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    New studded fat, 45 north.

    Wrathchild, aggressive 26x4.6, wide spaced big lugs, concave studs.

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    Looks like a nice tire - in particular the deep and open tread looks like a big improvement on the D5, but the tubeless ready part makes me sad. I have yet to see a tubeless ready fat bike tire that doesn't roll like I am dragging my brakes when it is cold (like <-10f ). Perhaps that is a small part of their market..

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    Thanks for going through the trouble to provide a picture and link.
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    Dang, if I had known this was coming, I would have kept my Beargrease. Sold it to buy a bike that could fit studded D5's. (Assuming these are a bit smaller than D5s, and would fit the Beargrease)

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    They are supposed to be slightly bigger:
    http://45nrth.com/files/pages/20162_..._Update_VF.pdf

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    Still can't find the XL studs anywhere. Anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brentos View Post
    Dang, if I had known this was coming, I would have kept my Beargrease. Sold it to buy a bike that could fit studded D5's. (Assuming these are a bit smaller than D5s, and would fit the Beargrease)
    Studded D5's fit on my Beargrease even on hundos!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpfurn View Post
    Studded D5's fit on my Beargrease even on hundos!
    Plenty of room on Beargrease with 80mm wide rims!!! Flow and Dunder fit with room to spare as well. I assume the Wrathchild will fit too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruceboy View Post
    Looks like a nice tire - in particular the deep and open tread looks like a big improvement on the D5, but the tubeless ready part makes me sad. I have yet to see a tubeless ready fat bike tire that doesn't roll like I am dragging my brakes when it is cold (like <-10f ). Perhaps that is a small part of their market..
    Isn't everyone running tubeless? Less rolling resistance and not dragging a 1 lb tube in rotating weight? Seriously, what am I missing to your post? I get they have a thicker casing. It's a 4.6" tire at 4-8 psi? Rolling fast? I guess all my fat bike tires are tubeless ready and have only run tubeless. Regular tires with tubes are better/faster/ less draggy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpfurn View Post
    Studded D5's fit on my Beargrease even on hundos!
    Well, damn. 1x11 standard chainline? My measurements indicated it may and should work, but some other posts and threads had me believing it wouldn't.

    At least the new bike is sweet too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by leeboh View Post
    Isn't everyone running tubeless? Less rolling resistance and not dragging a 1 lb tube in rotating weight? Seriously, what am I missing to your post? I get they have a thicker casing. It's a 4.6" tire at 4-8 psi? Rolling fast? I guess all my fat bike tires are tubeless ready and have only run tubeless. Regular tires with tubes are better/faster/ less draggy?
    I am not sure why, but all the "tubeless ready" tires I have tried (several v-rubber tires, bontrager's barbegazi, and a maxxis tire) all roll really slowly at cold temperatures. Slower than a tubed "normal" fat bike tire, and slower than a tubeless "normal" fat bike tire. This pretty much does away with any advantages of the tubeless part.

    I don't know if it is the thicker casings, different rubber, or whatever - I just know they ride slow in the cold. And it isn't just me - the LBSs in my area have stopped stocking tubeless fatbike tires just for this reason.

    I don't think it is a big deal if you don't ride in cold temperatures. However, where I live, in Fairbanks Ak, it is cold at lot, and having tires that are boat anchors when it is cold isn't fun.

    EDIT: By cold I mean colder than -10f. The colder it is, the more noticeable the difference is.
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    Anyways, looks like a pretty cool tire. Might pair this up front with a studded D5 rear, for lower rolling resistance...

    I do wish they sold a non-studded version, because it is MUCH cheaper to stud them yourself.
    Last edited by brentos; 09-08-2016 at 02:45 PM.

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    Hmmm......

    I think I'll try to do some sort of semi controlled test of my Barbi's soon.

    Paved hill, 10 psi, same weight and get a high mph reading at 70f and 0f before I swap them for studs.

    My uneducated seat o the pants meter was shocked at how much faster I felt when I went from tubed and studded D5's to tubeless Barbis last spring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brentos View Post
    Anyways, looks like a pretty cool tire. Might pair this up front with a studded D5 rear, for lower rolling resistance...
    Ya, that's what I'm thinking too although I normally like having both tires as similar as possible for more predictable cornering.

    Darn you 45NRTH!

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    Glad they won't fit on my Bucksaw or I'd have to buy some new tires to try
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    The Wrathchild looks wicked. But thankfully for my pocketbook, I'm still running a perfectly good pair of studded D5s for winter, and they've been great.

    And as much as I think 45N is generally a good company, I'm just going to say it - I think it's totally lame that they are not offering non-studded versions of their tires anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spruceboy View Post
    I am not sure why, but all the "tubeless ready" tires I have tried (several v-rubber tires, bontrager's barbegazi, and a maxxis tire) all roll really slowly at cold temperatures. Slower than a tubed "normal" fat bike tire, and slower than a tubeless "normal" fat bike tire. This pretty much does away with any advantages of the tubeless part.

    I don't know if it is the thicker casings, different rubber, or whatever - I just know they ride slow in the cold. And it isn't just me - the LBSs in my area have stopped stocking tubeless fatbike tires just for this reason.

    I don't think it is a big deal if you don't ride in cold temperatures. However, where I live, in Fairbanks Ak, it is cold at lot, and having tires that are boat anchors when it is cold isn't fun.

    EDIT: By cold I mean colder than -10f. The colder it is, the more noticeable the difference is.
    Interesting. I have been rolling Jumbo Jims (liteskins) this summer they are not marketed as tubeless ready, but they are super easy to set up tubeless and don't lose a drop of sealant. They also have WAY less rolling resistance than any other fat tire (including Floyds). I am strongly considering studding them this winter, but I wonder how they'll really do in cold weather compared to the '16 Dillingers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    Interesting. I have been rolling Jumbo Jims (liteskins) ...They also have WAY less rolling resistance than any other fat tire ...I am strongly considering studding them this winter, but I wonder how they'll really do in cold weather compared to the '16 Dillingers.
    FWIW, I've had similar thoughts to stud the Jumbo Jims. My experience is that, at least for the 2015 4" versions, the non studded JJ did better than the non studded D4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruceboy View Post
    I am not sure why, but all the "tubeless ready" tires I have tried (several v-rubber tires, bontrager's barbegazi, and a maxxis tire) all roll really slowly at cold temperatures. Slower than a tubed "normal" fat bike tire, and slower than a tubeless "normal" fat bike tire. This pretty much does away with any advantages of the tubeless part.

    I don't know if it is the thicker casings, different rubber, or whatever - I just know they ride slow in the cold. And it isn't just me - the LBSs in my area have stopped stocking tubeless fatbike tires just for this reason.

    I don't think it is a big deal if you don't ride in cold temperatures. However, where I live, in Fairbanks Ak, it is cold at lot, and having tires that are boat anchors when it is cold isn't fun.

    EDIT: By cold I mean colder than -10f. The colder it is, the more noticeable the difference is.
    AK? Real winter. Boston, MA area rider here. Rubber durometer issues? I run the v rubber snowshoe, D4's, hodags and the Spec. fast track. My cold is not that cold usually. Maybe 10-30F. Lots of freeze thaw here. But rarely that cold. Some rubber science behind this? Any engineers on board?

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    Has anybody seen a claimed weight for these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brentos View Post
    FWIW, I've had similar thoughts to stud the Jumbo Jims. My experience is that, at least for the 2015 4" versions, the non studded JJ did better than the non studded D4.
    What method did you use to stud them?
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    Riders of winter know, studs ain't just for ice. Any tire I run as a winter tire has got to be studded, for powder, roots, hard frozen/frosted dirt, ice, and everything else. Disclaimer: I live north of 45 degrees
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Riders of winter know, studs ain't just for ice. Any tire I run as a winter tire has got to be studded, for powder, roots, hard frozen/frosted dirt, ice, and everything else. Disclaimer: I live north of 45 degrees
    I just have to disagree with this a bit. I totally get riding with studs in the winter for those icy spots that always come up unexpectedly. No real downside to running studs for sure. But for me and how I ride they do not add much in softer than ice conditions. I am not disputing that they do for you, just saying not all riders of winter have the exact same experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Riders of winter know, studs ain't just for ice. Any tire I run as a winter tire has got to be studded, for powder, roots, hard frozen/frosted dirt, ice, and everything else. Disclaimer: I live north of 45 degrees
    I'm at 69*, I don't disagree with what you're saying; but I don't see it as a requirement

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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    I just have to disagree with this a bit. I totally get riding with studs in the winter for those icy spots that always come up unexpectedly. No real downside to running studs for sure. But for me and how I ride they do not add much in softer than ice conditions. I am not disputing that they do for you, just saying not all riders of winter have the exact same experience.
    Agreed. I have not seen any benefit to studs other than on ice, but around here there are few roots and they are usually covered in snow by the time ice is an issue. There's certainly no downside to studs on snow except for when you have a long section pavement showing through. I end up driving to the trailhead more often in the deep winter because of that.

    Along these lines it's getting dark earlier ... ice and darkness will be here soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    I just have to disagree with this a bit. I totally get riding with studs in the winter for those icy spots that always come up unexpectedly. No real downside to running studs for sure. But for me and how I ride they do not add much in softer than ice conditions. I am not disputing that they do for you, just saying not all riders of winter have the exact same experience.
    Werd. @ 10k' elevation and the only ice is under 6+' of powder, I have not witnessed an improvement to having studs. I'll be down to the desert come freeze/thaw season...
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    Anyone know about price and availability? These aren't showing up on QBP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    Werd. @ 10k' elevation and the only ice is under 6+' of powder, I have not witnessed an improvement to having studs. I'll be down to the desert come freeze/thaw season...
    If it's always powder, I wouldn't see much benefit, except that powder falling on a hard surface compresses and I do feel I get some traction boost, but it depends on the powder(how much) and conditions.. Since it's below freezing for all winter here and the ground is always well below freezing (even if the air is above, whatever falls will eventually freeze into ice), it makes a lot of sense. Trails get packed from XC ski use, from foot traffic, and everything else. It's far from "glaze ice" or "solid ice", but you get a ton more traction with the studs, allowing you to lean the bike over in turns and generally have far better control. And then there are the mixed conditions, sometimes involving roots, etc. They just do better everywhere IMO. I have a feeling some of the conditions people are using fatbikes in involve a lot of above-freezing slush, the occasional snow-storm, and so on. In those conditions, yes, probably of marginal use, but in a cold climate, every day and sunday. When the trails get real hard (again, not necessarily solid ice), some people break out the skinny bikes with studded tires. Back in the day, that was the thing to do, fatbikes are far more popular here now and it's a lot easier to grab that "one bike that works all the time" in the winter anyway.

    I just deleted a bunch of my winter videos for some new uploads, but here's one of the races, this one happened to be on snow-machine trails for the most part:

    Damn, makes me want to ride my fatbike on snow right now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    I just have to disagree with this a bit. I totally get riding with studs in the winter for those icy spots that always come up unexpectedly. No real downside to running studs for sure. But for me and how I ride they do not add much in softer than ice conditions. I am not disputing that they do for you, just saying not all riders of winter have the exact same experience.
    I would agree - I think the studs only help on ice, but on ice they are pretty magic.




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    Love it Alaskans debating snow and ice. I agree with Jayem. My studs help bite wet slick or frosty wood boardwalks, frozen ground (you know the wet mud that freezes into unworldly miniature ice coulombs) and snow that is compressed so firm that anyone outside of a ski resort would call it ice (Alyeska would call it packed powder). I may pick a pair of these up.

    A previous poster said that would run these up front and D5 out back. I was thinking D5 up front and Wrathchild out back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    Anyone know about price and availability? These aren't showing up on QBP.
    fat-bikes.ca has them available on their site for pre-order only, price is listed at $359 Canadian.

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    Other sites have them listed as well, apparently $249.99 , which is pretty reasonable, all things considered.
    An example:
    45Nrth 26X4.6 WRATHCHILD 120TPI STUDDED FAT TIRE | Bike Tires | ERIK'S

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruceboy View Post
    Other sites have them listed as well, apparently $249.99 , which is pretty reasonable, all things considered.
    An example:
    45Nrth 26X4.6 WRATHCHILD 120TPI STUDDED FAT TIRE | Bike Tires | ERIK'S
    For brand new to the market studded fat tires from a mainstream company...yeah, it's always disappointing, but you get over it on the bike. Studded fat tires for winter are one of the few things I can actually say was worth it to spend that much on, as compared to things like cranks where you can spend $500, but it doesn't perform 3x better than one that costs 1/3rd the price, or some high end $150 XTR pedals vs $35 PD-520s, you might save weight, but the function is essentially the same. Not so much with these for winter, at least round these parts.

    This is what I think of when I keep hearing the name for these tires:
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    If this Fairbanks winter is like last, we won't get much cold weather riding.

    I remember a quote in the News Miner, I think it was from Rocky. "The most expensive studs are cheaper than the cheapest emergency room visit".

    My JJ LiteSkins seemed pretty good down to -20.

    I have unstudded Jumbo Jim Lite Skins, I end up walking through a lot of overflow/glaciered areas that I could easily ride. My MTB has studs for Fairbanks winter commuting. This winter I'll stud up the Fattie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskaStinson View Post
    If this Fairbanks winter is like last, we won't get much cold weather riding.

    I remember a quote in the News Miner, I think it was from Rocky. "The most expensive studs are cheaper than the cheapest emergency room visit".

    My JJ LiteSkins seemed pretty good down to -20.

    I have unstudded Jumbo Jim Lite Skins, I end up walking through a lot of overflow/glaciered areas that I could easily ride. My MTB has studs for Fairbanks winter commuting. This winter I'll stud up the Fattie.
    I was driving a G-car in Fairbanks this winter and noticed it slipping some on the roads. I thought, "what?" and got out to take a look...no studs? It's ironic that the G-car in Fairbanks had no studs yet our G-cars in ANC have studs. I realize when it's super cold, like -40, you have pretty good traction without studs on the roads, but that just isn't all that common anymore and at the more common mean temp, you can definitely benefit from them and it can be quite "sporty" without them, vs. here in ANC where all the downtown roads were generally clear all winter and studs were of little use on the cars much of the time. Just kind of opposite of what I'd expect with the temps, vs. what has worked in the past.

    Man I hope it doesn't rain again this winter...
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    Man I hope it doesn't rain dead birds again this winter...
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    When will the Wrathchild be available?

    Does anyone have pics of the XL stud next to the standard stud?

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    Yay! Vaporware has arrived once more!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    Yay! Vaporware has arrived once more!!
    It would be great if more companies operated like Santa Cruz. They announce a new bike, and voila, it's available the next day. I realize it's tough to keep things under wraps when they are already in production, but come on, these are fat bike parts not iPhone 8's!

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    Pfft! We couldn't be so fortunate. The thing is that the mfg's will do an announcement and a few prototypes to get a feel for the market acceptance and interest in a given product before launching full production.
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    I really like the idea of the wrathchild but I wish they would put out a D5 w the xl studs. I don't need a more aggressive lug pattern but I do need all the traction I can get on ice. I really like the low rolling resistance of the D5, looks like the wrathchild would be good for serious winter singletrack, maybe not so hot for long distance winter bikepacking. Just some thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spruceboy View Post
    They are supposed to be slightly bigger:
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    Click image for larger version. 

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    Start the feeding frenzy. 45nrth tires are hitting dealers. Of course they started with the two "retread" tires people are least excited about (tubeless versions of Husker du and studded Dillinger 4) but hopefully the Wrathchild isn't far behind. If you want a pair of Wrathchildren and live in the snow belt, start calling your LBS daily

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    My LBS said Wrathchild will be late and in very low quantities. And no Dillienger 5's in stock yet. "November sometime"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff_G View Post
    My LBS said Wrathchild will be late and in very low quantities. And no Dillienger 5's in stock yet. "November sometime"
    Ours has a wait-list. Way too many people signed up so far...Glad my 5s seem to be going strong on their 3rd season.
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    New tubeless D4Ss

    The new cornering knob seems to be the biggest difference. Hard to tell if the knobs are any bigger, as my D5S is kind of worn.

    New studded fat, 45 north.-019f3bb2ce23a5540c2cd88d83c3b83e36dea722dc.jpg
    LBS weighed all of the new D4S tires and gave methe two lightest ones. Oh, how well they know me!
    New studded fat, 45 north.-0118a7093eb091279b7640c4bcf3cf15dfa90f4a9e.jpgNew studded fat, 45 north.-0188a1dbb633e3166e98c3bbee552465b2caf4138e.jpg

    Old D5S for comparison.
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    Jayem.....what do the new D4's weigh in at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Jayem.....what do the new D4's weigh in at?
    I've heard they're around 1368 grams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    LBS weighed all of the new D4S tires and gave methe two lightest ones. Oh, how well they know me!
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    (written on the side of the box here)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willum View Post
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    D'oh! Thanks for pointed out the obvious ( which I obviously missed )

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    The other was 1341, but the shop said some of them weighed a bit over 1400.
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

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