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    Thanks. Yes, I am new to fat bikes. I am getting ready to pull the trigger on something soon. Thanks for the info.

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    So it is no fatter than say a fatboy in the crank?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo 1971 View Post
    So it is no fatter than say a fatboy in the crank?
    I think the fatboy also uses an RF crank, now. But, I don't know which one - probably depends on the model you're getting. Try'em out, and know that 1x and 2x will allow for different Q-factors, but it depends on the crank / chainring setup that is actually installed.

    I didn't try out any fatbikes in stores, just read a lot and didn't see too many unhappy fatbikers.

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    Did you see the fatboy / Motobecane NightTrain/Sturgis comparison frame video?

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    I just did. Pretty interesting.

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    I'm looking at the Motobecane Titanium NightTrain Bullet fatbike in large. Can anyone tell me what this bike weights complete as shown here:

    Save up to 60% off new Titanium Rockshox Bluto Equipped Fat Bikes and Mountain Bikes - MTB - Motobecane Titanium Sturgis Bullet 2x10 SRAM

    I'd appreciate any information!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmcd View Post
    I'm looking at the Motobecane Titanium NightTrain Bullet fatbike in large. Can anyone tell me what this bike weights complete as shown here:

    Save up to 60% off new Titanium Rockshox Bluto Equipped Fat Bikes and Mountain Bikes - MTB - Motobecane Titanium Sturgis Bullet 2x10 SRAM

    I'd appreciate any information!
    chupathingee reported his Sturgis Bullet Ti Size large "weighs 35 lb 6 oz stock with pedals (34 lb 10 oz without pedals)"

    Since the NightTrain comes with a few upgrades, it should be slightly lighter than that.
    Remember, when you convert the Mulefut rims to tubeless you will lose around another 3 lbs of tubes. (add a little bit back for the kit and sealant)

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    I will be tackling tubesless in the next few days. Waiting on only the tape now. I'll weigh it up and see what it's worth. I have an XL Sturgis Ti.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelterock View Post
    I will be tackling tubesless in the next few days. Waiting on only the tape now. I'll weigh it up and see what it's worth. I have an XL Sturgis Ti.
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    Mine came in @ 34 lbs, crank bors mallet pedals and gorilla tape tubeless. Other than that its still stock.

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    I think the TI and AL frames are of a similar weight. My AL is down to about 27# heavily modded. FYI

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    Just did tubeless on front. Very easy with sunringle tape and wheel strip. We'll see in the morning f its holding air.
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    I built up a ti Sturgis Bullet (size Small.. 15.5") last night. Totally stock, plus eggbeater pedals and a stainless steel King cage weighed in at 35.1 lbs.

    For anyone wondering, the quality of the frame is just like everyone is saying.. excellent. The total package is an amazing deal. My only gripe is that the frame triangle is so small for my size that I can't fit a 24 oz water bottle in the cage. I'll have to hunt down some small bottles.

    Now if I can find some time to swap out the rim strips and go tubeless, I could drop a couple pounds off this piggie!

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    I did 6.6 miles with my kids this weekend with Tubeless in the front wheel only. Bike handled great with less self steer at 5-6psi and almost none at 10psi and above on the snowshow 4.5". I hope to get the rear tubeless on Thursday. Not knowing much if anything about Fat Bikes and especially Tubeless, even after reading about it, I am really glad my Sturgis came with the Mulefut rims. Having seen and felt the Boris X5 with Weinnmans 80mm they are a huge value to the bike and the Alu Sturgis/Night Train are an exceptional value with Bluto and Mulefut spec.
    I like the Ti frame. Its welded up very well and looks great, rides great, and is $500 more than the similarly equipped Alu Strugis. I went Ti because of the salt environment but I think it's the the most expensive part of the package and a luxury.
    Ti or no Ti I think the value lies in the wheels, Bluto and general performance of the bike. I'm very happy with my choice.
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    I went tubeless in the back tire last night and did 4.5 miles on the beach this morning. Works amazingly well. The conversion is so easy with the mulefut tape and rimstrip.
    I highly recommend it to anyone, best $60 on strips, tape, vales and sealant.
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    I'll probably be doing that this weekend. Did you use a compressor to inflate the tires or just a pump?
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    Question, how come these Ti bikes are so heavy? I thought Ti was lighter than Aluminum. I guess I was expecting these bikes to come in right around 30lbs, rather than 35+. The components are pretty good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFriday View Post
    I'll probably be doing that this weekend. Did you use a compressor to inflate the tires or just a pump?
    I used a floor pump with valve core removed.

    When you mount up the rim strip, make sure it's centered properly. I used an alcohol swab to clean the rim bead and rim strip then started my tape job opposite the valve opening and went once around with a 4-5inch overlap.

    Then with fingers, sqwish down the tape on the bead and where ever possible on the rimstrip. Air does get trapped in the tape job on top of the rimstrip. It doesn't seem to want to escape through the rimstrip so that nylon strip seems well made.

    The process of putting the tape on involves sitting on a chair with both feet holding the rim while tensioning the tape as it is applied. This allows you to center the tape and make sure there are no wrinkles on the bead seat.

    With the tire remounted, I made sure that at least one side of the bead was as close to seated by hand, from the inside as possible, and then tugged the other bead out as tight as possible. 20PSI set the bead, 3-4 pops to make sure it was set everywhere evenly.
    Deflate, add Stan's 4-5 oz and reinflate, shake, spin, do a dance, remount on bike and rode around.

    The hardest part is getting the tire off and the rimstrip on. Both are pretty tight.
    I figure 3 lbs saved. maybe a 33lbs bike now.
    The ride was significantly improved. SMoother and more compliant with the ground, lighter and easier to accelerate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyriverag View Post
    Question, how come these Ti bikes are so heavy? I thought Ti was lighter than Aluminum. I guess I was expecting these bikes to come in right around 30lbs, rather than 35+. The components are pretty good.
    Ti is not neccessarily lighter than alu. It's all on the construction. $500 more for Ti and similar weight. I look at it for corrosion prevention as I ride in salt water and on the beach. The ride compliance is quite different where Alu doesn't flex as much. Ti feels like a chromoly frame, but won't rust.

    Most Ti bikes are setup 1X and due to cost of the frame they usually are spec'd high end. I think the 30lbs thinking is a function of that, usually $3500-$5000 bikes.
    Ora Engineering makes the frame. The Ritchey cockpit is entry level, so is the seat. The Ride crank on the Sturgis is entry level and X7 stuff too. The Bluto contributes some weight.
    For $2000 you get an amazing bike. I didn't realize until I went Tubeless, how much of a difference that makes. Seeing the left over Sturgis and Night Trains with Weinmann 80 rims, I definietly don't think they are a value. Mulefut makes a big improvement in the bike.
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    I bought a Ti bike for the same reasons Shelterock gives.. rides like chromoly but is darn near indestructible and impervious to rust.

    The tubes on this bike are pretty large in diameter compared to a lot of Ti builders. I was a little surprised to see that, altho it is fairly obvious in photos. I think that is why the weight is similar to Alu frames.

    Mostly the added weight is in the crank and Bluto. If you had an Alu frame with the same exact build, you'd see no difference in weight.

    But, I figure if you went tubeless you'd drop about 3 lbs immediately. And weight weenies could hunt down some lightweight tires and drop 1-2 lbs for a pair. And a lightweight crank like the Next cinch system could lose a pound. That would bring it under 30lbs. Not bad at all for a fat bike with a Bluto!

    But, as Shelterock mentioned, you'll see the most difference when you lose rotating weight. Lightweight hubs won't be that noticable, but losing the tubes and going to lighter tires will make the wheels accelerate much quicker and be easier on climbs.
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    OK yeah, good point, I forgot about the Bluto. I love the Mulefuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyriverag View Post
    Question, how come these Ti bikes are so heavy? I thought Ti was lighter than Aluminum. .
    Remember that class called "Science" you took in school?
    If you did....you'd know that titanium is heavier than aluminum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Remember that class called "Science" you took in school?
    If you did....you'd know that titanium is heavier than aluminum.
    Feathers are heavier than either... Although much less dense.

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    got mine out for a few rides this weekend. It handles beautifully, and the extra weight really isn't all that noticeable once you're rolling.

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    Looks good. Go tubeless yet? Gets better.
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    Thanks! I have to adjust to the Q factor, but I don't notice that much when I get into anything remotely technical. Otherwise it's a pleasure to ride.

    I tried to go tubeless in front after the ride but couldn't get the tire off. It's like the tire is hermetically sealed or something. I was reading the Mulefut Tubeless thread this afternoon to get ideas. Guess I just need to keep working on it to loosen it up. Maybe it would be easier after I get some miles on the tires and they break in.
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    I had to stand on the tire to get it off the bead and then some tire iron wrangling to get it off the rim. It's tight and the hardest part of converting. Oh, have fun with the rim strip too.

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    I crossed over 1000 miles on my Ti NT Bullet last night. No modifications yet, however going tubeless will be my first change. The wheel weight is noticeable on steep climbs but not so much on trails with rollers.

    The frame is truly amazing. It has been put through the ringer and overall I am impressed. The welds get the most positive comments.

    Oddly, I have snapped the derailleur hanger. Took a weird fall and the hanger took a direct hit. Thankfully I packed the spare so it wasn't a long walk home. Replacements are pending from BD.

    +1 for standing on the side of the tire to break the bead. Unless you've ridden the tire for a while and the temp is up, the tire will be a hassle to remove.

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    SpartanBrewer, 1000 miles since delivery in late September. Good going! How are the Snowshoes wearing? What tires are you running?
    I realized after the tubeless conversion, I would not want to deal with a flat tube in this rim on a 20f day on the side of the trail.
    JoeFriday, you have a picture of the rack installed to share?
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    Quote Originally Posted by carbonguy View Post
    Answering my own question now, maybe it will help someone. My bike seems to fit fine, only rode it for ~10 second in the driveway last night, but the 17.5" frame seemed to fit alright for my 5'11" height.
    I just returned a fat boy this weekend. I ordered a medium. It felt small. I am the same measurements as you. Do you have a huge amount of seat post sticking out? Could you measure the amount of seat post you have exposed, please? Pics would also help a great deal.....Thanks in advance.
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    Thank you very much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPaul View Post
    <long post apology goes here>

    Hi Guys,

    It's been great reading about everyone's experiences anticipating and/or getting their Ti Moto fatbikes, so I thought I'd chime in with mine.

    My 19" Night Train arrived on Tuesday, and Garmin tells me I've spent 36 miles and about 5,300' with it since then.

    This bike is *smooth*.

    Aside from adjusting to the monster Q-factor, have had no problem getting comfortable on the bike and it rides/pedals very well. Handling isn't quick, but is very stable in turns and switchbacks, and it keeps its line well on climbs. I'm a Jr. Clyde with a fairly high cadence, and haven't noticed any frame flex yet (even on steeper pitches/higher efforts).

    I'm mainly a XC rider so I set the bike up to mimic my XC bike. Then I just started riding the steep kitty litter and moon dust covered trails and fire roads in the SF Bay Area, and this bike has performed flawlessly. Need to play more with the Bluto, but it is taking the edge off of the concrete-like ruts I need to deal with out here.

    Still in my New Bike daze, but I'm very pleased with this bike after spending a few hours with it. Looking forward to many more.

    Cheers,
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    - The frame is beautiful. Welds and finish look very nice.
    - Bike arrived with blemish on the same "O" as shelterock pictures in post #97. Will be giving BikesDirect that feedback as this must be happening prior to shipment to be so consistent.
    - My bike came with X-9 shifters. Spec sheet was (and still is) X-7 when I bought it. I'm very happy to get this upgrade. Everything else is per the specs.
    - Bike arrived with a spare derailleur hanger. Little things...
    - No surprises during assembly (just the joy of carefully extracting this behemoth from its box!).
    - Did need to put on some zip ties for hoses/cables where a couple clips were missing and a couple more looked ready to pop off. Recommend having some on hand when assembling just in case.
    - Shifting and Braking did not need any adjustment out of the box. I *didn't* expect this, and was prepared to align/adjust derailleurs and brakes as part of setting up the new bike. This is actually my 3rd Motobecane and they have been 3 for 3 in terms of shifting and braking just working right out of the box for me. This includes no need for bleeding 2x Avid hydro brakesets and 1 Shimano.
    - Snowshoes with tubes had some self-steer for me at 8psi and below. 10 psi it is for now. Probably sitting around 210 lbs all geared/watered up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankhead10 View Post
    How tall are you please? Congrats and hope the bike still makes you

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    Hi Tankhead,

    I'm 6' tall, with ~32" inseam. The 19" was the right choice for me.

    And I remain very happy with the bike! -> spending several hours a week on it on the local trails, and haven't had any problems yet.

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelterock View Post
    JoeFriday, you have a picture of the rack installed to share?
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    Here's what I came up with after a trip to a few bike shops. It's a Bontrager BackRack Deluxe.

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    I realize after looking at my photos that it could sit a little lower. But that could be accomplished by drilling bolt holes in the lower mounting bracket locations. You could drop it maybe an inch that way.

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    The top tucks in under my saddle, and I doubt I could avoid that due to my frame geometry. That limits the usability of the rack, but I never planned to put anything on top. Most of the other racks I considered were ridiculously tall resulting in hitting the saddle and wouldn't fit at all. As it is, it easily clears the disc brake and mounts up in just a minute or two.

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    As you can see, there's plenty of clearance for a fender, and that's a 4.5" Snowshoe. No worries if you want to go wider.

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    The rack is aluminum, so long-term durability might be a concern. But it seems pretty solid and mounts very firmly. I had to spread the lower mounting brackets about an inch apart, which was very easy to do by hand. And the upper seatstay mounting extenders needed a little light bending, and aren't actually mounted to the rack in the recommended location (the front crossbar that is slightly lower than the others). But it's fine for me and is very solid.

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    I haven't had a chance to test it for heel clearance yet, so it might not be the final solution. But for $45 I didn't mind taking a chance.

    So this was the best solution I found so far. But if I feel this one doesn't work out, I might look at the Salsa Alternator Rack 190. But those cost $120... almost triple! Plus, I prefer my rack to be silver. It seems to play very well with my Ortliebs, but we'll see once I get it rolling.

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    I haven't posted in a while so I thought I would throw a quick update out here.

    I've been very happy with the bike. As others have mentioned the wheels are nice, and frame is excellent. This is my first fatbike with a shock and I'm loving it out on singletrack.

    Here's a photo of my summer setup. My only gripe is the front triangle is a bit smaller than other large framed bikes, and I had a hard time fitting my shorty water bottles in the cages.

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    For those asking sizing questions, I'm 6'0" with a 33.5" inseam and I think the large fits me perfectly. IIRC the Niner RDO seatpost goes up to 9 from the minimum insertion point for measurement marks and I have mine around 7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelterock View Post
    I had to stand on the tire to get it off the bead and then some tire iron wrangling to get it off the rim. It's tight and the hardest part of converting. Oh, have fun with the rim strip too.
    Agreed, getting the stock tires off the rims was tough. VERY tight seat. I had to stand on the tire as well (make sure you support the rim and don't put a lot of pressure sideways on the axle, it could damage the cartridge bearings from what I've been told).

    I used the Sun Ringle tubeless tape for my conversion, it's been a month and no leaks (I'm even running non tubeless ready tires).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chupathingee View Post
    My only gripe is the front triangle is a bit smaller than other large framed bikes, and I had a hard time fitting my shorty water bottles in the cages.
    Since I have the smallest frame, I had to resort to using a side entry cage, and got some 12oz water bottles. There was no way I could use a regular cage with any bottle. It seems pretty obvious from that and the size of the tubing that the frame manufacturers simply changed the geometry with no other regard for fit.

    I still think it's a great bike, but to do it right they should change the cage locations and go to size-specific tubing. I really don't need tubing that thick to haul around my 135 lbs body compared to clydesdales. Thinner tubing would probably shave a half pound off the frame and make it a little more compliant.
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    Thanks for the responses. I always use a camelback when I ride to that makes little difference to me. I am ordering large now. Thanks again.

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    Ordered. Thanks for all the information. I have a great feeling about this......

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    Stock Snowshoes are showing signs of wear due to the volume of miles on asphalt trails. They probably were not designed for this type of riding but my goal was to get to 1k as fast as I could .....build fitness/drop some weight.

    No cut marks at all which is a little amazing. These are the 120tpi tires.

    I'm chasing a buzzing that seems to be from a cable housing. Really my only complaint.

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    Btw what size stem comes standard with the bike? I did not see an option? 90mm?

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    Depends on the frame size. I believe it goes...

    Small - 70mm
    Medium/Large - 80mm
    XLarge - 90mm
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    Quote Originally Posted by tankhead10 View Post
    Btw what size stem comes standard with the bike? I did not see an option? 90mm?
    My 19" frame came with 80mm stem.

    And -> congrats on pulling the trigger! I hope the new bike works out well for you. Time to change your holiday plans next week...

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    It's been a.bout ten years got the annual thanksgiving ride....New tradition.. Thanks and happy thanksgiving Paul
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    Ok, no big. I can source out depending on need. Just wondering.......Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankhead10 View Post
    It's been a.bout ten years got the annual thanksgiving ride....New tradition.. Thanks and happy thanksgiving Paul
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    It's been about ten years since I've attended the annual thanksgiving ride......

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankhead10 View Post
    I just returned a fat boy this weekend. I ordered a medium. It felt small. I am the same measurements as you. Do you have a huge amount of seat post sticking out? Could you measure the amount of seat post you have exposed, please? Pics would also help a great deal.....Thanks in advance.

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    Had my seatpost at 7/10 while wearing Neos overshoes. Pretty happy with the fit. Put the bigger spacer under the stem (thin washer is on top, now), and moved seat forward by 1/4".

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    very nice, carbonguy! How do you like those Dillingers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPaul View Post
    My 19" frame came with 80mm stem.

    Paul
    How tall are you? I'm 6'0" and have waffled endlessly about 17.5" vs 19" frame. I lean toward "flickable" but I already have a 17" Boris X9 FS and its geometry is ~7mm bigger than the NTB. When I first got the Boris I complained it was a little too small but even with a 60mm stem on it I've positioned the cockpit into something I'm pretty happy with. Not sure I'd still be happy with -1cm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomcom View Post
    How tall are you? I'm 6'0" and have waffled endlessly about 17.5" vs 19" frame.
    Hi thomcom,

    I'm 6' as well, with ~32" inseam (possibly slightly shorter inseam).

    My 19" frame bike is set up with 9" of seatpost exposed (from top of seat tube to bottom of seat clamp). Have been able to adjust seat so reach is fine with the 80mm stock stem.

    You can see my bike in post 119, but note that I am more of an XC/long climb rider -> don't have any flickability perspective.

    FWIW, I think the 17.5" frame would be too small for me with:
    - almost 40mm more seat tube exposed
    - almost an inch less top tube length
    - same length chainstay (460mm) and head tube angle (69.5) -> no difference in on-paper performance to those that put a premium on these numbers

    Good luck with your decision! (but I'd go 19"...)
    Paul

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    hi JoeFriday
    how tall are you ? I am 5,7 with 30 inseam, on the Bd web site it say I should pick small, but I think I should go with medium, anyone got any thought can help me here

    thanks!

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    Go with the small. I am 5' 8" with 30" inseam and I went with the medium (17" Night Train rigid) and I regret it. I should've gone with the BD recommendation for a small. You want more stand-over clearance in the snow.


    Quote Originally Posted by kuanlin View Post
    hi JoeFriday
    how tall are you ? I am 5,7 with 30 inseam, on the Bd web site it say I should pick small, but I think I should go with medium, anyone got any thought can help me here

    thanks!

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