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    I agree with above. It seems that many naysayers like to compare the bikes to more expensive bikes, which BD kind of invites by the way their msrp is inflated. Even with that said, if you compare the bikes to others costing the same, they seem to offer a real value. I have not purchased one, but they have some good deals on the spec sheets.
    I like the idea of supporting an LBS, but if a $695 fat bike allows someone to get in to one that otherwise they would not be able to afford , then I think that is great.
    Also, any shop that has worthy mechanics will still service your bike, even if you didn't buy it there.
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    Is the 695 mb going to be as good as a Mukluk or a Pugsley? I would say no, but a reasonable person shouldn't have that expectation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tincup69 View Post
    $399 fat bike? Wow.
    I'm betting the $399 fat bike will be a single speed. Which might be a great deal since a lot of us have shifters, derailleurs, cassette's, etc. in our bins at home. No sense in paying for low end comps on the $700 bike.

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    I would like to try out one of these fat bikes. Its hard to beat the price for a starter fat bike.

    I can not decide between the comp ($695) and the Elite ($895). Is the $200 price difference worth it at that point?

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    Since the top of the line BD bike is essentially a rebadged Diamant Mammut:
    We got a massive (140 pages+) general fatbike thread over at the Norwegian MTB forum, where we constantly add info about testing, development, etc. Just added info about our new 895g 103mm rims. In addition, one of our customers just mounted Bud/Lou with fork/frame/chain clearance on our MK2 bikes, etc. (on page 140)
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    Do you have the geometry numbers for the various frame sizes listed anywhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chader09 View Post
    Do you have the geometry numbers for the various frame sizes listed anywhere?
    Indeed:
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    I was thinking the same thing. But after looking at some of the specs I just went with the top end one. The folding bead tires are about 1 1/2 lbs lighter than the wire. And the drive components and brakes are a little better, I figured it would be worth the extra coin.

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    this bike looks wonderful.. thinking of selling my pug for one of these and pocket some $

    For the even slightly price conscious folks, why would anyone get a muk over this?

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    Truth in Advertising

    If you click on the picture of thefront tire on BD page, you will see that tire is not 120 tpi, but 72. It is a Vee Rubber Mission tire. Check out the review one MTBR rider gave of those.

    Mini tire review: Vee Rubber Mission 26"x4.0"

    So figure in a few more dollars for tires, unless as the reviewer said you are just buying it as a cruiser.

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    The 72tpi Vee Missions weigh around 1470g, while the new 120tpi ones consistently weigh in at around 1420g, so rather small weight difference between their 72tpi and 120tpi now. I run some of the previous generation (from January) 120Tpi versions that are around 1370g. Works great as an allround tire. Better than the Vee-8 that has gotten some good reviews. The really old ones were 1800g +.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    Well the claim that they will float over 3' of powder snow might be stretching it a bit.
    To be fair, BikesDirect is in Texas.........

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    Green or Black ...

    These look like they will be fun for the Chicago winter coming up.

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    Does anyone know the actual frame/fork spacing and offset on these?

    What about the bottom bracket size?

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    Quote Originally Posted by juxtaposition View Post
    Does anyone know the actual frame/fork spacing and offset on these?

    What about the bottom bracket size?
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    I already received an email with a UPS tracking number. The date of shipment is October 15th. I'm just hoping I won't see a delay.

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    I think that Espen W's info actually helps push the BD fat bikes. Not so strange since he created them, but people were more sceptical of them before he showed up.

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    bhc said: "If you click on the picture of thefront tire on BD page, you will see that tire is not 120 tpi, but 72. It is a Vee Rubber Mission tire. Check out the review one MTBR rider gave of those.

    Mini tire review: Vee Rubber Mission 26"x4.0"

    So figure in a few more dollars for tires, unless as the reviewer said you are just buying it as a cruiser."


    Keep in mind that this is one persons review on his local trails.

    Hardly enough input to form any kind of an opinion.

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    My Mammut is great, my cheapest bike to date and probably the one I have the most /fun/ on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epg0 View Post
    Green or Black ...

    These look like they will be fun for the Chicago winter coming up.
    Yes, they do.

    I think its cool that they took the plunge in what's seen at this time to be a low volume biz. But, like anything. The more people you bring to the party, the bigger the party gets.

    I'm new to the fat bike scene so if it was me. I'd go green. Looking at the photos it sure looks like a nice frame. The frame looks upgradable should you decide on it.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solo-Rider View Post
    Yes, they do.

    I think its cool that they took the plunge in what's seen at this time to be a low volume biz. But, like anything. The more people you bring to the party, the bigger the party gets.

    I'm new to the fat bike scene so if it was me. I'd go green. Looking at the photos it sure looks like a nice frame. The frame looks upgradable should you decide on it.

    Good luck.
    I pulled the trigger on the black one hah.

    I am still debating if I should of just went with the green and used the extra $200 towards minor upgrades or winter clothes, since I am new to the scene was well.

    I might switch it up before they sell out of 19 inch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epg0 View Post
    I pulled the trigger on the black one hah.

    I am still debating if I should of just went with the green and used the extra $200 towards minor upgrades or winter clothes, since I am new to the scene was well.

    I might switch it up before they sell out of 19 inch.
    The black looks cool. Besides, what's done, is done. Be happy and congrats. Damn, i need the 17 inch in green. You think if I send them an email they will save me one. LOL!

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    Timing is funny sometimes. I've been thinking about a fatty for months, but I'm trying to save for some home improvements. Got the BD email about the bikes last night and really thought about ordering since the price is so reasonable.

    This morning my GF mentioned seeing some fat bike pics on Pinterest. She loves the snow and thought those would be major winter fun. I showed her the BD bikes and she was thrilled. I got a text from her later this morning that she was daydreaming about them all the way to, and during work. Gotta admit I spent too much time researching these when I should have been doing other stuff.

    She was giddy all day looking at the site and sharing the link with friend. So I bit the bullet and ordered 2 Pro models in medium. I think she is more excited that I am. Gotta love a girl that says "to hell with the roof until Spring" so we can buy more bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chader09 View Post
    Gotta love a girl that says "to hell with the roof until Spring" so we can buy more bikes.
    So what's this whole "girlfriend" thing about then?

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    LOL, yeah. Gonna fix that in the near future too. Funny thing... this purchase eats into the ring fund, but it will happen with Xmas bonus and vacation buy-back at work.

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    After a night of drinking come home to see the ad for these things on FB. I had to have one at that price. After bit of comparing I just ordered the cheapest one...I wanted the green frame, it really came down to that for me. I would have ordered a more expensive model if it came in green. I can't wait to try this thing out. The real goal is to not upgrade the hell out of it like every other bike I own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey101 View Post
    The real goal is to not upgrade the hell out of it like every other bike I own.
    Gooood luck with that
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    Bought the Green One

    Does anyone know how these wheels would compare in quality, durability, and weight to the On One? I may still be interested in the On One bundle if the wheels are a lot better.

    It looks like the upgrades between the Green and Black are just items I would want to upgrade anyways, so I may go for the green.


    I pulled the trigger on the green one, so once I get the bike I will post some reviews.

    Man I have been wanting a fat bike for winter.
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    It says on the cover 'aluminum' for the frame material, and then says 'alloy' on the bike specs...sorta contradicting itself...this seems like a good deal to get my foot in the door over, since I'm in the market for fatbikes. Should I preorder??

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    Quote Originally Posted by I like bicycles. View Post
    It says on the cover 'aluminum' for the frame material, and then says 'alloy' on the bike specs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venturewest View Post
    [COLOR="#FF0000"]Does anyone know how these wheels would compare in quality, durability, and weight to the On One? I may still be interested in the On One bundle if the wheels are a lot better.
    Not quite sure who makes the rim on the On-One , but I seem to remember that they are 70mm? The Motobecane has Weinmann DHL 100 front and DHL80 rear. Both weigh approx. 1070g when drilled with 32mm holes, are double walled and very strong. Weinmann/Rigida is pretty much the biggest manufacturer of rims in the world. Pretty much all the new fatbikes of various brands that are coming out for MY14, that don't use Surly rims (made by Alex Rims) are made by Weinmann. Many use the single wall HL80 (990g drilled with 32mm holes), and some use the double wall versions. Check pics of the prototype Felt fatbike, for example.
    Spokes are Pillar 14ga and Pillar brass nipples. Rear hub is Deore, front hubs is a KT made one. (KT (and Joytech) makes pretty much all hubs on the market, regardless of brand name stuck on them (ZIPP, etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Not quite sure who makes the rim on the On-One , but I seem to remember that they are 70mm? The Motobecane has Weinmann DHL 100 front and DHL80 rear. Both weigh approx. 1070g when drilled with 32mm holes, are double walled and very strong. Weinmann/Rigida is pretty much the biggest manufacturer of rims in the world. Pretty much all the new fatbikes of various brands that are coming out for MY14, that don't use Surly rims (made by Alex Rims) are made by Weinmann. Many use the single wall HL80 (990g drilled with 32mm holes), and some use the double wall versions. Check pics of the prototype Felt fatbike, for example.
    Spokes are Pillar 14ga and Pillar brass nipples. Rear hub is Deore, front hubs is a KT made one. (KT (and Joytech) makes pretty much all hubs on the market, regardless of brand name stuck on them (ZIPP, etc).
    Thanks for the information. I ordered the cheapest of the 3 bikes, but now I have noticed that the green bike has 28mm holes. Also in the photo it only has one row of holes. Do you think it just has the 80mm rim front and back or do you think this is a differant rim altogether?

    I found your attachment of the geometry and looked that over. I am 5'11", do you think a medium or large would fit the best? What are your thoughts on the 120tpi versus 27 tpi tires? I am kind of thinking I should have bought the PRO.

    Thanks again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venturewest View Post
    Thanks for the information. I ordered the cheapest of the 3 bikes, but now I have noticed that the green bike has 28mm holes. Also in the photo it only has one row of holes. Do you think it just has the 80mm rim front and back or do you think this is a differant rim altogether?

    I found your attachment of the geometry and looked that over. I am 5'11", do you think a medium or large would fit the best? What are your thoughts on the 120tpi versus 27 tpi tires? I am kind of thinking I should have bought the PRO.

    Thanks again.
    Very likely the same rims. Looks like 100mm front. Size M (17'' (c-t)) is correct.
    Don't recall the weight of the 27tpi tires, but 120tpi are only around 50g lighter than the 72tpi ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Very likely the same rims. Looks like 100mm front. Size M (17'' (c-t)) is correct.
    Don't recall the weight of the 27tpi tires, but 120tpi are only around 50g lighter than the 72tpi ones.
    So just to clarify, you think that the green bike's front rim also looks like a 100mm but with only one row of holes drilled instead of two? Does Weinnman produce an 80mm and 100mm rim that has 28mm instead of 32mm holes?
    Thanks for your help!

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    Yep, I have seen a number of bikes with HL80 and DHL80 with 28mm holes instead of the 32mm pattern that we developed with them quite a while back.
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    You's Statesiders are lucky to have these at such a good price, if we had these bikes available here they would sell like hot-cakes, i would even buy the missus one and she doesn't even ride.
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    how is aluminum as fork material? compared to steel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogman View Post
    how is aluminum as fork material? compared to steel?
    Quite nice material. We are running a 650g aluminum fork (@ 200mm steerer) that is fully CEN approved on our upcoming Mk3 models.
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    Steel is the best material for a fork and a frame in my opinion. BUT the cush of a fatbikes tyres will even the field easily, alu is lighter than steel but not as light as carbon.

    Fatbikes kind of break the rule of trail compliance because of the smoothness of the phat tyres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boogman View Post
    how is aluminum as fork material? compared to steel?
    Come on... sorry... I'm not trying to be a jerk... but some of these comments????

    WHY would aluminum be any different for a fork than it is for the rest of the bike? 90% of all other fat bikes are aluminum with aluminum forks... except Surly... so they are the minority. Again... not trying to be a jerk... but some of you guys need to do a little more research on your own and less hand holding from the forums (that already have all these answers, again... if you search on your own).

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    Duggus you posted 1min after me.... a bit of bold and smileys going on there so you are probably not referring to my post ?

    I will just clarify, i currently have 4 bikes and all are fully rigid, ive had 11 bikes in the past 6 years. I have carbon wheels on 2 of my current rides.

    Ive owned and still own.... a full alu rigid, full carbon rigid, Scandium with carbon rigid (still have the one9), Ti with carbon rigid (still have the obeast), Steel with carbon rigid (still have the indy fab) and the mukluk was Alu with steel, and got a fully carbon CX though that doesn't count. The rest are FS bikes, material doesnt really matter with them.

    There is no noticeable difference on a fatbike apart from the back end.... the post in question was about the fork.

    On regular bikes with 2.2" tyres there's no doubt IMO that steel is the nicest frame material, alu and carbon feel exactly the same....scandium feels a little bit different, thats why i have kept my one9 rather than downgrade to the NEW hydroformed One9.

    The only thing that anyone will feel with a steel fatbike fork over an alloy fatbike fork is weight, the big old tyre will suck up the difference in both, you might as well go carbon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Duggus you posted 1min after me.... a bit of bold and smileys going on there so you are probably not referring to my post ?
    No... I wasn't... was referring to the post I quoted and some others. Wasn't trying to rip on anyone too bad... just lots of questions lately that could easily be answered by a quick google/bing/etc search. So is the world of forums, right
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    Very likely the same rims. Looks like 100mm front. Size M (17'' (c-t)) is correct.
    Don't recall the weight of the 27tpi tires, but 120tpi are only around 50g lighter than the 72tpi ones.
    You have been very generous with the information. Much appreciated.
    One more question for you or anyone else.

    Is there much of a difference in general between folding bead or wire bead. The Pro is folding and elite is wire in the 120 TPI.

    I ended up getting a refund on the COMP and now deciding between the other two models.

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    Folding is usually much lighter. Double check that they are indeed 120tpi, as Vee Rubber almost doubled the price on the 120s overnight, but started offering an only slightly heavier 72tpi at the old 120tpi price. My guess is that they are both 72tpi. Check the pics.
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    Medium PRO sold out

    Wow! I was just getting ready to buy the PRO in medium and it is already sold out. I grabbed the Elite.

    Thanks for the info on the tires. Guess I am getting wire bead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogman View Post
    how is aluminum as fork material? compared to steel?
    And what about Alloy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Folding is usually much lighter. Double check that they are indeed 120tpi, as Vee Rubber almost doubled the price on the 120s overnight, but started offering an only slightly heavier 72tpi at the old 120tpi price. My guess is that they are both 72tpi. Check the pics.
    The pic shows all three have 72tpi.

    The specs say that the comp has a 27 tpi wire

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Duggus you posted 1min after me.... a bit of bold and smileys going on there so you are probably not referring to my post ?

    I will just clarify, i currently have 4 bikes and all are fully rigid, ive had 11 bikes in the past 6 years. I have carbon wheels on 2 of my current rides.

    Ive owned and still own.... a full alu rigid, full carbon rigid, Scandium with carbon rigid (still have the one9), Ti with carbon rigid (still have the obeast), Steel with carbon rigid (still have the indy fab) and the mukluk was Alu with steel, and got a fully carbon CX though that doesn't count. The rest are FS bikes, material doesnt really matter with them.

    There is no noticeable difference on a fatbike apart from the back end.... the post in question was about the fork.

    On regular bikes with 2.2" tyres there's no doubt IMO that steel is the nicest frame material, alu and carbon feel exactly the same....scandium feels a little bit different, thats why i have kept my one9 rather than downgrade to the NEW hydroformed One9.

    The only thing that anyone will feel with a steel fatbike fork over an alloy fatbike fork is weight, the big old tyre will suck up the difference in both, you might as well go carbon.
    I have had whippy aluminum bikes with a ton of flex in the frame and fork, (trek 8000/kinesis fork). I also have had unforgiving rigid steel bikes that will bet you to a pulp (OS steel frame with karate monkey fork that was about as compliant as a Cannonade pepperoni).
    It is how the product is engineered rather than what it is made out of that determines the ride.
    Although steel has a higher modulus of elasticity than Alu I doubt it is a big factor with Fatbikes.... other than steel will eventually rust.
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    Green Medium is gone also

    If you want a medium Fantom FB4 you better get on it. The greens are also sold out. Just a few black ones left I think. The elites. I called BD and they said that the specs should be right. The photos were taken at the factory, but the specs should be more current, although the rep I spoke to said verify that with sales.
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    The pic shows all three have 72tpi.

    The specs say that the comp has a 27 tpi wire

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