered in the knob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dudeist View Post
    Yes, in post #130^^. I used the GST-1000 with a drill on slow speed, then realized much easier by hand. Depth was okay, only a little bump inside and no penetration, but I put tape inside anyway. The knobs are tall enough, but just barely wide enough. These studs are more like corkscrews than screws, tricky to keep them centered in the knob.
    Not sure how I missed that. Thanks. Were yours new? Mine have a few miles on them and are a little worn.
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    Yeah, mine were brand new. I put a little piece of Gorilla tape under each stud, just in case. Cutting and applying the tape took longer than installing the studs.

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    I just ordered a set of black floaters from the On-one website for $54.92 each with free shipping to the U.S. Can't beat that!

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    Rode mine in the dirt on sunday after a winter of snow- damn, they hook up.

    Still running my tire pressure higher than I did with Surly tires, but still not feeling the need to run my pressure any lower- the grip has been excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N8R View Post
    I just ordered a set of black floaters from the On-one website for $54.92 each with free shipping to the U.S. Can't beat that!
    Awesome! Thanks for the heads up. Just ordered two from the UK site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckfiddious View Post
    Rode mine in the dirt on sunday after a winter of snow- damn, they hook up.

    Still running my tire pressure higher than I did with Surly tires, but still not feeling the need to run my pressure any lower- the grip has been excellent.
    That's good to hear. I'm currently running kevlar Devast8tors ( 1600 g actual weight each). They work ok but they do lack in the traction department somewhat. I'm looking forward to switching to the Floaters. I just wish they would come out with a 4.8-5" Floater, that would be awesome! Doesn't seem likely though unless On-One comes out with a bike that is made to take 5" tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N8R View Post
    That's good to hear. I'm currently running kevlar Devast8tors ( 1600 g actual weight each). They work ok but they do lack in the traction department somewhat. I'm looking forward to switching to the Floaters. I just wish they would come out with a 4.8-5" Floater, that would be awesome! Doesn't seem likely though unless On-One comes out with a bike that is made to take 5" tires.
    THe good news is, on a Rolling Darryl rim they measure out at 4" even so the size on the sidewall is accurate for a change.

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    Just got my floaters today! Ordered on the 6, so only took 7 days to get to Utah from the UK. That's pretty fast. One weighs 1477 g and the other is only 1307 g, which is awesome for a $55 tire. I'm tempted to take a sander to the inside of the heavier one and remove a little rubber.

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    Went for a quick test ride, and I must say these tires are awesome. They seem to roll just as good as the origin8 devast8tors, but they handle a lot better, and have much better traction. They also have much less self steer and have me second guessing dropping the front rim down to an 80 mm. I think I'm going to stay with 100 mm rims with the floaters. Well done on the design Shiggy!

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    On One Floater Tire Review

    Just received two black Floaters in the post, weighing in at 1398 and 1414 g - appear to be quite good quality. Now gotta get on with building my wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N8R View Post
    Just got my floaters today! Ordered on the 6, so only took 7 days to get to Utah from the UK. That's pretty fast. One weighs 1477 g and the other is only 1307 g, which is awesome for a $55 tire. I'm tempted to take a sander to the inside of the heavier one and remove a little rubber.
    How are you guys getting free shipping? Looking to order a pair and they come up to $111 for the tires and $42 for shipping to US.

    Thanks!

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