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    Thanks Schmed, Colorado looks amazing as well.

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    after countless emails last week with the Bike shop on checking out and picking up the Big Jon and was set on this past Saturday, the shop sold the bike before I even get there. I was all set on getting it. bummer ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerteeuwen View Post


    I got my fat Jon yesterday, I haven't really lowered the psi anything crazy yet but from what I have lowered it too... Insane amount of traction and I really love the roll over of the wider tire.

    I come from riding 700c cross and 29er so I'm used to the roll over, but with the larger contact patch on the bike its roll over is super fun!

    I am 6' 5" and the bike is an XL and it fits good though I have the seat post near its limit and I could have done with a Bit higher of a bar height though i do run my 29er with an inverted stem so I may not change anything about it.




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    Can you post more pictures? Im looking to get the XL as well. Side view would be nice to see the top tube and standover.
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    new 2016 big jon back on ebay make offers free shipping 3 days left

    Quote Originally Posted by nismosr View Post
    after countless emails last week with the Bike shop on checking out and picking up the Big Jon and was set on this past Saturday, the shop sold the bike before I even get there. I was all set on getting it. bummer ..
    Nismosr don't be bummed if you live in the us ride a size medium your new big jon is back on ebay waiting for you.heck I think they still have a large. auction has 3 days left they are taking offers plus free shipping for one of the best valued and equipped fat bikes of 2016. WINTER IS COMING .
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideeatrepeat View Post
    Can you post more pictures? Im looking to get the XL as well. Side view would be nice to see the top tube and standover.
    Thanks
    I'm not quite as tall as tigerteeuwen but I have an XL Big Jon. There are some pics earlier in the thread:

    New Scott fat bike: Big Jon-1030762d1448270248-new-scott-fat-bike-big-jon-image1.jpg
    New Scott fat bike: Big Jon-1041803d1452503848-new-scott-fat-bike-big-jon-image2.jpg
    New Scott fat bike: Big Jon-1045273d1453714550-new-scott-fat-bike-big-jon-img_1014.jpg
    New Scott fat bike: Big Jon-1100348d1476692664-new-scott-fat-bike-big-jon-img_1699.jpg

    For me at 6'2" 34" inseam there's sufficient standover. The shop had a size L in at the same time and I was able to try it around the car park it felt like every other mountain bike I've bought - slightly too small.

    The XL is a big old gate at least 6'6" from end-to-end but I'm glad I didn't get the smaller size. Sizing chart if you haven't seen it:
    New Scott fat bike: Big Jon-176130_original_1.jpg
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    Raceface ride crank with a 30 t narrow wide ring will it work

    Has anyone did the 1x10 conversion using a narrow wide ring on a raceface ride crank with a 30t ? I want to replace my 32t with a 30t . will it work since its quite a bit smaller ? I thought I would see if I could get just a little bit more out of my lowest gear. before I buy one I was hoping to find out if the 30t would fit over the crank arm on to the spider without removing and messing with the arm or crank itself . putting on the 32t was pretty easy as it slipped right over the arm .

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    The 30T RF n/w is available with a 104 BCD so it should fit. Whether you can slide it on over the crank arm is another question.

    FWIW the crank arm comes off very easily. When I removed the little ring I took the driveside arm off and the spindle is attached to the non-driveside so all you need to do is remove the hex bolt with an 8mm key and then use a standard ISIS puller to remove the arm. Fit the new ring, slide the arm back on and tighten the bolt.



    My own experience is that 2 teeth less on the front doesn't make *that* much difference to the riding experience. It puts the 2nd biggest cog at the back somewhere between your old 1st and 2nd (if that makes sense) and a similar reduction in 1st so it's like half-a-gear lower. HTH

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    Thanks max . When I had the bike converted to a 1x 10 and adding the 32t a guy I know at a bike shop helped me do it on the side so it just cost me some beer.he knew more than me about the conversion so I just let him do most of it. he has since moved away to a different state so I thought I would buy a 30t and do it myself. even if its only a half gear lower Im still gonna go ahead buy one and put it on and see if I can even tell the difference. Max you are the man ! thanks again for your help and the great link.

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    Forgot to say the crank puller you need is a Park CWP-6 but any ISIS puller will do. The retaining bolt needs to be 45 ft/lbs which is very tight but not insanely tight

    Edit: instructions are attached Ride_XC_Crank-1.compressed.pdf

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    Thanks Max I just ordered the ring and found a source for the park tool.

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    Just finished putting the 30t ring on .wasn't that bad of a job but did get a little help .after test ride the 2 hills that were killing me that I ride a lot in my mind and legs are a little better now with the 30t ? before when I got to the lowest gear and was climbing those hills I keep wanting to shift more even going one more by mistake as it started to shift back up. it must be better because that didn't happen on those hills with the 30t this time. maybe it was the Wheaties I had for breakfast ? I will have to ride more but it seems to be better with just a slight half tad more of lower gear.bikes a mess it got real dirty and got a flat tire.
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    Nice work glad you got it sorted. Sometimes half a gear makes all the difference!

    I've been riding round on my hardtail for the last few weeks and *thought* I'd gone back to the thin tyre religion but I got Big Jon out at the weekend and realised I hadn't

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    Max Fat is where its at ! oh and some of us plus +

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    There is a used one available here I think I am going to get it -only bad point is the non-tubeless rims

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    There is a lot you can do if your worried about the extra weight.there are much lighter inner tubes you can buy and a few components that will save you some weight and it wont cost that much. ebay is a good source for slightly used or new take off fat bike rims.I almost bought a new take off specialized fat bike wheelset for 300.00 bucks with tires but didn't know much about if they were a lot lighter or could be tubeless.they look like dt swiss with the specialized name on them ? please post your big jon bike if you buy it.

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    Well i bough it.... a used 2016, medium frame. I am 5f 10.5 in, could have fitted on a large according to the chart, the inseam is cleared, hard to imagine having it higher, but the top tube feels short, it is shorter than my 18 inches XC bike (26 wheels) but the bikes are so different anyway... feels a lot smaller than I anticipated, I do not feel on top but into the bike, the wheels are some much closer to the rider than on a 26 bike. Feels like a playful bike. hard to know if I will enjoy logging miles on it.

    had a little go on my favorite local trail system, the seller lived nearby.... so I could not resist. There was fresh powder, and ice under it, pretty difficult to ride, I hope it gets easier. I puked some of my lunch 20min into it.

    I don't even know how much pressure there was in the tires.

    It is a mixed system with XC skis, snowshoes, and fat bikes in the winter. I met a couple each on their 2017 big johns and they spotted my bike and said great bike

    So the trail had a thin line in the middle you could ride.
    Touch a bit on the side and you fall off trail and you are waist deep in show.
    A very small section was open/rideable, cause it snowed a bunch the night before. A good time for skis and snowshoes who could go anywhere.

    Anyway I am so excited to be able to try a fatbike, I tried renting but on a good day they are all gone... or the trails are closed because of fresh snow. I rode a lot in the winter on my kona stuff hardtail with 2.5 tires, when the conditions are good it was awesome in snowmobile tracks. So I know I had to try a fatbike after I looked at all the youtube videos. I have been dedicated to mtbiking for 10 years, some almost fulltime, until 2010. Last bike I purchased was a 2008 kona "the king" XC dually with is now a hei hei 100 thanks to frame warranty.

    ...anyway I will try a fatbike for a year on snow, rough wilderness beaches in the summer and see if I like it. That was the plan, I really could not resist, not at all.

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    2017 Scott Big Jon

    The 2017 Scott Big Jon looks nice!

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    Man those tires are massive.

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    I agree the 2017 looks a lot nicer in person than on the webpage. There is some nice purples in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montrealrider View Post
    Well i bough it.... a used 2016, medium frame. I am 5f 10.5 in, could have fitted on a large according to the chart, the inseam is cleared, hard to imagine having it higher, but the top tube feels short, it is shorter than my 18 inches XC bike (26 wheels) but the bikes are so different anyway... feels a lot smaller than I anticipated, I do not feel on top but into the bike, the wheels are some much closer to the rider than on a 26 bike. Feels like a playful bike. hard to know if I will enjoy logging miles on it.
    It's a different animal for sure but I think you got the right size. I'm your height exactly and I've got a medium as well. On the Scott 27.5+ the large was a better fit, but the large on the Big Jon was just a hair oversized. Hope you enjoy the new toy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montrealrider View Post
    Well i bough it.... a used 2016, medium frame. I am 5f 10.5 in, could have fitted on a large according to the chart, the inseam is cleared, hard to imagine having it higher, but the top tube feels short, it is shorter than my 18 inches XC bike (26 wheels) but the bikes are so different anyway... feels a lot smaller than I anticipated, I do not feel on top but into the bike, the wheels are some much closer to the rider than on a 26 bike. Feels like a playful bike. hard to know if I will enjoy logging miles on it.

    had a little go on my favorite local trail system, the seller lived nearby.... so I could not resist. There was fresh powder, and ice under it, pretty difficult to ride, I hope it gets easier. I puked some of my lunch 20min into it.

    I don't even know how much pressure there was in the tires.

    It is a mixed system with XC skis, snowshoes, and fat bikes in the winter. I met a couple each on their 2017 big johns and they spotted my bike and said great bike

    So the trail had a thin line in the middle you could ride.
    Touch a bit on the side and you fall off trail and you are waist deep in show.
    A very small section was open/rideable, cause it snowed a bunch the night before. A good time for skis and snowshoes who could go anywhere.

    Anyway I am so excited to be able to try a fatbike, I tried renting but on a good day they are all gone... or the trails are closed because of fresh snow. I rode a lot in the winter on my kona stuff hardtail with 2.5 tires, when the conditions are good it was awesome in snowmobile tracks. So I know I had to try a fatbike after I looked at all the youtube videos. I have been dedicated to mtbiking for 10 years, some almost fulltime, until 2010. Last bike I purchased was a 2008 kona "the king" XC dually with is now a hei hei 100 thanks to frame warranty.

    ...anyway I will try a fatbike for a year on snow, rough wilderness beaches in the summer and see if I like it. That was the plan, I really could not resist, not at all.
    congrats ! you will love your fat bike. the q factor takes a little while to get used to but other than that its all good.

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    the q-factor:
    first time climbing a mountain, half hour steady climb, yeah I could feel somthing weird in my knees, it is a strange rotation.... but that was the first time I tried clipped pedals on the fattie and they were shimanos not times, I hate them.... I,ll try with times.. and flats did not give me that feeling.

    the bike:
    I had the chance of firmer snow conditions and tried well groomed trails I have done in the summer and boy that bike is fast! I could not belive how fast I went a moderate flowy downhill on snow, I mean I think I do not go as fast on my xc bike in the summer! cause I would slip on the gravel in the turns!
    I tried a very steep twisty chute and the bike was super manoeuvrable and stable.

    Living in Montreal we have a long and snowy winter and even urban is super fun. Parks and back alleys are great and the public stomps the tracks for us

    Mind you a lot of people ride 700c city bikes all winter here. Riding a fattie makes you looks like you are really afraid of slipping I guess.

    But I know how a fat bike opens up the riding in the winter now. Looks like a good week ahead of us snow wise.

    I went to a dealer for sizing. He said I am better with the medium frame but with a longer stem. I can sell the bike for a profit right now if I need to I have a buyer.

    There is a sasquatch 6.2 large here at a great price, I could swap it for 600$ more but since I am not ritch I am kind of opting to keep the big jon but I will have to upgrade some components. But that is the good side of it, having bought used I can invest some in better components. I did not ride the sasquatch but I bet I could buy it new, ride it a week and sell it for profit or even. (400$ sale) But I am way too afraid I would keep the two and bust my visa till the end of summer

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    Still riding my 2015 Scott big John, it has been a good bike thus far, having close to 3000km total on it over the two riding seasons I have owned it.

    I have only replaced the cassette and chain for maintenance, and had the brakes bleed with CHF 7.1 which seems to help with the modulation.

    I replaced the rear tire with a maxxis Colossus, it's a good tire in some ways, being traction in packed snow, though it's heavier and doesn't offer as good of float as the scwalble jumbo Jim 4.8 that came stock, I will go back to running a Jim once I have a good excuse.

    The front derailleur is on the way out, spring has lost tension... Or something like that, doesn't want to return to position when shifting to the small ring, so I will probably replace that ASAP with an XT front post mount.

    All in all, I would definitely recommend this bike based on my km's ridden also with my general opinion made from riding with other people with a variety of other fat bikes, it's a very capable bike from commuting, to the Nordic centre in Canmore to riding some downhill in brag Creek it has served well.




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    Well I sold the medium, witch was too small for me. In the descents I felt I had the steerer between the knees.
    Got the Sasquatch 6.2 new on sale 500$ off, came in only 80$ more than a new big jon -also on sale. I am very confy on the large. I never could try or see a large big jon but the stand over height looks high for me on paper. Would love to try one to compare to the Norco after I ride it more.

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    I picked up a Big Jon back in November off of Ebay. I believe the bike I bought was talked about on page 6 of this thread. (Medium at a bike shop in Florida) I finally got to ride some trails last week. This is my first fatbike, so I'm pretty new to all this. It was lots of fun to ride out in the snow.

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    I had seen that ebay listing and posted here and glad you got that new big jon at such a great deal.looks like a sweet bike they are lots of fun.

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    Yeah Big John is a cool bike I hope you enjoy it zachaput

    Having said my last fat ride was new year's eve it was dry and not too cold but since then it's been wet and our local trails have turned to mush.

    After getting the fatty in Oct 2015 I hardly used my HT in 2016. After robbing it of what I could for Big Jon I was going to sell it but somehow after One Last Ride it felt pretty good. Not as good as Big Jon obv but not that bad either especially in mud.

    And so this year I have only ridden the HT. Strava says it's a bit slower than the fatty but given the current conditions that's to be expected. It remains to be seen how close they are when the trails dry up and I get the chance to make a fair comparison.

    Gotta love bikes

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    How's it going folks I hope you all still have your Big Jons

    I started riding mine again at the end of March and it has cleaned up on Strava. To put some values on it, it's between 10 and 40 seconds/mile quicker than my other bikes which is amazing. My Voltage FR is quicker on some descents (but not much) and my Jekyll has the edge on some twitchy climbs but the fatty is still faster from A-B

    I haven't changed anything on the fat bike since last year. I got a new 4.8 JJ after Christmas but I haven't fitted it yet the 4.0s are staying on until it gets dry and rubbly around here.

    I have grown to love the bike's simplicity. A 1x drivetrain and no suspension means I can put it away and it's ready to go next time. The BB and hubs are wearing well and the point-and-shoot Zee brakes are hardly touched.

    Given the choice I'd take the fat bike any time but I've imposed a rota so that I still use my other bikes. They're good in their own right but Big Jon is as addictive as crack cocaine

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    Nice to see this thread still kicking. The time change couldn't come fast enough around here. I've been riding my --- off and doing stuff on this bike at 40 I wasn't doing in my 20's. I've been thinking about a Bucksaw as of late, not as a replacement but as an addition. Otherwise the Big Jon has held up great. I had a clicking in the BB that I couldn't nail down. I finally took it to the LBS and had them tear the whole thing apart front to back and re-grease & tighten everything. It hasn't returned since. The stock JJ's are holding up great as well. My only complaint is that the spacing between the knobbies seems to allow for a lot of slippage when they're wet, and one of the main trail networks I ride has a couple of creek crossings. After making a crossing I've got to be careful to choose just the right gear. Beyond that, I think I blew the lockout on the Bluto over the weekend but that's another issue... and another trip to the LBS.

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    I guess this thread just needed a bump.

    I recently converted to a 11-42 Sunrace cassette, to go along with the Race Face 30t NW ring. Other than some Niner carbon bars the rest of my Big Jon is stock. I've owned it for over a year now but the honeymoon hasn't ended. Love.the thing!

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    Guess I`ll leave my Big Jon here.

    It`s a 2017 model with a drivetrain upgrade, the rest is stock.

    The new drivetrain consists of:
    Shimano XT M8000 RD
    Shimano SLX M7000 shifter
    Sunrace 11-46 cassete
    Absoluteblack 34t oval chainring (yes, it is mounted the wrong way around, will get it fixed tomorrow)

    New Scott fat bike: Big Jon-17837792_1078775365561671_642054954_o_zpsjdp5s6ml.jpg

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    ^^ Magaiver your 2017 bike looks great

    What do you think about the oval chainring

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    scott big jon fat bike

    Nice 2017 magaiver. just cleaned and detailed the old big jon nice to see action on this forum again . hi max.
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    I run Absolute Black oval`s on all of my MTB`s, a geared XC 29er, a single speed 29er and the Jon.
    I`m not sure if they make that much of a performance difference, as I don`t have any way to directly compare them to a round ring. But for me, they feel great, look cool and the Absolute Black rings have superb build quality. On all my bikes when I moved to the oval rings I also made major changes to the entire drive train so everything felt different not just the chainrings.
    And you will still fall on really steep technical climbs if do something stupid and cannot unclip fast enough... I`m a master at that.

    By the way, the chainring has been flipped to the right position.

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    guy on a fat bike competes in texas ironman

    Some guy rode a cannondale fat bike in the texas ironman last month and did pretty good considering he is on a Fat bike ! check out the aero bars on the bike.he finished 78th of 160 for the older group and finished 1854th of 2671 overall. go to Bicycling for full story.
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    Big jons on ebay

    Fyi on ebay currently there is a new 2016 medium big jon and a large 2017 big jon demo at pretty good prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGFAT29 View Post
    Nice 2017 magaiver. just cleaned and detailed the old big jon nice to see action on this forum again . hi max.
    Looking as clean and green as ever big fella

    Here in England we have DUST:

    New Scott fat bike: Big Jon-big-jon.jpg

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    Max all we had this past winter was dust ! it was a mild winter again 2 years in a row. there wasnt much snow at all here in good old ohio usa.again I gotta say I didn't mind. its nice to have had some mild winters for a change .not much snow is pretty rare here. the problem is not getting to enjoy the bike in the white stuff. looks like your ride is holding up well.

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    Scott big jon fat bike pics lets see some !

    Its time again for the scott fat bike owners to post some more pics. please don't be shy.
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    New BB

    Looking good big fella wish mine was that clean

    Despite what people say I've not had any problems with RF BBs and this one has been no exception. It was a free-spinning unit right from day one (Oct 2015) but more recently 'free spinning' = 'loose' most noticeable when standing on the pedals. I was going to fit a Shimano BB (does the tube in the middle actually do anything?) but I spotted a stainless Hope Fatsno unit for a (relatively) reasonable price.

    First step was to remove the RF BB:
    New Scott fat bike: Big Jon-photo%402017-05-22-08-40-35.jpg

    Drive side unbolts and pulls off:
    New Scott fat bike: Big Jon-photo%402017-05-22-08-40-36.jpg
    Keep the two fibre washers between the BB and the cranks.

    Tap the cranks out:
    New Scott fat bike: Big Jon-photo%402017-05-22-08-40-37.jpg

    There was a fair bit of threadlock in there but it came out easily enough:
    New Scott fat bike: Big Jon-photo%402017-05-22-08-40-38.jpg

    Hope cups went in easily up to finger tight then just a quarter turn with the old BBT-9:
    New Scott fat bike: Big Jon-photo%402017-05-22-08-40-39.jpg

    Cranks back in:
    New Scott fat bike: Big Jon-photo%402017-05-22-08-40-41.jpg

    Stealth black:
    New Scott fat bike: Big Jon-photo%402017-05-22-08-40-42.jpg

    There was a little bit of drag to begin with but I've done a few miles over the weekend and the bearings have settled in. The feel through the cranks is good there's a solid connection to the bike.

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    BBQ bb

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    Looking good big fella wish mine was that clean

    Despite what people say I've not had any problems with RF BBs and this one has been no exception. It was a free-spinning unit right from day one (Oct 2015) but more recently 'free spinning' = 'loose' most noticeable when standing on the pedals. I was going to fit a Shimano BB (does the tube in the middle actually do anything?) but I spotted a stainless Hope Fatsno unit for a (relatively) reasonable price.

    First step was to remove the RF BB:
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    Drive side unbolts and pulls off:
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    Keep the two fibre washers between the BB and the cranks.

    Tap the cranks out:
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    There was a fair bit of threadlock in there but it came out easily enough:
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    Hope cups went in easily up to finger tight then just a quarter turn with the old BBT-9:
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    Cranks back in:
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    Stealth black:
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    There was a little bit of drag to begin with but I've done a few miles over the weekend and the bearings have settled in. The feel through the cranks is good there's a solid connection to the bike.
    Max , thanks for the dyi tips on the bb.very good info as my bb needs to be a little more bbq (quiet.) my big jons bb sometimes makes a slight ticking sound (mostly when standing up on the pedals) so not sure whats up or how long till it goes. I m told more grease will help but a bb upgrade in the future might be in the works. just noticed sorry for quote reply repeating your bb photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGFAT29 View Post
    my big jons bb sometimes makes a slight ticking sound (mostly when standing up on the pedals) so not sure whats up or how long till it goes
    Mine had a creak which came on during a ride and just got louder and louder with every pedal stroke. At first I thought it was the pedals so I swapped them and although the creak wasn't as loud it was still there. After a bit of experimentation with tightening the pedals I decided to drown the crank inserts in wet lube and leave them overnight, and that cured it.

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    Nice! Good info on the cranks. The stock BB on mine mine had a click in it, it was very strange. Sounded like there was a loose ball rolling around in them on the upstroke. Obviously not, but that's what it sounded like. I had the LBS pull them and completely re-do them and the issue went away. No trouble since. Only thing now is trying to decide whether or not to go 1x (pretty sure I want to) and if so, which chainring/size. I'm thinking Raceface Cinch looks like the way to go. The option of changing chainrings semi-easily would be a nice feature.

    On the subject of tubeless... I've done some fooling around on this thing. There was a comment made a while back that Gorilla tape would sort it out, and I'm sure that's true. I tried to do it with Sunringle tape, and it's too hard to work with and/or I'm doing it wrong. Also, you really need to trim the rim strip back so that you can get the tape stuck down well on both sides of the rim strip. If you don't, the whole thing stays semi-permiable and wont hold air. I went ahead and threw the tube back in it and will wait until after Father's day. I've registered for an Enduro race (it's a beginner, family level "fun" event). We'll see how the bike holds up as is. I'll try to get some pics posted after. After testing the tubeless setup, I think that the Fatty Stripper would work perfect. The only real issue I had when I tested it was leaking around the rim strip, and the rim seams. The Fatty Stripper band covers all that up. Getting the bead to seat was a snap. No issues there at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingfisher2011 View Post
    The option of changing chainrings semi-easily would be a nice feature.
    I thought the same thing until I realised the standard cranks are joined on the drive side. The drive side comes off easily with an 8mm hex key and an ISIS puller. They're actually Not That Heavy either although I agree the Cinch cranks look cool and I think they allow you to go really small on the chainring. Having said that the standard cranks also have spacers for the outer ring so it really is just a matter of binning the shifter + mech, unbolting the inner ring and fitting a n/w

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingfisher2011 View Post
    Getting the bead to seat was a snap.
    Hmm this is what puts me off more than anything. I have 4.8 and 4.0 Jumbo Jims and they are both baggy as hell on the rims they literally fall off both sides when refitting them even with a tube in. Did you use JJs or a different tyre?

    Good luck with the Enduro race btw

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    Thanks Max, I'm going to give'er hell. Like I said, I joined the beginner class. I'm just not that competitive at my age. I want to do it for fun, but not feel like I'm holding someone up.

    So... the bead. This is with the stock 4.8 JJ's. I know what you're saying... and you're right. The guy that came over to help was like "Do you have tire levers?" me - "You don't need them." lol So just looking at it, you're like "There's no way in hell this is ever going to seat. It's just too sloppy." Spoiler alert... it does. If you blow enough pressure into it, the dang bead will seat pretty darn quick/easy... and surprisingly straight. We had to fool with it just a little and wiggle it around, then POP. Done. I thought the bead was going to be the big holdup, and it was probably one of the easiest parts.

    Something else I found in my garage that I think would seal these rims up pretty quick that I don't see anyone having ever mentioned, aluminum HVAC tape. The stuff sticks like crazy, and it's MADE to hold air in. It's also just the right width to fit in the ditch of the 80mm rims. Only issue is that just like the Sunringle tape, the rim strip really needs to be trimmed back so that you can actually stick the tape down to race of the rim properly, otherwise the air just blows under the tape, through the strip... done. I might experiment with the HVAC tape at a later time down the road, but in the meantime I'm 99% convinced that that the Fatty Stripper bands will be a one & done deal on these rims, and they even call out the Syncros rims on their website (they recommend you use the backer rod).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingfisher2011 View Post
    If you blow enough pressure into it, the dang bead will seat pretty darn quick/easy
    Kingfisher you've got me interested. Does the tape keep the bead in place while you inflate the tyre? What do you use to inflate it

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    Max... keep in mind that it ultimately was a failure, but I know why. However, to your question no... the bead was tape free. I used the 78 mm Sunringle tape which comes almost up to the bottom of the rim edge but doesn't go up to the bead area. I have a friend who loaned me a blow gun with a piece of clear tubing on the end and used that to blow air into the tire to get it to seat. With the compressor at about 125-140 PSI, you have to fool with the tire a little to get it closer to the rim but as soon as the air hits it, it generally wants to pop in to place. I'm confident you could also do it with a Schrader adapter and a standard chuck, given enough PSI. When we did it initially I pulled the valve core, but with the way the little piece of tubing goes over the stem, at high pressure the air goes into the tire anyway... even with the core in.

    If I went through the trouble of taking a razor/cutter and trimming the rim strip to make it more narrow, then re-taping with the Sunringle tape. I'm relatively confident the thing would go just fine. For $20 though, the Fatty Stripper setup just seems like it's a hell of a lot easier and cleaner and I don't have to jump through the hoops.

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    Big Jon loses a tube... take 2... Fatty Stripper

    So I did round 2 of the tubeless today. After having a dismal failure with the Sunringle rim tape, seeing why it failed etc. I decided the Fatty Stripper setup was the way to go. I was right.

    To be clear, the Sunringle tape probably would've worked fine if I had removed the rim strip and gone back with something that was more narrow or if I had trimmed the factory one. That said, the Fatty Stripper setup skips all that and is quite a bit easier.

    I ended up with a tiny leak after about a 3 hour ride in the sticks yesterday so I figured today was a good day to go ahead and sort it out. The rim strip goes on just like in the video. I did go ahead and chop a piece of another tube as a spacer, again... just as in the video. I went ahead and got the tire all the way on the rim, greased the bead with dish soap and added the Stans. Since I'm working with a makeshift stand this was a PITA, but doable. After putting the air to the wheel and massaging the tire momentarily to get the bead to seat the thing aired right up. It's had 20-30 PSI in it all day without as much as a bubble or a hiss. The thing has been ridden, shook, and spun... no trouble.

    One item of note, I did go ahead and use the backer rod since they recommended it for the Syncros rims. I think this almost made the install more of a pain as it seemed to want to move around under the band as I was getting the tire adjusted to seat, then again I didn't try it without so that may have a been a bunch worse.

    Hope this helps.

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    Hmm thanks for that Kingfisher

    I'm guessing a compressor is pretty much essential?

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    Max, it might be possible to do it by hand but man it'd be tough.

    On related note, after my last post I went ahead and did the rear as well. The front seems to be holding air consistently while I've had a tiny amount bleed out of the rear. I've had to top it off a couple of times but nothing major. I've noticed it bubbling out of the seam but it's intermittent and it's not enough to cause me any major grief. I keep the pump handy just in case.

    I actually ran the bike in a local "Funduro" event this weekend that was setup as a family event. Obviously I wasn't competitive, but I had a hell of a lot of fun doing it and it was a good test of the Fatty Stripper setup... trial by fire I suppose. I didn't have a single burp or issue of any kind. I did however get lots of funny looks and a few comments.

    "That looks like fun."

    "What PSI do you run in those things?"

    and one of my favs...

    Seriously equipped Enduro rider - "Hey man, I think you need air."
    Me - "Oh you mean the rear tire? No, it's supposed to be like that."
    Enduro rider - [mystified look] I don't remember exactly what he said at this point, but he was shocked obviously.

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    Anyone know who makes the syncros hubs? I want to change the freehub on my big ed to XD. Thanks!

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