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    Need Advice Befor i Purchase a Mukluk

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    Im about to purchase my first fat bike that is probably a Mukluk 2 2014. Ive never fat biked before so I have no experience, im hoping I can learn from all of you. I intend to make it a daily commuter on the roads year round. I only ride 2km in but its a steep hill all the way. I will ride the bike on snow packed trails and logging roads in winter in varied conditions, we get a lot of snow, snow type ranges from deep soft powder to heaver wet snow. Also everywhere is a steep climb, not much xc around here. I need some advice please.

    1/ The 2014 mukluk has a 170mm rear end and can only take a 80mm rim. Should I be purchasing a 190mm rear end bike to future proof it? Will the 170mm of the mukluk be limiting or out of date soon?

    2/ assuming I get the mukluk. Should I upgrade the tires at purchase time with the LBS? I think they are the 3.8 should I put the 4.8 upfront? The fork will take it. It comes with an 80mm rim. What about the rear? Its 80mm rim? Is it worth putting on a 4.8 tire, im told it will clear the frame, just. Is it worth it?

    3/ if I went for a 190mm bike, Will a 190mm hub, 100mm rim/5 tire be too much for climbing steep hills or commuting on the road and general winter trail riding considering it will often include long climbs.

    Cheers for your advice
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    You should be fine with a Mukluk 2. It's a great bike. I think they're shipping with Nates F/R, which will be fine for your conditions. I would ride them through Winter (assuming you're Northern Hemisphere and winter is about to be here), then buy a second set of more summer-y tires in 6 months.

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    I don't want to tell you what to do, but here's my opinion...
    The last two fat bikes I rode had 82mm Darryls and Husker DU tires. They rolled nice and fast and had a lot of flotation. I weigh 260 pounds. You'll probably be fine.
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    Thanks for all the advice, it has really helped me finalize my decision on the muk 2.
    The advice is appreciated.

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    It will be fine. Nates are good. If you really want more flotation get a set of Lous and Buds later on.

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    will a lou work well on an 80mm rim?

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    From what you stated that you will be riding for terrain, and also commuting... I wouldn't go with the biggest tires. Yes they are great when you need super floating power... but when I ride on groomed or packed snow I feel they are overkill. I rode some groomed/packed singletrack trails last winter and some were out there doing just fine with a 3" knard. I'm 220 so I like 4.8's, but even with those there is still some snow you just can't get through without pushing. If you ever want to go bigger with the Mukluk you could get the new Fatback Sterling tire when it comes out - 4.2". Should be no problem.

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    will a lou work well on an 80mm rim?
    I think someone posted that they squeezed it in... but definitely not recommended and you will have no clearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Normwood View Post
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    I picked mine up almost three weeks ago and have been riding and enjoying the hell out of it. It's a great bike and will do you well.

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    Cheers Mate, I would love to see a couple of pics of it.

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    I have 100mm clownshoes on mine, and with one cog removed I have a perfectly working 1x8 with room for both my 3.8 larrys and 3.8 knards no problem. It appears nates would fit too, and thats on clownshoes.

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    great, 100mm rims with 3.8 tires fit. will the bigger tires fit? 4.8 on a 100mm rims?
    im going for it, calling the shop tomorrow to buy it, mukluk 2 in orange. i still get the last minute doubts about spending the cash, just bought a $6000 free ride bike last year. so $2400 mukluk is cheap, it will be ridden 6 days a week both on and off road. the other bike only gets ridden 3x/wk. sorry for the rambling on, just getting nervous about the purchase of a niche bike but ive had wet dreams of fat bike since i discovered them last year.
    thanks for all of your advice.

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    I have the first generation Muk2 and still ride it as my primary bike, just because its fun. Singletrack, pavement, rails to trails, snow trails, whatever. Just ride it and have fun. I would stay with the current sized tires/rims, etc for now. You'll enjoy the weight savings over the 4.8s that look like overkill on the singletrack. If you feel it necessary to upgrade in the future, so be it. Have fun!

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    Cheers Mate, I would love to see a couple of pics of it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by kpw2011 View Post
    great, 100mm rims with 3.8 tires fit. will the bigger tires fit? 4.8 on a 100mm rims?
    im going for it, calling the shop tomorrow to buy it, mukluk 2 in orange. i still get the last minute doubts about spending the cash, just bought a $6000 free ride bike last year. so $2400 mukluk is cheap, it will be ridden 6 days a week both on and off road. the other bike only gets ridden 3x/wk. sorry for the rambling on, just getting nervous about the purchase of a niche bike but ive had wet dreams of fat bike since i discovered them last year.
    thanks for all of your advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpw2011 View Post
    great, 100mm rims with 3.8 tires fit. will the bigger tires fit? 4.8 on a 100mm rims?
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    Re: Need Advice Befor i Purchase a Mukluk

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    will a lou work well on an 80mm rim?
    I have a bud on 70mm rim works good also 80 should be good

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    Lou will NOT fit the Mukluk. You can fit a Bud in the fork easily.

    I think the new Muk2 suits your needs perfectly, it's a great bike this year. I wouldn't change anything from the stock spec besides contact points (saddle/bars/grips). The 82mm rims with Nates will work for most all snow conditions. In the summer maybe swap to a faster rolling tire like the Black Floyd or Vee Speedster. Or build up a 29+ wheelset with 29x3 Surly Knards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpw2011 View Post
    great, 100mm rims with 3.8 tires fit. will the bigger tires fit? 4.8 on a 100mm rims?
    im going for it, calling the shop tomorrow to buy it, mukluk 2 in orange. i still get the last minute doubts about spending the cash, just bought a $6000 free ride bike last year. so $2400 mukluk is cheap, it will be ridden 6 days a week both on and off road. the other bike only gets ridden 3x/wk. sorry for the rambling on, just getting nervous about the purchase of a niche bike but ive had wet dreams of fat bike since i discovered them last year.
    thanks for all of your advice.
    If you're riding it every day, it's not a niche bike. A $6000.00 free ride bike? THAT's a niche bike.
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    That looks amazing. Great pic, beautiful bike mate. cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpw2011 View Post
    snow type ranges from deep soft powder.
    I ride an outdated....errr I mean classic fatbike with 135mm offset front and rear that can only take 82mm rims and the skinnier of the 4.7" tires.

    I think a lot of people go uber fat gratuitously and I would steer them to a 4" tire fatbike OTOH if you will be dealing with lots of deep soft powder that is the reason there are 5" fat bikes like the Moonlander and the new 190mm bikes.

    If you are talking a handful of uber soft days a winter it's not worth the cost, but if that's a regular occurrence I'd buy a fatbike that can take 100mm rims and all available tires.
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    3.8 Nates should be fine, but if you do find yourself needing more float Bud/Lou WILL fit on a Mukluk on 80s. I ran them all last winter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 47flattie View Post
    3.8 Nates should be fine, but if you do find yourself needing more float Bud/Lou WILL fit on a Mukluk on 80s. I ran them all last winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Normwood View Post



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    I love the rim tape colour choice. It looks so good. great looking bike.

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    I love the rim tape colour choice. It looks so good. great looking bike.
    Thank you!

    I questioned the color when I picked up the rim strips at the shop but once I installed them I thought they looked great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 47flattie View Post
    3.8 Nates should be fine, but if you do find yourself needing more float Bud/Lou WILL fit on a Mukluk on 80s. I ran them all last winter.

    your bike looks great. love the tires, i just noticed they are 4.8" tires. they do look a lot larger and if run at lo pressure the will spread out under the weight and provide more float. they look so good.

    cheers for the pic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Normwood View Post



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    what size is your mukluk 2 frame? i love the steep sloping top tube, not all sizes have that.
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    "We get lots of snow"

    I'm gonna go against the grain here and recommend that you go for a 190 frame. If it were a Muk 3 it might be different, but for the price of a Muk 2 you could get a 190 907, Fatback, or Spec Fatboy. Think of it this way: you're a lot more likely to wonder "what if" (a.k.a. buyer's remorse) if you buy the Muk and can't go on deep snow days, than if you buy a 190 frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I ride an outdated....errr I mean classic fatbike with 135mm offset front and rear that can only take 82mm rims and the skinnier of the 4.7" tires.

    I think a lot of people go uber fat gratuitously and I would steer them to a 4" tire fatbike OTOH if you will be dealing with lots of deep soft powder that is the reason there are 5" fat bikes like the Moonlander and the new 190mm bikes.
    I have to disagree a bit Vik. I suppose it depends on how you define deep but in my experience no bike can go through deep snow. Where 5" tires shine is on marginally packed trails. In my neck of the woods the trails are almost always packed enough for 4" tires. If you ride furfher from town then maybe wider tires are better. As others have said no one size fits all, know what you will be riding on and buy accordingly. Sometimes though a guy has to have what he has to have, but at least he should know the tradeoffs with what he is getting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    I suppose it depends on how you define deep but in my experience no bike can go through deep snow. Where 5" tires shine is on marginally packed trails.
    In my (admittedly limited) experience, the range of conditions that lie between what a 4" Nate can travel and what no bike can travel is a pretty small margin. I'm not sure that a bike with a 190mm hub wouldn't come with it's own set of buyer's remorse issues as well. Regardless, I'm very happy with my 170mm Mukluk 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ant-Eater View Post
    In my (admittedly limited) experience, the range of conditions that lie between what a 4" Nate can travel and what no bike can travel is a pretty small margin. I'm not sure that a bike with a 190mm hub wouldn't come with it's own set of buyer's remorse issues as well. Regardless, I'm very happy with my 170mm Mukluk 3.
    Your observation about the range of conditions rings true with my experience too.

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    i will be traveling on packed trails and snow mobile packed logging roads closer to town that typically 2 to 4 ft of snow off the trail. walking off tail even with snow shoes is hard work and i sink. so riding on the trails is the only option. and there arent very many packed trails around.

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    I have a custom 2014 mukluk 2 with clown shoes and nates. 1x10 drivetrain and can use all gears. Love it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 47flattie View Post
    3.8 Nates should be fine, but if you do find yourself needing more float Bud/Lou WILL fit on a Mukluk on 80s. I ran them all last winter.

    Are the bud/lou tires on an 80mm rim much wider and the 3.8" tires on the same rim? did you notice an improvement on softer trails? did they have any disadvantages over a 3.8 on an 80mm rim? what were the bud/lou like climbing on long climbs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpw2011 View Post
    Are the bud/lou tires on an 80mm rim much wider and the 3.8" tires on the same rim? did you notice an improvement on softer trails? did they have any disadvantages over a 3.8 on an 80mm rim? what were the bud/lou like climbing on long climbs?
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    The width and diameter of bud/lou are massive compared to 3.8s on the same rim. Mine are approximately 116mm wide and 30.5" tall. The majority of my winter riding consists of semi-packed singletrack with short punchy climbs. When riding with friends of similar weight, 3.8s will often 'punch through' the crust while I keep on pedaling. To me, the traction and float is worth the weight penalty. Your conditions may not warrant the bigguns. Also keep in mind you'll need some drivetrain mods to avoid tire/chain rub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 47flattie View Post
    The width and diameter of bud/lou are massive compared to 3.8s on the same rim. Mine are approximately 116mm wide and 30.5" tall. The majority of my winter riding consists of semi-packed singletrack with short punchy climbs. When riding with friends of similar weight, 3.8s will often 'punch through' the crust while I keep on pedaling. To me, the traction and float is worth the weight penalty. Your conditions may not warrant the bigguns. Also keep in mind you'll need some drivetrain mods to avoid tire/chain rub.
    Im just learning here, what mods did you have to do?
    cheers mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by venom550pm View Post
    I have a custom 2014 mukluk 2 with clown shoes and nates. 1x10 drivetrain and can use all gears. Love it!
    can i see a pic?

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    My advice is yer gonna love it and you will be unable to resist riding off your commute path to enjoy tackling the wide open snow.

    Whatever you get, lighten it up for more fun grunting through the deep snow. I ran 4" tires last year and never felt I had an issue riding but I am looking to try 5" to see the difference.

    You know your weather normality better than I but if I were using my fat as a winter commuter around here, I would go Dillingers.

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    I agree, the 4"/80mm is a great all rounder but we get such a lot of snow that varies so much in its consistency and the trails are steep. I think running 4" in the summer and 5" in the winter for trail riding and commuting would be great.

    Does anybody know what the size difference is between a 5" tire on an 80mm rim is vs 5" on a 100mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpw2011 View Post
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    Does anybody know what the size difference is between a 5" tire on an 80mm rim is vs 5" on a 100mm?
    i can answer my own question, i found this link to tire sizes on different rim sizes.

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    Bud is 6 mm wider on a 100mm rim vs an 80mm.
    LOU is 10mm wider on a 100mm vs 80mm rim.

    Not much difference really.
    I have to agree with what a lot of you have been telling me and i haven't been listening. That 80mm rims are fine and if i want more i can run the BUD/LOU combo on 80mm rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by venom550pm View Post

    This is my first posting a pic I hope it comes out!
    what a great bike, is that your bike? with the clown shoes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 47flattie View Post
    3.8 Nates should be fine, but if you do find yourself needing more float Bud/Lou WILL fit on a Mukluk on 80s. I ran them all last winter.

    I would love to see some more pics of your bike showing off those big tires. Any pics would be appreciated. Cheers

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    KPW2011 did you get a Mukluk2 yet?

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