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    Quote Originally Posted by CJones View Post
    There are reports on the Niner forum that the ROS9 Plus just started showing up and they are spec'd with Stan's Hugo wheels.
    Correct :-) we have two on order down here in Australia & they're expected to arrive before the end of November (possibly earlier). The complete bikes including the Hugo's started shipping a few days ago & should arrive on our shores this week. Waiting impatiently .....................
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    FWIW, I just received a box of Hugo's in 26, 650b, and 29".

    Cool rims. Looking forward to seeing what they bring to the mid-fat experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    FWIW, I just received a box of Hugo's in 26, 650b, and 29".

    Cool rims. Looking forward to seeing what they bring to the mid-fat experience.
    Well, that's a nice surprise. Got any +size tires to go with the 27.5s?

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    Hey mikesee. Can you give us a measurement of the width of some of your 29+ tires on the Hugo's when you have a chance. I want to make sure they will fit in my fork before I order them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Well, that's a nice surprise. Got any +size tires to go with the 27.5s?
    Not yet.

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    I'd love to, but I have no plans to lace these for myself. Just not enough to go around at the moment, and it's fatbike season here. Come spring when I have lots more Hugo's on the shelf, and the season is ripe, I'd love to help.

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    I wonder if they're going to do these in white like the rest of their mountain rims at some point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1strongone1 View Post
    29+ in early October, followed by 26 and 27.5+ in late October. Just got off the phone with Stans.
    Just got an email saying Jan 15 for 29+ Hugos rim only...

    (Wonder if anyone I can buy a 29 Hugo rim from is in the same boat as Mikesee??)
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    mikesee what do you think of the rims?

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    What's the latest with the 29er tire selection in the 2.7" range?

    I've been out of the loop on this end to mtb lately, so forgive me if this has been covered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    What's the latest with the 29er tire selection in the 2.7" range?

    I've been out of the loop on this end to mtb lately, so forgive me if this has been covered.
    Here: http://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/29...es-900173.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcufari View Post
    mikesee what do you think of the rims?
    I think the folks at NoTubes are smoking cheese if they think a 52mm rim with a fancy looking bead interface is going to somehow take the place of a much wider rim. Initial interviews, press releases, and website blurbs seemed to indicate that that was, indeed, what they were thinking.

    Other than that? Nice rims. If I needed a 52mm rim for a specific project or purpose these'd be at the top of my list.

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    To me it appears if they were/are anticipating a large release of 29+ bikes and tires. But I really don't see 29+ gaining much steam for a few years, much like fat bikes have.

    IMHO they done phucked up by releasing 29+ before 26" 80(ish)mm rims.

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    [QUOTE=mikesee;11584590Other than that? Nice rims. If I needed a 52mm rim for a specific project or purpose these'd be at the top of my list.[/QUOTE]

    What would be the best purpose/usage for these rims, in your experience?

    Seems like it could be a sweet width both for 27.5+ and 29+.

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    I have a set of 29's laced up to one Hope hub, and one Dynamo hub. I am using the Surly Knard tires for now. On my ECR, I ran the front at 10 psi, but bottomed out the tire on the rim several times while riding Broken Arrow in Sedona. I put a few strokes of the hand pump in and made it back to Bike and Bean without it happening again. The rear was at 15 psi all day with no issues. The Knards were very hard to get seated. I had to use stans in the tire, compressor, and lots of soapy water to get them to mount. Each one took about 2-3 minutes on the compressor to catch and inflate. Maybe the Chronicles will go a little easier. FWIW, Light-Bicycle.com sent me an email this morning. They are taking pre orders for their carbon 50mm rims. 500g, $210 each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    FWIW, I just received a box of Hugo's in 26, 650b, and 29".
    Would you please post a measured ERD for the 650b size?

    Also, how do you account for the alternating, offset spokes when you calculate spoke length?
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Notubes Hugo 52mm Rim

    Quote Originally Posted by cseistrup View Post
    I have a set of 29's laced up to one Hope hub, and one Dynamo hub. I am using the Surly Knard tires for now.
    Hi cseistrup. Can you do me a favour and measure the width of the knard on the hugo? I am keen on these wheels but want to know they will fit before ordering. Bummer about the setup difficulty given the claims about their design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusty_ss View Post
    Bummer about the setup difficulty given the claims about their design.
    Maybe it is more of a tire issue than a rim issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Maybe it is more of a tire issue than a rim issue?
    Hopefully so.

    Also I find it interesting that Stans or no one else has mentioned that you need special valves for these rims. The standard presta tubeless valves will not work as the valve hole is too big. Stans is using a Schrader type tubeless valve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winkster View Post
    Hopefully so.

    Also I find it interesting that Stans or no one else has mentioned that you need special valves for these rims. The standard presta tubeless valves will not work as the valve hole is too big. Stans is using a Schrader type tubeless valve.
    If that's the case that is bad news- Have a Lezyne large volume floor pump with an aftermarket dedicated presta head.

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    Couldn't a schrader to presta adapter be used on the valve stem?
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by winkster View Post
    Hopefully so.

    Also I find it interesting that Stans or no one else has mentioned that you need special valves for these rims. The standard presta tubeless valves will not work as the valve hole is too big. Stans is using a Schrader type tubeless valve.
    Finally! I find this to be great news.

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    Those things work well? Dont know anyone who uses them. That's a Lot of leverage to put on the base of the schrader.

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    The presta valve stays in plays on tubeless with a threaded nut. What keeps the schrader valve in place? Is it metal and threaded like a presta valve, or is it some press-fit design?
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    I didn't like the Schrader valve on the Hugo so I changed it to an American Classic Presta valve with some adapters we dug up, QBP has them.
    I put Chronicles on last night and I've never had a tire set up tubeless so easy. I used a compressor with the valve core installed and it beaded up in no time and didn't leak...anywhere, right off the bat. I had a Knard and a 2.35 Ikon (2.7 on the Hugo) on previously and they were almost as easy

    Here's a Knard and Hugo, the Maxxis still fits my 2012 Fox Fork
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    Quote Originally Posted by santacruzer View Post
    I put Chronicles on last night and I've never had a tire set up tubeless so easy. I used a compressor with the valve core installed and it beaded up in no time and didn't leak...anywhere, right off the bat. I had a Knard and a 2.35 Ikon (2.7 on the Hugo) on previously and they were almost as easy]
    How did the Ikon look on the Hugo? Don't they recommend tires 2.5" and wider for that rim? I ask because I am building up a 29+ rig and was looking at the Hugo's, but I'd also like to be able to run normal 29" tires as well on the same wheels/bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coloradoxj13 View Post
    How did the Ikon look on the Hugo? Don't they recommend tires 2.5" and wider for that rim? I ask because I am building up a 29+ rig and was looking at the Hugo's, but I'd also like to be able to run normal 29" tires as well on the same wheels/bike.
    The Ikon 2.4 is a very large 2.4. It measured 2.7-something on a 50mm rim. It shouldn't be a problem.
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    [QUOTE=santacruzer;11598863]I didn't like the Schrader valve on the Hugo so I changed it to an American Classic Presta valve with some adapters we dug up, QBP has them.
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    That's the valve solution I'll use. Great. Ikon 2.35 measures at 2.7 on the Hugo? Really?

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    Here's a pic of the Ikon on the Hugo, I put it on until I got my hands on some Chronical's. I did a 64 mile ride on the Ikon and it had great traction but seemed to roll a little slow, I think it was a little too wide on the Hugo and there were too many knobs touching the ground
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    Good to hear Stans is going with Schrader valves, with a threaded base ring I assume like my 909s. Take the core out and your compressor or floor pump will seat any tire. Curious why you switched back to presta?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbiker74 View Post
    Good to hear Stans is going with Schrader valves, with a threaded base ring I assume like my 909s. Take the core out and your compressor or floor pump will seat any tire. Curious why you switched back to presta?
    Every bike I have is Presta, my pumps are Presta and to top it off the round lock nut on the Schrader broke when I was tightening it.
    When I mounted the Chronicle on the Hugo they were sucked down like they were in a vacuum (before I put any air in), I think I could seat them with a minipump. It seriously took about five seconds with a compressor with the presta

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    Would you please post a measured ERD for the 650b size?

    Also, how do you account for the alternating, offset spokes when you calculate spoke length?
    A bump for this question (and a bit more)

    What ERD (for 29) and spoke bed offset have people been using?

    Many thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_eleven View Post
    What would be the best purpose/usage for these rims, in your experience?

    Seems like it could be a sweet width both for 27.5+ and 29+.
    Summer/hardpack use for 3.8" tires.

    I prefer ~35-40mm rims for 29+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Summer/hardpack use for 3.8" tires.

    I prefer ~35-40mm rims for 29+.
    35-40mm internal width?
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    35-40mm internal width?
    30-35 internal.

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    Thanks. That agrees with what I've read on Twentynineinches.com
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    30-35 internal.
    So you recommend the Derby rims for 29+ builds? Are there any other rims that fit that range on the market right now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coloradoxj13 View Post
    So you recommend the Derby rims for 29+ builds? Are there any other rims that fit that range on the market right now?
    I like Derby's a lot for 29+. That's what I'm running on mine.

    Nextie, Light-Bicycle, and all the other less-known chinese carbon guys are making 30, 35, 40, and 50mm carbon rims these days. Plus the Velocity Blunt 35's if you're OK with aluminum and a chunk of money saved over carbon.

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    Mike what do you think is the optimum internal width for 29er tires in the 2.3-2.5" width if someone is looking for taking a bite out of riding rigid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by worldskipper View Post
    Mike what do you think is the optimum internal width for 29er tires in the 2.3-2.5" width if someone is looking for taking a bite out of riding rigid?
    So many variables. Which tires, ridden where, by whom, on what kind of trails, with what riding style, on which frame, which fork, etc...

    I think carbon rims (except for ENVE) smooth a lot of the buzz that rigid transmits. If I were riding rigid in my backyard, I'd want a TLR tire (like a Maxxis Ardent or HRII or DHF) on a 30mm internal carbon rim, run at ~16 or 17psi. And I'd start saving my pennies for a nice squishy fork...

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    Thanks! I've got a p35 back there now, but it's a heavy beast and I'm torn between the derby, nextie 40mm, dually and hugo...

    A squishy fork will have to come with a new bike, I've got a nice squishy fatty on the front of my Jones (which will eventually get a carbon fat rim), right now it's my tailbone that I'm more interested in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Summer/hardpack use for 3.8" tires.

    I prefer ~35-40mm rims for 29+.
    Could you share which rims in this width, you have been happy with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_eleven View Post
    Could you share which rims in this width, you have been happy with?
    All of the above have been good. Just depends on how much you want to spend, and what your expectations are.

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    Thanks for the pic!

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    Possible durability issue of these rims with the flatter profile. I believe the flatter profile makes them easier to bend from rock strikes and such. A pic form a buddy of mine on his fat bike from a Sedona ride. He generally runs 8-9 psi in his tires.

    Notubes Hugo 52mm Rim-temp.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by winkster View Post
    Possible durability issue of these rims with the flatter profile. I believe the flatter profile makes them easier to bend from rock strikes and such. A pic form a buddy of mine on his fat bike from a Sedona ride. He generally runs 8-9 psi in his tires.

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    Thanks for posting this, as I have been wondering the exact same thing myself.

    The Dually and the WTB Scraper i45 are constructed more like a traditional rim and I think they'll be better for B+/29+ trail use.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    looking for feedback....


    considering either converting the rabbit hole rims on my krampus to split tube tubeless or going with a new wheelset. looking to drop some weight off the bike and give SS a try. Would the Hugo be worth the expense? seems like i might be able to lose about 2 lbs vs the RH set up tubeless?

    also considering the Jungle fox rims from nextie but am weary of running carbon rims on our rocky texas hill country trails.

    any help is appreciated!

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    Looks like Hugo and Helga are not playing nice together. I will presume he was tubeless. I am curious if a short sidewall is more vulnerable. I have destroyed at least 5 or six fat rims, not fun.

    Quote Originally Posted by winkster View Post
    Possible durability issue of these rims with the flatter profile. I believe the flatter profile makes them easier to bend from rock strikes and such. A pic form a buddy of mine on his fat bike from a Sedona ride. He generally runs 8-9 psi in his tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoo View Post
    Looks like Hugo and Helga are not playing nice together. I will presume he was tubeless. I am curious if a short sidewall is more vulnerable. I have destroyed at least 5 or six fat rims, not fun.
    Why someone would choose to run fat tires at ~8psi on Sedona-esque trails is beyond me. That's virtually begging for dented rims.

    Stop the insanity, please. Fat tires are awesome, and they have a place (several, actually), but desert hardpack and rock are emphatically not it.

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