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    Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    Since the trend seems to be to break away from the massive and hard to read/hard to follow generic Moto fat bikes thread, I figured I would start one for the Sturgis & Night Train.

    I have a Night Train Bullet on order. Looking forward to it showing up, unfortunately, the reciept I have shows a ship date of 11/05. Other folks had ones earlier in October.

    Anyway - Three questions to get this ball rolling:

    1 - Are you going to change anything right off the bat?
    2 - Did you buy for winter, sand, trail, or all?
    3 - What date did your ship notice show?

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    1 - Are you going to change anything right off the bat?
    - I've got a reverb that doesn't fit any of my existing bikes, so that will go on
    - Saddle/bars/grips. I know what works for me and I'm pretty sure what it comes with isn't it.
    - Tires are a maybe.

    2 - Did you buy for winter, sand, trail, or all?
    Snow. I'm sure I'll bring it out for some trail rides done at a social pace. I don't expect it to become my "go to" bike though.

    3 - What date did your ship notice show?
    Mine shows Oct 28th as a ship date. I don't think it means much though. They'll all go out within a matter of days once the pallets arrive at BD. I ordered mine at a time when they were adjusting the estimated ship date. I think the ordering system just hadn't been updated yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by car_nut View Post
    1 - Did you buy for winter, sand, trail, or all?
    Snow. I'm sure I'll bring it out for some trail rides done at a social pace. I don't expect it to become my "go to" bike though.
    All conditions riding! I already have Easton Haven stem and post, RXL 720mm carbon bars, ESI grips, Prologo seat ready to go on.

    Spring time will call for lighter wheels and hopefully 27.5 tires to get it ready for the trails...can't wait!

    Also can't wait for the snow to fly (never thought I would say that) but this will be the 1st winter on a snow bike for fat bike for that matter...Bring it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pearsth View Post
    Anyway - Three questions to get this ball rolling:

    1 - Are you going to change anything right off the bat?

    2 - Did you buy for winter, sand, trail, or all?

    3 - What date did your ship notice show?
    1 - Are you going to change anything right off the bat?
    Bars, saddle, stem, grips, etc...point of contact, cockpit fit type stuff.
    Actually considering purchasing a Framed Alaskan Carbon frame for a switch out.
    As this is my first FB, I'm waiting for a minute to test it out and be sure about sizing before going forward with this one...hard to be patient though


    2 - Did you buy for winter, sand, trail, or all?
    I live in NorCal so it will be a trail bike. Not much snow/sand riding where I am. Might get up to Tahoe once in a while for some snow but not regularly.

    3 - What date did your ship notice show?
    Oct 18...hoping the possible delay they emailed about doesn't happen but prepared if it doesn't come until late Oct.
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    Long time reader... First Time Poster

    On fence to pre-order still. This'll be my first new MTB since middle school (20 years ago) I'm still rocking my Trek 7000 hard tail.

    That said.... new bike lust is high with this bike, have ridden a few fat boys and farleys. Really wanting a bluto equipped fat tire bike, and the specs on this bike make it worth it for the components alone.

    If i do order, I'll likely change nothing right off the bat, to get a feel for the bike, and then in order go 1x10 w/ WolfsTooth/OneUP 42 tooth, Seat, Grips.

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    WSUPolar...I warn you. I had a 97 Stumpjumper and finally bought a new bike - 2010 Stumpjumper Carbon Expert. Was an amazing upgrade, but broke the seal o years of holding back. Since then, bought am Airborne Wingman for dirt jump, and now the Night Train Bullet is on order. Too many bikes, too little time.
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    [QUOTE=pearsth;11467150]Anyway - Three questions to get this ball rolling:
    1 - Are you going to change anything right off the bat?
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    Forgot to add that I have already upgraded my wheelset. Got a great set built up by mikesee. I9 hubs and Mulefut rims with Bud/Lou combo. Maybe overkill for NorCal dirt but whatever...it'll be fun

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    Just changed to Sturgis Bullet White 10/28. (Green non-bullet Sturgis cancelled) I'm just getting into cycling. I'm liking the skinny tire road bike and want to continue riding into the winter so Fat seems like a good way to go. From what I can tell, the bike is setup fine the way it is and I won't know what to add or change until I ride the thing.
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    Black Night Train ordered! Looking forward to riding the snowmobile and ski trails this winter here in Maine! ...and it just might become my year round trail bike, too!

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    I have a Sturgis Bullet on order. Ship date was late October but then got an email about it probably going into November.

    1 - Are you going to change anything right off the bat? - Yes. My pile of parts for bikes I do not have yet is getting silly. I have carbon bars (Bontrager XXX, XT brakes, FSA Seatpost, grips and tubeless stuff already).
    2 - Did you buy for winter, sand, trail, or all? Bought this one as a winter bike. I will be going rigid and putting the Bluto on my Salsa Bucksaw frame once it comes (Jan delivery).
    3 - What date did your ship notice show?

    I was tempted to get the red but ended up with the charcoal.

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    As tempting as the prices may be, this guy reviewed a Night Train prototype- granted it had double-walled rims, but at 37 lbs with no pedals...wow that is a lot of bike to be pushing around.

    First Ride: 2015 Motobecane NightTrain Bullet Fatbike | Singletracks Mountain Bike Blog

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    That's true. I wonder though with the brake and rim upgrade, then a seat post, stem, handlebar, saddle switch and a split tube what the weight could be for just a couple hundred more dollars.

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    I'm sure the excess weight is more in the frame. Part of the deal when its that much cheaper. I may end up with one of these because name brand bikes are too much money. I just looked at new KTM 300 Xcw for $7000 out the door so why the hell should a bicycle cost in the same neighborhood as a fully decked out enduro motorcycle?

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    There's a guy who knows nice dirt bikes! KTM makes some really nice stuff.

    I don't mean to knock the Motobecane stuff either- just kind of thinking out loud. Even buying a Fatboy Expert, for example, and adding a Bluto yourself (and a hub, etc.) you are likely pushing $3,500.00.

    Certainly it'll be lighter than a Sturgis or NightTrain...but, is it worth more than twice the price? I don't know.

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    One thing I found in the comments section is that the author mentioned that the production bike would have lighter tires.

    He also menitoned that he had hoped to post the final review before Interbike but some last minute part swaps (like adding Guide brakes which will be shipping with the Night Train) have delayed things a bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by NDTransplant View Post
    As tempting as the prices may be, this guy reviewed a Night Train prototype- granted it had double-walled rims, but at 37 lbs with no pedals...wow that is a lot of bike to be pushing around.

    First Ride: 2015 Motobecane NightTrain Bullet Fatbike | Singletracks Mountain Bike Blog

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    That's true. And with the lighter wheel set, and maybe putting in some lighter tubes (Q-Tubes?)...or, of course, tubeless.

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    I was active in the MB thread back in August when trying to figure out what to order, especially size-wise.

    Did anyone notice the new sizing chart on the Night Train/Sturgis? I am 5'8" and almost always ride a "medium" or 17" frame. Which all happens to be about 585-590mm effective top tube. When I ordered in August, the 15.5" had an ETT of 593mm. The 17.5" had an ETT of 598mm. When I emailed BD to question the paltry5mm difference in a 2" larger bike, they said "due to the fat tires, we can only make a frame so short without toe overlap". So I ordered the 15.5" for the extra standover.

    However, on their website now, the 15.5" has been updated to a 575mm ETT! (17.5" remains at 598mm) Which will be far too short for me. Anyone who could decide between the 15.5 or 17.5" frame and decided on the 15.5", I would strongly recommend you go back and review the geometry chart again now that they've updated it. The 15.5" now falls in line with my original expectations of size with a very short 575mm ETT.

    I've now changed my order to a 17.5" frame as a result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neons97 View Post
    I was active in the MB thread back in August when trying to figure out what to order, especially size-wise.

    Did anyone notice the new sizing chart on the Night Train/Sturgis?

    However, on their website now, the 15.5" has been updated to a 575mm ETT! (17.5" remains at 598mm) Which will be far too short for me. Anyone who could decide between the 15.5 or 17.5" frame and decided on the 15.5", I would strongly recommend you go back and review the geometry chart again now that they've updated it. The 15.5" now falls in line with my original expectations of size with a very short 575mm ETT.
    Argh!!! That is pretty frustrating to find out. I wonder if they ever intended to tell any of us that have orders in for the 15" now 15.5"?

    Checking the specs compared to my current ride, it seems I should be on the 17.5" as well. In reality, I think I could fit either size with a stem adjustment but I don't want toe overlap. I wouldn't mind the extra standover and just getting a longer stem either.

    To those in the know...what are the pros/cons of going with the smaller size when you are a tweener?
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    Hi All. I have a Sturgis Bullet on order. Anyone know what the rim size is? Here is what is on their website:

    WEINMANN HL80 ALLOY SINGLE WALL 26" x 73/80xH24 , 26x3.0-4-1/2 ,32H,W/FV BLACK ANOD.W/O EYELET , W/O CNC , W/ BIG HOLES ( 32mm ) / 14Gx64PCS STAINLESS W/BRASS 14MM NIPPLE.

    Does this mean 80mm? Thanks.

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    Yeah it is an 80mm rim.

    I will disagree about the Motobecane frames being heavy - at least the one I have. I have a Fantom 29er Pro and stripped it down to the frame and it was very light. Under 4lbs for a large size frame. Not too bad for a budget frame. Obviously with the wider profile the Sturgis/NT frames will be heavier but not by too much. The Boris weights seem to be coming in at normal fat bike numbers, given the build spec. I have new bars and seatpost coming - the MB ones are very heavy.

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    thanks for the reply. I haven't even gotten the bike yet and I'm wondering if 29+ wheels will fit. Anyone with any thoughts or guesses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbum1 View Post
    thanks for the reply. I haven't even gotten the bike yet and I'm wondering if 29+ wheels will fit. Anyone with any thoughts or guesses?
    I am guessing they will, but I'm holding out for some mid sized 27.5 alum rims to be released. Possibly the Hugo or similar setup under 65 mm wide. Also waiting for a decent tire in the mid 3's to match up with tweeter rims. This bike comes stock setup for snow and sand, but it will sail thru the trails with better wheels and tires!
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    How come there is no small frames (15.5) with the Bluto?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcriverjunky View Post
    How come there is no small frames (15.5) with the Bluto?
    Sold out maybe? I had a 15.5" Night Train Bullet ordered back in August. Then changed my mind and confirmed a 15.5" Sturgis Bullet. And now went to a 17.5" (non-bullet). Unless this is another change that the 15.5" won't clear the Bluto fork anymore due to the updated geometry.

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    Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    Anyone know if the surly ice cream truck fork will fit the bullet models in place of the bluto? From what I can tell it should.

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    Surly ICT /483mm axle to crown, 47mm offset. Now all you have to do is find out the NT #'s

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    Quote Originally Posted by neons97 View Post
    Sold out maybe? I had a 15.5" Night Train Bullet ordered back in August. Then changed my mind and confirmed a 15.5" Sturgis Bullet. And now went to a 17.5" (non-bullet). Unless this is another change that the 15.5" won't clear the Bluto fork anymore due to the updated geometry.
    So there was some listed. Guess I'll keep waiting.

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    I have a white 19Ē on order. As for changes? Iím a single speed guy so I will consider converting the Bullet to SS and selling the extra parts. If I really like it I might pick up a Carbon frame unbranded and move all of the parts over I need and sell off all of the extra stuff. So far as I can tell the Bullet with Bluto is about the best deal out there, if there is a better one I havenít found it.

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    Would anyone care to comment on why they for for the sturgis or night train? Are the upgraded tires and brakes worth it? I guess higher tpi tires are better? I have a sturgis bullet in order but am now considering upgrading for the extra $200. I would love to get some thoughts from anyone who has them. Thanks.

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    Re: Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by beachbum1 View Post
    Would anyone care to comment on why they for for the sturgis or night train? Are the upgraded tires and brakes worth it? I guess higher tpi tires are better? I have a sturgis bullet in order but am now considering upgrading for the extra $200. I would love to get some thoughts from anyone who has them. Thanks.
    Better brakes makes a big difference on heavy bikes. That and the upgraded drive train was worth the extra $200 for me.

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    That's great to know. I don't have any experience with fat bikes so I I'm buying blind to some degree(aside from online research of course.)

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    It looks like by upgrading my order from Sturgis to Sturgis bullet, I'm losing the series of 3 bolts on each side of the fork. I wonder if I'll miss that?

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    I went with the Sturgis Bullet - mostly because of cost and I will probably end up swapping the brakes to Shimano anyway (already have 5 MTB's in the house with Shimano brakes), tires and rear derailleurs are consumables - I will have to replace them anyway. Either bike is a great deal, but having already bought 3 new bikes this year AND putting a deposit on a new Salsa Bucksaw I figured the $200 saved was a better option for me than the X9 stuff.

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    Parts on the Night Train that are "better" than the Sturgis:

    Price Comparison On Amazon.com
    Rear Derailer - x9 vs x7 (About $30 difference)
    Shifters - x7 vs x5 (About $12 difference)
    Brakes - Guide RS vs Tektro Draco (About $170 / pair difference)

    Price Comparison on eBay
    Tires - 120TP vs 72TPI (Around $50 / pair difference)

    So, for $200, getting around $262 retail "better" stuff to upgrade to the Night Train. Keep in mind that that is the DIFFERENCE in price buying new. Not the price to replace something with an upgrade. For example, if you want to upgrade the tires to 120TPI, you are looking at spending $150-$200. At that point you've blown it assuming you don't mind the Vee Snowshoe for a 120tpi tire. I doubt you could sell the "take offs" at full retail price to get to the $50 difference. Likewise for the rest of the parts, especially the brakes.

    If somebody is trying to determine what to buy, I would say if you are like the poster above and plan to swap things out, get the lower priced version. If you are like me, and plan on riding "as is", the $200 may be worth it - assuming the Guide RS are that much better and the weight of the tires matters to you. I will say that I have Tektro Draco brakes on my jump bike and they work just fine and don't give me any issues. However, that is with 26" wheels on a bike that I just play around on and don't ride much. Fat Bike mileage may vary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neons97 View Post
    Unless this is another change that the 15.5" won't clear the Bluto fork anymore due to the updated geometry.
    Do you have information that this is true? Or just speculating?

    I haven't received any info from BD about this but would be really unhappy if there ends up being a clearance issue for the Bluto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnThaCouch View Post
    Do you have information that this is true? Or just speculating?

    I haven't received any info from BD about this but would be really unhappy if there ends up being a clearance issue for the Bluto.
    Purely speculation in the absence of any official information. But it would be odd that all 15.5" frames sold out before the more traditional 17"/19" sizes.

    However, the new frame geometry of the 15.5" is truth according to their latest frame geometry on their website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neons97 View Post
    Purely speculation in the absence of any official information. But it would be odd that all 15.5" frames sold out before the more traditional 17"/19" sizes.

    However, the new frame geometry of the 15.5" is truth according to their latest frame geometry on their website.
    I hear ya. When I ordered mine it was a 15" not 15.5". The "silent" geometry change with a lack of contacting anyone that ordered one when the old geo charts were up is pretty lame. I have an email into BD about changing to the 17.5" as it is now closer to my current rig.

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    Since this is an experiment in fat biking for me and I will likely change out to SS I stopped at the Bullet with Bluto fork. I was going to go rigid but reviews of the Bluto seem favorable so that's where my extra money went. If and when I get different tires I will want the choice of the market.

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    Chose the Sturgis Bullet as I plan to replace the tires and can use the $200 saved (vs the Nighttrain Bullet) towards those. But I had to think about this for a while as all of the bikes seem like great deals making it hard to choose.

    By the way here is the stock as of this morning. To check stock just add about 10 to your cart and press "check out" it comes back with how many are available.

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    Sturgis/Night train suspension corrected? Any of you geometry guru's have thoughts on if the frame is as lively with a suspension fork as without. A friend rode the new Trek Farley with Bluto and said it was razor quick. The Bullet/Night train frame and Farley have the same seat/head tube angles. In the pictures it looks set back more vs. the non suspension model.

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    Singletracks Final Review of the NightTrain Bullet is up and it goes into a bit more detail as to how the bike rides.

    "Steep climbs were a cinch, and I didnít really need any of my usual tricks to avoid breaking traction while ascending slippery roots and loose rocks. Rock gardens that normally required concentration to maintain a reasonable line were navigable on autopilot. Steep, rolling drops felt less daunting; I was, after all, riding on a pair of donut-shaped marshmallows. Chunky, fast descents were a breeze thanks to the Bluto suspension fork."

    Final Review: Motobecane NightTrain Bullet Fat Bike | Singletracks Mountain Bike Blog

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    Only about a month to go. :-)

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    I have officially upgraded from sturgis to night train!



    Quote Originally Posted by GaryBee View Post
    Singletracks Final Review of the NightTrain Bullet is up and it goes into a bit more detail as to how the bike rides.

    "Steep climbs were a cinch, and I didnít really need any of my usual tricks to avoid breaking traction while ascending slippery roots and loose rocks. Rock gardens that normally required concentration to maintain a reasonable line were navigable on autopilot. Steep, rolling drops felt less daunting; I was, after all, riding on a pair of donut-shaped marshmallows. Chunky, fast descents were a breeze thanks to the Bluto suspension fork."

    Final Review: Motobecane NightTrain Bullet Fat Bike | Singletracks Mountain Bike Blog

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    If I got a sturgis and I want to get a ice cream truck frame in the future could I swap all the parts over? It seems the rims are the same size. How about the crank and bb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoobash View Post
    If I got a sturgis and I want to get a ice cream truck frame in the future could I swap all the parts over? It seems the rims are the same size. How about the crank and bb?
    The BB is a definite no. The crank is a maybe. It should fit but you might need some ~2mm spacers.
    The lower headset is a no. Not sure about the upper.
    The seatpost and saddle clamp are a no. The front derailleur looks to be a no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoobash View Post
    If I got a sturgis and I want to get a ice cream truck frame in the future could I swap all the parts over? It seems the rims are the same size. How about the crank and bb?
    I got my Sturgis Bullet ordered, then test rode a Salsa Bucksaw at a demo day. I thought, hey I can buy the Bucksaw frame and swap all the parts over. Seemed like a good idea, but the only parts that will really swap over are front wheel, Bluto (I hope the steer tube is long enough), rear derailleur and shifter. I ended up just buying all new parts for the Bucksaw - and several upgrade parts for the Sturgis. :-)
    I really hope the Bluto will work, but then I need to find a rigid fork that will fit the Sturgis, but should be cheaper than a $550 Bluto.

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    I received the following email from BD today. Looks like the NT/Sturgis are en route to the states. More bikes and separate frames/forks due the beginning of next year. (bold added by me)
    Hi, Thank you for pre-ordering a New Motobecane FatBike.

    Many customers have the idea that we get bikes from just one factory. The fact is; we receive bikes from 3 different factories in Taiwan and 3 different factories in China.

    The Factory that produces the Sturgis, Night Train, Lurch, and Boris The Brut FAT BIKE models is unsurpassed in quality by ANY factory in Asia. However, like all bicycle factories, their volume and experience with Fat Bikes is limited. Fat Bikes are after all a small and relatively new market.

    Our first run of Lurchs sold out and reviews by customers have been fantastic overall. However, we felt packing could be improved. Therefore, our CEO had the factory slow down production, increase inspections, and improve packing. In order to meet shipping requests, the factory had workers over time during the weekend.

    Great News; the Sturgis and Night Train models are on the way. Better News; we feel there are no higher quality aluminum Fat Bikes produced.

    Based on latest shipping confirmation these bikes could arrive at our Dallas warehouse anywhere from October 27th to November 10th. We wish that links in the distribution chain was as predictable as links in a bike chain. Of course, ocean vessels, trains, longshoremen, US Customs, and local truckers all have their own ideas on timely execution of their duties.

    We are very excited to see the customer response to these bikes.

    In January, Sturgis Bullet framesets will be available AND an extra shipment of complete Sturgis / Night Train bikes. Also in January, we will get Sturgis AL forks, Sturgis Express CF forks, and Lurch chrome-moly forks.

    Thanks again,

    Order Processing Team at Bikes Direct

    Be Safe and Have Fun

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    nice!

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    SO EXCITED!!!! now I just have to keep myself occupied until the end of the month.

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