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    My Marge Lite/616 Fabrications Wheel Build

    I just got my wheels laced on my Marge Lite rims with 616 Fabrications Hubs build. I used Sapim CX-Ray spokes and alloy Nipples (for now) to see how they would turn out. If I can figure out how to post pictures, I will post some. Here is how they turned out:

    Front wheel - 1000 grams
    Rear Wheel 1240 grams

    I could have gone lighter with the XTR freehub body option they have - but I went with the Ultegra level option. I didn't think the weight were bad considering the rims are roughly 700 grams each. The 616 Fabrications hubs are pretty cool. It is pretty cool that they are a local company (for me). In fact I met John at the machine shop to get a rear axle from him right off the lathe. They are a cool group of guys, making some very cool hubs and bikes! In fact many of you might remember Nukeproof bikes from the 90's - John owned Nukeproof - cool that he is back making bikes and hubs again.

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    really interesting hubs!


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    Nice. Is front hub front or rear disc spacing? Why Centerlock? Just keepin' with the Shimano theme?

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    Cool hubs, I'd buy them if they didn't use Centerlock and Shimano Freehub... both of those things makes me not want them on my bike.

    Rather my tank ass Hadley hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Nice. Is front hub front or rear disc spacing? Why Centerlock? Just keepin' with the Shimano theme?
    I think it helps reducing the weight...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borgschulze View Post
    Cool hubs, I'd buy them if they didn't use Centerlock and Shimano Freehub... both of those things makes me not want them on my bike.

    Rather my tank ass Hadley hubs.
    How can you not like Center Lock? Have you ever tried it? It's so sweet. But yeah, Shimano freehubs really suck, I'll give you that.

    Still, those hubs look amazing.

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    Very cool hubs, but why wouldn't they make the flange diameters on the front hub the same. I hate buying different length spokes for a build!!
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    Agree on the Centerlock and Shimano freehub being deal killers. Too bad- just imagine what they could do with some Hopes!

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    What's wrong with Center Lock?!

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    the formula center lock rotors are really nice looking
    I don't like the look of the flange diameter
    everyone is a critic though

    good luck with your new wheels

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    Quote Originally Posted by careboy View Post
    Just keepin' with the Shimano theme?
    Shimano freehub, Centerlock...You know, Shimano!

    @Atom: Kinda hard to get excited about a brake rotor mounting standard (if you can call Centerlock a "standard"). I prefer the wider variety of choices available with ISO. Never tried Centerlock, but never had any trouble with bolt-ons either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Very cool hubs, but why wouldn't they make the flange diameters on the front hub the same. I hate buying different length spokes for a build!!
    They may have made them different for that very reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Why Centerlock?
    You can run 6-bolt or CL on a CL hub.

    Can only run 6-b on a 6-b hub.

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    Is it me or do the axles look really thin? More options equals better I say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    You can run 6-bolt or CL on a CL hub.

    Can only run 6-b on a 6-b hub.
    But those centerlock rotors wouldn't exist without the centerlock format.... Which brings us back to the question of, why centerlock?

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    Centerlock is a better design. Automatically concentric, stronger, less apt to loosen itself, and, if it does loosen, only one thread to potentially loosen itself instead of six. And, when that one thread loosens itself, you know it right away. Six bolt rotors can have a few bolts loose and go unnoticed, right up to the point that the mounting ears tear off the hub shell (a friend just did that to an American Classic hub).
    I don't own any, mostly because I already have so many six bolt rotors, hubs, and wheelsets laying around. I have installed a lot of them, I've always thought they were a good idea.

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    I prefer Centerlock - apart from the difficulty of removing it with an on-bike toolkit.

    Which rules it out for any bike you're going to go bush on - can't replace spokes in extremis.
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    Another Centerlock hater, sorry.

    Simply solving a problem that doesn't exist, at least that I see. If I had issues, or my riding pals did, or I heard of them even (on a regular basis) I'd think they were onto something. Sure, loose bolts now and then, but that's like, one guy, every couple years.

    Of course, this is coming from a guy that loves Dual Control levers mated to his Rapid Rise RD so don't pay me too much attention, just grousin' over here in the corner....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    I prefer Centerlock - apart from the difficulty of removing it with an on-bike toolkit.

    Which rules it out for any bike you're going to go bush on - can't replace spokes in extremis.
    Well, same goes for cassette side spokes too.

    Back in the olden days, I used to carry a Pamir, but it's long lost I bought a Stein, but it's nowhere near as hardy. I've never owned center locks, but is it safe to assume these "mini" tools will also work for removal?

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    its a pity centrelock didnt take off a bit more...its *so* much less fiddle than 6 wee bolts....

    as for the cassette use a DT hub and the whole thing pulls off :-)~ no tools needed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    its a pity centrelock didnt take off a bit more...its *so* much less fiddle than 6 wee bolts....

    as for the cassette use a DT hub and the whole thing pulls off :-)~ no tools needed...
    If only DT made a 170, I'd buy it.
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    OP, can you post a pic of yours? I've heard they've changed slightly from the pic igonzo posted. I'm mostly wondering about the endcaps.
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    hmmm yeah, id forgotten the dt were 165mm or something?

    maybe they'll take pity on the fatbike market and do something now that 170 sems to becoming the de facto standard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy FitzGibbon View Post

    - Automatically concentric,
    Is the mm or so of eccentricity possible with ISO really an issue? I don't recall ever seeing a setup that had issues due to the rotor not being perfectly centered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy FitzGibbon View Post

    - stronger,
    To what end? Aren't they also heavier? What does that strength actually do for performance, and could an ISO rotor not achieve the same strength by increasing material(weight) in the right places?


    Quote Originally Posted by Andy FitzGibbon View Post

    - less apt to loosen itself,
    I've never had one loosen on me. Only way I could see that happening is if A: the bolts weren't tightened enough to begin with. B: the rider swapped rotors more than once without reapplying loctite to the bolts.

    Only advantages I could see would really be the hub being lighter if you didn't want to run a disc brake on that wheel, and they're quicker to remove/install, with the right tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil View Post
    If only DT made a 170, I'd buy it.
    Hope does now.
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