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    My new build 616 Fabrication

    Just got the frame, am so excited can't wait to get all the parts in. I have most of the parts like maybe 70% but some will take up to 10 days to get, especially the RaceFace.

    Here is my build list:

    Frame: 616 Fabrication Medium
    Headset: Cane Creek 110
    Wheels: Velocity Dually 45mm with 135/170 616 Hubs Fork: Carver Carbon O'Beast Tires: Surly Nate 120 TPI or Vee H-Billie going tubeless Stem: RaceFace Atlas Black 65mm
    Bars: Race Face Atlas Low Rise 31.8, 0.5" Red 785mm Grips: RaceFace Sniper Lock On Black Seatpost: RaceFace Turbine 27.2mm 400mm Saddle: RaceFace Aeffect Red
    Brakes: Shimano XT M785B x 2 Front and Back Rotors: Shimano XT Ice Tech SM-RT81 x 2
    Cranks: Race Face Turbine w/BB 100mm
    Chainring: RaceFace Single Narrow Wide 30t
    Cog: Wolf Tooth 42t GC Cog Red for Shimano
    Rear Derailleur: Shimano XT Shadow + M786 Medium Shifter: 10 speed Shimano XT I-Spec B Cassette: 10 speed Shimano XT M771 11-36T Chain: 10 speed KMC X-10 Ti
    Pedals: Deity Compound Pedals Black Seat Binder: Red

    Bike weight should be around 25-26lbs
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    Cool cool.
    It doesn't matter what I ride as long as I ride it Rubber Side Down●~●.

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    30T is a ***** gear. Especially if you're getting the wolf tooth 42T cog. Seriously get a 36T unless you have no legs at all. ( even in the winter ).

    Did you go custom at all on the geo? This should be a sick bike when you get it together. Enjoy her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantone View Post
    30T is a ***** gear. Especially if you're getting the wolf tooth 42T cog. Seriously get a 36T unless you have no legs at all. ( even in the winter ).

    Did you go custom at all on the geo? This should be a sick bike when you get it together. Enjoy her.
    Thanks!

    No Custom Geo, just regular medium size.

    As for my gear setup i thought 30T with 42T cog would be my perfect setup for all year round. For now i will start with the 30T and see how everything goes and if i don't like how thing turn i might switch to 36T later on.

    I am wondering if a Medium Derailleur would fit fine or should i go Large?

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantone View Post
    30T is a ***** gear. Especially if you're getting the wolf tooth 42T cog. Seriously get a 36T unless you have no legs at all. ( even in the winter ).
    This is not correct for everyone. With a 36-11 you are pulling about 30mph at a cadence of around 106. Most people do not need that on a fat bike in the winter at least where I live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantone View Post
    30T is a ***** gear. Especially if you're getting the wolf tooth 42T cog. Seriously get a 36T unless you have no legs at all. ( even in the winter ).
    You cray? I see you live in MI so I cannot question the winter conditions, but there are a lot of really good riders around here...and NONE of them have ditched the double up front for winter riding.

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    Exactly....
    You want easier gearing for winter or climbing.... A 36 up front without a granny sounds no fun.
    In planning a 28 up front.... I'm never pedaling when I'm going that fast in single track anyways.

    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    This is not correct for everyone. With a 36-11 you are pulling about 30mph at a cadence of around 106. Most people do not need that on a fat bike in the winter at least where I live.

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    Nice bike op!!

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    Yeah sweet bike op!! Oh and I run a 28 with a 42x10 out back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    Nice bike op!!
    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Yeah sweet bike op!! Oh and I run a 28 with a 42x10 out back.
    Thanks both of you.

    bdundee does medium cage derailleur would work with my setup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomi-iv View Post

    bdundee does medium cage derailleur would work with my setup?
    Yup perfect, the only time you need a long cage is usually for a 3X chainring system and not sure if you would ever need one on a 2X I doubt it but without doing the math I can't be sure. Basically a long is used when there is substantial amount of range between the highest and lowest gears to help take up the chain slack.

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    To much info for a cool bike build thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    You cray? I see you live in MI so I cannot question the winter conditions, but there are a lot of really good riders around here...and NONE of them have ditched the double up front for winter riding.
    It's cool. I had a 32T last winter but the 36 is staying on this year. Maybe I am crazy because i'm considering keeping my 29+ wheels on this winter as well.

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    Very nice

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    I keep going round and round on this and come to the same conclusion nearly every time. What's wrong with 2x10? That 22-36 combo and nearly unlimited traction is allowing me to wonderful things with the bike. Sure I'd like to clean it up and simplify things but not at the expense of what has proven to be reliable and just plain works. When one of the drivetrain manufacturers comes up with a 12 or 13-42 10 speed cassette I'll be on it right away because I really have absolutely no need for a taller gear than 30-12/13 because like was said earlier if I'm going that fast I'm probably not pedaling anyway.

    OP - SWEET bike!

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    The only reason I ditched the front der on my fat bike is because of all the snow/slush/ice/salt build up in that spot. Wouldn't shift after awhile anyways. Still run one on my dually though.

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    For summer I wanted a bash ring and the one I got interfered with the front derailleur so I took it off. I figured I'd use the granny ring so rarely that it wouldn't matter.

    After a few months of riding it I'm perfectly happy doing a manual shift down to the granny when needed (which it turns out is NOT very often). I can shift it down with my toe, but have to use my hand to move the chain back up to the middle ring. There's enough range using the granny to keep me moving until an opportune time comes up to stop and shift it up.

    I know it sounds hokey, but its working out fine, not sure I'll go back to a front derailleur for the summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    The only reason I ditched the front der on my fat bike is because of all the snow/slush/ice/salt build up in that spot. Wouldn't shift after awhile anyways. Still run one on my dually though.
    I'm not a big fan of stuff like WD40 in a spray can but the difference it makes in those conditions is impressive. I had a few "issues" the first couple of winter rides and then had an epiphany one day and gave the lower half of the bike a spritz. No more problems.

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    I run 28 front and extended range cassete on my bikes. I used to power lift competitively and had a 485 raw squat below parallel and a 585 dead lift. I rode SS with pretty steep gearing for a couple of years too. Do I have ***** legs? No. There's a reason it makes sense to have easier gearing, so one can be efficient going up long hills and ride all day. Nobody says to ride flats all day in the easy gear. 30/42 on a single is harder than 22/34 on a 2x10 which is pretty common.

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    Fork is in, but no wheels yet.
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    Sexy dude very sexy!!

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    Carver fork?
    I'm building a similar one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwrdesign View Post
    Carver fork?
    I'm building a similar one!

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    Yes, Carver O'Beast for now, later on i may switch to Sarma Thru Axle 465mm

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    Due to the through axle? The weight of the two forks are pretty much the same?

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    What did UPS bring today?

    Wheels still missing, dammit!
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    I think this would call for a......
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    Time for

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    Got few parts installed

    Got the fork, stem, bottom bracket, seatpost and seat installed today. Next i got to install the cranks but missing the 8mm hex key, gotta go buy one.
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    Nice build!

    My wife stole my carver fork so I picked up a Sarma for my Jackalope build... its a nice looking fork!
    -Carver Ti O'Beast
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    Quote Originally Posted by sk1er18 View Post
    Nice build!

    My wife stole my carver fork so I picked up a Sarma for my Jackalope build... its a nice looking fork!
    So which one do you prefer, the Carver or the Sarma?

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    I haven't ridden the Sarma yet so I can't really speak in terms of reliability. I also got the fork at a huge discount and dont have to swap my lower headset bearing so it was a no brainer to give it a shot. If buying new, id stick with Carver. Wouldn't surprise me if they have a thru axle obeast fork soon
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    The Wait Is Finally Over!!!

    After 2 months of waiting the bike is complete
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    That turned out awesome, well done sir!!

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    Thank You Bob

    Went tubeless and total weight came down to 27.8 lbs

    Not bad for a steel frame

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    Couldn't ask for a better bike

    Very light and very sturdy, just the way i like it!
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    nice build!
    two wheel livin'..

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    Quote Originally Posted by anortherncrazy View Post
    nice build!
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomi-iv View Post
    Thank You Bob

    Went tubeless and total weight came down to 27.8 lbs

    Not bad for a steel frame
    Thats an awesome rig with the red accents and darn light for a steel fatty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRock24 View Post
    Thats an awesome rig with the red accents and darn light for a steel fatty!
    Thank You

    I just need few more matching red items, found out that KMC has Red/Black chain and also i need 29.6 seatpost clamp in Red which is hard to find.

    Kmc chain: http://www.socaltrailriders.org/foru...0&d=1335206944

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    nice work
    what rims did you go with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironpo View Post
    nice work
    what rims did you go with?
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    I have two sets of rims, the ones on the bike right now are Velocity Dually laced to 616 red hubs and the other set that i have is Schlick Northpaw-s 47 laced to black 616 hubs and Sapim double butted spokes.

    The Northpaws are little lighter by maybe 100 grams for both.

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    Love to see a ride report!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwh View Post
    Love to see a ride report!
    I will be short - rides like dream and way better than any production fat bike. I will be getting another 616 for my wife and will try to talk them into fabricating one for my daughter as well.

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    Wow very nice job putting that bike together. I almost got the Duallies with the red hubs but I ended up with the black ones. I had mucho rojo going on my bike. The KMC black and red chain just looks black on my rig now, it has been hard to keep the red clean.

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    Any updates to share? I've talked to John a few times and am considering a frameset. Will it fit 29+ wheels? How would you rate stiffness of the frame?
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    Enjoy the ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LBIkid View Post
    Any updates to share? I've talked to John a few times and am considering a frameset. Will it fit 29+ wheels? How would you refrigerate stiffness?
    I've had mine built up for a few months, frame seems stiff to me, I get a good amount of flex from a salsa enabler fork, but pedaling feels great single speed with 32/22 gearing.

    Not sure about 29+ looks like it might work, chainstays might be tight. Husker Dus on 80mm rims for reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adw31 View Post
    I've had mine built up for a few months, frame seems stiff to me, I get a good amount of flex from a salsa enabler fork, but pedaling feels great single speed with 32/22 gearing.

    Not sure about 29+ looks like it might work, chainstays might be tight. Husker Dus on 80mm rims for reference.
    Thanks for the reply. I'd like setup 29+ with Knards on Blunt 35s, so I'd hope those would fit?

    Mind if I ask about rider weight? I check in around 215 lbs., but ride fairly smooth.

    You mentioned an Enabler fork...are you running an Enabler on this frame? If yes, I'd like to hear hwo it affects the geometry since it's built around a 450mm fork.
    Enjoy the ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LBIkid View Post
    Thanks for the reply. I'd like setup 29+ with Knards on Blunt 35s, so I'd hope those would fit?

    Mind if I ask about rider weight? I check in around 215 lbs., but ride fairly smooth.

    You mentioned an Enabler fork...are you running an Enabler on this frame? If yes, I'd like to hear hwo it affects the geometry since it's built around a 450mm fork.
    I've been weighing in around 180-190 plus camelback, stuck to mostly flat trails. I built it on a budget its actually a demo frame I bought from John off the facebook trader, he had said an Enabler would work fine. I already had the fork to try and replace one on a bikes direct bike, but decided to just start new. On the trail handles great, but I don't have a good comparison to know if it steers any different.

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