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    Nates or Snowshoes?

    Looking for opinions on either Surly Nates or Vee Snowshoes for a Charge for mainly snow riding in New England.

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    I've put a lot of snow riding on both and would go with the Nate.

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    I put a Snowshoe on the rear of my Pugs and have never ridden a Nate. I still vote for Nate

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    I have Nates on my Cooker, work great! Here in Northern Canada we get a lot of snow and some wild weather, we have a lot of snow covered ice, so I plan to stud the Nates with grip studs for added traction!

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    Nates are awesome tires. I prefer them to studded Dillingers unless there's a lot of smooth ice in the mix.

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    Wow...I guess Nates it is then! And what about running the Nates tubeless?

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    Quote Originally Posted by in the trees View Post
    Wow...I guess Nates it is then! And what about running the Nates tubeless?
    They work great tubeless on large marge and rolling darryls for me using 2 wraps of sil foam and a 24'' split tube. The only downside to Nate is the price. Great tire otherwise.

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    Great tubeless on Clownshoes with a split tube and Stan's. No foam or anything else.

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    I have yet to run tubeless with them, but from some reading here many have with great success! I'm a newbie here too, but have been following for awhile. I have the cooker too, wanted the pugs but couldn't pass on the deal for the cooker, Nates came with it aswell as stock vee tires!

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    Make sure you get the 120tpi ultralight casings on the Nates. The 27tpi are a bit weighty and stiff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying_Scotsman View Post
    Make sure you get the 120tpi ultralight casings on the Nates. The 27tpi are a bit weighty and stiff.
    Yup. Forgot to mention that!

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    +1 more vote for 120tpi nates crazy traction
    play with the psi level till you get it just right and you will love these tires
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    But if the 120tpi Nates are out of my budget, then it's still the 27tpi Nates over the Snowshoes?

    Aggressive tread (Nate) wins over the extra width (Snowshoe), right?


    And the Vee Mission shouldn't be considered, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by in the trees View Post
    But if the 120tpi Nates are out of my budget, then it's still the 27tpi Nates over the Snowshoes?

    Aggressive tread (Nate) wins over the extra width (Snowshoe), right?


    And the Vee Mission shouldn't be considered, right?
    If you're on a budget, don't discount the On-One Floater. It's very similar to a Snowshoe and about half the price. (About half the price of a Nate as well...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    Nates are awesome tires. I prefer them to studded Dillingers unless there's a lot of smooth ice in the mix.
    Do nates maintain traction when you get out of the saddle? My hudu is okay until I leave the saddle for a climb, then it breaks traction and I am screwed. I may get one to go with the bud up front, which has proven to be excellent

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    The loss of traction might be more of a technique issue vs. traction issue. Out of the saddle try and stay as far back over then rear tire as possible, while pulling up on your bars a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    The loss of traction might be more of a technique issue vs. traction issue. Out of the saddle try and stay as far back over then rear tire as possible, while pulling up on your bars a bit.
    I don't know, weight way back and pull up on your bars while going up hill sounds lke it would be good on video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by in the trees View Post

    Aggressive tread (Nate) wins over the extra width (Snowshoe), right?

    The snowshoe is actually very similar to the nate in size. Vee and Surly measure their tires using different methods.

    On my mukluk, I have 27TPI Nates setup tubeless on Darryls and have been happy with them. There was a very noticeable decrease in rolling resistance after going tubeless. The 120TPI will roll even better because of their signicantly lighter weight and greater sidewall compliance.

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    The best way to measure the true volume of the tire is to measure the distance from tire bead to tire bead, outside to outside, with the tire laid flat. Measure on the inside of the tire.

    I have measured Nates to 220mm, Vee Mission to 227mm and Vee Snowshoe to 238mm.
    Specialized Grund Control is 241mm, Surly BFL 245mm and Bud/Lou around 260mm.

    There will, of course, be variances from tire to tire.
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    If you're talking about the original Snowshoes (not the XL), then the width different between those and Nates are negligible.

    Forget about the Missions - should not be included in this discussion.

    I run a Bud/Nate on my Bigfoot. Amazing traction. I run them about about 3 psi

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    THe 27 tpi Nates are just fine. PSI set to conditions.
    No need for tubeless.
    Put Nates on rims and ride.
    I'm afraid of heights so a 26'r fits me to a T.

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    Quote Originally Posted by in the trees View Post

    Aggressive tread (Nate) wins over the extra width (Snowshoe), right?
    The snowshoe is not any wider than a nate on an 80mm wide rim. The casing is about the same width, but the tread block is quite smaller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c0nsumer View Post
    If you're on a budget, don't discount the On-One Floater. It's very similar to a Snowshoe and about half the price. (About half the price of a Nate as well...)
    +1

    I've found they have excellent traction, especially as a rear tire.

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    Very pleased with Nate front, Floater rear as a snow combo for my Mukluk. Run the cheaper Floaters front and rear on dirt, since I find the expensive rubber wears quite fast (I'm cheap). If I were in the market for tires, I would consider the 60 tip tan wall Nates to save a few bucks. Don't care for the ride quality of the 27 tpi tires. Rolling resistance of the Nate on the rear is significant on pavement and hardpack. Don't mind it on the front though, and very good at off camber and for braking.
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    Correction to the comment below about not being in the market for tires. The ice situation up here in AK has me considering a set of studded tires for the first time. Too cheap to spring for Dillinger this season, but like the sound of the Vee Snowshoe XL studded. Does anyone know if these are going to be available this winter?
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