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    Nextie-Bike carbon rims

    I love the way they did those black rims!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfiler View Post
    I ordered a 32H matte UD pair on March 20th and just received a shipment tracking number today.
    Me too on the tracking number. Need to do some spoke ordering again !!!
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    Got my replacement set this morning.

    Once bitten on the first set, I decided not to lace these until I knew they'd go tubeless. One wrap of tape over the spoke holes, pressed it in with my thumbs, then installed a used Lou. Aired up easily with a floor pump. I can get it to 10psi before air is leaking out past the bead, which *should* mean that a splash of sealant in there will close the gaps.

    Confident enough in them that I'll unlace my Clownshoes next week and lace these back in there.

    665g and 680g for this set.

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    Sounds good Mike ! Does the bead channel look shallower than it was previously ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Got my replacement set this morning.

    Once bitten on the first set, I decided not to lace these until I knew they'd go tubeless. One wrap of tape over the spoke holes, pressed it in with my thumbs, then installed a used Lou. Aired up easily with a floor pump. I can get it to 10psi before air is leaking out past the bead, which *should* mean that a splash of sealant in there will close the gaps.

    Confident enough in them that I'll unlace my Clownshoes next week and lace these back in there.

    665g and 680g for this set.
    ^^ I wish I didn't read this.
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    Only had time to lace the front today.


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    Pulled a new Bud out of a box, unfolded it, slipped it onto the rim, splashed some Stans in there, and pumped it up with a floor pump. No snaps for the bead--it just kind of slips quietly into place. I like that.

    For grins and wiggles I let it sit for ~half an hour then aired it down and tried to break the bead loose. Simply could not do it with fingers only. Laid the rim on it's side and *stood* on the bead. Had to put a lot of pressure onto one foot to get it to pop loose.

    And after all that you can install and remove the tire with fingers/without levers, easily.

    Methinks this is the way tubeless and fat were meant to be.

    This wheel is 1060g with tape and valve. Though honestly I don't give a rip--I chose this rim because of it's deep (snow shedding) section. You can have the lightest wheels on the planet but if the rim doesn't shed snow you're carrying pounds of extra mass.

    Not exactly looking forward to winter per se. But then, on another level, I kinda am...

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    Nice work... there will be buds on my new set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Sounds good Mike ! Does the bead channel look shallower than it was previously ?
    Yes.

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    Cheers, makes sense. The little "trough" that the tyre bead popped into just needed to be brought up a bee's dick (official Aussie unit of measurement)

    Probaby easier said than done but at least Nextie sorted the issue quick smart and has shown awesome customer service.

    Stiffest wheels I have ever built too, building these new one's with Aerolites as they will be keepers.... hate paying for Aerolites though

    I will definitely be using Nextie for my next carbon wheels which will probably be CX tubs... LB's popularity with the regular AM/29er rims crowd has blown order times out.
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    I spy some new ti... Bluto'd up... Is this the frame from NAHBS? ... I'm sure it will pop up in a different thread.....

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    The snow shedding comment from the master must go a long way to credit these rims for snowies !!!

    The centrifugal force from spin can do nothing but shed whatever has tried to gather on these rims.
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    Posted by Nextie; dated 5/17/2014

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    Bill you made Ebay!!

    Carbon Fiber Fat Bike Rims 90mm Width Tubeless Ready Double Wall Light Weight | eBay

    Edit: I tried to buy it but it was actually Brian from Nextie's and and wouldn't sell it. He said something about being some crazy guy's bike from Australia

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    If I had known that pic was going to get around, I would have cleaned the bike first
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    I see somebody else has went yellow, the new ones from fakebook are gloss clear coated, mine are matt finish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post

    Only had time to lace the front today.


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    Pulled a new Bud out of a box, unfolded it, slipped it onto the rim, splashed some Stans in there, and pumped it up with a floor pump. No snaps for the bead--it just kind of slips quietly into place. I like that.

    For grins and wiggles I let it sit for ~half an hour then aired it down and tried to break the bead loose. Simply could not do it with fingers only. Laid the rim on it's side and *stood* on the bead. Had to put a lot of pressure onto one foot to get it to pop loose.

    And after all that you can install and remove the tire with fingers/without levers, easily.

    Methinks this is the way tubeless and fat were meant to be.

    This wheel is 1060g with tape and valve. Though honestly I don't give a rip--I chose this rim because of it's deep (snow shedding) section. You can have the lightest wheels on the planet but if the rim doesn't shed snow you're carrying pounds of extra mass.

    Not exactly looking forward to winter per se. But then, on another level, I kinda am...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logantri View Post
    That bike have a back half?
    Yup. Pretty too.

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    What tape are we all using for the middle strip to cover the spoke holes ?

    I used 48mm 8898 packing tape, 1 overlapped wrap right round with the join being in the middle of 2 spoke holes. Cleaned with Glue & Tar remover solvent before sticking on and then used a heatgun and made sure it was smooth as a baby's bum with no air pockets or wrinkles.
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    arrg those look so sweet. black glossy goodness.

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    That is hands down the most badd ass mountain bike wheel I have ever seen, regardless of its intent. Just looks so MEAN.
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    My matte UD pair arrived today. The box was humorourously light for the size. Each rim was wrapped in a thin foam bag that was fastened shut.

    They look good but aren't perfect. The ends of the carbon sheets are visible. The construction and drilling look quite precise though. Sidewall and bead seem uniform.

    Both rims rattled when moved. There were two small remnant pieces from the molding process stuck inside. It took twenty minutes to get those pieces to come to rest on the valve hole and grab them with the world's smallest needle nose pliers. I'll post some pictures later.

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    Hello,
    I'm thinking on the red ones for my fatboy. But what are the best hubs ? 190mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by RUSOR View Post
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    I'm thinking on the red ones for my fatboy. But what are the best hubs ? 190mm

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    "Best" is subjective, but I just laced up a 190mm rear and 135mm front Industry Nine Torch hub. They are nice hubs and are generally considered a quality product.

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    Best... blingiest... most expensive ? Probably.

    Tune make beautiful looking hubs with 10 out of 10 for bling ! ~100g saving per end over a set of Hopes for a decent price hike.

    Tune 130g/240g - approx $800 a set (bike24)

    Hope 250g/340g - $340 a set

    I would go the Hopes... as I already do, then spend a bit more on tubeless carbon rims and Aero spokes. Unless you are really cashed into 1 set of wheels then go the whole hog !

    No point going superlite hubs and then losing the 200g saving on heavy tyres, rims strips, spokes and tubes right where it matters most.
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    Glad to see they are working out, thanks to all for keeping us updated.

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    Thanks for the reply.... I think what I must do now.... First we order the nextie rims and then I go looking on the WWW for hubs

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfiler View Post
    My matte UD pair arrived today. The box was humorourously light for the size. Each rim was wrapped in a thin foam bag that was fastened shut.

    They look good but aren't perfect. The ends of the carbon sheets are visible. The construction and drilling look quite precise though. Sidewall and bead seem uniform.

    Both rims rattled when moved. There were two small remnant pieces from the molding process stuck inside. It took twenty minutes to get those pieces to come to rest on the valve hole and grab them with the world's smallest needle nose pliers. I'll post some pictures later.
    Now that i've had time to spend more than a few minutes with the rims, it seems my previous assessment may have been a bit generous.

    There are obvious imperfections in the carbon layup on both rims. It looks like when I do fiberglass work and don't eliminate all the air bubbles between layers. This is immediately visible all along the inner ridge where the spoke holes are located. It isn't just a couple places but all around that ridge on both rims. This might not bother some people but it's enough to make me not be able to describe these rims as "good looking". Indeed, cosmetically carbon rims can't look much worse.

    Also pictured is one of the chunks of stuff that was rattling around inside both rims. While taking these photos another piece dislodged and started rattling around inside. That'll probably (hopefully only) take me another 15 minutes to remove.
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    Wow, I have a set of the matte UD rims too and they looks damn near flawless, nothing like the set you have...

    My only issue with these rims is the extreme spoke bend at the nipples on some of the spokes... wondering if others are having the same issue?

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    Wow dfiler, those are not rims I would be happy with. I'm pretty fed up with waiting for my Carbondales but if the Nextie rims look like this, raw, I'm still looking.
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    This really vindicates my insistence on using silicone bladders for my molding research. They are epoxy-phobic, they come out of the part willingly.

    ...They're also much more expensive than a polyethylene or latex bladder.

    dfiler can you post a variety of pics similar to your first pic please? From slightly different angles, a half dozen would do. UD has some funky light reflection behaviors, like the plumage on a mallard. This is asking a lot, but a relatively high resolution video would also be good.

    What I'm wondering, and I'm hoping I'm wrong, is that the inflatable bladder that was used to consolidate the carbon plies burst during the epoxy curing phase.

    What I'm ultimately afraid of is if some carbon manufacturers are using bladders that are just barely tough enough.

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    I can't decide if it is worth contacting Nextie. Is this just normal variation and considered acceptable? None of my carbon components in the past have exhibited such flaws. And yet there's the QC inspection sticker on each so they must be good, right?

    It makes me wonder if some of the painted rims are equally flawed, at least cosmetically. It is my assumption that this is only a cosmetic issue and that the rims are still structurally good. Can anyone comment further on that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfiler View Post
    It is my assumption that this is only a cosmetic issue and that the rims are still structurally good. Can anyone comment further on that?
    Right, that's what I'm hoping too. The bits where there is sort of warble, those feel absolutely smooth to blind touch, yeah?
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    My ENVE rims have a bit of that whitening/discolouration going on right where yours is around the spoke hole line.

    Might not look the prettiest on nude rims but i would say the rim integrity is still 100%.
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    I am watching this thread with bated breath...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfiler View Post
    I can't decide if it is worth contacting Nextie. Is this just normal variation and considered acceptable? None of my carbon components in the past have exhibited such flaws. And yet there's the QC inspection sticker on each so they must be good, right?

    It makes me wonder if some of the painted rims are equally flawed, at least cosmetically. It is my assumption that this is only a cosmetic issue and that the rims are still structurally good. Can anyone comment further on that?
    Yes, by all means contact them and let them know your findings. Maybe send along your photos. It sounds like they are conscientious
    and interested in quality. Perhaps they would like to know their qc person let these slip through. Iam NOT an expert on carbon fiber production but have done a fair bit of epoxy and FG work in the marine industry and the voids you describe are always something to be avoided. Best to advise them of the issue to improve their manufacturing process. BTW super u r going out on the limb for all of us. Won't ever have improvements without intrepid souls taking risk and demonstrating leadership. Thanks!

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    Nextie must be following this thread because they immediately contacted me, assuring that the rims are structurally sound. They also offered to paint the rims or a discount on future purchases.

    The blemishes are obvious if you're checking the rims out but will likely go unnoticed on the trail, especially once covered with mud. In other words, I won't be demanding anything from Nextie and I appreciate their pro-active communication.
    Below are a couple more photos from building up the up the rear wheel. Notice that they look ok in some lighting.

    The 190mm rear hub required building extensions for the park truing stand arms but otherwise it handled the 90mm width just fine.

    Bud and lou tire can be installed and removed without using tires levers. I haven't tried airing them up yet. Any suggestions for tubeless rim strips?

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    I spy Bluto, lookin good man!!

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    Nextie-Bike carbon rims

    Beautiful guys. I want a set really bad now.

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    8898 packing tape 3M Scotch 8898 Packaging Tape | 42302 | RS Hughes Industrial Supply

    I cleaned the inside surface with tar and glue remover then taped it up with 1 wrap, this tape doesn't even weigh 5g per wrap.
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    That tape is only 48mm wide. I've always used tape wide enough that the tire bead sits on top. That way, air pressure isn't trying to force air or stans under the tape edge. Does that not matter?

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    They make it in numerous widths. Here is 96mm.

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    That tape is only 48mm wide. I've always used tape wide enough that the tire bead sits on top. That way, air pressure isn't trying to force air or stans under the tape edge. Does that not matter?
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    Orange Seal makes a kit, but it's the full deal. I don't see the tape sold separately. Tape is 75mm wide. Never used any of their products, but it's an option.

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    Cycle Haven has Fat Stans that might work good as well.

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    Thanks for the suggestions. 8898 tape does seem like a good option.

    What I'm wondering about it tape width. Because the nextie rims are wide and there is a deep inset area in the middle of the rim, does using a single, wide strip pose a problem? That center groove is deep enough that the smaller diameter there, compared to the larger diameter toward the outer edge, could cause the tape not to make contact in the center groove. It would likely come down to how much 8898 tape can be stretched.

    Can anyone comment on that? Would a roll of 96mm wide tape be better because it can be used as full-width tape? Or would it be better to use a more narrow tape? Two left/right strips or three left/middle/right strips could be done if the tape isn't stretchable enough to work as a single full width strip.

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    Just speaking from a non-carbon rim guy who has done a few fat bike and many non-fatbike wheels tubeless - having a single piece of tape across the entire width is ideal. I have had issues with the tape getting undermined by the sealant when there was a tape seam. Others have had success, and I have had some short term success too with multiple strips, but a single piece of tape that gets held under the tire bead is best in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfiler View Post
    Thanks for the suggestions. 8898 tape does seem like a good option.

    What I'm wondering about it tape width. Because the nextie rims are wide and there is a deep inset area in the middle of the rim, does using a single, wide strip pose a problem? That center groove is deep enough that the smaller diameter there, compared to the larger diameter toward the outer edge, could cause the tape not to make contact in the center groove. It would likely come down to how much 8898 tape can be stretched.

    Can anyone comment on that? Would a roll of 96mm wide tape be better because it can be used as full-width tape? Or would it be better to use a more narrow tape? Two left/right strips or three left/middle/right strips could be done if the tape isn't stretchable enough to work as a single full width strip.
    It stretches and it can be warmed up to stretch a little extra, but I doubt it could be used on the Nextie rim. I used it on LB Fat rim and there are spots that it could pressed in to the center, but will not automatically adhered to the center channel. The Nextie is MUCH deeper, so it will be more difficult, if it's even possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpd131 View Post
    ...The Nextie is MUCH deeper, so it will be more difficult, if it's even possible.
    That 3M tape looks like the most economically feasible solution. Stupid idea. What if you taped the rim, crammed a tube in there, brought it up to a decent pressure (so you could get the tape to sit flush) and then let it sit for a few days, then went with sealant and chicken liver voodoo steps?

    I haven't ordered the NexTie rims, never used the 3M tape, or a have a fat bike*, but I just like offering unproven suggestions with no basis of experience whatsoever.



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    Quote Originally Posted by WA-CO View Post
    ...I haven't ordered the NexTie rims, never used the 3M tape, or a have a fat bike*, but I just like offering unproven suggestions with no basis of experience whatsoever...
    Well, that makes you an internet authority. All you need to do to get to the next level is mention how the wheels being offset in a Pugsley makes it handle funny*.





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