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    Quote Originally Posted by dfiler View Post
    My bluto is shipping today! We should be seeing more pictures of these in the wild soon.

    But unfortunately my build is far from complete so it'll be a while before this one sees any action.
    I'm in the same boat, just got the tracking number but they keep stalling on getting my frame done <a*href="http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php" title="Smiley"><img src="http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angry007.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0" /></a>

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfiler View Post
    My bluto is shipping today! We should be seeing more pictures of these in the wild soon.

    But unfortunately my build is far from complete so it'll be a while before this one sees any action.
    Looks like I need to call my Local Shop to see if mine is shipping.

    ps What parts do you need I have a boat load of stuff laying around including a wheel sets
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    Got any spare carbon frames with a downtube that clears a bluto and 197x12mm rear spacing that clears a 4.7" tire on 100mm rims?

    Nah, I'm waiting to see if a cheap carbon frame order pans out in the relatively near future.

    I have a feeling a lot of people will want to put a bluto on their current frame. There will soon be a glut of used 135mm front wheels, hubs and forks on the market as people move to 150mm front spacing for blutos.

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    Nope no Carbon Frames.

    The good news is both of my Wheel Sets can swap out to any hub configuration.

    I have i9 hubs w/ Hed Carbon and the Surley3 hubs w/ Holy Roller Rims. I learned on my last set of wheels not to get locked into a certain size hub.
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    Does the i9 front hub require re-dishing to work with the spacers that convert it from 135mm to 150mm? That's what this article suggested:
    SOC 14: Industry Nine Introduces Ultralite Carbon CX Wheels, 150mm Fat Bike Hub Adapter
    Does dishing 7.5mm to the side will require new spokes too?

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    Was at Pedal in Littleton CO, they had both a Borealis Echo and Yampa set up with Bluto shocks. Don't know if they were 80 or 100mm. Rode the Yampa around the parking lot. This thing is totally going on my BG, probably later this year.

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    I will be going the other way as I have the Salsa Carbon fork 15mm x 177 so I am hoping there isn't an issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by dfiler View Post
    Does the i9 front hub require re-dishing to work with the spacers that convert it from 135mm to 150mm? That's what this article suggested:
    SOC 14: Industry Nine Introduces Ultralite Carbon CX Wheels, 150mm Fat Bike Hub Adapter
    Does dishing 7.5mm to the side will require new spokes too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Way2ManyBikes View Post
    I will be going the other way as I have the Salsa Carbon fork 15mm x 177 so I am hoping there isn't an issue.
    You have a Salsa Carbon fork that is a 177mm wide? <a*href="http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php" title="Smiley"><img src="http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-signs006.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0" /></a>

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    New Bluto Thread!

    I sent them an email
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    Quote Originally Posted by Way2ManyBikes View Post
    I sent them an email
    Talked with Dave at i9 last week and the hub is centered and therefore the rim should also be centered. So it's an easy cap swap for me.
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    New Bluto Thread!

    Update. Mine will be in on Thursday and on by the weekend


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    Quote Originally Posted by Way2ManyBikes View Post
    Update. Mine will be in on Thursday and on by the weekend


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    So let me see if I have this right, you are going to take your i9 142mm hub and change one or two caps and it will work without re dishing the wheel?

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    New Bluto Thread!

    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    So let me see if I have this right, you are going to take your i9 142mm hub and change one or two caps and it will work without re dishing the wheel?
    Yep that is the plan
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    I had to re dish a wheel with an I9 hub slightly to be perfectly centered in a Bluto. In all fairness, I didn't see the wheel before it was in the Bluto, but 1 turn off the non drive side and 1 turn on the drive side and it was perfect.
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    Seems odd as the wheel is centered in the Bluto and the same holds true for the Salsa fork
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    Adding 7.5mm wider caps to both sides of the hub will keep the rim and hub centered in the fork. This necessitates bringing the rotor outward 7.5mm or the brake caliper inward by 7.5mm.

    The other option is to add 15mm to the drive side, re-dish the wheel 7.5mm to the drive side and keep the brake rotor/caliper untouched.

    Or of course some combination of the two...

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    You don't have to space the rotor. The caliper posts are way inboard. Everything lines up fine with just the hub spacers.
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    Still haven't seen a proper review of this fork, either here or in the MTB media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Still haven't seen a proper review of this fork, either here or in the MTB media.
    I haven't ridden one, but I currently have one in my possession so I can check the dish on a wheel I'll be building for it tonight. Also felt the one on the Ventana at the shop. feels awesome. Feels almost a pound lighter than the Carver fork.
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    Brown Santa is roaming around the hood right now with mine on board. I will be fitting a Hope hub to it soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Brown Santa is roaming around the hood right now with mine on board. I will be fitting a Hope hub to it soon.
    Nice. I have a daughter getting married in two months and I'm just wrapping up a 26er build for my 9 year old son. It'll be a few months before I can afford one of my own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Still haven't seen a proper review of this fork, either here or in the MTB media.
    Here y'are, condensed version:

    Been riding Bluto since January. It's a wide sus fork. Pretty light for what it is. Thru axle is simple and smooth. Damper is basic, internals will probably require fiddling for most (lighter oil and assembly grease) for sub-zero riding.

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    if only they were making a straight 1-1/8" steerer version. <sigh>
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Here y'are, condensed version:

    Been riding Bluto since January. It's a wide sus fork. Pretty light for what it is. Thru axle is simple and smooth. Damper is basic, internals will probably require fiddling for most (lighter oil and assembly grease) for sub-zero riding.
    Thanks, Mike.
    What's your opinion on how it affects the riding experience? Pros/cons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    You don't have to space the rotor. The caliper posts are way inboard. Everything lines up fine with just the hub spacers.
    No insult intended, but what is the source of that info? From what I had read, the disc mount was front-disc-spacing compatible in the sense that it is the same distance from the left side of the hub as found on all "standard" front hubs of any sort. (excluding rear disc spaced fat front hubs)

    Granted, there hasn't been much info to go on. Here's an interesting quote from bikerumor.com:

    SOC 14: Industry Nine Introduces Ultralite Carbon CX Wheels, 150mm Fat Bike Hub Adapter
    Rather than making an entirely new hub, i9 is offering a replacement non-disc side end cap that will make their 135◊15 hub Bluto compatible.

    The end cap adds 15mm in width to the hub, and requires a 7.5mm adjustment in dish to the non disc side which could mean that new spokes are needed depending on the build. One of the benefits of the 150mm spacing is that the resultant wheel is build with zero dish for improved strength especially on a fat bike. End cap kits to switch from a 135mm QR hub will run $30, and a single 150mm end cap will run $15 to switch from a 135x15mm set up
    .

    That suggests that the caliper mount isn't more inboard than usual and that the rotor or caliper would have to be shifted if 7.5mm caps were added to both sides of a 135mm hub.

    I kind of like your take on it though. In the short run, it would be convenient if 135mm and 150mm fat front hubs could be swapped with simple end cap changes. It would mean that my 135x15mm hope front hub could be used once hope releases the appropriate end caps. Yesterday I noticed that a lot of websites are offering hope 150mm front hubs for pre-order. But as of yet, no end caps have been announced/leaked.

    In the long run though, perhaps it would be better for 150mm to emerge as the standard and for it to use standard front disc spacing from the left side of the hub. The tradeoff would be that wheels couldn't easily be switched between 135mm and 150mm spaced forks.

    Comparing photos it's hard to tell but it looks like the caliper mount isn't further inboard on the bluto.

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    lol, the answer appeared in this forum shortly after I posted the above theorizing.

    According to this thread:
    Bluto + Hope 135 Hub hack.

    Symmetrical/identical spacers were used on each side of the hub. Then it looks like an offset caliper adapter was used to move the caliper inboard 7.5mm. Pretty simple really. I hope Hope offers the end caps soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfiler View Post
    lol, the answer appeared in this forum shortly after I posted the above theorizing.

    According to this thread:
    Bluto + Hope 135 Hub hack.

    Symmetrical/identical spacers were used on each side of the hub. Then it looks like an offset caliper adapter was used to move the caliper inboard 7.5mm. Pretty simple really. I hope Hope offers the end caps soon.
    I still can't wrap my head around how a 135/142 hub can be used on a Bluto without re dishing the wheel or moving the rotor or caliper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I still can't wrap my head around how a 135/142 hub can be used on a Bluto without re dishing the wheel or moving the rotor or caliper.
    They are moving the brake caliper in using a White Brothers Snowpack brake adapter:

    Fatbikes.com White Brother Snowpack Adaptor

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJones View Post
    They are moving the brake caliper in using a White Brothers Snowpack brake adapter:

    Fatbikes.com White Brother Snowpack Adaptor
    Oh now I get it that makes sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfiler View Post
    No insult intended, but what is the source of that info? From what I had read, the disc mount was front-disc-spacing compatible in the sense that it is the same distance from the left side of the hub as found on all "standard" front hubs of any sort. (excluding rear disc spaced fat front hubs)
    No insult taken at all. I adjusted the dish on a wheel mounted in a Bluto and took a good, long look at how everything fit. I also have one because I'm building a wheel for a customer and want it to be right the first time. I can take a pic of the brake posts if you like but I have no idea how to post pics. I can email them to you.
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    I've now got a bluto in hand and can confirm that the brake mount is the same distance from the left side of the hub as a regular fork. That means that the brake caliper does need to move inward 7.5mm if putting symmetrical (7.5mm) spacers on each side of a 135mm hub. Or similarly, the rotor could be moved 7.5mm outward on a front brake spaced hub or 12.5mm outward on a rear disk spaced front hub.

    The white brothers brake mount adapter mentioned a couple posts back moves the caliper inward 5mm which gets it pretty close. Combined with washers behind the rotar on a FDS 135mm hub, it would be perfect.

    NYrr496, ahhh... you adjusted the dish, meaning that the regular cap must have been used on the brake side of the hub and a 15mm longer cap used on the drive side. Then the caliper can stay in the normal position while the rim is dished 7.5mm toward the drive side.

    Whew. I think that's straightened out now. This will probably be a popular topic and point of confusion with people wanting to put a bluto on their current bike. That is assuming that the hub manufacturers offer interchangeable caps for their current 135mm front hubs to be converted to 150mm for use with a bluto.

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    The wheel I had to adjust was on an I9 hub. Had spacers on the axle but not the rotor or caliper. All the brake stuff was bolted straight up.
    I just minutes ago completed a Rolling Darryl on a 150mm Salsa hub. It built up dished like any other fat wheel. Didn't have to adjust anything. No spacers on the axle. It all fits like it's supposed to.
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    https://www.facebook.com/cyclehaven/...type=1&theater

    Not the greatest pic but this was the wheel I dished. One turn ccw on the non drive side and one turn cw on the drive side. It was only slightly off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfiler View Post
    I've now got a bluto in hand and can confirm that the brake mount is the same distance from the left side of the hub as a regular fork. That means that the brake caliper does need to move inward 7.5mm if putting symmetrical (7.5mm) spacers on each side of a 135mm hub. Or similarly, the rotor could be moved 7.5mm outward on a front brake spaced hub or 12.5mm outward on a rear disk spaced front hub.

    The white brothers brake mount adapter mentioned a couple posts back moves the caliper inward 5mm which gets it pretty close. Combined with washers behind the rotar on a FDS 135mm hub, it would be perfect.
    There is room on the White adapter to file the holes to gain the extra 2.5mm if needed. I didn't need to but I might anyways because I'm about maxed out on the slots on the caliper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    https://www.facebook.com/cyclehaven/...type=1&theater

    Not the greatest pic but this was the wheel I dished. One turn ccw on the non drive side and one turn cw on the drive side. It was only slightly off.
    Thanks. That picture seems to confirm that 15mm was added to the cap on the drive side with 0mm added to brake side. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfiler View Post
    Thanks. That picture seems to confirm that 15mm was added to the cap on the drive side with 0mm added to brake side. Right?
    That's what I thought until I got there. It has a spacer on the brake side as well. I'm not there all the time, so I can't verify if both spacers are the same size until Saturday. I'm pretty sure I9 made that hub specifically for that fork.
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    According to the bikerumor details I linked earlier, i9 simply extended the drive side cap 15mm. There is still a cap on each side, as with most hubs. However the drive side is 15mm longer than i9 previously used for 135mm spaced forks.

    Are you saying there is a cap and a spacer on the brake side? Or perhaps that there was a replacement brake side cap? I would think that i9 would ship it with one cap per side with the drive side cap being 15mm longer for use in 150mm spacing forks.

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    I saw the pic I showed you while I was at work. I was sure there was a spacer on the drive side only and I would have to dish the wheel toward the drive side a healthy bit.
    I got there to pick up wheels and saw that wheel only needed to go about 1/8" toward the drive side. Like I stated earlier, it only took one turn of each spoke on each side.
    I saw spacers on both sides, no spacer on the rotor and the caliper was bolted straight to the posts.
    I'll see if I can get Derrick to post better pics or I'll take some when I go on Saturday to drop off wheels.
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    New Bluto Thread!

    Anyone want a brand new 90mm bluto with lockout.

    I currently have the salsa carbon fork which is centered and my plan was to do a simple adapter swap with my i9 hubs however since the bluto needs a 7.5mm offset I can't easily swap forks for summer/ winter riding.

    To make matters worse I would have to send the wheel back to HED for them to offset the wheel every season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Way2ManyBikes View Post
    Anyone want a brand new 90mm bluto with lockout.

    I currently have the salsa carbon fork which is centered and my plan was to do a simple adapter swap with my i9 hubs however since the bluto needs a 7.5mm offset I can't easily swap forks for summer/ winter riding.

    To make matters worse I would have to send the wheel back to HED for them to offset the wheel every season.
    Don't want to say I told you so but this is what I have been trying to tell you. You could always have end caps made like this which would allow you to switch back and forth Bluto + Hope 135 Hub hack.

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    New Bluto Thread!

    I talked to SRAM and they told me it was centered and that it wouldn't be a problem switching back and fourth.

    Tomorrow. I plan to call the bike shop and ask them if they can send it back. Hopefully Fox or someone else will make a centered fork but for now the bike will just collect dust till winter.

    Ps I do owe you an apology as you were right
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    Quote Originally Posted by Way2ManyBikes View Post
    I talked to SRAM and they told me it was centered and that it wouldn't be a problem switching back and fourth.

    Tomorrow. I plan to call the bike shop and ask them if they can send it back. Hopefully Fox or someone else will make a centered fork but for now the bike will just collect dust till winter.

    Ps I do owe you an apology as you were right
    No way dude you owe me nothin You aren't quite wrapping your brain around this fork yet though. The fork is centered but your hub is too narrow for it so by adding the longer end cap on the non disc side only to keep your rotor in the proper position YOU are creating the need to offset your wheel.

    P.S. I can switch my wheel between Bluto and my Borealis fork without re-dishing the wheel.
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    New Bluto Thread!

    I've asked the guys at i9 if they will make a custom centered set for my wheel set. I would then need to have a bracket made to center the caliper.

    Or I just send the fork back and save the $1,000 dollars


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    New Bluto Thread!

    Okay now that I am a little less angry with all of the stupid hub spacings it looks like I am going to have two 4mm shims made and then have a offset bracket made allow the caliper to sit in the correct location.

    It's just more money and more parts just hanging around waiting to get used.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Way2ManyBikes View Post
    Okay now that I am a little less angry with all of the stupid hub spacings it looks like I am going to have two 4mm shims made and then have a offset bracket made allow the caliper to sit in the correct location.

    It's just more money and more parts just hanging around waiting to get used.


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    Now ya got it and you can just get one of these, it shims it over 5mm but with the slop in the holes or with a little file action it will work great. Fatbikes.com White Brother Snowpack Adaptor you will just need to use a 180mm rotor or you can just shim the rotor out 4mm very easy as well.

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    New Bluto Thread!

    I will order one in the morning.

    Thank you again for all of your help


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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Oh now I get it that makes sense
    lol nice

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    It's only money... Just build another wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    It's only money... Just build another wheel.
    lol- thought about that but that would be another 1,000 dollars
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    Maybe I missed it, but has anyone confirmed the weight with that specified? (1,796g (3.96lb))

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