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    In that case I'd go with Husky!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orkje View Post
    In that case I'd go with Husky!
    Immediately made me think of Mariella Frostrop

    But yep either work

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Straight steerer is compatible with our slackset for further geometry adjustment.
    That's a big plus for me. I prefer steeper HAs.

    Any chance of Trigger's Mother's bathroom blue as a colour choice? Love it on my Pompinos.
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    Is this only available as complete bike? Any chance of frame/ forks / rims being sold separate?
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    Bike only at the moment. Hopefully more to follow.

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    That's a pity. I like the bike, but not the spec for my needs anyway.
    Ok, sell me one of the proto's to build into 100mm dune crawler then. Problem solved

    OT, really liked your piece in singletrack this month Shaggy

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorman View Post
    That's a pity. I like the bike, but not the spec for my needs anyway.
    It was never going to please everyone, I think a lot of people will like it though. Hopefully a bit of a gateway-drug.

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    OT, really liked your piece in singletrack this month Shaggy
    Thanks, I had the photos so it was nice to get something in print.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exigetastic View Post
    So are On-One sticking with the dog breeds for their bikes? (Whippet, Lurcher)

    If so surely there can be only one name for this bike: the St. Bernard!
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    I was thinking Cujo.

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    Let's not forget about the good ol' Malamute...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaggyjohn View Post
    I was thinking Cujo.
    That's a bit more hard edged than Schnorbitz I guess

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    Direwolf? Just a thought...

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    Nah, it's got to be Mongrel.
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    The Malamute...Buck was a Malamute...
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    Quote Originally Posted by damnitman View Post
    The Malamute...Buck was a Malamute...
    Heck, I like "Buck"
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    What's this bike going to cost? Looks great

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    ...trade you for a frame...
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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    What's this bike going to cost? Looks great
    Still pushing for £1000/$1200 for the bike with 1x9 On-One and SRAM parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaggyjohn View Post
    Still pushing for £1000/$1200 for the bike with 1x9 On-One and SRAM parts.
    Do you have a tentative parts list, pictures, whatever..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orkje View Post
    Direwolf? Just a thought...
    No love for the Deadheads? Hah...I like Direwolf as well!

    Honestly...it reeks big attitude in a small package; Chihuahua?


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    nevermind
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    $1200? Where do I send my money?

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    seriously, how can I make sure I can order one when its time? I subscribed for offers on the website

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    I haven't got an update on the timescale. I will post on here when I do. Signing up for the website is probably the best plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaggyjohn View Post
    Still pushing for £1000/$1200 for the bike with 1x9 On-One and SRAM parts.
    This is really good value for a complete bike IMO.

    New fatback swinger dropout frame is $850 for example (£540)
    Then add shipping/customs to get it to UK then it becomes nearer $1000 (£660)

    As a fun play bike, I think it will be a hit.
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    Completely agree, £1000 would be fantastic value.

    Not sure if on-one will offer their normal tailoring options, and at that base price a few other upgrades may need to be selected (Fingers crossed a 2x9/10 would be viable so I could run 29s on it at some point)

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    could you fit clownshoes on this frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    could you fit clownshoes on this frame?
    Seems to enough room, although I haven't got any to try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    could you fit clownshoes on this frame?
    On One Fat Bike Frame
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    What frame sizes are being offered & how may units are being produced in this first batch?
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    16, 18, 20in. Only 500 in initial build.

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    Originally Posted by richulr
    could you fit clownshoes on this frame?
    Does it have a decent chain/tyre clearance with a 2x9 chainline? - and a decent chainline?

    Seems impossible so far unless a Surly MWOD crankset is used.
    Not meaning to be negative!, It is just so many folk post about this being possible on frames but it is obvious there is not the clearance for a full cassette, or like the Mukluk it rubs the tyre (even with a cog dropped and drive chain caked in mud) but no one is prepared to post decent pictures of chain clearance in 1st gear on a granny ring on all these claims, except on the Moonlander.
    Anything under half an inch clearance from tyre to chain is pretty much useless in UK mud conditions as we all know . Looks like something the Surly Krampus will not have it too but the hype seems to ignore this :rolleyes :...

    So what head angle are you guys going to go for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by coastkid71 View Post
    Does it have a decent chain/tyre clearance with a 2x9 chainline? - and a decent chainline?

    Seems impossible so far unless a Surly MWOD crankset is used.
    Not meaning to be negative!, It is just so many folk post about this being possible on frames but it is obvious there is not the clearance for a full cassette, or like the Mukluk it rubs the tyre (even with a cog dropped and drive chain caked in mud) but no one is prepared to post decent pictures of chain clearance in 1st gear on a granny ring on all these claims, except on the Moonlander.
    Anything under half an inch clearance from tyre to chain is pretty much useless in UK mud conditions as we all know . Looks like something the Surly Krampus will not have it too but the hype seems to ignore this :rolleyes :...

    So what head angle are you guys going to go for?
    1/2" of tire/chain clearance? A mtb with 2.3" tires has less than 3/8" (8mm) of clearance.

    In WEsTern Oregon muck I am happy to have 4-5mm of tire/chain clearance.

    With current hubs, a full width cassette and 100mm rims a decent chainline and good tire/chain clearance are mutually exclusive. The chainring will always need to be more outboard than ideal.
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    Half inch is 12mm, Moonlander has that easy on full 2x9 gearing...

    Head angle?

    Again no questions answered...
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    reading these threads got me thinking about getting a fatbike as a second bike. But this thread has cinched it.

    I'm ready to place an order when they're ready. Just hope I can get in on that 500.

    What size would be best for a guy 6'1" with around a 33 inch inseam? I have a 21" 2010 Hifi deluxe, but you seem to need to buy big to fit on those.

    I imagine the 20" would be my size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coastkid71 View Post
    Half inch is 12mm, Moonlander has that easy on full 2x9 gearing...

    Head angle?

    Again no questions answered...
    I have 8mm of clearance with 65mm rims and a Vee Mission tire. My Profile Racing crank has the rings a bit further inboard than an FSA triple with ISIS BB or a standard Mr Whirly.
    When I test fit the BFL on a 100mm rim the chain just skimmed the sidewall.
    Surly says the MWOD rings increase clearance by 7mm over the standard rings.

    I do not know what HTA Brant has speced for production. The prototype used 71*
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    Head angle isn't even half the story when it comes to steering geometry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Head angle isn't even half the story when it comes to steering geometry.
    There speaks a real expert.

    And when you use a telescopic fork, then there's big variations in the head angle anyway (as the suspension works).

    Now if On-One produced an adjustable fork, we could all experiment with steering geometry, just like with suspension. Just think, with 100 adjustment points, we could have 99 chances of getting it totally wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    1/2" of tire/chain clearance? A mtb with 2.3" tires has less than 3/8" (8mm) of clearance.

    In WEsTern Oregon muck I am happy to have 4-5mm of tire/chain clearance...
    I think you should try some British mud...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    I think you should try some British mud...
    There should be no such thing as "british mud".

    Just as Eskimos allegedly have many different words for snow, we should have many different words for mud.

    Though actually Eskimos don't have lots of different words for snow. Eskimo words for snow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    There speaks a real expert.

    And when you use a telescopic fork, then there's big variations in the head angle anyway (as the suspension works).

    Now if On-One produced an adjustable fork, we could all experiment with steering geometry, just like with suspension. Just think, with 100 adjustment points, we could have 99 chances of getting it totally wrong.
    Head angle is 68degs.
    Fork offset isn't 45mm

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    any pics of the different frame sizes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    There should be no such thing as "british mud"...
    You're right. I was being British because of the Olympics - I really meant ENGLISH mud. It appears to have clagginess and adhesive qualities I have never seen elsewhere (eg Africa, Australia) - or maybe it's special stuff that's trucked in specially for 24 hour races?

    On the other hand, Highland mud gets bottled and sold to car restorers as valve grinding paste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    You're right. I was being British because of the Olympics - I really meant ENGLISH mud. It appears to have clagginess and adhesive qualities I have never seen elsewhere (eg Africa, Australia) - or maybe it's special stuff that's trucked in specially for 24 hour races?

    On the other hand, Highland mud gets bottled and sold to car restorers as valve grinding paste.
    Even English mud is too vague. The mud around here is gritty and wet and doesn't really stick. Around England there are clay muds, sand muds, chalk muds. Many different sorts.

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    Gary Buckham is an expert on mud and silt and sand, he has a massive collection of test tubes full of stuff from all round the UK really he does!

    Here is East Lothian clay, after a half mile of old runway and still sticking!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    There speaks a real expert.

    And when you use a telescopic fork, then there's big variations in the head angle anyway (as the suspension works).

    Now if On-One produced an adjustable fork, we could all experiment with steering geometry, just like with suspension. Just think, with 100 adjustment points, we could have 99 chances of getting it totally wrong.
    Rim width and tread design seem to have a huge effect on fat bike steering in addition to the "normal" parameters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coastkid71 View Post
    Gary Buckham is an expert on mud and silt and sand, he has a massive collection of test tubes full of stuff from all round the UK really he does!

    Here is East Lothian clay, after a half mile of old runway and still sticking!



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    Been there. Sometimes it does not matter how much clearance you have or what equipment you are using. When you have clay stuck to the bottom of your shoes making you 4-5 inches taller all bets are off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Even English mud is too vague. The mud around here is gritty and wet and doesn't really stick. Around England there are clay muds, sand muds, chalk muds. Many different sorts.
    Yeah, you don't have to go to England for sticky mud. (From Trans Iowa)
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    Effective toptube length on the 20in frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Even English mud is too vague. The mud around here is gritty and wet and doesn't really stick. Around England there are clay muds, sand muds, chalk muds. Many different sorts.
    In Oregon the mud can be very different on opposite sides of the same canyon.
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    we like to add fine gravel to the clay around here in Wisconsin
    it is really good at cutting through carbon fiber chain stays

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    If On One wants to stay with the dog theme, I suggest naming it after the greatest British Bulldog of all, Matilda!

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    I they're going to leave the dog theme:

    this is bike is ugly, tough, and it means business. How bout naming it after English bare-knuckle legend Lenny McLean? Could call it "Lenny", or better yet, "The Guv'nor."

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    any info on the final wheel specs? I know you guys are using your own hubs and wheels.

    How wide are they going to be? Any chance they are pre-drilled?

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    72mm undrilled rims on the base production bike.
    Drilling at OE isn't cheap and those enthusiasts that want to save the weight can easily do it themselves.

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    Is it possible to drill out a rim that is already built up into a wheel? If not, you'd have to add £80 for wheel building

    Enthusiasts ? Surely the definition of fat bike owners!! Undrilled rims??? So 4 years ago

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    Oh dear...this bike has made me want another bike and to keep up my tradition of getting On One (Il-pompino) / Planet X (Carbon SL) on the cycle to work scheme .
    What exactly is a rigid hard tail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futon River Crossing View Post
    Is it possible to drill out a rim that is already built up into a wheel? If not, you'd have to add £80 for wheel building

    Enthusiasts ? Surely the definition of fat bike owners!! Undrilled rims??? So 4 years ago
    Yes you can drill out built rims

    Here is what I did :-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart B View Post
    Oh dear...this bike has made me want another bike and to keep up my tradition of getting On One (Il-pompino) / Planet X (Carbon SL) on the cycle to work scheme .
    +1

    Until I went on to fatbikes, I looked like an On-One addict. I like Brant's thinking on frame design, and I like On-One's price/performance ratio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    +1

    Until I went on to fatbikes, I looked like an On-One addict. I like Brant's thinking on frame design, and I like On-One's price/performance ratio.
    Shiggy's frame design. Mine and Shaggy's geometry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart B View Post
    Oh dear...this bike has made me want another bike and to keep up my tradition of getting On One (Il-pompino) / Planet X (Carbon SL) on the cycle to work scheme .
    Join the club

    My cycle to work scheme Whippet will have been with me 1 yr at the end of the month, time for something new! Even better the On-One's £1k target price should mean I can squeek in under our company limit

    Like a fair few on here just waiting to be able to put a pre-order in. I guess we are still waiting on the On-One branded tyres?

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    I have the money, I have the drill if needed, but then will these be available ?
    The fork is quit ugly, but i can live with that.

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    Even with out cycle to work On ones and Planet X's are amazing value and very good bikes. Yeah I think mine is £1000 limit too.

    Any clues on dates yet?
    What exactly is a rigid hard tail?

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    Tapered head tube. 1 1/8 fork. Great if you want to use an Angleset (as I am). Scope for future fork development as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    72mm undrilled rims on the base production bike.
    Drilling at OE isn't cheap and those enthusiasts that want to save the weight can easily do it themselves.
    What's the thinking behind the 72mm rims. Seems everyone is going as fat as possible. How come you guys are going skinnier?

    just curious

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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    What's the thinking behind the 72mm rims. Seems everyone is going as fat as possible. How come you guys are going skinnier?

    just curious
    I'm guessing (hopefully an on-one insider can correct me) but so they'll be "matched" to the new on-one tyres to give the right profile.


    www shedfire com / 2012/03/07/on-one-snow-tyre-wooden-tread-sample
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    Pugsley OEM = 65mm rim with 3.8" tyre
    On-one OEM = 72mm rim with 4.0" tyre

    My understanding is this bike won't be about floatation, more general trails riding, so I can see why they kept the rim width down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exigetastic View Post
    I'm guessing (hopefully an on-one insider can correct me) but so they'll be "matched" to the new on-one tyres to give the right profile.

    www shedfire com / 2012/03/07/on-one-snow-tyre-wooden-tread-sample

    Pugsley OEM = 65mm rim with 3.8" tyre
    On-one OEM = 72mm rim with 4.0" tyre

    My understanding is this bike won't be about floatation, more general trails riding, so I can see why they kept the rim width down.
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    72mm rims sound spot on to me for trail riding.

    I have 80mm rims & I would not want to go any wider for this bikes design brief - fat, fun trail riding.
    Wider rims are about floatation on soft surfaces, this is not what this bikes want to do. It is a 1x9 playbike for tooling around in the woods or rock crawling.

    Before I forget, will the tyres be on sale soon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    what he said


    Oh man this bike is going to be so good! 28.5lbs before drilling?! Sweet. Having a fatbike without the weight associated with it, at this price point, will open up a whole new demographic. Well done dudes.

    Brant, any clue when the order bank will open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcaz View Post
    Oh man this bike is going to be so good! 28.5lbs before drilling?!
    It won't come in at that weight as stock. I don't know the final spec. but it'll be a few pounds more than that. That's not to say it's a slouch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorman View Post
    72mm rims sound spot on to me for trail riding.

    I have 80mm rims & I would not want to go any wider for this bikes design brief - fat, fun trail riding.
    Wider rims are about floatation on soft surfaces,
    What I hear people say is that wider rims do have a serious drawback for trail riding. When you have rocks and other hard objects, a wiiiiide rim is way more likely to be damaged.

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime View Post
    What I hear people say is that wider rims do have a serious drawback for trail riding. When you have rocks and other hard objects, a wiiiiide rim is way more likely to be damaged.
    That rather depends on the tyre dimensions.

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    wait, are you saying that even though the rims are skinnier, the tires are going to be 4 inches?

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    a bit fatter than the necro pug and mukluk?

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    Anything showing up at Interbike this year regarding this bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devine Intervention View Post
    Anything showing up at Interbike this year regarding this bike?
    interbike is a trade show, and as we're a direct sales operation there's no point in us going really.

    so no.

    it's all in progress and we're hoping to get stuff arriving for builds very soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    .... we're hoping to get stuff arriving for builds very soon.
    Cool, 'cos I'm hoping to buy one very soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by druidh View Post
    That rather depends on the tyre dimensions.

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    In the Fat Bike context, a 100 mm rim is pretty wide. A 3.8" tyre is about the same.

    Sent from my HP desktop using Internet Exploder 8.

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    you know, orange is an awesome color



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    everything looks awesome


    I do hope "Floater" is just what you're calling it until you reveal the real name

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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    everything looks awesome


    I do hope "Floater" is just what you're calling it until you reveal the real name
    If they're calling it that then it needs to be available in brown only.

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    The tyre is going to be called the Floater. Bike name is still TBC.

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    Thats good news. I thought the bike might be the "Floater" because I saw a picture with a big "Floater" on the seat tube. Also one of the blogs referred to it as the new "Floater" bike. Really glad its not going to be called that.

    Here's a question: a lot of people are asking how wide of tires the frame can handle, but how wide of a tire can the On One rim handle?

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    What exactly is a rigid hard tail?

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    Prices

    Guys, please can you keep this just a smidge under the magic £1k cycle to work scheme mark.... you'll have my order straight out if you can!

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    What weight &TPI will the tyre be?
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    125tpi
    Weight tbc

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    Carrot on a stick, meet horse. Horse, meet carrot on a stick. Nothing personal, but this has been going on for over a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Carrot on a stick, meet horse. Horse, meet carrot on a stick. Nothing personal, but this has been going on for over a year.
    Don't care!

    On-one has good credibility in its market, and they are good at keeping us informed of exactly where a product is at. I'm interested and so obviously are a few others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    125tpi
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    Do you have any idea as to when the tire will be available by itself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Carrot on a stick, meet horse. Horse, meet carrot on a stick. Nothing personal, but this has been going on for over a year.
    What's your point?

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    If it only took a year from concept, to final product on the market. I'd be real fecking impressed.

    Just cuz Surly, Salsa et al, did-nt post up info right from the conception of their bikes. Doesnt mean they got them on the market any quicker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallfurry View Post
    If it only took a year from concept, to final product on the market. I'd be real fecking impressed.

    Just cuz Surly, Salsa et al, did-nt post up info right from the conception of their bikes. Doesnt mean they got them on the market any quicker.
    Exactly. I saw a BFL a full year before they became available on the market. Surly and Salsa both are no faster bringing stuff to market than anyone else. They just don't let on at the beginning of the project what it is they are working on like On One has with this project.
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    Wasnt meant to be a knock on Surly BTW. I love those folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallfurry View Post
    Wasnt meant to be a knock on Surly BTW. I love those folks.

    I didn't think it was a knock on them, for the record, and I agree- I like 'em too.
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    Mo tyres ! Nicely done
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    This bike needs to be in my garage, ASAP! I can hardly wait!

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    Sad news if true.

    In Finnish cycling forum somebody said, that someone from On One has couple of weeks ago told him, that the bike will hardly be available this year and the price will about 1400 £.

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