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    Nate 120tpi actual weights?

    I just picked up a new Nate 120tpi and it's 1490g. Anyone else have an actual weight that's closer to the 1280g that Fatbikes.com is claiming?

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    Mine were both around 1375g.

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    Yes, 1245g - brand new about 6 months ago.
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    I had two take off Nates from a Muk 2 weighed at the shop where I work, which have subsequently sold, 1250gm and 1320gm respectively.

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    That is a huge difference! Think one pound of weight just by handpicking tires.

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    Yeah, it's frustrating to say the least. I'm not in a position to hand pick either, due to the lack of fatbike parts in LBS near me.

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    There are different 120tpi Nates. One Ultra light and the other Kevlar bead. Both folding.
    I have 2 ultra lights in the 12xx range and one Kevlar in the low 15xx range.

    I'd guess you have a Kevlar.

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    Mine is 138x. Recently got it from Univeral Cycles and it was on their site as an ultralight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bme107 View Post
    There are different 120tpi Nates. One Ultra light and the other Kevlar bead. Both folding.
    I have 2 ultra lights in the 12xx range and one Kevlar in the low 15xx range.

    I'd guess you have a Kevlar.
    So that makes 3 different choices for the Nate tire? 27tpi (wire), 120tpi Kevlar (folding) and 120tpi Ultralight (folding)? I've only seen 2 options, 27tpi and 120tpi. How can you tell the difference in 120tpi versions?

    I think this explains it better.

    Blog | Surly Bikes

    Seems to me there are 2 versions. 27tpi and 120tpi. 120tpi has a kevlar bead and an ultralight casing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69tr6r View Post
    So that makes 3 different choices for the Nate tire? 27tpi (wire), 120tpi Kevlar (folding) and 120tpi Ultralight (folding)? I've only seen 2 options, 27tpi and 120tpi. How can you tell the difference in 120tpi versions?

    I think this explains it better.

    Blog | Surly Bikes

    Seems to me there are 2 versions. 27tpi and 120tpi. 120tpi has a kevlar bead and an ultralight casing.
    This blogpost says differently:
    Blog | Surly Bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by clunkklonk View Post
    This blogpost says differently:
    Blog | Surly Bikes
    So according to that, there are 4 different Nate tires, 3 120tpi versions and the 27tpi. Does anyone have a QBP/Surly catalog to see if there are indeed 4 different part numbers for the Nate? I've only seen 2 for sale. One is $90 and the other is $150. Seems like there should be a better description of the tire if you are spending that much for a tire.

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    2012 QBP catalog 2012 QBP Catalog

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    I just got a $150 ultralight 120TPI to replace a 27TPI and I was holding both of them and couldn't tell a difference in weight. Based on that, I'm glad I didn't buy the ultralight for the weight differences.
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    120 tpi 1322g here.
    I thought this was Kevlar as it's very easily folded.
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    Thanks bme107. So there are 2 different 120tpi versions. The wire bead (1320g), and the Kevlar ultralight (1240g). FWIW the tire I bought is marked as an ultralight, says it right on the box - part number is TR0036 (must be a newer number than in the posted catalog). I guess +20% is the tolerance on these things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    Based on that, I'm glad I didn't buy the ultralight for the weight differences.
    If you didn't do it for the weight, then may I ask why you did do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    If you didn't do it for the weight, then may I ask why you did do it?
    The squooshiness. It is more supple. Conforms better to rocks and roots and such. I suppose it's odd that I couldn't detect the weight difference, but I could detect that. Hmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69tr6r View Post
    Thanks bme107. .......... - part number is TR0036 (must be a newer number than in the posted catalog).
    That was the 2012 catalog. Think you've got to be a shop to see the 2013.

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    The current QBP info shows they are down to two Nates. A 120 tpi ultralight kevlar, TR0036, and a 27 tpi steel bead, TR0006. There was the heavier original 120 tpi that was around when they started up the ultralight, but it's no longer in production from what I can see. If you order one that has a different QBP number than TR0036 or TR0006 you've got some old stock of the original 120tpi.

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    Ultralight is very thin in the casing, might want to consider that if you ride anything other than snow and sand.
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    Same problem when I just ordered the very last 120tpi Nate Foldable from QBP they had last week. Got it, put it on the scale, and poof... 1445 grams... my Husker DU foldable was 220 grams lighter. Hell I think the 120TPI Nate WIRE bead I got last year was lighter than this foldable one.
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    I verified that mine is a newer one, part number is TR0036. I think Surly needs to do some quality control on these things, or sell them at a different price point if they are 1/2 lb heavier than they're supposed to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69tr6r View Post
    I verified that mine is a newer one, part number is TR0036. I think Surly needs to do some quality control on these things, or sell them at a different price point if they are 1/2 lb heavier than they're supposed to be.
    All tires suffer from this, due to mfg tolerances, humidity etc...
    We simply notice more when the tire is 4lb instead of 1-2lb, On a road tire variance is as low as 40g.

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    Nate 120tpi actual weights?

    120 tpi folding bead: 1351g. Not sure if it is the 036. Is the number on the tire?
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    Had to re-do the lacing on the wheels anyway so just pulled the wire-bead 120tpi nate off my mukluk, put it on the scale, and its 1400 grams exactly, including a healthy amount of baby powder inside. It also fits SO tightly to one side of my holy rolling daryl that I could literally ride the tire without any air in the tube and it wouldn't come off the rim. I'm not sure why exactly I spent $150 ordering a "new" ultralight casing Nate Foldable 120TPI when its even heavier. The whole point to the claimed ultralight casing was to fix the quality control / overweight issues from the batch last year.

    Is it really that hard for a tire they only make maybe a few thousand of, to put them on a scale as they come out of the molds and reject the overweight ones ?
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