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    New geese on the way...

    Out riding yesterday, ran into someone on a mongoose prototype. Looks to be a serious competitor to the mukluk, he said priced around $1000... looked like a nice bike, rolling on 100mm rims, 190 back end. SLX. Sounds like it'll be released sometime around summer.

    Also, there's a new wall-goose coming. Also 190, discs. "decent geometry" was also mentioned. apparently very soon, like within the next couple weeks.

    So there's that.

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    Re: New geese on the way...

    190 rear, hundies, and slx- all for ~1k??? Believe it when I see it.

    I'm betting the spec sheet takes a hit or the price is higher. Notice what tyres?

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    Rims were the same ones on the wall-goose- said the guy "they're strong, their reasonably light" - tires were tires. Might have been the same ones from the wallgoose. didn't check. Overall weight wasn't bad. Not light, not heavy. reasonable.

    No reason for 190 to be more expensive than 170 when you're a division of Pacific (the largest bike shaped object seller in the world) and you can get (generic taiwanese hub-maker) to run you a couple thousand cheap.

    I have no doubt it'll be pretty close to what I saw and at a price that's pretty close. Also don't doubt that there will be compromises that keep it at that price point, like tires, etc. This was a pretty polished prototype.That said, it looked pretty decent.

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    Good... this whole fat bike thing was getting stale anyway. I'm glad anyone and everyone has now jumped on board to saturate the market with their fat bike copy. Now the companies that do the actual real innovation can start to come up with the "next big thing".
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    Re: New geese on the way...

    Not to nitpick, but I'd see it as more of an on-one competitor than a muk competitor. For us on the west side of the pond anyway, both are likely direct order vs muk being a shop brand. I haven't priced a muk, but the price/value(speculated) seems to undershoot the muk by a margin.

    Re: tires were tires. It's a more important spec than rear mech. One can upgrade most parts of a fatbike, including a rigid fork, for less than a pair of tires. I know you know that, BTW, I'm just saying that any bike with vee whatever tires gets an automatic +150 added to the price in my book.

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    Yup, tires are important, but hey, you can't get everything and keep the price low.

    I'm just happy to see more companies getting in on it.

    I don't know what kind of innovation there is to do with fatbikes, I mean, they're a pretty simple concept- take a rigid bike, add really big tires, go... So I'm happy to see ne companies get involved and find ways to make them cheaper.

    I'm sure that folks who bought mountain bikes pre stumpjumper said the same kind of things, that all these new guys are just jumping on the bandwagon and that no one is gonna innovate ever again, and that kinda turned out wrong. so I'm not too worried.

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    I heard (from as reliable a source as you can get) that there are performance inspired fat bikes starting to arrive here in the States any time now at a landed price of just a hair over $400. It looks like they will be retailing for right about $1k so your meeting pretty much corroborates the story. I have some feelers out but I think I know where the frames come from which gives me a pretty good idea what the spec likely is too.

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    I'm skeptical of the so-called bargain fatbikes, and their impact on the market. I built up a new Pugs 3 years ago with no throwaway parts for around $1600. The friggin' Nashbar fatbike is now listed at $2000! The majority of the new tires introduced during that time appear to be underwhelming at best, and I don't see much happening in the low-to-id range of fat rims, either. In some ways, the price of a viable fatbike seems to have crept up a bit. I think the entry level Pugs is now around $1700 vs $1300 a few years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    The friggin' Nashbar fatbike is now listed at $2000! The majority of the new tires introduced during that time appear to be underwhelming at best, and I don't see much happening in the low-to-id range of fat rims, either. In some ways, the price of a viable fatbike seems to have crept up a bit. I think the entry level Pugs is now around $1700 vs $1300 a few years ago.
    I think you mean $1,000 for the Nashbar? I dunno... I'm in the same boat with paying just a little bit extra. I was to my local Scheels Sports store the other day and they had Mukluks at $1499 for the entry model... in a really awesome black that made me think it was the carbon beargrease out of the corner of my eye. The complete bike is listed on Salsa's website at $1850 msrp... so shop around and you can get $350 off for a well-spec'd and proven bike... with Nate tires.
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    The Nashbar bike did go up in price to $2,000, but I suspect that's just so they can say its 50% off in their next sale. There's no way they are going to actually sell that bike for more than a Pugs, not going to happen (and I think they know that).

    As an owner of a cheap fat bike, I can tell you I am 100% satisfied, yep I pumped another $300 or so into it, but I have a fat bike that is about the right weight and works great for around $1,200. I looked at the spec on the Pugs before I bought this bike and I just don't see anything more in that bike than I got in mine.

    I was at EMS this weekend, they had a Kona Wo on the floor for $1699 marked down to $1399 - the build on that bike was no better than the build on mine when I bought it for $899 (I don't like the look of the Wo, but that's just personal preference).

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    New geese on the way...-screen-shot-2014-02-03-1.54.32-pm.png
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    It was $2k yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    I think you mean $1,000 for the Nashbar?
    Yeah, something funny's going on with the Nashbar pricing. I saw an online ad on another site showing the price at $1999, but today on Nashbar's site it's at $999. It says "Compare at $1999."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    It was $2k yesterday.
    Thanks for verifying I wasn't the only one who saw that!
    Not the first time, either: Nashbar Fat Bike, who else pulled the trigger?

    See post #43.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    I'm skeptical of the so-called bargain fatbikes, and their impact on the market. I built up a new Pugs 3 years ago with no throwaway parts for around $1600. The friggin' Nashbar fatbike is now listed at $2000! The majority of the new tires introduced during that time appear to be underwhelming at best, and I don't see much happening in the low-to-id range of fat rims, either. In some ways, the price of a viable fatbike seems to have crept up a bit. I think the entry level Pugs is now around $1700 vs $1300 a few years ago.
    Perhaps these cheap fat bikes won't drive Surly/Salsa prices down, but there are going to be thousands of folks riding fat bikes who might not otherwise. The avalanche is just getting started. Shy the bad rubber, these new cheap options are very much in line with what Salsa and Surly have been putting out on the low end models. Most these bargain bikes are just hitting the market. My guess is that Surly/Salsa/Specialized will try to own the $2000 fat bike in the next year or two. This means the specs on bikes in those ranges will be getting better.

    So I guess I'm saying that the "so-called" bargain bikes are going to have a huge impact on the market. They already are. It's winter, and there's discounted Salsa and Surly fat bikes on the show room floor. Course, Surly/QPB are going to be selling a lot more tires than before to all the bargain upgraders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Danger View Post
    It's winter, and there's discounted Salsa and Surly fat bikes on the show room floor. Course, Surly/QPB are going to be selling a lot more tires than before to all the bargain upgraders.
    True! LBS had a 20% off all fatbikes sale last week, including carbon Beargreases. A few people I know were twitching, trying to hang on to their credit cards.

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    So now Cannondale's parent company has Charge and Mongoose doing fat bikes, and Mongoose doing a rework from the sounds of it, to make it somewhat legit.

    How much longer you gonna be wit dat Fat Lefty Cannondale???

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    Nice meeting you Buckfidious, nice to know you're local. Nice looking Salsa you had too We're lucky to live in an area where the trails are so close and well tracked. I make it out daily at lunch.
    We have a couple IBD versions we're working on.

    Here are the mass bikes that will be coming out shortly.1x7 freewheel, disc brakes, 190 rear, 100 bb and the geo is the simular to what we see on on most ibd fat bikes, betweeen a medium and large size. This particular sample has alot of riding time under it's belt and feels great. retail should be under $300 and available in a couple weeks.


    Also a nice little 20"
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    Got any closer shots you can share? What is the approximate weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skota23 View Post
    Nice meeting you Buckfidious, nice to know you're local. Nice looking Salsa you had too We're lucky to live in an area where the trails are so close and well tracked. I make it out daily at lunch.
    We have a couple IBD versions we're working on.

    Here are the mass bikes that will be coming out shortly.1x7 freewheel, disc brakes, 190 rear, 100 bb and the geo is the simular to what we see on on most ibd fat bikes, betweeen a medium and large size. This particular sample has alot of riding time under it's belt and feels great. retail should be under $300 and available in a couple weeks.


    Also a nice little 20"
    Awesome! Felt a little guilty posting anything, didn't want to get anyone in trouble.

    That 20 looks amazing... I think my daughter may need a fatbike...

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    If that 20" fits my son....he'd be the happiest kid alive...

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    Wow! For that price, I can see lots of people here (Canada) riding those in the winter.

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    I am assuming from what skota23 wrote, "and the geo is the simular to what we see on on most ibd fat bikes, betweeen a medium and large size" means there will be only one size available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skota23 View Post
    Wow. So I'm guessing they will still come with really low-end boat anchor tires but bigger? Looks like you are running Bud & Lou on this one? Still... holy crap for that price. Throw Bud/Lou on, Carver fork, and you are still at $900 total upgraded.
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    This is GREAT news Skota23! These new bikes will be HUGE hits at that pricepoint, perfect timing. I'm turning into a big Mongoose fan.... not everyone want's or needs a high end bike. With the new Mongoose, I can now get friends and family into fatbiking super cheap. Where will be the beast place to buy them, Walmart?

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    ha, great to hear. I believe they will be at Walmart first, but there are other retailers who are taking them as well.

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    My Dad wants a fatbike and I was very close to getting another original Beast, but couldn't bring myself to go through the fabricating process again of turning it into a rideable, geared, and disc braked fatbike. The new bikes solve this! My main issues with the original Beast, besides lack of gears and good brakes, is the BB is too far forward causing lessened rear wheel traction, as well as toe overlap with the front tire hitting the feet.
    Not a fault of Mongoose because they never intended it to be anything more than a cruiser.
    The one size fits all is not a problem in my eyes. I'm 6'4" and the frame fits me just fine with a longer seat post. I'm of the opinion a more comfortable upright riding position is better on a fatbike, which is what most people buying a low budget bike will prefer anyway. It's mostly the racer go fast types that like to be stretched out and bent over with a longer frame, and they will be riding higher end bikes anyway. Nothing against that kind of riding, I like my go fast bikes too, but like to change it up and ride more upright when racing isn't on the menu.

    Kudo's to Mongoose for seeing the low and mid end markets potential and coming out with a REAL fatbike. I'm sure Mongoose's higher"ish" end fatbike isn't far behind and hopefully we'll see Chris Akrigg riding and making a cool video on one soon. Any chance of getting a light weight higher end version one over to him in the UK and talking him into making a vid?

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    Is this a steel or aluminum frame/fork?

    I'm still in awe of the price.

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    Looks to be steel for sure. Same as the Beast, high tensile I'm guessing.

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    Skota -

    ETA on the IBD bikes? Can you leak some info on those?

    Also, price on the 20" bike?
    I think I might be in for a pair of those!

    Thanks for the info.

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    No firm date yet, we're pushing.

    20" should be around $250
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    So...... I did some digging and was able to get a closer up pic and a little more info on the new fat Mongoose that will be available from Walmart and the likes in a couple weeks, but not sure if it's ok to share. Don't want to get anyone in trouble. It's the same bike model Skota posted, just closer up. How about it Skota, can I post the pic or should I just keep it to myself until the bikes actual release?

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    New geese on the way...

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    skota did you say freewheel? That hub won't last long... Nice on the 20"! Fat families are happy families

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    This could be interesting; the market is exploding in the way that mountain bikes dwarfed the sales of road bikes, cruisers, etc. back around 1986. Of course, during that time we got booted out of just about everything that really attracted us.

    A couple of years ago, fat bikes on snomobile trails and X-C ski trails was an oddity. Now the National park Service puts warnings up on web pages to keep us reigned in, and a fat biker recently tweeted about getting fined for riding on a Montana Sno-Mo trail.

    As it stands, access to ride is limited; there are a few purpose-groomed trail systems around, and riders are finding little scraps if riding here and there. Further, winter conditions seem to bear heavily on the bikes' utility; here in MN a lot of sub-zero weather has hampered our ability to ride, as well as ensuring that the sno base was less than great to ride on (trails don't seem to want to pack hard and its hard to ride in 20" of powder).

    But with all these new riders, pressure for access will increase, and access will come. I suggest that its up up to us with a little experience to coach those less fortunate so they have a great time, and avoid the temptation to cause tension. Work with your bike clubs to create a positive image and all that.

    These sub $1000 bikes will mostly spec pretty sketchy parts; could be a heyday for the industry as well as they break and need TLC. Hopefully it won't mean fat tires rotting in the recyclers' junk piles...

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    Montana National forests are Anti Fat Bike !!! It's true and it SUCKS! Moongoose bikes look great!

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    New geese on the way...

    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Danger View Post
    So I guess I'm saying that the "so-called" bargain bikes are going to have a huge impact on the market. They already are. It's winter, and there's discounted Salsa and Surly fat bikes on the show room floor. Course, Surly/QPB are going to be selling a lot more tires than before to all the bargain upgraders.
    Very interesting perspective and I can be one anecdotal story to support this. At the start of winter I was trying to decide between a Pug or Farley and at the last minute a Mukluk 3 (on sales for $1450 at my LBS). In the end I went with a Minnesota 2.0 ($900) and used the saved $$$ to buy a Bud and Nate along with some tasty XT upgrades for my summer bike.


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    So, will we get to see a closer picture???

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    lol at the snobs who say surly makes "value" conscious bikes.. lol.. $1k+ is not value.

    $300 is more like it for these simple welded together steel tubes and rubber.

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    Sign me up!! Any specific dates for availability??
    I have a moded up Beast and love it.

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    Ok, well since i didn't get a no to posting the pic, here's a closer up pic of the sub $300 bike, Looks like it will have a threadless steerer tube too.

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    YES! my new town bike!

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    I've got a new beast showing up today. I'm wondering if I should have waited? I like the frame and fork. I can't return the one coming though because it was ordered thru my work.

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    My son would love a 20" fat bike.

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    that looks like a great deal if it's really going to come in at 300 dollars....


    that pretty much addresses everything I don't like about my current beast

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    Looks like a good cheap winter commuter for those of us with heavily salted roads :-)

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    Is it just me, or does it look to have a bit more cruiser geometry than most fatties? Not that one really can complain at that price point. It looks like I may be able to get a fatty...if I can find somewhere to hide it from the Mrs.

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    Can't wait or should I say my son can't wait for the 20!

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    looks like a 1X9 on new $300 Beast??
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    Quote Originally Posted by FatBikeNoob View Post
    looks like a 1X9 on new $300 Beast??
    1x7 I bet
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