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    One day maybe

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    I'm still loving my NTB Ti and smile every time I ride it, even after almost a year. ive put it though its paces many times, probably more so than most people. I've upgraded a few things on it but still have a ways to go.

    Here it is with rear FBR and front Bud on 100mm tubeless wheels, Sunrace 11-42 rear and 22/32 front. Does anyone know if a 2XL clears in the back? It looks like it might. The Bud clears the front ok but I had to remove the fender. I have a straight fork for winter to run a larger tire.

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    I even went bikepacking with it this year on an 80 mile long ATV trail. It looks positively massive compared to my wife's Trek with 26x2.2's on it.

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    It it wasn't exactly svelt but the bike handled it well and the wider tires were perfect with the crappy trail surface. My wife kept washing out with her 'thin' tires.

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    I cant can't wait to go again but next time whenever it's warmer so we can leave the 0 sleeping bags at home.
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    @Dilligaf what rear rack is that?


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    This one.


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    I have a dilemma I need some help with. I have FINALLY convinced myself to buy a Fattie, and after much research I settled on the night train bullet (aluminum). I just tried to order today, and its out of stock. Do I step up and hit the titanium for another 500? Or do I drop back to Sturgis bullet at 1500? Any suggestions ?

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    I can't see you ever regretting the Ti if you can afford it.

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    I am not sorry at all and would buy the same bike again in a minute.
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    I think I'm finally convinced to pull the trigger. Anyone aware of a better derailleur hanger option for these things? I saw a better machined option for the aluminum frame out there, but haven't seen one for this Ti frame. Or perhaps these are a little higher quality than the aluminum frame's hangers in the first place?

    Here's the seller for the other frame:

    Motobecane Derailleur Hangers

    Won't stop me from buying, just curious.

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    I have not had an issue with mine at all and it came with a spare that I keep on the bike just in case.
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    Glad to hear it! I caved in last night and bought the NTB Ti. I've been thinking about it way too long, so I decided I need to quit wasting time.

    Thanks for the info on this forum! I'm sure I'll be back with questions.

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    Has anyone ran their Night Train ti with 27.5 plus wheels?

    Cheers

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    Received the bike on Thursday and have been loving it! It's exceeding my expectations. I'm really digging the titanium, although it probably wasn't necessary. I'm considering a rigid fork replacement for the salty minnesota winter, but I haven't decided yet.

    @Dilligaff, out of curiosity, what size is your frame and what size is your frame bag? Just trying to get a reference so I can pick a size of that bag.

    Thanks!

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    It's a large frame and the large frame bag. I have the medium as well which gives a little more room for a water bottle but for this trip I wanted more space.

    I picked up a rigid fork for $50 used (with axle) just for winter to run a 2XL in the front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    It's a large frame and the large frame bag. I have the medium as well which gives a little more room for a water bottle but for this trip I wanted more space.

    I picked up a rigid fork for $50 used (with axle) just for winter to run a 2XL in the front.
    Great, thanks for the info! Is that a steel fork that you're running? I'm not crazy about the idea of carbon. I might grab a Framed aluminum fork or something on the cheap end, but I need to do a little more research at this point to see what's out there.

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    No, it's aluminum. It was a take-off from someone who switched to a Bluto. I'd love a carbon but the $$$ just isn't there.
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    First snow day with the new bike--what a blast! I love this thing, just need to find a good rigid option before I salt the Bluto to death.

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    Well, I couldn't find anyone who tried to fit a Vee Snowshoe 2XL on the rear of a Night Train Titanium, which are not the same as the aluminum version. I am sorry to say they don't fit on 100mm wheels, but I have not tried them on 80mm wheels yet.



    But it is a tad larger than my FBR tires, which measure out to be 4.7" almost exactly (100mm wheels) and work flawlessly. The 2XL measures 5.03" on the same rim, which doesn't sound like a lot until you put them next to one another.



    Just thought I'd provide an update. I have a take-off rigid aluminum fork it will fit on easily that I'll swap on for winter.
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    Thanks for the update, I was hoping the XXL would fit! I'm still on the 80mm rims, but I'm still probably out of luck.

    Which aluminum fork are you running? I go back and forth between just running the Bluto in winter and grabbing the Framed alloy fork for a seasonal swap. Loving the Bluto, I just don't want to wreck it with salt.

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    This is my Night Train with plus wheels and tires. I really like how it rides with them. It will be my default configuration from now on, leaving the fat tires for those extra chunky trials or beach rides.

    There was some bb drop vrs the fat wheels but the BB is still about 1 cm higher than my El Mariachi 29er with 2.4 tires.



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    I've had mine almost one year now and have been riding it year round.. tight technical, off-camber rock climbing, dirt, snow.. anything in the way. Love the bike!

    Tonight I mounted a new rear tire, Origin 8 Tsunami and over-tightened / broke the rear thru axle (so damn worried about a loose axle ruining the rear hub / freehub as discussed in the Motobecane Night Train thread).. Does anyone have a good source for a couple replacement rear thru axles?

    Thx!


    Update: Axle is M12x1.75x229 -- found some options online after lots of searching. You can go back to Bikes Direct for a replacement, but would encourage the SRAM Maxle Ultimate RR as it looks like a lot better quality. I have the latter on the the way for a back-up.

    I did run by the hardware store and picked up their smallest EZ-OUT / drill bit set and took my time w/ it and was able to get the broken bolt out. Then I chased the threads w/ my tap set, ran the new screw through the die to make sure it had good threads, and slapped everything back together w/ a few drops of blue lock-tight -- took it for a quick ride in the neighborhood and it was great w/o loosening.


    Happy riding all...
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    Motobecanes Titanium FatBike final specs and release date.

    I swapped out my stock hub for a bitex one from bike hub store. This will be my third one, (I sold the others with the bikes they were on.) I would recommend them to anyone. For the price they absolutely can't be beat. 54 engagement points and readily available replacement parts for the win.
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    I also put on a carbon fork. It saved bout 2 pounds over the bluto and it rides nice.

    I've also been working on setting up the mule foot rims with kold kutters, and those have been pretty fantastic. I have been running 4.8's on 100mm rims for powder and 4.0 on 80's with spikes after it settles and gets icy.
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    Replacement through-axles?

    Quote Originally Posted by th1npower View Post
    I've had mine almost one year now and have been riding it year round..
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    over-tightened / broke the rear thru axle
    ...

    Update: Axle is M12x1.75x229 -- found some options online after lots of searching. You can go back to Bikes Direct for a replacement, but would encourage the SRAM Maxle Ultimate RR as it looks like a lot better quality. I have the latter on the the way
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    Hey th1npower,

    Sorry for the creative editing of your post, but was wondering if you received/have some time on the SRAM replacement axle. If so, still recommend it?


    All,

    Anyone else have to replace their rear axle/have a recommendation for one?

    Mine is behaving strangely, and I'd rather replace it before it forces me to do so.

    Thanks!
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    ..I didn't get the Maxle in the end b/c it was delayed, out of stock, and said the hell w/ waiting since mine was fixed.

    a mtn bike & dirt bike buddy is a helluva machinist and will make me a new one if/when needed.

    I still think the Maxle looks a LOT more durable and well-built compared to the stock Kinesis axle. Almost all the reviews from on here say the Maxle is the way to go (kind of like a Hope rear hub)...
    ..sleep is good...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    I swapped out my stock hub for a bitex one from bike hub store. This will be my third one, (I sold the others with the bikes they were on.) I would recommend them to anyone. For the price they absolutely can't be beat. 54 engagement points and readily available replacement parts for the win.
    I have been running one of these hubs on my Mukluk for 1.5 years with zero issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by th1npower View Post
    ..I didn't get the Maxle in the end ...
    Thanks th1npower,

    Glad your solution has worked out well for you.

    I appreciate the lead on the Maxles, and the thread spec you gave above. Will follow up once I've ordered/used a replacement. For now, the Kinesis one is still hanging in there, but just barely.

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by th1npower View Post

    Update: Axle is M12x1.75x229 -- found some options online after lots of searching. You can go back to Bikes Direct for a replacement, but would encourage the SRAM Maxle Ultimate RR as it looks like a lot better quality. I have the latter on the the way for a back-up.

    I did run by the hardware store and picked up their smallest EZ-OUT / drill bit set and took my time w/ it and was able to get the broken bolt out. Then I chased the threads w/ my tap set, ran the new screw through the die to make sure it had good threads, and slapped everything back together w/ a few drops of blue lock-tight -- took it for a quick ride in the neighborhood and it was great w/o loosening.


    Happy riding all...
    I'm also looking for a better quality replacement rear axle for my Sturgis which is also a 12x1.75x229. The SRAM Maxle being sold at ebay are 12x1.5x229.

    Any leads as to where I could get the 12x1.75x229 SRAM Maxle if there are any?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottspark60 View Post

    Any leads as to where I could get the 12x1.75x229 SRAM Maxle if there are any?
    Dear Mr. Spark,

    With th1npower's suggestion/spec in hand, I found a Maxle Ultimate on amazon.

    Will report back when I have it in hand and have put some time on it if you can wait a bit.

    Otherwise, I see that Bike Parts | Road Bicycle Parts | Bicycle Repair Parts - Niagara Cycle also have them, and I have heard good things about them in the past (have never used them).

    Good luck,
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottspark60 View Post
    .. Any leads as to where I could get the 12x1.75x229 SRAM Maxle if there are any?

    Thanks.
    As JPaul suggested go w/ Amazon. Otherwise, http://robertaxleproject.com/ ...looks like a great bolt-on axle.

    Best of luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by th1npower View Post
    As JPaul suggested go w/ Amazon. Otherwise, http://robertaxleproject.com/ ...looks like a great bolt-on axle.

    Best of luck!

    Micah
    Thanks Paul and Micah.

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    Quick follow up on ordering a through axle from Amazon:

    Ordered per specs discussed above (12x1.75x229), but received an axle with 1.5 pitch.

    I'm assuming it is a pick/ship error based on the item description (see details below), but can't for the life of me figure out how to communicate w/Amazon that I would just want to exchange for the correct item.

    Will be returning it tomorrow, and likely order from Niagara once I return from holiday.

    Paul

    -------FWIW, The specifics of what I ordered in case anyone is feeling lucky------

    https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-Ultimate...229&th=1&psc=1

    - Product description includes: "RockShox Maxle Ultimate 20mm Thread M12x1.75 Rear"

    - One of the answered questions also specifically touches on the 1.75mm threading

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPaul View Post
    Quick follow up on ordering a through axle from Amazon:

    Ordered per specs discussed above (12x1.75x229), but received an axle with 1.5 pitch.

    I'm assuming it is a pick/ship error based on the item description (see details below), but can't for the life of me figure out how to communicate w/Amazon that I would just want to exchange for the correct item.

    Will be returning it tomorrow, and likely order from Niagara once I return from holiday.

    Paul

    -------FWIW, The specifics of what I ordered in case anyone is feeling lucky------

    https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-Ultimate...229&th=1&psc=1

    - Product description includes: "RockShox Maxle Ultimate 20mm Thread M12x1.75 Rear"

    - One of the answered questions also specifically touches on the 1.75mm threading
    I just had and issue with them shipping me a rear derailleur instead of a front derailleur. They actually did it on the original order and replacement order. The manufacturer boxes were correctly marked. Someone had put the wrong Amazon sticker on it.

    Returns/exchanges go something like this. Go into your orders. Click on the item in question. Select return/replace. Fill in the radio box for incorrect item. I think it then pops up a box to fill in with comments on the item, issue, and if you want a refund or replacment. Somewhere in there you can either choose to do the return by email, chat, or phone call. I did phone call on the original and then followed up with an email because they wouldn't 1 day ship or give me anything for their mixup (they changed it to 1 day shipping and gave me $5 credit). When the replacement showed up wrong they didn't have anymore in stock so I did email and complained about their repeated mixup and got another $10 credit. And then I ordered from somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerpss View Post
    Somewhere in there you can either choose to do the return by email, chat, or phone call. I did phone call on the original and then followed up with an email
    Thanks, Cerpss, will look for that next time. A phone call or e-mail would have been ideal.

    Cheers,
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    Greetings everyone, I posted in the main Sturgis/NTB thread, but I thought I'd dig here as well.


    I've had my NTB Ti for about 6 months now and have been pretty happy with it. Unfortunately, about a month ago it developed a 'tick' sound when i stand on it or crank pretty hard in the 3 or 9-oclock position. I was pretty sure it was the BB, and sure enough it didn't look too pretty when I pulled it out (see attached pictures). The outer shells are cracking where they mate up with the sleeve. Does anyone have any idea what would cause this failure? Over torquing during installation? Perhaps the Ti frame flexes too much in this area? I'm 160 lbs, so I kind of doubt that this is the issue.

    Meanwhile, bikesdirect requires that I go into a LBS and they have to handle a warranty claim thru Race Face. I'm not sure how well that's going to go... and based on my experience so far, I'm not sure I want another Race Face part.

    Thanks in advance for any input!


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    Weird that it has lost material like that. Looks like its has been nibble on by a mouse! Mine also had a clicking/creaking sound when pedalling hard. After lots of trial and error, I was able to isolate it to the rear axle. Tightened the axle a bit more and the sound went away almost entirely. I think these frames are somewhat flexy although I dont know if that could cause that to the bb cups. The bb shell is a very stiff piece, I doubt it flexes much or anything at all. Most of the movement is in the stays.

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    I'd agree that the BB area is stiff enough where this should never happen. I do not ride the thing very hard either. I actually just re-installed the BB right now without the sleeve and what do you know--no more ticking sound. I think I'll just run it like this with no sleeve and see how it goes. I should mention that I did run it through a nasty salty Minnesota winter, so that could have had something do do with it. When I pulled the cranks earlier this year, there was a salty mess between the spindle and the bottom bracket sleeve. This leads me to believe that it really doesn't matter whether or not I use the sleeve, crud is going to get in there regardless. Bearings were still in great shape, so I'm going to just run with it and I'll buy a new BB if things don't work out.

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    Interesting BB wear

    curious, are there corresponding chips on the aluminum sleeve?
    I'd almost think that it might be preexisting damage from before assembly...

    the jagged edges look like its been scraped on something
    while damage from flexing I'd expect to be more along the lines of cracks

    my opinion on those sleeve pieces? pointless, a better way to protect the bb from water, is to have a drain hole in the bottom of the frame.
    Silly that its no longer a standard feature. Because water will get inside no matter what, have to let it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xenologer View Post
    Interesting BB wear

    curious, are there corresponding chips on the aluminum sleeve?
    I'd almost think that it might be preexisting damage from before assembly...

    the jagged edges look like its been scraped on something
    while damage from flexing I'd expect to be more along the lines of cracks

    my opinion on those sleeve pieces? pointless, a better way to protect the bb from water, is to have a drain hole in the bottom of the frame.
    Silly that its no longer a standard feature. Because water will get inside no matter what, have to let it out.
    Thanks for the insight. There was not a scratch on the sleeve, only on each side piece. The bearings are still solid so I'm just running it with no sleeve at the moment.

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    Looks like somebody tightened a BB cup down without the sleeve aligned correctly and it dug into the skirt of the cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdxfixed View Post
    Looks like somebody tightened a BB cup down without the sleeve aligned correctly and it dug into the skirt of the cup.
    Was thinking the same thing, though I am surprised it took 600 miles to make the sound it it truly was installed incorrectly. This was the first time I had it off. If there's a next bike for me from BD, I'll be doing a much better inspection of the assembly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    I swapped out my stock hub for a bitex one from bike hub store. This will be my third one, (I sold the others with the bikes they were on.) I would recommend them to anyone. For the price they absolutely can't be beat. 54 engagement points and readily available replacement parts for the win.
    Does the old axle work with the new hub or do they send an axle with it??? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankhead10 View Post
    Does the old axle work with the new hub or do they send an axle with it??? Thanks
    If you are asking about the through axle, they are typically frame specific not hub specific.
    Latitude 61

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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    If you are asking about the through axle, they are typically frame specific not hub specific.
    So should be good to go then? SRAM XD Drive not shimano 10/11 correct?
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    That damage on the BB cup looks like galvanic corrosion. Could be between the Ti BB and the cup. Would not take but a small amount of salt water. I best be checking mine. I bought a Ti Night train bullet last November and have put about 1200 miles on it.

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    Too late - the boat has sailed for 2017.
    Thinking about a NTB but gotta wait till 1-2nd week of sept with DB.

    Grrr...not sure if I can wait, as summer riding season is in full swing.

    Disclaimer : My last bike was a SC FS and I hung up riding a couple years back. Boy, things have changed. Front derailleurs are museum pieces now.

    I've got kids in my house now, one 2 years and another turning 4 next month.
    I've decided to get a new hardtail bike (mainly as the thule bracket for the ridealong won't play well with my FS).

    Was initially looky at SC Muk/Beargrease, but both seem to be non avail locally in my size and it has to be aluminum and not carbon due to the baby seat factor...

    While researching, I came across DTB and I'm leaning in the NTB Ti. I'd like to get more riding time with the lil ones as we have all 4 seasons, so riding in June, July and August would be nice.

    What to do.....wait for the TI or not.

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    The NTB Ti is a good baby mobile!
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    ..awesome! :-) so great seeing the lil' ones out.. nice set-up!


    Have fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PierreR View Post
    That damage on the BB cup looks like galvanic corrosion. Could be between the Ti BB and the cup. Would not take but a small amount of salt water. I best be checking mine. I bought a Ti Night train bullet last November and have put about 1200 miles on it.
    The saltwater is definitely a possiblity--the bike was my daily commuter in the salty Minneapolis winter... Never did service it until the spring. I've been running my cups now with no internal sleeve. I typically don't ride in the rain but did get caught once recently, and I didn't even think to drain the water. Sure enough, two weeks later I started getting some BB creaking. Took it apart again to find water sitting in the BB, so I cleaned, dried, re-greased and I'm back in business. Seems to be working fine again with no internal sleeve, but now I'm having an internal battle on whether I should pick another RF BB or go with something like a Hope.

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    One prime area for water to enter the BB area is around the seat post clamp on the Ti bike.

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    I have chased down the creaking on my Night Train Ti to the bottom bracket and want to replace it, not just the bearings, since I have the same corrosion posted here. I saw a post about other companies making a replacement BB but can't find it now. Can anyone link to better alternatives than the RaceFace X-Type BB with stock Turbine cranks for a 2016?
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    Phil Wood & Co.

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    Well, a not so good update on my Ti Sturgis. I have had it for a year and a half and 1,300 miles. The SRAM Guide R Front brake failed. This is no surprise as DOT 4.5 fluid and plastic master cylinder pistons don't mix. Very poor design by SRAM. It is under warranty but SRAM, Bikes Direct and local bike stores won't help.

    SRAM said it needs to go to a bike store. Bikes Direct wants me to pay to ship it to them and pay for return shipping. Local bike stores said they charge hourly for the time they take to call SRAM. I won't pay for a warranty item.

    Our LBSs are aweful which is the reason I went to Bikes Direct. Larry at Bikes Direct won't even return my emails. Disappointed on all ends. Ended up buying XT brakes and threw the SRAM Guide Rs in the garbage. I definitely won't buy a product from SRAM again and probably not Bikes Direct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motofatti View Post
    Well, a not so good update on my Ti Sturgis. I have had it for a year and a half and 1,300 miles. The SRAM Guide R Front brake failed. This is no surprise as DOT 4.5 fluid and plastic master cylinder pistons don't mix. Very poor design by SRAM. It is under warranty but SRAM, Bikes Direct and local bike stores won't help.

    SRAM said it needs to go to a bike store. Bikes Direct wants me to pay to ship it to them and pay for return shipping. Local bike stores said they charge hourly for the time they take to call SRAM. I won't pay for a warranty item.

    Our LBSs are aweful which is the reason I went to Bikes Direct. Larry at Bikes Direct won't even return my emails. Disappointed on all ends. Ended up buying XT brakes and threw the SRAM Guide Rs in the garbage. I definitely won't buy a product from SRAM again and probably not Bikes Direct.
    Motofatti- Sorry to hear about your Guide brakes....unusual as I've been running mine untouched for almost 3 seasons, can't complain. That sucks about the customer service on all fronts, especially your lbs.

    If you still have the Guide brakes, I will buy them, broke or not. PM me and I will take them off your hands. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motofatti View Post
    Well, a not so good update on my Ti Sturgis. I have had it for a year and a half and 1,300 miles. The SRAM Guide R Front brake failed. This is no surprise as DOT 4.5 fluid and plastic master cylinder pistons don't mix. Very poor design by SRAM. It is under warranty but SRAM, Bikes Direct and local bike stores won't help.

    SRAM said it needs to go to a bike store. Bikes Direct wants me to pay to ship it to them and pay for return shipping. Local bike stores said they charge hourly for the time they take to call SRAM. I won't pay for a warranty item.

    Our LBSs are aweful which is the reason I went to Bikes Direct. Larry at Bikes Direct won't even return my emails. Disappointed on all ends. Ended up buying XT brakes and threw the SRAM Guide Rs in the garbage. I definitely won't buy a product from SRAM again and probably not Bikes Direct.
    I've been running them for 2 years and the front is just starting to show signs of sticking. I've used them a lot and have gone through quite a few pads.

    Last winter I bought my wife a Boris the Evil Brut because it has the same (or similar enough) components and we can swap wheels for the seasons. Her Guide RS brakes started sticking within months of very little use.

    I contacted BD and was told the same thing regarding warranty. My LBS also was going to charge to handle the warranty, after all, why wouldn't they, since they have to spend time handling this. A friend who works there said he'd do it for nothing because he knows I spend a lot of $$$ annually at various bike shops and he wants the preferred business, which he just earned. But, the bleed kit was still $80, so their 'warranty' was anything but free.

    I won't buy from BD in the future due to this and other minor issues. I like the bikes but between the creaking BB which cost $140 to remedy, the crappy Novatec hubs, and the Guide brakes, I have to wonder if a regular bike is worth it. The Ti is and I'd buy that again, but not a non-Ti bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    I've been running them for 2 years and the front is just starting to show signs of sticking. I've used them a lot and have gone through quite a few pads.

    Last winter I bought my wife a Boris the Evil Brut because it has the same (or similar enough) components and we can swap wheels for the seasons. Her Guide RS brakes started sticking within months of very little use.

    I contacted BD and was told the same thing regarding warranty. My LBS also was going to charge to handle the warranty, after all, why wouldn't they, since they have to spend time handling this. A friend who works there said he'd do it for nothing because he knows I spend a lot of $$$ annually at various bike shops and he wants the preferred business, which he just earned. But, the bleed kit was still $80, so their 'warranty' was anything but free.

    I won't buy from BD in the future due to this and other minor issues. I like the bikes but between the creaking BB which cost $140 to remedy, the crappy Novatec hubs, and the Guide brakes, I have to wonder if a regular bike is worth it. The Ti is and I'd buy that again, but not a non-Ti bike.
    Guys,

    Thanks for the post about BD's poor warranty help.

    I was planning on buying the NightTrain Ti fatty. And to think BD is the sponsor for the Fat Bikes forum. It makes you think no one with BD is even reading this thread.

    Thanks everyone for letting us know how your bikes are performing.

    Having to pay for an item that is under warranty is a puzzle to me. Is this a normal procedure for Bikes Direct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motofatti View Post
    Well, a not so good update on my Ti Sturgis. I have had it for a year and a half and 1,300 miles. The SRAM Guide R Front brake failed. This is no surprise as DOT 4.5 fluid and plastic master cylinder pistons don't mix. Very poor design by SRAM. It is under warranty but SRAM, Bikes Direct and local bike stores won't help.
    What makes you think BD should provide warranty for 1.5 years? Do they state more than 1 year warranty? Most LBS brands only provide 1 year warranty. After that they may help you to process, but won't actually pay for new parts.

    Here is your $50 solution to get a superior Shimano Deore brake.

    I read a lot about the SRAM brakes being bad. and them using DOT fluid means you can't just buy a bottle and store it since even storing makes it degrade (hygroscopic). For that reason alone I would chose Shimano brakes since mineral oil can be stored long term.

    It is just a wear item (sort of... you get new pads with new shimano brake), and $50 expense after 1300 miles is not that bad.

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    Brakes are not wear items. 1.5 yrs is pretty bad. Sram knows theirs a problem but you have to contact sram since you didnt buy from a proper LBS dealer.

    Cant store DOT fluid, thats a rotflmao moment, sorry but it is. Do you realize how long a bottle of dot fluid sits in warehouses and shelves before you purchase it????

    I store brake fluid, never an issue. You make sure to put the cap back on, problem solved. And if you own a car you should have a small bottle on hand anyway.

    Shimano are superior (deore just barely for the long term). Can get m7000 brakes for $75 a wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAKC Ind View Post
    Brakes are not wear items. ...

    Cant store DOT fluid, thats a rotflmao moment, sorry but it is. Do you realize how long a bottle of dot fluid sits in warehouses and shelves before you purchase it????

    I store brake fluid, never an issue. You make sure to put the cap back on, problem solved. And if you own a car you should have a small bottle on hand anyway.
    I meant he will have a new brake pad with new brake. I know pads cost less than brakes. So you have a point.

    Just to clarify, when sealed in unopened bottle it has a longer shelf life. but once you remove the aluminum seal, shelf life shortens.
    Water molecules diffuse through all materials inc. seals, brake hoses etc. that is why in a car you need to flush brake fluid every 3 years or so. there are electronic testers showing the % of water and between 1% and 2% you have to change it.

    Water is bad for 2 reasons. One, it enables corrosion. Two, it lowers the boiling point. With too much water, your brake fluid boils in an emergency brake situation and you lose braking power.

    You won't know if your brake fluid is still good before an emergency brake situation. That is a bad time to find out! i don't know if bicycle brake temperatures are similar to cars. Less speed and mass, but smaller brakes.

    sorry, I should have been more clear.

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    Wait, are we blaming BikesDirect for a SRAM warranty issue?

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    Wait, are we blaming BikesDirect for a SRAM warranty issue?
    Me thinks the bike company should look after their customer better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    I've been running them for 2 years and the front is just starting to show signs of sticking. I've used them a lot and have gone through quite a few pads.

    Last winter I bought my wife a Boris the Evil Brut because it has the same (or similar enough) components and we can swap wheels for the seasons. Her Guide RS brakes started sticking within months of very little use.

    I contacted BD and was told the same thing regarding warranty. My LBS also was going to charge to handle the warranty, after all, why wouldn't they, since they have to spend time handling this. A friend who works there said he'd do it for nothing because he knows I spend a lot of $$$ annually at various bike shops and he wants the preferred business, which he just earned. But, the bleed kit was still $80, so their 'warranty' was anything but free.

    I won't buy from BD in the future due to this and other minor issues. I like the bikes but between the creaking BB which cost $140 to remedy, the crappy Novatec hubs, and the Guide brakes, I have to wonder if a regular bike is worth it. The Ti is and I'd buy that again, but not a non-Ti bike.

    Hey Dilligaff,

    I am surprised to hear about your BB, Hubs, and brake issue. I had the brake warranty situation. Two bike shops got involved. One got in trouble from SRAM because of shady shit they tried to pull. I promised that I would not divulge the details but wow what a piece of crap that one bike shop is and always was.

    My rear hub lets off a big "clank" every once and a while. I recently took it apart and greased the internals.

    Now, could you explain the BB story and the fix for me. Mine is starting to creek like mad and before I pull everything I would like to know your story about the $140.00 fix.

    Thanks Dill. I appreciate your time and information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankhead10 View Post
    Hey Dilligaff,

    I am surprised to hear about your BB, Hubs, and brake issue. I had the brake warranty situation. Two bike shops got involved. One got in trouble from SRAM because of shady shit they tried to pull. I promised that I would not divulge the details but wow what a piece of crap that one bike shop is and always was.

    My rear hub lets off a big "clank" every once and a while. I recently took it apart and greased the internals.

    Now, could you explain the BB story and the fix for me. Mine is starting to creek like mad and before I pull everything I would like to know your story about the $140.00 fix.

    Thanks Dill. I appreciate your time and information.
    SRAM hydraulic brakes are garbage, IMHO. They were terrible in the juicy days, and I haven't given them a shot since. I have had high end Hope brakes but find that I really prefer Shimano hydro brakes (XT or SLX). I also really like TRP Hylex brakes but you probably won't find those on a fatbike. Regardless, I'm surprised that SRAM has a warranty that extends to 1.5 years, but not surprised that your warranty options are shipping back to BD or paying your LBS to handle it. Any time I've had a warranty issue with something I purchased online I've had to pay to ship it back (not usually both ways though). That's one benefit of buying from an LBS, is they handle the warranty and pay all associated costs.

    I haven't had any issues with my hubs (yet), and as a clydesdale who has busted a fatbike hub in the past I 'm a bit surprised I haven't. At this point I have two full seasons with them and they still seem fine. If they do die I'll probably replace them with Hopes (you absolutely get what you pay for in hubs). When the hub on my Specialized Fatboy died in less than a year (after me bringing it in a few times saying it sounded weird) the shop I bought from claimed that it wasn't a defective part, and after arguing I could only get them to comp the labor while I paid for the replacement parts. As a result I have not and will not purchase(d) from that shop ever again. I wouldn't fault you for not wanting to buy from BD if you had a premature hub failure and they didn't help.

    I've never had a bottom bracket in a fatbike last longer than a year. All the shops I've had my fatbikes serviced at consider them to be wear items that you'll have to replace annually, due to the conditions in which you typically ride a fatbike.
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    I was hoping the the sram guide brakes would give shimano a run for their money. After using the guides RS on my fatbike for a year all I can say is... meh. The brakes are not bad, much better than the craptastic elixirs but nowhere near shimano performance. The lever feel is always somewhat spongy and the power is not on par with shimano. I dont plan to change them for now as they have been, shall I say, adequate.

    I just put deores on my dh bike, they work great, same feel and power I have with the slx brakes on the xc bike. They are cheap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motofatti View Post
    Well, a not so good update on my Ti Sturgis. I have had it for a year and a half and 1,300 miles. The SRAM Guide R Front brake failed. This is no surprise as DOT 4.5 fluid and plastic master cylinder pistons don't mix. Very poor design by SRAM. It is under warranty but SRAM, Bikes Direct and local bike stores won't help.

    SRAM said it needs to go to a bike store. Bikes Direct wants me to pay to ship it to them and pay for return shipping. Local bike stores said they charge hourly for the time they take to call SRAM. I won't pay for a warranty item.

    Our LBSs are aweful which is the reason I went to Bikes Direct. Larry at Bikes Direct won't even return my emails. Disappointed on all ends. Ended up buying XT brakes and threw the SRAM Guide Rs in the garbage. I definitely won't buy a product from SRAM again and probably not Bikes Direct.
    My front break just failed too. Was going to take it to my LBS. The caliper seems to stay actuated, not releasing fully, It still applies pressure but not good. Sat for a month and done.
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    My brakes have been going strong since May when it got replaced (or June) whenever it was..
    I just got the Ibera rack like the one above on this page. Simple design. Lightweight.

    Set it up and took it off. Now I can do some multi-day camping without spending a fortune on more bags and such. I already have a touring bike with panniers.

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    I've used that rack for a few years now and still love it. I used some kydex and made an integrated rear fender that works well and looks good. I just bought another one that came with the quick detatch bags for $50 and they work very well. I think they're worth the money, IMHO, after using non-dedicated ones that did not attach as securely.

    I'm still loving my NTB Ti after 2 years and do not miss my Pug one bit. I'm actually headed to the LBS this morning to get some Wrathchilds since the wife confiscated my D5's last winter for her Boris. I should be able to pick them up studded for about $180 a tire, same as the D5's a few years ago, but these will have the XL studs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    I've used that rack for a few years now and still love it. I used some kydex and made an integrated rear fender that works well and looks good. I just bought another one that came with the quick detatch bags for $50 and they work very well. I think they're worth the money, IMHO, after using non-dedicated ones that did not attach as securely.

    I'm still loving my NTB Ti after 2 years and do not miss my Pug one bit. I'm actually headed to the LBS this morning to get some Wrathchilds since the wife confiscated my D5's last winter for her Boris. I should be able to pick them up studded for about $180 a tire, same as the D5's a few years ago, but these will have the XL studs.

    Hey Dilligaff,

    I am surprised to hear about your BB. Could you explain the BB story and the fix for me. Mine is starting to creek like mad and before I pull everything I would like to know your story about the $140.00 fix.
    Thanks

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    Paging Dilligaff. Dilligaff to the bat phone...

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    Hey! My bottom bracket was creaking and had been for some time. I bought the Phil Wood replacement and all is well. Nothing more to tell really. I didn't want to replace the BB with the same junk so I upgraded. I've had very good luck with Phil Wood in the past and am not disappointed this time either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Hey! My bottom bracket was creaking and had been for some time. I bought the Phil Wood replacement and all is well. Nothing more to tell really. I didn't want to replace the BB with the same junk so I upgraded. I've had very good luck with Phil Wood in the past and am not disappointed this time either.
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    Thanks to the both of you. Happy Holidays!!

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    Way to wrap up 2017!
    I've been riding this thing hard year round since i got it, and have put thousands of miles on the bike at this point, and its been great. after I got the hub problem sorted out, it's been pretty trouble-free. I did have the brakes warrantied through my local shop, and they hooked me up with 4 (yes, 4) new sets of pads. I was thinking about going shimano, but they took care of it so well that i'm just going to stick with the guide's, because I really do like the feel and power.
    my bottom bracket is shot too, and the crank set slides back and fourth in the bike. ive just been riding it, but I will look into that phil wood replacement posted earlier.
    I just serviced my bluto before taking it off for the winter. wish i had the coin to bump up to the mastodon, but even though it's a noodle, the bluto still takes the edge off in the summer.
    Happy fat bike season everyone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Well, I couldn't find anyone who tried to fit a Vee Snowshoe 2XL on the rear of a Night Train Titanium, which are not the same as the aluminum version. I am sorry to say they don't fit on 100mm wheels, but I have not tried them on 80mm wheels yet.


    Thanks for sharing.
    Did you get the axle bolted on with the 2xl?
    If so, what pressure, roughly, was the tire at? Was it tubeless?

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    It was not tubeless, the axle was bolted (I think), and the tire was at 10 pounds. There is absolutely no way it'd fit. The FBR tubeless at any pressure on 100mm rims fits with about 1/4" chain clearance in the lowest gear, for comparison.
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    Still the most fun bike I have ever owned.... Love it.

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    Wrecked my fourth derailleur hanger today, resulting in a long walk out of the woods. Time to stock up on spares again.
    For the coin I've dropped on hangers, I could have bought several new derailleurs now. I believe it to be the only Achilles heel of the bike.
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    Wrecked my fourth derailleur hanger today, resulting in a long walk out of the woods. Time to stock up on spares again.
    For the coin I've dropped on hangers, I could have bought several new derailleurs now. I believe it to be the only Achilles heel of the bike.
    How are you breaking hangers?

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    Rather than walking out, when it's on the stand set the chain so you can put it in the 3rd or 4th cog, then shorten the chain and install a master link. That way if it happens again, you can shorten the chain by removing a section and at least ride out as a singlespeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Rather than walking out, when it's on the stand set the chain so you can put it in the 3rd or 4th cog, then shorten the chain and install a master link. That way if it happens again, you can shorten the chain by removing a section and at least ride out as a singlespeed.
    This is the best advice I've seen in awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodownzero View Post
    How are you breaking hangers?
    usually the bike falls over in the living room, or I look at it funny.
    this was actually the first time I actually felt it was justified. I slid off a skinny and caught it on the log. I think a lower profile derailleur would have missed it entirely, but overall the x7 has been working out pretty well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Rather than walking out, when it's on the stand set the chain so you can put it in the 3rd or 4th cog, then shorten the chain and install a master link. That way if it happens again, you can shorten the chain by removing a section and at least ride out as a singlespeed.
    that's a good idea. I will give it a shot next time I replace my chain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    usually the bike falls over in the living room, or I look at it funny.
    this was actually the first time I actually felt it was justified. I slid off a skinny and caught it on the log. I think a lower profile derailleur would have missed it entirely, but overall the x7 has been working out pretty well.
    As I sit here waiting for my Surly to come into the bike shop where I ordered it, I've been tempted to buy a Ti Motobecane instead, but this issue is frustrating enough that I may just wait for it to come in! I'd hate to be 2 states away from home and not have a spare. Or even for that matter, I'd hate to even have to fix something like that out in the field, even though it's not really a big deal.

    Have you considered having a custom hanger fabricated, maybe out of a stronger material? I have heard of websites where people have had some hangers made. Is the current one aluminum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodownzero View Post
    As I sit here waiting for my Surly to come into the bike shop where I ordered it, I've been tempted to buy a Ti Motobecane instead, but this issue is frustrating enough that I may just wait for it to come in! I'd hate to be 2 states away from home and not have a spare. Or even for that matter, I'd hate to even have to fix something like that out in the field, even though it's not really a big deal.

    Have you considered having a custom hanger fabricated, maybe out of a stronger material? I have heard of websites where people have had some hangers made. Is the current one aluminum?
    Would LOVE to know the URL of that site as my FB5's hangers are nowhere to be found! Any chance of getting it?

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    Have completed one season on my Ti NTB. Purchased Nov 16. I have put 5000 miles on the bike. I have not had brake issues with the Guide brakes, I had a issue with the rear hub occasionally skipping. I serviced it, noticed that one prawl has a rounded nose, regreased with Dumonde Freehub oil. No issues since, even in zero degree weather. I have broken three derailleur hangers. No problems with the SRAM 11 speed gears or Shimano chain. I can't say anything about the BB or crank as I swapped them out at about 300 miles. Ti frame is tough as nails.

    Upgrades:
    Schwalbe 26 X 4.8 Jumbo Jim Snake Skin LT's running a tubeless setup. Won't go with any other tire again. Way low rolling resistance and lighter weight
    KS Lev 125mm dropper post
    Infinity Seat saddle
    Easton carbon bars
    Fenders
    Rack Ibera IB RA4 with REI paniers
    Led head lamp 1500 lumens, tail red led 250 lumens
    Luna 52V BBSHD mid drive with 700 watt/hr LiMn bat

    weight 58.2 lbs

    Currently searching for a source of Ni-Cr wire at about 15-30 ohms per foot to make heated grips and saddle pad.

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    Just the specifics

    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Hey! My bottom bracket was creaking and had been for some time. I bought the Phil Wood replacement and all is well. Nothing more to tell really. I didn't want to replace the BB with the same junk so I upgraded. I've had very good luck with Phil Wood in the past and am not disappointed this time either.


    I just ordered it at my somewhat local bike shop and will let them put it on. Some nasty sounds coming from there last time I rode.

    We shall see...
    Last edited by tankhead10; 02-24-2018 at 12:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hectorlandaeta View Post
    Would LOVE to know the URL of that site as my FB5's hangers are nowhere to be found! Any chance of getting it?

    Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk
    Sorry I didn't see this before. I have come across those sites before, but I didn't save them.

    Google search revealed this site:
    https://wheelsmfg.com/derailleur-hangers.html

    I think that's the one I saw before.

    I ended up buying a Surly ICT because I didn't want to deal with the broken rear hub and hanger issues Motobecane is having. A $2000 bike that breaks because it falls over on the trail, sucks. If mine breaks I'm out an $800 frame, but at least that's far less likely due to the design.

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    For reference: I got my bike back from the shop. The phil wood stainless steel version was installed. I wanted aluminum but my shop guy said "probably better to go with stainless steel for less problems in the long run" Which I agreed with. The old race face seems fine and surprisingly light. But I am sure the bearings were just taking a beating under my weight. Just installed PNW components handlebar 780mm length. Pretty light compared to the Ritchey Comp Bar at 710mm length. Now just waiting for my new grips.

    The reason for the bars and grips is because I didn't cinch the bike on the rear rack tight enough and the bike dropped back and I drug it down the road for about 50 ft., shaving off about a 1/4 inch of bar and grip..... dohhh

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