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    Quote Originally Posted by longknives View Post
    I got the 6 bolt disk version, but yes that is the hub.

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    Tentatively planning on buying a 2017 Motobecane Sturgis.

    In addition, I reheheally want 100mm rims. Any guesses on the minimum it would cost to outfit the Sturgis with 100mm wheels (black) at some point? If that sort of undertaking is even possible. If it can't be done, I'll just throw in the white towel and get a fuji wendigo 26 2.1. Dang, want that Sturgis tho.

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    I'm perfectly happy with the 80mm MuleFut rims. It can accommodate 5.0 tires no problem which I think is the widest tire you can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyride1 View Post
    I'm perfectly happy with the 80mm MuleFut rims. It can accommodate 5.0 tires no problem which I think is the widest tire you can get.
    thank you for your feedback. that should alleviate my case of the jitters during this purchase decision.

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    I'm running 100mm Turnagain rims tubeless with Bud/FBR and they're awesome on my NTB. They fit without an issue but more than 18 psi in the Bluto and the Bud rubs. No issue with any pressure in the rear FBR. I bought the wife a Boris the Evil Brut just so we can swap wheels back and forth since we have 4 sets, two Mulefuts and two Turnagain FR100's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    I'm running 100mm Turnagain rims tubeless with Bud/FBR and they're awesome on my NTB. They fit without an issue but more than 18 psi in the Bluto and the Bud rubs. No issue with any pressure in the rear FBR. I bought the wife a Boris the Evil Brut just so we can swap wheels back and forth since we have 4 sets, two Mulefuts and two Turnagain FR100's.
    that sounds like an ideal setup, for sure.

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    Night Train / Sturgis tip of the day: grease the rear through axle. I've been chasing squeaks and creaks in the BB area (2x pedal rate creaks) for a couple of weeks... and most of the problem turned out to be the rear thru axle. Gawd but it's nice to have a quiet bike again.

    The upside is that just about every metal/metal junction on my bike has been cleaned, inspected and greased now.

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    I have chased down the creaking on my Night Train Ti to the bottom bracket and want to replace it, not just the bearings, since I have the same corrosion posted here. I saw a post about other companies making a replacement BB but can't find it now. Can anyone link to better alternatives than the RaceFace X-Type BB with stock Turbine cranks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    I have chased down the creaking on my Night Train Ti to the bottom bracket and want to replace it, not just the bearings, since I have the same corrosion posted here. I saw a post about other companies making a replacement BB but can't find it now. Can anyone link to better alternatives than the RaceFace X-Type BB with stock Turbine cranks?
    I'll likely buy the stainless steel bearing version when the time comes. RWC BSA 30 BOTTOM BRACKET w/ANGULAR CONTACT BEARINGS

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    Since I've had good results with them in the past, I ordered a Phil Wood BB and will report back. While not cheap, I don't mind paying for quality if it solves the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Since I've had good results with them in the past, I ordered a Phil Wood BB and will report back. While not cheap, I don't mind paying for quality if it solves the problem.
    Link? I can't seem to find a Phil BB compatible with the Turbine crankset.

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    First Fatbike, didn’t want to break the bank so I bought a Boris off Bikes Direct. Less than 200 miles old so far. I like it so far. Fatbikes do draw a lot of attention!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by no sweat View Post
    Link? I can't seem to find a Phil BB compatible with the Turbine crankset.
    Fits awesome, no creaking and smooth as silk. I couldn't be happier. I bought a blue one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Fits awesome, no creaking and smooth as silk. I couldn't be happier. I bought a blue one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Fits awesome, no creaking and smooth as silk. I couldn't be happier. I bought a blue one.

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    That's a 25mm ID bearing set. It doesn't fit the 30mm axle of the Turbine Cinch crankset.

    ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by no sweat View Post
    That's a 25mm ID bearing set. It doesn't fit the 30mm axle of the Turbine Cinch crankset.

    ????
    Is that the size of the earlier Samos crank from the 2015/6 models?


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    Quote Originally Posted by no sweat View Post
    That's a 25mm ID bearing set. It doesn't fit the 30mm axle of the Turbine Cinch crankset.

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    Mine is a 2016 model and has the standard Turbine crankset, not the Cinch. None of them I have seen come with the Cinch.
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    I've been reading about and drooling over fat bikes for... I've lost track of how long. I had my eye on the Sturgis NX, but it looks sold out in my size (17.5). I figured I should at least do a test drive of a fat bike before dropping $1k+ on it. So I test drove a 2017 Trek Farley 7 at my LBS this past weekend. It was every bit as fun as I thought it would be. It's like a human-powered dirtbike!

    So I just pulled the trigger on the 2018 NightTrain Express. Looks like it won't ship until the first half of September.

    This will be my first time assembling a bike. I see BD has lots of videos on assembly tips, so I'm not too worried about that. I want to get more familiar with DIY bike maintenance anyway, so I thought this would be a good way to force me to learn.

    So, while I anxiously wait... any general assembly tips that may not be immediately obvious to a newbie? What tools or other supplies should I get in the meantime so the assembly can go smoothly once the bike is delivered? Seems I've seen a few references to people disassembling some components, adding lube/grease, then re-assembling. Anyone care to offer a short list of things that might be sub-optimal from the factory? What kind of lube does everyone use?

    Thanks!

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    In my experience, higher priced Motobacons don't have the lube issues frequently reported on the Gravity's. To reassembly your bike you'll need a 5mm Allen wrench and a presta valve air pump. Perhaps another size mm Allen or two, depending on your seat's hardware. Got pedals? They typically ship with some POS resin ones that are not worth even taking out of their shrink pack. If you're on a budget Race Face Chesters are a nice value.

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    Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    All of the Allen keys on my NTB are either 4, 5, or 6mm, and it shipped without any pedals.



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    Also forgot that one of the typical cost cutting places in Motobacons is the saddle. Can't recommend enough the Ergon "sofa". You place your butt on one of those and you won't get back. Grips are a must update item too.

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    Thanks for the feedback! Despite saying it wouldn't ship until September, I actually received it today!.

    General assembly was a breeze... but I'm stuck on the front disc break.

    As-shipped, the pads were too close together to fit around the rotor. So I loosed the caliper bolt basically all the way, and shoved the plastic spacer tool in between the pads to separate them a bit. I was able to get the break mounted to the frame, but the pads rubbed something awful on the rotor.

    Per this video I first loosened the bolts that hold the break assembly to the frame. I squeezed the break lever, but they were still so tight that I still couldn't keep them from rubbing. (Just by eye-balling the pads, they look way too close together compared to the thickness of the rotor.)

    So I went to step two from the same video and removed the pads entirely. I tried to use that plastic spacer tool to push the pistons back, but they didn't appear to budge.

    Then I think I did something stupid: I squeezed the break lever while the pads were out. This caused one of the pistons to actually pop out, and with it a bunch of fluid came out.

    I re-set the piston, and re-installed the break pads. They still rub on the rotor. And it appears I've lost all pressure in the break level itself, as squeezing it has virtually no resistance, and it doesn't activate what little room is left in the breaks.

    What next?

    Thanks!

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    Just get the correct fluid and fill it back up and bleed it properly. I never bled these brakes but I did Shimano XT several times and it's not a very big job at all. Once you do it once it takes maybe 15 min to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual_Rider View Post
    Then I think I did something stupid: I squeezed the break lever while the pads were out. This caused one of the pistons to actually pop out, and with it a bunch of fluid came out.
    Quote Originally Posted by dariusf View Post
    Just get the correct fluid and fill it back up and bleed it properly. I never bled these brakes but I did Shimano XT several times and it's not a very big job at all. Once you do it once it takes maybe 15 min to do.
    As far as I can tell, the bleeder kits (fluid, syringes, bleeder block) are fairly expensive, $40 to $100 depending on brand, fanciness, etc. One LBS I talked to said if my SRAM Guide RS brakes are the latest model, they require a special coupling between syringe and brake. Most of the LBSes around here only charge $40 for a brake bleed service. While I want to learn DIY bike maintenance, I'm also impatient to actually get some miles on this thing! And how often do you really need to do a brake bleed anyway (i.e., surely learning that particular skill can wait).

    Being Saturday, many LBSes around here won't do a same-day bleed service, but I found one that would. When I took the bike in and told the serviceman what happened, he said, "Oh, the piston shouldn't fall out like that." He actually got on the phone with SRAM directly. SRAM said the re-seating I did probably won't cut it, and that the brake might need to be rebuilt completely (or replaced), otherwise it's likely to end up leaking brake fluid. He told the service guy to hold off working on it until he talks with an SRAM engineer. Being the weekend, I might not find out for a couple days what's going to happen.

    Then I told the LBS guy to hold off, this ought to fall under warranty. He said that's very unlikely since technically this is user negligence. I shouldn't have pulled the brake lever without the pads or a bleeder block in there. OK, at the shop it will stay.

    So... I guess I am learning about DIY maintenance... just didn't expect an expensive lesson right from the get-go. For any other newbies out there like me, take your time with the non-obvious stuff like hydraulic brakes!

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    I'm assuming everyone else likes pictures as much as I do... Here's my new NTE, next to my Trek 7.3FX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual_Rider View Post
    As far as I can tell, the bleeder kits (fluid, syringes, bleeder block) are fairly expensive, $40 to $100 depending on brand, fanciness, etc. One LBS I talked to said if my SRAM Guide RS brakes are the latest model, they require a special coupling between syringe and brake. Most of the LBSes around here only charge $40 for a brake bleed service. While I want to learn DIY bike maintenance, I'm also impatient to actually get some miles on this thing! And how often do you really need to do a brake bleed anyway (i.e., surely learning that particular skill can wait).
    I hear you but my thoughts are following at least in my case I have 8 bikes (wife 1, kids 4, my 3) and 6 of them have hydraulic disk brakes and I do all of the maintenance other than complete rebuilds of shocks. Under normal circumstances you should not have to bleed brakes much, once every couple years depending on your riding conditions and how much you ride. The bleeding kit is ~$50 and a large bottle of fluid under $20. With that I can do at least a couple dozen changes if not more. Once you do one you can do next around 20 min tops. If needed I'm back on the road in under half an hour.

    Alternative is taking your bike to the LBS and in many cases leaving there for about a week on top of the cost.

    I'm all for supporting LBS but but in the end of the day 1) I enjoy working on my bikes 2) It is my money 3) speed of getting something done

    Being Saturday, many LBSes around here won't do a same-day bleed service, but I found one that would. When I took the bike in and told the serviceman what happened, he said, "Oh, the piston shouldn't fall out like that." He actually got on the phone with SRAM directly. SRAM said the re-seating I did probably won't cut it, and that the brake might need to be rebuilt completely (or replaced), otherwise it's likely to end up leaking brake fluid. He told the service guy to hold off working on it until he talks with an SRAM engineer. Being the weekend, I might not find out for a couple days what's going to happen.
    I call it complete BS but what do I know Your pistons will push out all the way if you keep pressing the lever with no pads or bleeding block in it. Its normal mechanical function, they are making far too big of a deal out of it. you open up the top cover in the reserver, push in the piston with something that will not damage it, bleed. It's not like the piston fell out by itself due to some defect... One other thing I would say that if you choose to take your bike(s) to LBS make sure you find a good one. I have 5 in my immediate area and unfortunately the staff at 2 of them are complete a holes.

    Sorry to hear you are out of the bike, that really sucks.. good luck getting this taken care of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual_Rider View Post
    I'm assuming everyone else likes pictures as much as I do... Here's my new NTE, next to my Trek 7.3FX.
    Thats a great color, here are a few pics of my (highly modded and frame has custom powder coating).

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    Well I'm about to pull the trigger on a medium Sturgis for the wife. Any chance there are any used bikes for sale out there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy Carter View Post
    Well I'm about to pull the trigger on a medium Sturgis for the wife. Any chance there are any used bikes for sale out there?
    My orange in the pics above is for sale but it's a small

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    I finally took the new NTE out for a spin!

    Quote Originally Posted by hectorlandaeta View Post
    Also forgot that one of the typical cost cutting places in Motobacons is the saddle. Can't recommend enough the Ergon "sofa". You place your butt on one of those and you won't get back. Grips are a must update item too.
    Saddle seems OK, at least for now. But the stock grips suck. I didn't expect them to be that bad, but I think they're roughly on-par with wrapping some electrical tape around the naked bar! Is there a favorite high-value grip? I really like stock ergonomic grips on my 2016 Trek FX7.3; I was thinking that Ergon GP1 looks to be similar.

    Regarding the front brake issue...

    Quote Originally Posted by dariusf View Post
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    I call it complete BS but what do I know Your pistons will push out all the way if you keep pressing the lever with no pads or bleeding block in it. Its normal mechanical function, they are making far too big of a deal out of it. you open up the top cover in the reserver, push in the piston with something that will not damage it, bleed. It's not like the piston fell out by itself due to some defect... One other thing I would say that if you choose to take your bike(s) to LBS make sure you find a good one. I have 5 in my immediate area and unfortunately the staff at 2 of them are complete a holes.
    At any rate, I got the bike back yesterday. The LBS mechanic says he spoke with an SRAM engineer, who said that for the Guide RS series, it's a 50/50 chance whether or not the seal is broken when the piston comes out. The LBS guy said he went ahead and bled the brake, then (per SRAM engineer instruction) waited six hours to see if it leaked. It didn't, so he sent the bike home with me.

    Now, in the shop and walking the bike out to my car, the brake seemed OK. But when actually riding it, it has basically zero stopping power. It puts a little friction on the rotor, but at any speed above a slow walking pace, it does nothing to actually stop the bike. (Whereas the rear brake will completely lock the wheel up.) Despite that, I don't see any signs of leakage.

    Any thoughts on how to best approach this?

    I think I'm going to buy a bleeder kit and bleed it myself. Need to learn to do that anyway. I.e., maybe the LBS guy just did a lousy job bleeding it/didn't get all the air out. If that still doesn't fix it, dunno.

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    Hey Casual_Rider, did your LBS change out the brakes pads as well?
    In my experience, you can feel a bad bleed at the lever... so I'm thinking the pads may be contaminated.
    Try swapping the pads from the rear to the front (assuming your rears are good)... making sure to clean the rotors w/ isopropyl alcohol first & then and see if there's a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfanto View Post
    Hey Casual_Rider, did your LBS change out the brakes pads as well?
    In my experience, you can feel a bad bleed at the lever... so I'm thinking the pads may be contaminated.
    Try swapping the pads from the rear to the front (assuming your rears are good)... making sure to clean the rotors w/ isopropyl alcohol first & then and see if there's a difference.
    They did not change out the pads. When you say, "you can feel a bad bleed at the lever", can you expand on that a bit? The front brake does feel "mushy" to me. You can pull it all the way to the grip. The LBS said, as he handed the bike to me, "this should tighten up after you pump it a bit." I took his word for it; but it never did tighten up. (In hindsight I should have drove around the parking lot before hauling it home. I said I wanted to learn with this bike and learn I am!)

    But I like your suggestion to swap front and back pads. Zero cost and not too hard! (Makes me think I should have thought of it.)

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    Casual_Rider,

    Based on your description, a pad swap may not be valid - it sounds like either a crappy bleed job from your LBS or the piston seals were possibly damaged when they popped out causing air leaks. However if the seals were bad, I would expect to see fluid on the caliper - does the bottom of the caliper look/feel wet?
    If your brakes were properly bled, you shouldn't have to pump them up to get them firm - odd to have the shop tell you that. When you get the bike back from them, the brakes are supposed to be firm & ready to go. When my brakes are at the point where I have to pump them to firm them up, or levers pull all the way to the bar, or feel mushy - that's when I bleed them. Brakes should not do any of that after a proper bleed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dariusf View Post
    My orange in the pics above is for sale but it's a small

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    Standover: 27.8 inches
    Looks like a great bike there! But, I think I'm convinced on the medium frame for her. She's 5'-9" and although I think she could pull off a small frame I'd rather have the medium and put a short stem on it than a small with a longer stem.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfanto View Post
    Hey Casual_Rider, did your LBS change out the brakes pads as well?
    In my experience, you can feel a bad bleed at the lever... so I'm thinking the pads may be contaminated.
    Try swapping the pads from the rear to the front (assuming your rears are good)... making sure to clean the rotors w/ isopropyl alcohol first & then and see if there's a difference.

    Very good advice, please try this. Do clean the rotors and brake caliper itself to make sure there is no mineral oil left that could contaminate the rear pads. Also unless you are doing downhills you should not have that much need for front brakes so I would ride but still work on getting it fixes

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    I tried to buy a Sturgis NX, but it was sold out. This gave me time to fret over this purchase even more and read almost all the pages here. Some questions:

    1. In the beginning many derailleur hanger issues, but they re-designed. Is this still an issue with new bikes? i realize this forum is just a subset of the general population and only people with problems post to complain. I understand what the hangers do, I broke one last year on a different bike due to chain break.
    2. Seems the rear hubs cause problems. Not only expensive, but also cumbersome to change since it requires wheel re-built. Was there any improvement on new bikes or newer hubs? I realize this is out of the hands of BD (except speccing Novatec). But I see "brand" name bikes like Trek or Specialized either don't tell you want hubs they use to begin with, or use their own OEM brand. So this seems more an industry than BD problem. Obviously it would be my problem if it happened to me....
    3. For sizing I'm 6' tall, 180#, 34"inseam and have long arms (always problem finding sweaters etc. with long enough arms). I also plan to snow-ride. Per sizing chart 6' is right between the M (17.5") and L (19"). It seems people here are happier with going the smaller size? I know they have their language for "personal preference and sizing up for more aggressive". Obviously without trying it out it is hard to tell. I test rode a Trek Farley and it was one with suspended fork in M, and one with rigid fork in L and I couldn't tell a difference. I know there have been 100 comments on that already, why not one more? With the steep head tube standover height seems to be an issue (also noticed that on Trek and Specialized fatbikes I tried).
    4. Since they are sold out and I have to wait, I wonder when they change their model year? Maybe i should wait for 2018 models? I want 1x11 drivetrain and would hope over time they offer more 1x11 and get rid of the 2x10 or 2x11. Would give me more choices over the few 1x11 they have now. I have bicycles to ride and can wait till snow
    5. How often do they re-stock? I tried checking out some other bikes (just for testing) and bare frames, but nothing really available. there wasn't even a pre-order option I saw (and I'm not excited about paying and then waiting for ages)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
    I tried to buy a Sturgis NX, but it was sold out. This gave me time to fret over this purchase even more and read almost all the pages here. Some questions:

    1. In the beginning many derailleur hanger issues, but they re-designed. Is this still an issue with new bikes? i realize this forum is just a subset of the general population and only people with problems post to complain. I understand what the hangers do, I broke one last year on a different bike due to chain break.
    2. Seems the rear hubs cause problems. Not only expensive, but also cumbersome to change since it requires wheel re-built. Was there any improvement on new bikes or newer hubs? I realize this is out of the hands of BD (except speccing Novatec). But I see "brand" name bikes like Trek or Specialized either don't tell you want hubs they use to begin with, or use their own OEM brand. So this seems more an industry than BD problem. Obviously it would be my problem if it happened to me....
    3. For sizing I'm 6' tall, 180#, 34"inseam and have long arms (always problem finding sweaters etc. with long enough arms). I also plan to snow-ride. Per sizing chart 6' is right between the M (17.5") and L (19"). It seems people here are happier with going the smaller size? I know they have their language for "personal preference and sizing up for more aggressive". Obviously without trying it out it is hard to tell. I test rode a Trek Farley and it was one with suspended fork in M, and one with rigid fork in L and I couldn't tell a difference. I know there have been 100 comments on that already, why not one more? With the steep head tube standover height seems to be an issue (also noticed that on Trek and Specialized fatbikes I tried).
    4. Since they are sold out and I have to wait, I wonder when they change their model year? Maybe i should wait for 2018 models? I want 1x11 drivetrain and would hope over time they offer more 1x11 and get rid of the 2x10 or 2x11. Would give me more choices over the few 1x11 they have now. I have bicycles to ride and can wait till snow
    5. How often do they re-stock? I tried checking out some other bikes (just for testing) and bare frames, but nothing really available. there wasn't even a pre-order option I saw (and I'm not excited about paying and then waiting for ages)
    I've had my 2014 Sturgis since early 2015.
    1) My drlr hanger has survived a few hits and adjustments (bends), but I am on my 3rd one. That is way more than any other bike I've ever owned, BUT the drlr really hangs out there with these 197mm rear ends, so maybe it just comes with the territory.
    2) My rear hub has been just fine, but I have been vigilant. I don't allow any looseness, and I keep the ratchet clean and properly lubed. Cold weather can stiffen up some lubes and affect the engagement.
    3) I'm 6'-3" on a large. I even got away with a shorter stem, so I'd say they run a little on the big side. Medium for a 6-footer sounds right.
    4) I ordered mine in Nov. and didn't get it until Feb. (dock workers strike). It was a 2014. Don't know about 1x11. I'm running 2x10 (actually 2x8 - took out 2 middle cogs) and really like it for what I do. If you wait, prices may go up.
    5) Don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
    I tried to buy a 1. In the beginning many derailleur hanger issues, but they re-designed. Is this still an issue with new bikes? i realize this forum is just a subset of the general population and only people with problems post to complain. I understand what the hangers do, I broke one last year on a different bike due to chain break.
    I just received the Night Train Express (NTE). It's the same frame as the Sturgis. I too wanted the Sturgis NX, but it was sold out. Not wanting to wait I opened up the wallet a bit farther and got the NTE. Still 1x gearing, which is something I definitely wanted. It also has other small component upgrades (GX vs NX gears, carbon fork, etc).

    I just got mine so haven't abused it at all yet. But I noticed it did ship with spare derailleur hanger. Not sure what to make of that...


    Quote Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
    2. Seems the rear hubs cause problems. Not only expensive, but also cumbersome to change since it requires wheel re-built. Was there any improvement on new bikes or newer hubs? I realize this is out of the hands of BD (except speccing Novatec). But I see "brand" name bikes like Trek or Specialized either don't tell you want hubs they use to begin with, or use their own OEM brand. So this seems more an industry than BD problem. Obviously it would be my problem if it happened to me....
    Way too soon for me to tell. I'll just keep an eye on this thread, try to take good care of the hub (and bike in general), and hope for the best.


    Quote Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
    3. For sizing I'm 6' tall, 180#, 34"inseam and have long arms (always problem finding sweaters etc. with long enough arms). I also plan to snow-ride. Per sizing chart 6' is right between the M (17.5") and L (19"). It seems people here are happier with going the smaller size? I know they have their language for "personal preference and sizing up for more aggressive". Obviously without trying it out it is hard to tell. I test rode a Trek Farley and it was one with suspended fork in M, and one with rigid fork in L and I couldn't tell a difference. I know there have been 100 comments on that already, why not one more? ...
    I wear pants with a 34" inseam. But if I measure my "true" inseam, without shoes, it's 32". The shoes I generally wear take me up to 33" inseam. I'm about 5'10" barefoot (add an inch for shoes). I have longish arms, though not overly long.

    I too test drove a 2017 Trek Farley 7 with a rigid fork, size L. It seemed to fit OK.

    I ended up getting the 17.5/M NTE, though strongly considered the large. I'm glad I got the medium: the standover height is a little higher than I expected. I suspect the large would be risky for my man parts.

    Keep in mind, I've only done one ride, but I don't see any size issues with the medium. Feels pretty comfortable to me, actually.

    FWIW, I also have a 2016 Trek 7.3 size 20/large, and I find it pretty comfortable.


    Quote Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
    5. How often do they re-stock? I tried checking out some other bikes (just for testing) and bare frames, but nothing really available. there wasn't even a pre-order option I saw (and I'm not excited about paying and then waiting for ages)
    No idea. I think you'd have to call or email BD to know for sure. The sales page for the NightTrain Express is for the 2018 model, and says it won't ship until sept 1 through 15. I ordered on Sat, Aug 12 and they shipped Mon, Aug 14. The box indicates I got the 2017 model. So the listing page clearly isn't 100% accurate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
    I tried to buy a Sturgis NX, but it was sold out. This gave me time to fret over this purchase even more and read almost all the pages here. Some questions:

    1. In the beginning many derailleur hanger issues, but they re-designed. Is this still an issue with new bikes? i realize this forum is just a subset of the general population and only people with problems post to complain. I understand what the hangers do, I broke one last year on a different bike due to chain break.
    2. Seems the rear hubs cause problems. Not only expensive, but also cumbersome to change since it requires wheel re-built. Was there any improvement on new bikes or newer hubs? I realize this is out of the hands of BD (except speccing Novatec). But I see "brand" name bikes like Trek or Specialized either don't tell you want hubs they use to begin with, or use their own OEM brand. So this seems more an industry than BD problem. Obviously it would be my problem if it happened to me....
    3. For sizing I'm 6' tall, 180#, 34"inseam and have long arms (always problem finding sweaters etc. with long enough arms). I also plan to snow-ride. Per sizing chart 6' is right between the M (17.5") and L (19"). It seems people here are happier with going the smaller size? I know they have their language for "personal preference and sizing up for more aggressive". Obviously without trying it out it is hard to tell. I test rode a Trek Farley and it was one with suspended fork in M, and one with rigid fork in L and I couldn't tell a difference. I know there have been 100 comments on that already, why not one more? With the steep head tube standover height seems to be an issue (also noticed that on Trek and Specialized fatbikes I tried).
    4. Since they are sold out and I have to wait, I wonder when they change their model year? Maybe i should wait for 2018 models? I want 1x11 drivetrain and would hope over time they offer more 1x11 and get rid of the 2x10 or 2x11. Would give me more choices over the few 1x11 they have now. I have bicycles to ride and can wait till snow
    5. How often do they re-stock? I tried checking out some other bikes (just for testing) and bare frames, but nothing really available. there wasn't even a pre-order option I saw (and I'm not excited about paying and then waiting for ages)

    1 - After reading all the horror stories, I kept telling myself I need to order a hanger soon. I've had my Sturgis Bullet for a couple years now & I still haven't bought a spare hanger yet. I'm probably one of the lucky few that has never had a problem (knock on wood). The bike has had only one big crash on it (not by me though) and I always lay my bikes on the ground on their non-drive side.

    2 - I haven't had any issues w/ my hubs & I love to ride in the rain & mud. However, last year I did regrease the hubs when I bought a Lurch with Mulefuts - I wanted to swap the wheelset over to the Sturgis which required an axle swap (QR vs TA).

    3 - I can't help you with sizing as I'm 5'6" and purchased the small. The 26" fatty's are essentially 29ers and that increases both stand-over & stack-height. While I feel comfortable riding a medium in 27.5 & 26, I felt small would be a better fit w/ regards to fattys or 29ers. Somewhere in this thread someone mentioned stand-over being important if you regularly ride in the snow... but you also have to account for the reach/effective top tube length as well - you don't want to feel cramped on the bike.

    4 - yeah, I kinda wished I had waited a couple more months... damn, impulse buy! Mine came with the crappy Wienmann's & Samox. Then a couple months later, the next batch came out w/ Mulefut's, RaceFace cranks, & Maxxis Minions.

    5 - I was in the same boat - they were out of the color & size Sturgis I wanted. But I didn't want to commit (in case I found a deal on another fatty) so I just checked the site daily & subscribed to their email alerts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy Carter View Post
    Looks like a great bike there! But, I think I'm convinced on the medium frame for her. She's 5'-9" and although I think she could pull off a small frame I'd rather have the medium and put a short stem on it than a small with a longer stem.

    Thanks
    Keep in mind if you get a suspension fork it adds about 1" to the standover. I'm about 5'9" and seem to have ape arms so I felt a little scrunched on a small. Wasn't a fan of the feel of a 100mm stem. Wasn't comfortable with going medium due to standover in snow. Used that as a reason/excuse to get a different brand frame with a curved top tube for better standover.

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    Just got and assembled a Sturgis NX, to replace an SE F@E. I'm very happy with what I got for the money. I'll be taking full preventative measures on the rear hub to see if I can keep it from self-destructing in short order. The stem is disposable and the bars questionable, but other than that it's a fine machine. I'm 6' and wear a 34" inseam, and the fit of the 19" is spot-on. Mine also came with a spare derailleur hanger.

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    Anyone have a 19" Sturgis frame they want to sell?
    I am convinced that I bent mine even though I can't measure it. It just doesn't ride right.
    Bikesdirect can't help me now because they have no extra frames, and I don't want to spend the ~$600+ and end up with yet another Bluto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no sweat View Post
    Night Train / Sturgis tip of the day: grease the rear through axle. I've been chasing squeaks and creaks in the BB area (2x pedal rate creaks) for a couple of weeks... and most of the problem turned out to be the rear thru axle. Gawd but it's nice to have a quiet bike again.
    Forgive my newbie question, but is that as simple as it sounds? I.e., pull axle out, smear with grease, put axle back in and go? Or is there some subtlety that I'm missing? Regular lube like Park Tool PPL-1 PolyLube 1000?


    An update on my front brake situation for those who may be interested...

    Quote Originally Posted by cfanto View Post
    Hey Casual_Rider, did your LBS change out the brakes pads as well?
    In my experience, you can feel a bad bleed at the lever... so I'm thinking the pads may be contaminated.
    Try swapping the pads from the rear to the front (assuming your rears are good)... making sure to clean the rotors w/ isopropyl alcohol first & then and see if there's a difference

    ...

    Based on your description, a pad swap may not be valid - it sounds like either a crappy bleed job from your LBS or the piston seals were possibly damaged when they popped out causing air leaks. However if the seals were bad, I would expect to see fluid on the caliper - does the bottom of the caliper look/feel wet?
    If your brakes were properly bled, you shouldn't have to pump them up to get them firm - odd to have the shop tell you that. When you get the bike back from them, the brakes are supposed to be firm & ready to go. When my brakes are at the point where I have to pump them to firm them up, or levers pull all the way to the bar, or feel mushy - that's when I bleed them. Brakes should not do any of that after a proper bleed.
    I finally received my bleed kit. My NTE has the newer SRAM Guide series brakes that require the "bleeding edge" tool. The first bleed kit I ordered didn't have that. Looks like Avid/Sram has released several bleed kits over the years. Amazon sells multiple versions, some listings even have inconsistent pictures. I ended up ordering this kit.

    The bleed process took me a little while, mainly because it was my first time and I went slowly, stopping several times to re-watch the howto video. But like everyone here said, it will be quick and easy the next time I do it.

    At any rate, having done the bleed, I can confidently say that the LBS did a lousy job. Not only did they return the bike with mushy/poorly bled brakes, but the safety pin for the pad screw is missing; also they did not replace the rubber bleed plug on the calipers. (Hmmm, maybe there was a reason they were the only ones who didn't have a backlog when I called around a couple weeks ago?) It's been not quite 24 hours since I did the bleed, but the brakes are firm (moreso than my rear brake now!), and have some legitimate stopping power. I also don't see any leaking brake fluid, so I'm pretty sure the piston seals are good.

    The only thing now, I still can't completely lock up the front wheel the same as the back. There is some definite friction there, and it really does slow the bike down. Maybe completely locking the front wheel is unsafe anyway? But now I'm wondering if perhaps I didn't get some brake fluid on the pads when first screwed up? Likewise, the LBS's quality of work is suspect, maybe they got some fluid on the pads?

    I cleaned the rotors (front and back) with rubbing alcohol. I haven't yet swapped the pads between front and back yet though. Looks like pads aren't too expensive. Even if I don't actually need the pads, it can't hurt to have a spare set, right?

    Thanks all for the help and feedback! I feel pretty accomplished having bled those brakes.

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    Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    Just swapped my bottom bracket, the old one had completely failed.

    I have the older Samox crank, and swapped the stock bottom bracket with a higher-end raceface unit.

    I used this:
    Race Face Team DH X-Type Bottom Bracket https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003RLE7SA..._usObYGtT71jhc

    The never ending creak is gone, too.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual_Rider View Post
    The only thing now, I still can't completely lock up the front wheel the same as the back. There is some definite friction there, and it really does slow the bike down. Maybe completely locking the front wheel is unsafe anyway? But now I'm wondering if perhaps I didn't get some brake fluid on the pads when first screwed up? Likewise, the LBS's quality of work is suspect, maybe they got some fluid on the pads?

    I cleaned the rotors (front and back) with rubbing alcohol. I haven't yet swapped the pads between front and back yet though. Looks like pads aren't too expensive. Even if I don't actually need the pads, it can't hurt to have a spare set, right?
    Having a spare set of pads is always handy but I would try bedding-in the brakes first.
    Before the bed-in process, I'll usually take sandpaper & lightly sand both pads (& sometimes) the rotor and then clean 'em w/ rubbing alcohol afterwards.
    The actual bed-in process consists of several hard stops which helps deposit pad material onto the rotors.
    I usually just do this on the street in front of my house - go as fast as I can & then hit the brakes really hard - usually after a few runs, they should start to feel more 'grabby'.

    You should always bed-in brakes when you get new pads or rotors.

    If you believe the pads are contaminated, you're supposed to junk them. However, I've had (some) luck in the past with burning off the oils from pads (using a heat gun or even a simple lighter) - you'll see black smoke rising from the pads when it gets hot enough. I've heard of some folks baking them in the oven... but personally, I wouldn't want fumes in my house. BTW, this should only be done on sintered pads! Do not do try to burn or bake organic pads.

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    I did an overhaul on my night train this weekend and I think I lost the rear hub caps (black plastic piece that goes on each end of the axel). Does anyone know what size they are so I can order some? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.Seaward View Post
    I did an overhaul on my night train this weekend and I think I lost the rear hub caps (black plastic piece that goes on each end of the axel). Does anyone know what size they are so I can order some? Thanks.
    Do you mean these?

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    You can get by without them.
    (btw - that's not the right one)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleas View Post
    Do you mean these?

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    You can get by without them.
    (btw - that's not the right one)

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    No, there are similar ones on the front wheel.
    They are needed otherwise the TA won't tighten down properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.Seaward View Post
    No, there are similar ones on the front wheel.
    They are needed otherwise the TA won't tighten down properly.
    On the rear of the Sturgis/Night Train, the thru-axle threads into the derailleur hanger, which, I thought, was held to the frame with a small bolt. The other end of the axle is the lever by which you tighten the axle, then secure it against rotation.
    I think I am misunderstanding you.

    All that stuff is aluminum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleas View Post
    On the rear of the Sturgis/Night Train, the thru-axle threads into the derailleur hanger, which, I thought, was held to the frame with a small bolt. The other end of the axle is the lever by which you tighten the axle, then secure it against rotation.
    I think I am misunderstanding you.

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    Correct. But you can only tighten the TA so far. Then I flip the lever and there is no tension. It just flops around. So what I'm thinking is I lost the spacers that go on the ends of the hub (like the front) If there were hub spindle caps it would create more tension allowing the TA to tighten properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.Seaward View Post
    Correct. But you can only tighten the TA so far. Then I flip the lever and there is no tension. It just flops around. So what I'm thinking is I lost the spacers that go on the ends of the hub (like the front) If there were hub spindle caps it would create more tension allowing the TA to tighten properly.
    Look in under the lever. There is a small allen head in there. Set your lever tension with that screw (after you have screwed the axle down tight).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleas View Post
    Look in under the lever. There is a small allen head in there. Set your lever tension with that screw (after you have screwed the axle down tight).

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    Ok. Thanks. I'll try that tonight.

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    ^^ Don't over-tighten that little screw though as it will only take about 5-6 Nm torque before it will break.. :-) the good thing it's easy to drill / EZ-out and a readily available size at the local hardware store.

    Make sure you add some blue loc-tite to the non-drive hub nut/axle spacer!! They tend to loosen over time then your freehub will destroy itself (the ratchet ring and/or pawls), along w/ the hub. Every new hub that I have w/ this new style of axle/freehub I've had long-term success w/ the blue loc-tite and frequent checks of the freehub body (wiggle the cassette) to make sure it's not coming loose.


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    I tightened that screw a bit and it locked down better. I'm still a little concerned I am missing those caps though. I emailed bikes direct and they said they can send me some, but never specified that I needed them.

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    I just got the Sturgis NX an everything is perfect, but want to do the pro-active thing to save this hub that seems to be prone to fail. Could someone explain to a noob what and how exactly to do to the Novatec hubs so they last?

    novatec didn't have instructions, but I hope these Salsa hub instructions are similar. I read the Park book and the zinn MTB maintenance book. But I never actually disassembled a cartridge hub (so please bare with me). Google gave me some videos showing failed hubs, but not actual solutions (besides replacement)

    1. I read here people put loktite on... where exactly?
    2. What do I need to do to the freehub ratchet? It seems to be louder than my other bikes.
    3. do I need to do anything to the font hub?
    4. did they by any chance improve the design? Mine is a 2018 and with all the hub problems in previous years I would hope they do something.

    Thanks in advance and I apologize if this is already answered or sounds stupid. I read through the entire thread before buying this bike but all I know for sure is I need to do something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
    Could someone explain to a noob what and how exactly to do to the Novatec hubs so they last?
    Don't let anyone over 160lbs ride it up a steep hill.

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    See that thingy circled in red? Don't let it come loose, and don't over-tighten it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleas View Post
    See that thingy circled in red? Don't let it come loose, and don't over-tighten it.
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    thanks for the hint. I took the endcaps off and saw how it ticks. Need two 17 mm wrenches.
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    That pawl thing has a dimple (circled red). I assume it has some function? Interesting there is some sleeve/bushing that is under the pawl mechanism (I pulled it out for the picture, but it normally is under the pawl)

    I put threadlocker on the endcap thread and tightened it. Tight so it felt tight, but not using some leverage. Not sure there would be a way to torque it. But with the wheel in the bike and the TA tight, I really don't see this coming loose.
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    Anything else I should do? I don't see how I would check tightness frequently without taking out the wheel. Would moving the wheel laterally tell me if it is loose (like you check for cup/cone hubs)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
    Anything else I should do? I don't see how I would check tightness frequently without taking out the wheel. Would moving the wheel laterally tell me if it is loose (like you check for cup/cone hubs)?
    ..Make sure the cassette has no play in it.. wiggle it, not the wheel. If there is any play then tighten the hub more. That's where the damage is caused (freehub & hub).. by the time there is play at the wheel level the hub would already be fvct...

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    "That pawl thing has a dimple (circled red). I assume it has some function? Interesting there is some sleeve/bushing that is under the pawl mechanism (I pulled it out for the picture, but it normally is under the pawl)"

    Yes, that dimple does serve a function and it relates to the spring. That little "ring" that holds the pawls in place is the retaining spring and it serves 2 purposes. 1) it holds the pawls in place and 2) it provides pressure keep the tips of the pawls up and out so they catch on to the ratchet ring. Now back to the dimple, you notice the retaining spring doesn't make a complete circle when installed. That's because the gap is taken up by the dimple. This helps you properly align the ring on to the freehub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyride1 View Post
    Yes, that dimple does serve a function and it relates to the spring. That little "ring" that holds the pawls in place is the retaining spring and it serves 2 purposes. 1) it holds the pawls in place and 2) it provides pressure keep the tips of the pawls up and out so they catch on to the ratchet ring. Now back to the dimple, you notice the retaining spring doesn't make a complete circle when installed. That's because the gap is taken up by the dimple. This helps you properly align the ring on to the freehub.
    Thanks for explaining, that makes it clearer and I see how they can fail.

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    Greetings gentle readers,

    I've owned a Night Train for 15 months now and have been riding it 3 times per week on a 22 mile loop on logging roads with a total of 2800' of climbing. So that's about 180 wonderful rides ... and with no failures!

    A couple of months ago I slapped on some SnowShoe 5" tires (it's a tight fit), and that's made it even more fun. As someone here noted, heck, if you're going to ride a fat bike, get the fattest tires you can :-)

    Anyway, over the past few rides I've been driven batty by what genuinely seemed to be a creaky bottom bracket. But as most of you probably know, often the BB is not the culprit, even though you'd swear it was.

    So today I went through a sequential process of elimination by removing, cleaning, and lubing: BB, cranks, chain rings, pedals, saddle, seat post, through axles ... and still ... annoying creaking.

    Guess what the source was.

    Where the spoke pairs criss-cross.

    By putting some tenacious oil on my fingers and rubbing the intersection while flexing the spoke pairs with the other hand, I eliminated the creak.

    Thank. God. I don't know about you guys, but doing a lot of climbing with a creaky bike really takes the fun out of it.

    Hope someone finds this helpful.

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    I have a two year old Sturgis Bullet that I only really use at Winter. I'm toying with the idea of taking the Bluto off and putting on carbon forks FREE SHIP 48 STATES* Fat Bike FULL CARBON FORKS Tapered Carbon Steerer, Thru-Axle. Has anyone done this with this fork? How did the ride turn out. For suspension I'll have 45Nrth 4.6" Flowbeist/Dunderbiest tires. My one concern is that some times the snow can get hard and rough and then having the suspension is nice. However it may also be a bunch of dead weight I just don't need....

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    I have a two year old Sturgis Bullet that I only really use at Winter. I'm toying with the idea of taking the Bluto off and putting on carbon forks FREE SHIP 48 STATES* Fat Bike FULL CARBON FORKS Tapered Carbon Steerer, Thru-Axle. Has anyone done this with this fork? How did the ride turn out. For suspension I'll have 45Nrth 4.6" Flowbeist/Dunderbiest tires. My one concern is that some times the snow can get hard and rough and then having the suspension is nice. However it may also be a bunch of dead weight I just don't need....

    Thoughts?
    I'm curious about your motives. Is the Bluto too much maintenance, or do you want to sell it?
    Yes a CF fork would save weight. But I noticed when riding the weight is not significant compared to rolling resistance.

    I have the Sturgis NX with steel fork and was contemplating if I should get the Pluto. After i had my bike, i thought getting a CF fork next year may be nice. but kind of decided to just keep the steel fork since the weight is not that important. you may save 2-3 pounds, but the way i see it I could lose 2-3 pounds easily for free. i also have 2 liters water, lock, spare chain, spare tube (have tubeless), pump etc. with me. So I'm kind of wasting weight already and spending money on a CF fork seems not worth it.

    When going over roots etc. I sometimes think I should have a suspended fork, but ultimately I don't need one. But if I already had one, like you, I'd just keep it.

    I know this doesn't answer your question..... but you wanted our thoughts
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    I have a two year old Sturgis Bullet that I only really use at Winter. I'm toying with the idea of taking the Bluto off and putting on carbon forks FREE SHIP 48 STATES* Fat Bike FULL CARBON FORKS Tapered Carbon Steerer, Thru-Axle. Has anyone done this with this fork? How did the ride turn out. For suspension I'll have 45Nrth 4.6" Flowbeist/Dunderbiest tires. My one concern is that some times the snow can get hard and rough and then having the suspension is nice. However it may also be a bunch of dead weight I just don't need....

    Thoughts?
    Quote Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
    I'm curious about your motives. Is the Bluto too much maintenance, or do you want to sell it?
    Yes a CF fork would save weight. But I noticed when riding the weight is not significant compared to rolling resistance.

    I have the Sturgis NX with steel fork and was contemplating if I should get the Pluto. After i had my bike, i thought getting a CF fork next year may be nice. but kind of decided to just keep the steel fork since the weight is not that important. you may save 2-3 pounds, but the way i see it I could lose 2-3 pounds easily for free. i also have 2 liters water, lock, spare chain, spare tube (have tubeless), pump etc. with me. So I'm kind of wasting weight already and spending money on a CF fork seems not worth it.

    When going over roots etc. I sometimes think I should have a suspended fork, but ultimately I don't need one. But if I already had one, like you, I'd just keep it.

    I know this doesn't answer your question..... but you wanted our thoughts
    I grew tired of the 120mm Bluto for my trails and switched to the Carver Popeye rigid carbon fork at 490mm. I thought the 480mm fork from BD would be too short. Plus, I don't have confidence in a carbon steerer. The front does become quite light compared to the Bluto. And since I ride rigid all the time anyway, I don't see a downside for Winter riding. The Bluto with a 4" tire does make easy work of roots, rocks, stairs, and 4" curbs - I was absolutely giddy the first time I railed through some giant roots without even slowing down. I felt like I was cheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycloid View Post
    Greetings gentle readers,

    I've owned a Night Train for 15 months now and have been riding it 3 times per week on a 22 mile loop on logging roads with a total of 2800' of climbing. So that's about 180 wonderful rides ... and with no failures!

    A couple of months ago I slapped on some SnowShoe 5" tires (it's a tight fit), and that's made it even more fun. As someone here noted, heck, if you're going to ride a fat bike, get the fattest tires you can :-)

    Anyway, over the past few rides I've been driven batty by what genuinely seemed to be a creaky bottom bracket. But as most of you probably know, often the BB is not the culprit, even though you'd swear it was.

    So today I went through a sequential process of elimination by removing, cleaning, and lubing: BB, cranks, chain rings, pedals, saddle, seat post, through axles ... and still ... annoying creaking.

    Guess what the source was.

    Where the spoke pairs criss-cross.

    By putting some tenacious oil on my fingers and rubbing the intersection while flexing the spoke pairs with the other hand, I eliminated the creak.

    Thank. God. I don't know about you guys, but doing a lot of climbing with a creaky bike really takes the fun out of it.

    Hope someone finds this helpful.

    :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    I have a two year old Sturgis Bullet that I only really use at Winter. I'm toying with the idea of taking the Bluto off and putting on carbon forks FREE SHIP 48 STATES* Fat Bike FULL CARBON FORKS Tapered Carbon Steerer, Thru-Axle. Has anyone done this with this fork? How did the ride turn out. For suspension I'll have 45Nrth 4.6" Flowbeist/Dunderbiest tires. My one concern is that some times the snow can get hard and rough and then having the suspension is nice. However it may also be a bunch of dead weight I just don't need....

    Thoughts?
    It's going to fell like a completely different bike! Losing that much weight is going to be fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
    I'm curious about your motives.
    The Bluto is heavy and I only really ride this bike in the winter or with my kids on paved/gravel bike paths. While there are definitely some advantages to suspension in the snow, I am just not sure they outweigh the weight. Especially when I am biking on snow the can get four feet thick. If you fall off the packed trail into the deep stuff, losing some weight off the bike would make getting out of feet of snow somewhat easier.

    I may not switch, just curious on the pros and cons at the moment.

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    if you ride in the winter, snow covered trails, that are trampled and packed down by foot traffic, keep the bluto.. if you ride in outside of Winter, on root or rocks, keep the bluto, if you are over 40 and your joints creak now and again.. keep the bluto.

    if you are going to race your fatty.... maybe lose the bluto

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    I have two fatbikes. One, the NTB, has the bluto and is fantastic off road.

    When commuting, I use an older FB4 with the solid fork and devist8r tires, and it is much faster.

    Instead of losing the bluto, buy another bike for racing.


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    last year I went 1x10.... using a sunrace 11x40 cassette and a 30 ellpitical ring...... I wanted to go 11x42, but either the sram mid cage derailer or the unique derailer hanger, or what not, we could not get good shifting... on the bike stand ok,, but not in the real world.

    so question is for those out there who have done it... anyone do a 11 speed change over... like a 11x46 or something, what did you use, any misgivings? this Winter thinking of jumping back to the 2x10... to have that snail pace crawling feature we need sometimes over here in Western NY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twright205 View Post
    last year I went 1x10.... using a sunrace 11x40 cassette and a 30 ellpitical ring...... I wanted to go 11x42, but either the sram mid cage derailer or the unique derailer hanger, or what not, we could not get good shifting... on the bike stand ok,, but not in the real world.

    so question is for those out there who have done it... anyone do a 11 speed change over... like a 11x46 or something, what did you use, any misgivings? this Winter thinking of jumping back to the 2x10... to have that snail pace crawling feature we need sometimes over here in Western NY.
    Check out my post earlier in this thread for full details and a picture...
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    04-11-2017, 10:43 PM

    I'll copy and paste the main parts you're looking for.
    Shimano XT 1x11. 11-46 cassette
    Shimano XT Deore M8000 GS Rear derailleur (GS = medium cage)
    26 tooth chainring...I spin fast and never top out anyway.
    I took the advice of another poster on this board and swapped to the following crank:
    Race Face Cinch. I got the 170 spacing version instead of 190. I went with 170 length. Here is the trick to make it work: You'll need to do a 1x Raceface direct mount chainring and flip it around so that the teeth are out closer to your pedal, rather than toward the frame. This creates a perfect chainline, and allows the chain to clear larger tires with a narrower Q-factor.

    I leave it this way year round and it leaves me room to run Surly Bud / Lou 4.8 on a 90mm inner diameter rim without the insane Q-factor of the Samox crank.

    *EDIT* I wanted to mention that the 11-46 Shimano cassette works just fine for my bikes. It's the same as the 11-42 but replaces the 42 with 46 (the rest of the teeth are the same). This does not create too big of a jump like most people would be afraid of. When the gears go lower, it takes more teeth to give the same % gear jump and I never find myself complaining there is nothing in between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twright205 View Post
    last year I went 1x10.... using a sunrace 11x40 cassette and a 30 ellpitical ring...... I wanted to go 11x42, but either the sram mid cage derailer or the unique derailer hanger, or what not, we could not get good shifting... on the bike stand ok,, but not in the real world.

    so question is for those out there who have done it... anyone do a 11 speed change over... like a 11x46 or something, what did you use, any misgivings? this Winter thinking of jumping back to the 2x10... to have that snail pace crawling feature we need sometimes over here in Western NY.
    I've successfully put 11-42t and 11-46t cassettes on bikes. The important thing is to find a derailleur that can take up the proper amount of chain for that wide range of gears.

    It can be a little hard to find the specifications on the assorted derailleurs that are available. CRC has them listed as does BC.com I believe. The other retailers.....not so much.

    I went with 11s Shimano SLX M7000s on all of my builds 26 x 11-42, 30 x 11-46 (& even a 10 speed with a 11-42t cassette) I've had nothing but good experiences with this product and they are affordable. You can get a goat link from Wolf Tooth which will allow you to upfit some of the other Shimano products as well.

    I'm not a big fan of SRAM derailleurs, so can't really speak in regards to their lineup (tho I do prefer to have SRAM shifters and chains on my bikes)

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    Update on the Sturgis NX - still going strong, still a head-shaking ridiculously good deal, still loving it. But the stock fork just HURTS. It's beautifully made but I could ride over a dime and tell you what year it was minted, even at 10 psi (which works well for the conditions here in the summer). Plus it is 3.8 lbs! Strongly considering the carbon fork BD has, seems a solid buy at 200 bones. Should prove a worthwhile upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadgerOne View Post
    Update on the Sturgis NX - still going strong, still a head-shaking ridiculously good deal, still loving it. But the stock fork just HURTS. It's beautifully made but I could ride over a dime and tell you what year it was minted, even at 10 psi (which works well for the conditions here in the summer). Plus it is 3.8 lbs! Strongly considering the carbon fork BD has, seems a solid buy at 200 bones. Should prove a worthwhile upgrade.
    I just ordered the Sturgis NX, should arrive Thursday! Interesting about the front forks.

    Looking for frame bags, racks and accessories for the Sturgis NX. I got an XL frame.

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    Yeah, no provisions for anything on the carbon forks which stinks, but I probably wouldn't use them anyway. As far as a rear rack, the Topeak Uni Super Tourist Fat is the one to beat, but as I mentioned in another thread, the fat tax is alive and well with that one. It sells for more than twice what any other Topeak racks fetch. Much as I want one, they can keep it until they come to their senses on the price.

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    I have a circa 2014 Sturgis and I need to replace the original Samox crankset. I basically just use this bike for flat land beach riding and don't have any use for an inner chain ring.

    Can anyone confirm if the following setup will work:
    Race Face Ride Crank Arms (for 170mm rear)
    Single 36 Tooth Race Face NW Chainring installed in the flipped orientation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark C View Post
    I have a circa 2014 Sturgis and I need to replace the original Samox crankset. I basically just use this bike for flat land beach riding and don't have any use for an inner chain ring.

    Can anyone confirm if the following setup will work:
    Race Face Ride Crank Arms (for 170mm rear)
    Single 36 Tooth Race Face NW Chainring installed in the flipped orientation
    You have a 197mm rear, if that makes a difference.


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    Thanks for info Whiskey. Everything I've been reading in this monstrous thread leads me to believe that folks are using 170 cranks when they replace their Sturgis cranks. I'm still a little foggy whether the 170 versus 190 cranks have different q factors, spindle length, or something else?

    The spindle length and spacers on the existing setup seems to increase the q factor unnecessarily wide. I would love to bring the width in slightly (removing the spacers) with the new crank.
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    The spindle length is 170mm or 190mm
    I went with the Aeffect cinch 170 and an XTR BB without the dumb sleeve, flipped the chainring.

    170 has lower Q
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    Quote Originally Posted by twright205 View Post
    so question is for those out there who have done it... anyone do a 11 speed change over... like a 11x46 or something, what did you use, any misgivings? this Winter thinking of jumping back to the 2x10... to have that snail pace crawling feature we need sometimes over here in Western NY.
    I run a 11-46 Sunrace with a banged up NX derailleur. I think it works better than the stock SRAM casette. All the stuff from my Sturgis is on my RSD Mayor now, but I don't know if that matters or not.

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    Hey I picked up a 2018 Sturgis bullet and love it so far. I have a few questions.
    1. Do the qtube superlight 26x2.4-2 7 tubes fit a 4.8 maxxis minion tire. Or is this pushing it? Trying to lose some rotating weight. Also is this even worth it? I'm assuming it's less than 2 pounds difference if that. Maybe tubeless is the way to go?
    2. What's the reach of this frame. I ride a medium 17.5 inch. Mine came with a 80mm stem and seems spot on.
    3. What sag are you guys running on the bluto. I'm about 175 with gear and have it set up at 20 sag but seems a bit stiff. Maybe it's tire pressure which I'm still playing with.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtbstigo View Post
    Hey I picked up a 2018 Sturgis bullet and love it so far. I have a few questions.
    1. Do the qtube superlight 26x2.4-2 7 tubes fit a 4.8 maxxis minion tire. Or is this pushing it? Trying to lose some rotating weight. Also is this even worth it? I'm assuming it's less than 2 pounds difference if that. Maybe tubeless is the way to go?
    2. What's the reach of this frame. I ride a medium 17.5 inch. Mine came with a 80mm stem and seems spot on.
    3. What sag are you guys running on the bluto. I'm about 175 with gear and have it set up at 20 sag but seems a bit stiff. Maybe it's tire pressure which I'm still playing with.

    Thanks!
    I tried superlight tubes for awhile, but they got holes easily, and, since they are so stretched inside the tire, you cannot patch them. Go tubeless.
    Reach? dunno.
    When I had a Bluto, set correctly, I ran 20-25% sag, 3 bottomless tokens, 3 clicks on the compression knob, and slightly fast on the damping. I weigh 185#. I have since effectively shortened the travel by running 5 tokens and 10-15% sag, and 2 clicks on compression. It is super responsive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtbstigo View Post
    Hey I picked up a 2018 Sturgis bullet and love it so far. I have a few questions.
    1. Do the qtube superlight 26x2.4-2 7 tubes fit a 4.8 maxxis minion tire. Or is this pushing it? Trying to lose some rotating weight. Also is this even worth it? I'm assuming it's less than 2 pounds difference if that. Maybe tubeless is the way to go?
    2. What's the reach of this frame. I ride a medium 17.5 inch. Mine came with a 80mm stem and seems spot on.
    3. What sag are you guys running on the bluto. I'm about 175 with gear and have it set up at 20 sag but seems a bit stiff. Maybe it's tire pressure which I'm still playing with.

    Thanks!
    Go tubeless. I like 6psi front 7 rear for general trail duty. I'm really happy with the 4.8 Minions on trails. They really spoil you on grip. I'm 180#.

    I run about 25% sag. My Bluto was delightfully stiction free when new, but seems a little bit sticky of late. Maybe it's time for service.

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    Question for the shorter guys:

    Is there anyone riding a small frame around 5'3"? I've been reading the thread and it seems that these run larger size wise. I'm wondering if I'm better off getting a Boris instead. I sold my Mongoose Argus Comp earlier this year and want to get back into another fat bike.

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    I'm planning on converting my 2015 Sturgis Bullet to 1x11 using the Sun 11x46 cassette out back and a 28 up front. The front is still the original Race Face 2x crank with 22/36 on it.

    For those of you that have converted to 1x can the 2x Race Face be converted for 1x operation of do I need a new crank. If the later, any recommendations for what works well with a 1x11 setup that not too heavy but doesn't break the bank?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    I'm planning on converting my 2015 Sturgis Bullet to 1x11 using the Sun 11x46 cassette out back and a 28 up front. The front is still the original Race Face 2x crank with 22/36 on it.

    For those of you that have converted to 1x can the 2x Race Face be converted for 1x operation of do I need a new crank. If the later, any recommendations for what works well with a 1x11 setup that not too heavy but doesn't break the bank?

    Thanks!
    You'll just be replacing the 104 BCD ring (the bigger, outer ring) and removing the 64 BCD ring (smaller , inner one) to make your bike 1X. So the good news is, your crank should work just fine.

    That's all there is to it.

    ....and of course you'll need a narrow wide replacement ring to prevent chain drop. Also, make sure you get a derailleur that can handle up to 46t.

    USAMade offers a nice low cost option narrow wide...or you can use their shark tooth version which has worked awesomely for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Horse View Post
    You'll just be replacing the 104 BCD ring (the bigger, outer ring) and removing the 64 BCD ring (smaller , inner one) to make your bike 1X. So the good news is, your crank should work just fine.
    That's good to know, though looking into rings, it appears that the 104 BCD only goes down to a 30T. I really want a 28T to keep my current low range. For that, I'm guessing that I will need a new crank, or get the 11-50 Sunrace (which would add weight and gear jumps).

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    I’m looking into purchasing a Sturgis Bullet and see there are new 2015 models available for $300 less than the 2018 model. It looks like the 2018 model has upgraded rims/tires and is 1x11. For those in the know, what is your opinion on spending the extra $$$ for the newer model?

    Also, what size would you recommend for 6’ with a 32” inseam? This bike will be used for all seasons in MN, 95% river bottoms trail riding.

    And… any other bikes you would buy over the Sturgis Bullet in the same price range?

    Thanks for any replies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    That's good to know, though looking into rings, it appears that the 104 BCD only goes down to a 30T. I really want a 28T to keep my current low range. For that, I'm guessing that I will need a new crank, or get the 11-50 Sunrace (which would add weight and gear jumps).
    I've got from a Russian outfit called Neutrino Components a 39T elliptical narrow wide for 104 BCD. I know for a fact they make a 28T in elliptical and plain vanilla narrow wide. They're inexpensive and good quality. Takes about 5 weeks to ship from Russia, though. You can find them in eBay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWrestlingII View Post
    I’m looking into purchasing a Sturgis Bullet and see there are new 2015 models available for $300 less than the 2018 model. It looks like the 2018 model has upgraded rims/tires and is 1x11. For those in the know, what is your opinion on spending the extra $$$ for the newer model?

    Also, what size would you recommend for 6’ with a 32” inseam? This bike will be used for all seasons in MN, 95% river bottoms trail riding.

    And… any other bikes you would buy over the Sturgis Bullet in the same price range?

    Thanks for any replies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hectorlandaeta View Post
    I've got from a Russian outfit called Neutrino Components a 39T elliptical narrow wide for 104 BCD. I know for a fact they make a 28T in elliptical and plain vanilla narrow wide. They're inexpensive and good quality. Takes about 5 weeks to ship from Russia, though. You can find them in eBay.

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    No 28T for a 104 BCD. I'm adding a Raceface Turbine Cinch crank to my Santa list

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    That's good to know, though looking into rings, it appears that the 104 BCD only goes down to a 30T. I really want a 28T to keep my current low range. For that, I'm guessing that I will need a new crank, or get the 11-50 Sunrace (which would add weight and gear jumps).
    Correct, you'll have to get a direct mount crank in order to put on a sub 30t ring on up front.

    However, there is one work-around. USAMade has a 26t 104 BCD ring with an integrated bash guard. I'm not a shill, though I'm starting to sound like one.....I just have them on two of my bikes on which I'm running 11-42 cassettes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    That's good to know, though looking into rings, it appears that the 104 BCD only goes down to a 30T. I really want a 28T to keep my current low range. For that, I'm guessing that I will need a new crank, or get the 11-50 Sunrace (which would add weight and gear jumps).
    There is a solution to your problem:

    https://northshorebillet.com/collect...nt=11447443905

    North Shore billet makes a 64bcd offset ring in 28T. I have ran mine for almost a year and its awesome. I'm a big guy so I need the extra low range and the 30T wasn't enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    There is a solution to your problem:

    https://northshorebillet.com/collect...nt=11447443905

    North Shore billet makes a 64bcd offset ring in 28T. I have ran mine for almost a year and its awesome. I'm a big guy so I need the extra low range and the 30T wasn't enough.
    Awesome! Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWrestlingII View Post
    I’m looking into purchasing a Sturgis Bullet and see there are new 2015 models available for $300 less than the 2018 model. It looks like the 2018 model has upgraded rims/tires and is 1x11. For those in the know, what is your opinion on spending the extra $$$ for the newer model?

    Also, what size would you recommend for 6’ with a 32” inseam? This bike will be used for all seasons in MN, 95% river bottoms trail riding.

    And… any other bikes you would buy over the Sturgis Bullet in the same price range?

    Thanks for any replies.
    I have been lusting after the better crank-set and rims ever since they were spec’ed into the bike. Mine was too early to get the better parts.

    It would cost way more than $300 to upgrade to the RF crankset and mulefut rims if you went the ‘15 model route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    No 28T for a 104 BCD. I'm adding a Raceface Turbine Cinch crank to my Santa list
    I stand corrected. I meant to write they make a nice 28T at 64 BCD, the other size he still has on his crankset. I have both 28T and 38T in 11% oval but they make them straight too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWrestlingII View Post
    I’m looking into purchasing a Sturgis Bullet and see there are new 2015 models available for $300 less than the 2018 model. It looks like the 2018 model has upgraded rims/tires and is 1x11. For those in the know, what is your opinion on spending the extra $$$ for the newer model?

    Also, what size would you recommend for 6’ with a 32” inseam? This bike will be used for all seasons in MN, 95% river bottoms trail riding.

    And… any other bikes you would buy over the Sturgis Bullet in the same price range?

    Thanks for any replies.
    You can remove the inner ring and change the outer one to something like Race Face Narrow Wide chainring. As far as size its really up to you and based on your legs and riding but smallest one you can fit in 104 BCD is 30T.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiskeyJr View Post
    I have been lusting after the better crank-set and rims ever since they were spec’ed into the bike. Mine was too early to get the better parts.

    It would cost way more than $300 to upgrade to the RF crankset and mulefut rims if you went the ‘15 model route.
    I upgraded my Salsa Bucksaw to Race Face Aeffect including the bottom bracket from SRAM X5 and besides loosing about 309 grams it is smoother. I do have an extra brand new SRAM X5 Crank and BB which I was going to upgrade my 2015 Sturgis Bullet to but now decided to see the bike and will need to sell the crank as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiskeyJr View Post
    I have been lusting after the better crank-set and rims ever since they were spec’ed into the bike. Mine was too early to get the better parts.

    It would cost way more than $300 to upgrade to the RF crankset and mulefut rims if you went the ‘15 model route.
    I just pulled the trigger on the Sturgis NX 17.5" on Wednesday and just as Whiskey says the mulefut rims made the 2018 worth the extra money for me. The tubeless option is a pretty significant upgrade.

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