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    Re: Moto / bikes direct fatbikes!

    That all makes sense. To be fair, you do know how I'll be riding it, that's a few posts up.

    I would absolutely love a carbon bear grease, but my spend limit is not that high, or at least, it'll be 18 months to 2 years before I could even think about it. The on one is much closer, but I don't see an enormous difference in components. If this was durable enough to get a couple good years out of, then for my uses it would be a go.

    But I don't know much about geometry and I'm not super educated in wheels, so that's why I ask. I might have to just do some more research on the unknown parts and see what I find.

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    Here's another fun fact: The Bikesdirect bikes are actually a copy of these: Diamant / Nakamura ? Mammut / BigBob Prototype(s) ? Norwegian Fatness! | FAT-BIKE.COM
    These were again the same bikes which were used as a prototype by Norco for their fatbike.

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    Re: Moto / bikes direct fatbikes!

    Thanks for the info. Can someone decipher for me what the HS is? For the headset I'm not sure I understand their description.

    Meanwhile, I emailed them to see if rear clearance is limited by the frame or the drive train. And what fork clearance looks like.

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    Rear clearance is limited by drivetrain. Front takes up to 4,8" tires I think.

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    so, anybody figure out how they are getting a 3x9 to work with 4" tire and a 135-145mm hub, and what appears to be a standard 68/73mm BB?

    And as for the rims being different sizes, in the specs pages Weinmann lists the size as 3.0-4 1/4 for their fat bike/chopper rims.

    They also list ERTO size(including inside width), and have a picture with the width measurement for each model. The model name pretty much gives away the outside width, with the DHL65 being 65mm wide, DHL80 at 80mm, and DHL100 being 100mm wide.

    interesting is the new DHL101, and 102 models. The DHL101 is a lighter double wall 100mm rim, while the DHL102 is a hybrid single/double wall 100mm rim that is basically a single wall with two hollow tubes near the center. The weight is still pretty heavy at 1270g, but might be comparable to, or even lighter than a Clownshoe when drilled out or maybe milled in a Pratt truss design(Northpaw).

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    It looks suspiciously similar to our Diamant Mammut/ Nakamura BigBob Mk2 models, so they likely run the same 17.5mm offset frame and 100mm BB.
    The rims are likely DHL80 rear and DHL100 front.
    Undrilled, the DHL101 is lighter, but DHL100 is lighter, with the same 2 rows of 32mm hole pattern that we developed with Weinmann for these rims. DHL102 sits at 990g drilled with the same pattern.
    Looks like our assembly factory decided to make our design/spec an open model, not sure if we are too psyched about that, but since BD won't ship to Norway, it is not a big deal for us. However, if they start selling out our new 25lb 100mm/100mm fatbike or the new 23lb 100mm/100mm fat in development, we'll be less than enthusiastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot View Post
    Vikb - "The Wallbeast was only a BSO [Bike Shaped Object]"

    Good one vikb! Almost pissed myself.
    Ditto!

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    vikb: then this guy should have been disqualified for not using a bike in the rice..

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    hope they don't go up too quick before i can get one.
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    One of my friends just ordered the Fantom FB4 Comp ($700 model). Once he gets it, I'll put up a decent review, and comparing it to my Muk3

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    Hmm... from the product description:

    Check the large holes in the rim. Most fat bike rims today are single-wall, one layer of material in the rim. With the cutout single wall rims, the one cool side effect is that you can see the rim tape that bulges out due to the pressure in the tube.

    Well. Weinmann DHL80 and DHL100 are both double wall rims. Don't think BD/Motobecane were too involved with the details of development of these bikes, probably because we were the ones who did it for the assembly factory in China. No big deal, though, as they don't ship to Europe. Imitation and flattery and all that.
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    Re: Moto / bikes direct fatbikes!

    Quote Originally Posted by wookie View Post
    Thanks for the tip! I ordered the 19" comp (cheap one). For $695.00 shipped (no tax)-why the hell not?
    I'm seeing $895 and $995... where did you get $695?
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    Moto / bikes direct fatbikes!

    The anti bd ppl crack me up ..

    Yes bd sell bikes mostly in the sub 1k range. The bike biz guy picks apart bd bikes as if a like priced trek or diamondback at the lbs doesn't have similar cut corners...

    Sigh..

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    ...scroll right...
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    Quote Originally Posted by autodoctor911 View Post
    so, anybody figure out how they are getting a 3x9 to work with 4" tire and a 135-145mm hub, and what appears to be a standard 68/73mm BB?
    Either they are wrong about a 145 rear end, and/or wrong about it being centered, or they are not getting full use on the 3 X 9. And that would be with 100 mm bottom bracket. It will be good to see some clarification of what the bikes really have been built to.
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    I think these are a great option between expensive fat bikes and the horrible walgoose....

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    The bright green one, for $695, on the right. As with all BD bikes that I've bought/friends bought, they need a complete tear down and rebuild. The cabling jobs are especially crappy in most cases.

    I think it should suffice for a while, just ride it til you break stuff, then replace. I definitely think the durability will be lower compared to any of the higher priced competitors, but I'd love to be surprised if these are comparable.

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    The green one, and cheapest spec, is $695. I notice, in the picture, it appears to have a different front rim, perhaps the narrower rear rim also used on its front. I just emailed them to ask about it, as I was considering buying one, but want the wider front rim.

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    Re: Moto / bikes direct fatbikes!

    Quote Originally Posted by falkry05 View Post
    The bright green one, for $695, on the right.
    Wow... space cadet! I'm on my tablet and it cropped to the two on the left. :beer:
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    I'm interested to see some user pics starting to show up on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogman View Post
    The anti bd ppl crack me up ..

    Yes bd sell bikes mostly in the sub 1k range. The bike biz guy picks apart bd bikes as if a like priced trek or diamondback at the lbs doesn't have similar cut corners...

    Sigh..
    Nobody has posted an 'anti BD' post here. Just 'caveat emptor' advice. There is a big difference.
    And. By 'bike biz'...I don't sell bikes. At all. I'll pick apart any potential crap I see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Hmm... from the product description:

    Check the large holes in the rim. Most fat bike rims today are single-wall, one layer of material in the rim. With the cutout single wall rims, the one cool side effect is that you can see the rim tape that bulges out due to the pressure in the tube.

    Well. Weinmann DHL80 and DHL100 are both double wall rims. Don't think BD/Motobecane were too involved with the details of development of these bikes, probably because we were the ones who did it for the assembly factory in China. No big deal, though, as they don't ship to Europe. Imitation and flattery and all that.
    Espen, how do the specs on these "Motobecanes" compare to the specs on the BigBoy? Can you give us an idea of weight on the BigBoy?

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    The green one dressed up with purple parts would be sick. Hulk themed. ( comic nerd lol)

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    I too missed that green one for $695. Guessing that one will weigh in over 40 pounds. I bought a BD 3 speed for one of my daughters this spring. Decent enough for the riding she does, but her riding is not out on snowmobile trails when temps are near 0. I will let someone else be the guinea pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogman View Post
    The anti bd ppl crack me up ..

    Yes bd sell bikes mostly in the sub 1k range. The bike biz guy picks apart bd bikes as if a like priced trek or diamondback at the lbs doesn't have similar cut corners...

    Sigh..
    Well, I know the Product Managers at both Diamondback and Trek, and I know that they would not take another brands bike, repaint, slap their stickers on it and market it as their own, even though they also have models made at the same assembly factory (in this case Ideal China). I wonder what Specialized would do if some other brand asked the Merida factory (who assembles Fatboy) to build 200 extra Fatboys so that they could sell it under their own brand.
    Still, we don't care, since Ideal only produced 200pcs of these bikes, and they are not sold to Europe. In fact, having someone else copy our bikes is just good marketing for us.
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