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    I have a carbon set of bars and I will be very tempted to put them on the Sturgis once it gets here but then I will have to buy another one for the Bucksaw... I guess it is only money - I have not bought a set of bars for the Sturgis yet, but I keep looking and bidding on E-Bay. The ones I have are Bontrager XXX, I have the same seatpost and it is 31.6 so will not fit the Sturgis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonggi View Post
    November 10th Ship date! Can't wait
    Still up to 2 1/2 weeks until they receive in their warehouse. Then 2-5 days for them to unload, inspect and process. Then another 2-5 days for the first ones to get across the country. This is if there is no delay in their shipping/logistics channels enroute from Asia. So up to another month.

    I'm under promising and over-delivering on myself by telling myself November 21st, so if I get any notice earlier than that, it'll be like an early Christmas.

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    Double Post....
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    Quote Originally Posted by neons97 View Post
    Still up to 2 1/2 weeks until they receive in their warehouse. Then 2-5 days for them to unload, inspect and process. Then another 2-5 days for the first ones to get across the country. This is if there is no delay in their shipping/logistics channels enroute from Asia. So up to another month.

    I pre-ordered in August. I'm under promising and over-delivering on myself by telling myself November 21st, so if I get any notice earlier than that, it'll be like an early Christmas.
    I pre-ordered in August as well. My Framed Alaskan Carbon frame is supposed to ship late Nov./first week of Dec. I might as well just wait and switch over the parts without even taking the Night Train frame for a spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnThaCouch View Post
    I pre-ordered in August as well. My Framed Alaskan Carbon frame is supposed to ship late Nov./first week of Dec. I might as well just wait and switch over the parts without even taking the Night Train frame for a spin.
    I would not have the discipline for that! I will probably have mine unboxed and built within a few hours of UPS dropping it off. :-)

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    The last correspondence from BD on Oct. 7 says they expect to get the NT and Sturgis bikes in the warehouse between October 27 to November 10. Has that been refined? I was hoping to have a bike in my hands by Veterans day Nov. 11 because I have that day off :-(

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    Re: Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by neons97 View Post
    Still up to 2 1/2 weeks until they receive in their warehouse. Then 2-5 days for them to unload, inspect and process. Then another 2-5 days for the first ones to get across the country. This is if there is no delay in their shipping/logistics channels enroute from Asia. So up to another month.

    I'm under promising and over-delivering on myself by telling myself November 21st, so if I get any notice earlier than that, it'll be like an early Christmas.
    Whoa that's a lot of added days. Luckily I'll have my trail bike to keep me busy till then!

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    I CANT WAIT ,ordered the Sturgis Bullet , after upgrading a Dolomite a little

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    I am showing a 11/10 ship date - black Night Train.

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    ... and if we just ...

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    I am wondering which Old Man Mountain rack fits the Night Train. I cant figure out if it is the one for the Pugsley or the Moonlander.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neons97 View Post
    Still up to 2 1/2 weeks until they receive in their warehouse. Then 2-5 days for them to unload, inspect and process. Then another 2-5 days for the first ones to get across the country. This is if there is no delay in their shipping/logistics channels enroute from Asia. So up to another month.

    I'm under promising and over-delivering on myself by telling myself November 21st, so if I get any notice earlier than that, it'll be like an early Christmas.
    Last word from BD on Oct 7:

    "Great News; the Sturgis and Night Train models are on the way. Better News; we feel there are no higher quality aluminum Fat Bikes produced."

    "Based on latest shipping confirmation these bikes could arrive at our Dallas warehouse anywhere from October 27th to November 10th. We wish that links in the distribution chain was as predictable as links in a bike chain. Of course, ocean vessels, trains, longshoremen, US Customs, and local truckers all have their own ideas on timely execution of their duties"

    Lets hope the earlier date proves to be the case...fingers crossed

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    Anyone with prior pre-orders like this know if they will be telling us when the shipment arrives? I currently don't have any torque wrenches. Any recommendation on which ones to get? I assume I need one for big and one for little. I was thinking of getting a park tool one for small torque measurements and a lower priced highly rated one from amazon for the heavier stuff. I gave away my automotive one with the needle before I moved a few years ago. Also I can't find the post where someone knew what kind of socket is needed to get the SAMOX crank off (assuming it's possible) so I can grease it up and inspect the bearings before riding? I did already pick up a Torx 25 bit.

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    A cheap Harbor Freight 1/4" torque wrench is all you need - along with a set of metric allen sockets. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ETChipotle View Post
    Anyone with prior pre-orders like this know if they will be telling us when the shipment arrives? I currently don't have any torque wrenches. Any recommendation on which ones to get? I assume I need one for big and one for little. I was thinking of getting a park tool one for small torque measurements and a lower priced highly rated one from amazon for the heavier stuff. I gave away my automotive one with the needle before I moved a few years ago. Also I can't find the post where someone knew what kind of socket is needed to get the SAMOX crank off (assuming it's possible) so I can grease it up and inspect the bearings before riding? I did already pick up a Torx 25 bit.
    You will not "need" a torque wrench to assemble the bike out of the box, though it is highly highly recommended. Since there is no carbon parts, the risk of over-torquing is greatly diminshed. Anything generally more than finger tight + 1/2 turn on an allen key is probably going to be over-torqued/stripped.

    To build the bike out of the box, you will likely need:

    - 3mm, 4mm, 5mm and 6mm allen key. (tighten headset preload, tighten stem, bar, seat on seatpost), adjust angle of bar/saddle and control components.
    - Something to mount pedals, depending on your pedals. Either an 8mm Allen Key or a 9/16 pedal wrench or a correct sized open ended wrench if your pedal has enough clearance for a regular wrench
    - Pump to pump up your tires. Capable of using a presta valve, or a presta to schraeder converter if you only have a schraeder valved pump
    - Lithium or waterproof grease to grease the seattube/seat post before insertion to avoid future seizing of seat post in seat tube
    - T25 torx wrench to install front rotor onto front rim (or they could include allen head bolts...but the general industry standard is the T25 for rotor mounting bolts)

    To take the SAMOX crank off, you likely won't need a socket at all. All you should need is a 5mm allen key to undo the two bolts on the non-drive-side crank arm. Likely a plastic bearing pre-load nut is in the end of the axle that you'll need to remove. There is a special tool for that, but you could get it out without the special tool. And possibly a rubber mallet to punch the crank axle through the other side. The crank will come right out.

    If you want to get the bottom bracket completely out of the frame, you will need an external bottom bracket tool made by any number of bike tool manufacturers. There is no substitute, so you will need to get this tool to remove the bottom bracket. Anything made for Shimano HollowtechII, Sram GXP, RaceFace X-Type, etc. will be compatible. Do not get the tool for BSA30 bottom bracket cups that are used for Rotor, Enduro, ZIPP or RaceFace Cinch bottom brackets. Depending on which brand of tool you buy, the tool could also include the pre-load nut tool (mentioned above).

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    Quote Originally Posted by neons97 View Post
    There is no substitute...
    Except for a pair of wide-mouth Vice-Grips! :-)

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    The bike does not come with a shock pump for the Bluto...as you will most likely need to adjust pressure for your weight. BD tried to sell me one off their site, but it's $35, and I can get a RS one cheaper. Yep, the bottom bracket should be pulled and greased, as BD is notorious for shipping out too dry shells. Hoping the Guides are pre-bled and working properly, but have also heard these brakes may need attention initially. May also change out the tubes for lighter ones that can be filled with sealant, as I know the stock ones weigh a ton. Check all bolts and mech cable tension...should do it!
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    When it gets colder out, am I going to have problems keeping the chain from getting clogged with ice? Should I expect any chain/derailleur problems when temps are down between 10 and -10 Fahrenheit? I can probably avoid riding in temps below that without skipping a month of riding. I saw a 10 year old thread about someone who had good luck spraying the chain with LPS 3 (which is something I keep around)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tin Turtle View Post
    I am wondering which Old Man Mountain rack fits the Night Train. I cant figure out if it is the one for the Pugsley or the Moonlander.
    As the Pugsley and Moonlander both have 135mm rear spacing I am not sure either rack will work on the Sturgis/Night Train. The Moonlander may be able to be stretched to fit as it is made to go around the same 4.7" tires on the BD bikes. :-)

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    In 20+ years of riding in the snow and occasional running water crossings I can comfortably say that I have never had one time when ice has accumulated on the chain. I din't really ride if it is much below 20 Degrees F so that could be part of it.

    Meanwhile, we currently have snow in the forecast for the weekend so BD had better hurry up and ship these suckers out!

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    Never has snow/ice build up on the chain but have had the front derailler ice solid where it was unable to shift. This was urban riding in Chicago in snow/muck. Not a big deal - I just didn't shift up front (I tried to free it by breaking the ice chunks off but cable had frozen). Worked fine once the bike thawed out.

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    we don't freeze/thaw much here. so maybe if it comsfortably below freezing, nothing can melt enough to freeze up the drivetrain.

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    I have a nighttrain bullet on order.. and I was contemplating swapping parts over to a chinese carbon fatty frame so i posed the question of what frame I should look at that would best fit the parts off the nighttrain etc.. some people were saying that the listed spacing off the bikesdirect website of 190x12mm is incorrect and that its actually 197x12mm.. can anyone confirm what the spacing actually is etc..?
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    Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    I apologize if this has been covered already, I've been through most of the pages.

    The sturgis bullet lists - VEE RUBBER26X4.5 Snow Shoe SBK 72TPI Foldable
    The night train lists -
    VEE RUBBER26X4.5 VRB370 Snow Shoe SBK 120TPI Silica Comp. Foldable Light weight
    Problem is I can't seem to find this 72tpi tire anywhere. I'm wondering what the weight and quality difference is between the two tires is.

    I'm not really a fan of sram brakes so that and an x9 rear deraileur are the only difference between the two bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manchvegas View Post
    I have a nighttrain bullet on order.. and I was contemplating swapping parts over to a chinese carbon fatty frame so i posed the question of what frame I should look at that would best fit the parts off the nighttrain etc.. some people were saying that the listed spacing off the bikesdirect website of 190x12mm is incorrect and that its actually 197x12mm.. can anyone confirm what the spacing actually is etc..?
    From email from BD. I asked specifically because I was having a wheelset built for my NT Bullet. Emphasis from BD.

    Hi Tom,
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    D202SB-X12MM ALLOY REAR DISC HUB 32H.OLD:12x197MM , 4 CHINESE BEARINGS,2RS , FOR SNOW BIKE , W/O THROUGH PARTS , POLISH ANOD. BLACK W/NOVATEC LOGO
    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailwerks View Post
    I apologize if this has been covered already, I've been through most of the pages.

    The sturgis bullet lists - VEE RUBBER26X4.5 Snow Shoe SBK 72TPI Foldable
    The night train lists -
    VEE RUBBER26X4.5 VRB370 Snow Shoe SBK 120TPI Silica Comp. Foldable Light weight
    Problem is I can't seem to find this 72tpi tire anywhere. I'm wondering what the weight and quality difference is between the two tires is.

    I'm not really a fan of sram brakes so that and an x9 rear deraileur are the only difference between the two bikes.

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    I thought the vee website shows about 100g difference between 120tpi and 72tpi. 120tpi will be lighter, should be more supple (theoretically) but also more prone to punctures.

    The Sram guide brakes are apparently very good. Xt level. Not the avid juicy or elixir crap.

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    That is interesting that the reply from BD is clearly cut and paste...but from where? When you look at the bike specs for all of the Nighttrain bikes and the Sturgis bikes (same frame) and both the frame and hub descriptions say "12x190" as well as Motobecane's own website...which, as I mentioned earlier, also lists the headtube angle at 70.5 and not the 70 that BD lists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silvbullit View Post
    That is interesting that the reply from BD is clearly cut and paste...but from where? When you look at the bike specs for all of the Nighttrain bikes and the Sturgis bikes (same frame) and both the frame and hub descriptions say "12x190" as well as Motobecane's own website...which, as I mentioned earlier, also lists the headtube angle at 70.5 and not the 70 that BD lists.
    I went back through my emails from BD and that is lifted from the spec sheet they sent to the factory for the build. When I was working with the guy who built my wheelset (Mikesee here on mtbr) he mentioned that the hubs would either have to be 190QR or 197TA. A 190TA hub would be a new "standard" versus the current available offerings of fat bike hubs.

    I think this confusion falls into the same category as BD initially posting a much longer ETT measurement on their website for their 15" NT then changing it to the correct shorter measurement without emailing any customers or noting that the measurement changed.

    None of us will really know until the bikes are in our hands and can take real world measurements.

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    Here is the cut and paste from the email I got from BD with the build spec info. before I asked for more clarification on the hub spacing. Emphasis mine.



    Hi Tom,

    Please see the following I pulled from the factory build sheet.

    DROPOUTS(DO)
    Q65-GP56-10 ALLOY VERTICAL W/POST DISK MOUNT,W/REPLACEABLE HANGER . O.L.N:197MM( W/O 3.5mm WASHER X 2 PCS ) , W/ALLOY 7075 QR 12x229xM12xP1.75 ) # 09-QR-00001-1 ) , BLACK ANOD.


    R/HUB(FH)
    T NOVATEC
    D202SB-X12MM ALLOY REAR DISC HUB 32H.OLD:12x197MM , 4 CHINESE BEARINGS,2RS , FOR SNOW BIKE , W/O THROUGH PARTS , POLISH ANOD. BLACK W/NOVATEC LOGO

    R.HUB THRU QR C
    KINESIS ALLOY 7075 QR 12x229xM12xP1.75 ( # 09-QR-00001-1 ), BLACK ANOD. , ATTACHED ON FM


    Thanks,
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    Re: Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by OnThaCouch View Post
    Here is the cut and paste from the email I got from BD with the build spec info. before I asked for more clarification on the hub spacing. Emphasis mine.



    Hi Tom,

    Please see the following I pulled from the factory build sheet.

    DROPOUTS(DO)
    Q65-GP56-10 ALLOY VERTICAL W/POST DISK MOUNT,W/REPLACEABLE HANGER . O.L.N:197MM( W/O 3.5mm WASHER X 2 PCS ) , W/ALLOY 7075 QR 12x229xM12xP1.75 ) # 09-QR-00001-1 ) , BLACK ANOD.


    R/HUB(FH)
    T NOVATEC
    D202SB-X12MM ALLOY REAR DISC HUB 32H.OLD:12x197MM , 4 CHINESE BEARINGS,2RS , FOR SNOW BIKE , W/O THROUGH PARTS , POLISH ANOD. BLACK W/NOVATEC LOGO

    R.HUB THRU QR C
    KINESIS ALLOY 7075 QR 12x229xM12xP1.75 ( # 09-QR-00001-1 ), BLACK ANOD. , ATTACHED ON FM


    Thanks,
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    Someone should email them back and ask them why their website says something different. Also, if they confirm the discrepancy, they should be told to change it immediately on their website. They seem to add bikes and pictures on their website pretty regularly. I can't imagine it would take more than 10 minutes of their time to change the rear axle and hub info.

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    I thought 190 was the rear spacing, 197 just means it has a thru axle, just like a normal bike with 135 vs. 142 rear spacing. The hubs are still 135, just have the end caps for thru axle...

    I am getting very impatient. Selling one of my other bikes today so I will not have to figure out a place to put the new bike. :-)

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    Oh no selling a bike..I hope my girl doesn't get any eyes on this thread. She will say if others are capable of selling bikes, than so am I. But I am not. I just let buddies that are new to riding borrow mine so it looks like the herd is thinned...to her anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destr0 View Post
    I thought 190 was the rear spacing, 197 just means it has a thru axle, just like a normal bike with 135 vs. 142 rear spacing. The hubs are still 135, just have the end caps for thru axle...
    What I interpreted from what Mike C was telling me when getting my wheelset specs together was that the 190TA would be a "non-standard" (my words, not his...not that there is a rear spacing standard for fat bikes yet) setup. Most designs are either 190QR or 197TA.

    I am not sure why BD would put the 190 spacing all over their website and then have the 197 spacing on their spec sheets but in my dealings with them, there is a lot of "right hand not knowing what the left it doing" kinda things.

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    I wonder how the shipment is going. Tomorrow is the 30th. Anyone with ship dates of the 30th on here? Mine is Nov 10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonggi View Post
    I wonder how the shipment is going. Tomorrow is the 30th. Anyone with ship dates of the 30th on here? Mine is Nov 10
    My original ship date was Oct 18. Never received any updated ship date. Hoping to see some movement soon, but not holding my breath. Planning it won't ship until Nov...that way I'm not disappointed.

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    Mine is Nov 5. I posted on their Facebook page asking for an update, have not heard anything yet.
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    My shipping date is Nov 7th on my updated order (changed from L to XL size).

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    Re: Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

    My ship date was October 17th and I ordered in July. This thread fails to deliver, just like BD.

    I keep checking, thinking maybe today is the day, to no avail. I emailed Novatec about the pricing/availability of the 12x197 and 15x150 hubs. I don't see them listed on the usa site yet. Hopefully not too much over their other offerings.

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    My ship window just passed according to my order confirmation email. "Sturgis || Prepay ships Oct20-28"

    I guess they missed the boat. Haha pun intended.

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    From their Sturgis page as of today: "Pre-Order Bikes will be in our warehouse to ship out to you by Oct 30 to Nov10th (approx. may be early or late by a couple days) May ship a few days earlier or later than expected date range."

    So between that and earlier emails indicating a (very slightly) earlier date in warehouse, I'm hoping for movement in the next week and a half.

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    I have a shipdate of the 30th as well.. checked the tracking # today an nothing... I brought up the hub spacing thing as I was looking at swapping parts from my nighttrain when.it shows up over to a chinese carbon frame.. but it seems as though I need to wait till all this hub spacing crap gets confirmed by someone with one in their possession. This craps confusing...
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    BD will likely post on the FB page when the bikes arrive in their warehouse, just like they did for the Lurch.

    However, what I don't like is that the website now shows Oct. 30-Nov. 10th, but the email we first got was Oct. 27-Nov. 10th. So clearly, the bikes are later than the two week delay. I just wish BD would communicate to their customers.

    I also posted on their FB page asking for a status update and no response yet.

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    Motobecane Sturgis / Night Train Thread

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    My shipping date is Nov 7th on my updated order (changed from L to XL size).
    How tall are you? What made you decide to switch to an xl? I'm torn between the sizes. I'm right at 6'3"



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    Quote Originally Posted by trailwerks View Post
    How tall are you? What made you decide to switch to an xl? I'm torn between the sizes. I'm right at 6'3"

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    I changed my order after riding a Salsa Muk in L and XL - they have very similar geometry to the Sturgis. The XL felt right. I currently ride a L Motobecane Fantom Pro 29er and I have a 20mm setback post and a longer stem than I would like to get the cockpit right. I also ordered a Bucksaw frame in XL and am going to swap the Bluto over to it (I did 5 miles on a L and XL Bucksaw as well and the XL felt right) so wanted the longest steer tube. Still crossing my fingers it will fit or I will have to spend another $540 on a second Bluto (vs. $100 for an ICT fork or similar).

    I am now 43 - in my younger days I liked a smaller frame that felt more nimble and I came from riding 20" back in the day. Now that I am older my back doesn't like a smaller frame. :-)

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    From BD Facebook page this morning

    Good Morning, Eager Fatty-Fans! We mean Fat Bikes, of course!

    We are watching the Sturgis and Night Train containers closer than any other we've had before. The ocean freight company just alerted us that they 'moved to rail'.

    Our directions to forwarder are to move to our Dallas warehouses as that is quicker than going to Houston warehouse on this route (and much quicker than going to our Jacksonville warehouses).

    Rail time can be as little as 2 days and as long as 7. We have local truckers altered that we want 'hot shot' pull and delivery. We will unload, sort, inspect and ship all the same day by bringing in extra help once these arrive.

    All four models: Sturgis, Night Train, Sturgis Bullet and Night Train Bullet have been in high demand.

    We expect the shipment of Sturgis Bullet framesets [due Jan 15] and Sturgis Bullet & Night Train Bullet complete bikes [due Jan 31] will all sell out quickly; especially after the first load is received by customers who will pass the word along.

    So, if you have even the slightest interest, we highly recommend you take a look at our hot new bikes before it's too late to snag one!

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    so by that, looks like a week or 2 out from my door! Woot!
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    Is the Night Train able to accommodate a rear rack? I don't see any mounting holes.



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    Woohoo. Hurry up and get those puppies on the road. The snow is starting to fly in Tahoe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shappy View Post
    Is the Night Train able to accommodate a rear rack? I don't see any mounting holes.



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    To follow up on my own post, does anyone know if this quick release adapter will work on the Night Train:



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