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    i almost envision a fat trials bike!! especially with the "rock crawler" tag.

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    My intent was always for a all-round fat tire bike rather than a snow/sand specific model. Made my first notes about it last October and did a quick pitch for it in November when I was in the UK.

    I have an area near me with sand and lava/basalt rock. The rock outcroppings are just begging to be ridden. Should be a blast on fat tires @ 5 psi.

    Head tube is 44mm, for the size to fit the DT and use the Vertigo Cycles headset setup (supported by Cane Creek) to use straight or tapered steerer forks.

    The component buid spec is the same as the Salsa Mukluk. 170 rear, 135 front (w/rear disc spec), 100mm BB shell, and a similar A-C fork. You could easily mount a 29er sussy fork or long travel 26" fork and use a standard wheel. And Brant can spec a longer fork for his slacker frame angles.

    I also speced it with Swapouts, though I may have forgot to check caliper clearance with the SS version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    I see that as well. An attempt at shorter chain stays, I presume.

    EDIT: I see further up now where Brant said the chain stays are 445mm/17.52". Not all that short after all! But then again, for soft stuff, short stays seem to not be wanted.

    I like Shiggy's suggestion that this is a "Rock Crawler", by the way.
    It is short for a fat tire frame that can still use a 3x9 drivetrain. I curved the ST mostly to keep a reasonable gap for snow and still use a front derailleur. If straight, there would be only about 1cm between tire and seat tube. Should be around 2cm as is.
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    When can we buy one please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey View Post
    I like the appearance of the toptube....but what I like even more than that is the possibility of greater framebag volume due to the wider "toptube".
    This is a low TT, so the total volume will likely be less than most current frames. I think under the twin TT will be great place to strap a spare inner tube.
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    Awesome Shiggy!!!! Thanks for bringing this idea and design to us, I'll have one for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuey View Post
    When can we buy one please.
    Yes, and how much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    As long as there isn't any huge changes, I just found my next project! This is exactly what I was looking for and has just saved me a lot of time debating some things, thanks guys!!

    I'd be in favor of a slacker HT angle too.
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    This frame kind of reminds me of the old "beer can" Cdale bikes back in the 80's.

    Also is there not going to be any rear brakes, I do not see any disc tabs or is it the angle of the picture? A coaster?

    Modular dropouts for SS or gears?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottybinwv View Post
    This frame kind of reminds me of the old "beer can" Cdale bikes back in the 80's.

    Also is there not going to be any rear brakes, I do not see any tabs? Or maybe a coaster?
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    more like this


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    At least I now understand Shiggy's reply to one of my posts about a month ago...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    At least I now understand Shiggy's reply to one of my posts about a month ago...

    Mixte frame, oh yes!
    LOL!

    All it needs is a longer seat tube and "upper" seat stays!
    But why do that when we have long large diameter seat posts.
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    Please tell me there is gonna be a version for the stubby-legged folks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    My intent was always for a all-round fat tire bike rather than a snow/sand specific model. Made my first notes about it last October and did a quick pitch for it in November when I was in the UK.

    I have an area near me with sand and lava/basalt rock. The rock outcroppings are just begging to be ridden. Should be a blast on fat tires @ 5 psi.

    Head tube is 44mm, for the size to fit the DT and use the Vertigo Cycles headset setup (supported by Cane Creek) to use straight or tapered steerer forks.

    The component buid spec is the same as the Salsa Mukluk. 170 rear, 135 front (w/rear disc spec), 100mm BB shell, and a similar A-C fork. You could easily mount a 29er sussy fork or long travel 26" fork and use a standard wheel. And Brant can spec a longer fork for his slacker frame angles.

    I also speced it with Swapouts, though I may have forgot to check caliper clearance with the SS version.
    Awesome Shiggy! Maybe with a slight head tube angle massage by Brant this will be the bees knees for all-around fat biking. I am stoked to see how it all shakes out.

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    Looking good and like the idea of a more all around fat bike.

    Looking forward to seeing what your build up choices are.

    Keep us posted with your progress; any plans for using any
    of the new tires comming up?

    Always great to see individualty of design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
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    I should take pictures of mine and post some up. Just acquired four bikes from my father’s storage space on Wednesday— a 1982 Cannondale (same one as pictured—26" in front, 24" in rear), Trek T100 tandem cross bike (less than 5 miles on it), a 1979 Murray cruiser (made not in Taiwan but Tennessee), and a 1982 or 1983 DeFelice recumbent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    1982 Cannondale (same one as pictured—26" in front, 24" in rear)
    Cannondale didn't make bikes at all until 1983, and didn't make mountain bikes until 1984. If your bike has the Weinmann/Shimano brake combination, it's an '84, as they switched to Suntour roller cams in '85.

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    couple newkie browns and some magners should help me with the wait...
    SO, ummm... that there flame front squishie fork'll fit riiiight?
    If steel is real then aluminium is supercallafragiliniun!

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    Are the drop outs vertical?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kypa View Post
    Are the drop outs vertical?
    Currently spec'ed with On One's "Swap Outs" which are modular, replaceable drop outs that come in single speed, track end style or vertical drop out style, if I recall correctly.

    Shiggy states earlier in this thread that the drop outs are the replaceable "Swap Out" style. This could change before final production.

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    Looks like the bent ST could get your fanny weight back over the Rr. tire... kind of like shorter CS's do. Give me a little slacker HT and I'm in!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy FitzGibbon View Post
    Cannondale didn't make bikes at all until 1983, and didn't make mountain bikes until 1984. If your bike has the Weinmann/Shimano brake combination, it's an '84, as they switched to Suntour roller cams in '85.
    I stand corrected then. Many years and several beers later, I am just going from memory. I still need to have a thorough once-through with the bike—cleaning it up, adjusting things, etc., and then I will have a definitive answer which model year it is. So far I have the other three less exciting bikes cleaned up and in fine running order, hope to get to the Cannondale this week, and then I’ll have a picture of it to share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ward View Post
    Looks like the bent ST could get your fanny weight back over the Rr. tire... kind of like shorter CS's do. Give me a little slacker HT and I'm in!!
    The effective STA at my saddle height is ~73 degrees or a bit steeper. Of course the higher you go the slacker the ESTA is.

    Ward, what is the HTA on your custom?
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