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    Re: Moto / bikes direct fatbikes!

    That all makes sense. To be fair, you do know how I'll be riding it, that's a few posts up.

    I would absolutely love a carbon bear grease, but my spend limit is not that high, or at least, it'll be 18 months to 2 years before I could even think about it. The on one is much closer, but I don't see an enormous difference in components. If this was durable enough to get a couple good years out of, then for my uses it would be a go.

    But I don't know much about geometry and I'm not super educated in wheels, so that's why I ask. I might have to just do some more research on the unknown parts and see what I find.

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    Here's another fun fact: The Bikesdirect bikes are actually a copy of these: Diamant / Nakamura ? Mammut / BigBob Prototype(s) ? Norwegian Fatness! | FAT-BIKE.COM
    These were again the same bikes which were used as a prototype by Norco for their fatbike.

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    Thanks for the info. Can someone decipher for me what the HS is? For the headset I'm not sure I understand their description.

    Meanwhile, I emailed them to see if rear clearance is limited by the frame or the drive train. And what fork clearance looks like.

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    Rear clearance is limited by drivetrain. Front takes up to 4,8" tires I think.

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    so, anybody figure out how they are getting a 3x9 to work with 4" tire and a 135-145mm hub, and what appears to be a standard 68/73mm BB?

    And as for the rims being different sizes, in the specs pages Weinmann lists the size as 3.0-4 1/4 for their fat bike/chopper rims.

    They also list ERTO size(including inside width), and have a picture with the width measurement for each model. The model name pretty much gives away the outside width, with the DHL65 being 65mm wide, DHL80 at 80mm, and DHL100 being 100mm wide.

    interesting is the new DHL101, and 102 models. The DHL101 is a lighter double wall 100mm rim, while the DHL102 is a hybrid single/double wall 100mm rim that is basically a single wall with two hollow tubes near the center. The weight is still pretty heavy at 1270g, but might be comparable to, or even lighter than a Clownshoe when drilled out or maybe milled in a Pratt truss design(Northpaw).

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    It looks suspiciously similar to our Diamant Mammut/ Nakamura BigBob Mk2 models, so they likely run the same 17.5mm offset frame and 100mm BB.
    The rims are likely DHL80 rear and DHL100 front.
    Undrilled, the DHL101 is lighter, but DHL100 is lighter, with the same 2 rows of 32mm hole pattern that we developed with Weinmann for these rims. DHL102 sits at 990g drilled with the same pattern.
    Looks like our assembly factory decided to make our design/spec an open model, not sure if we are too psyched about that, but since BD won't ship to Norway, it is not a big deal for us. However, if they start selling out our new 25lb 100mm/100mm fatbike or the new 23lb 100mm/100mm fat in development, we'll be less than enthusiastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot View Post
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    Good one vikb! Almost pissed myself.
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    vikb: then this guy should have been disqualified for not using a bike in the rice..

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    hope they don't go up too quick before i can get one.
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    One of my friends just ordered the Fantom FB4 Comp ($700 model). Once he gets it, I'll put up a decent review, and comparing it to my Muk3

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    Hmm... from the product description:

    Check the large holes in the rim. Most fat bike rims today are single-wall, one layer of material in the rim. With the cutout single wall rims, the one cool side effect is that you can see the rim tape that bulges out due to the pressure in the tube.

    Well. Weinmann DHL80 and DHL100 are both double wall rims. Don't think BD/Motobecane were too involved with the details of development of these bikes, probably because we were the ones who did it for the assembly factory in China. No big deal, though, as they don't ship to Europe. Imitation and flattery and all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wookie View Post
    Thanks for the tip! I ordered the 19" comp (cheap one). For $695.00 shipped (no tax)-why the hell not?
    I'm seeing $895 and $995... where did you get $695?
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    Moto / bikes direct fatbikes!

    The anti bd ppl crack me up ..

    Yes bd sell bikes mostly in the sub 1k range. The bike biz guy picks apart bd bikes as if a like priced trek or diamondback at the lbs doesn't have similar cut corners...

    Sigh..

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    Quote Originally Posted by autodoctor911 View Post
    so, anybody figure out how they are getting a 3x9 to work with 4" tire and a 135-145mm hub, and what appears to be a standard 68/73mm BB?
    Either they are wrong about a 145 rear end, and/or wrong about it being centered, or they are not getting full use on the 3 X 9. And that would be with 100 mm bottom bracket. It will be good to see some clarification of what the bikes really have been built to.
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    I think these are a great option between expensive fat bikes and the horrible walgoose....

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    The bright green one, for $695, on the right. As with all BD bikes that I've bought/friends bought, they need a complete tear down and rebuild. The cabling jobs are especially crappy in most cases.

    I think it should suffice for a while, just ride it til you break stuff, then replace. I definitely think the durability will be lower compared to any of the higher priced competitors, but I'd love to be surprised if these are comparable.

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    The green one, and cheapest spec, is $695. I notice, in the picture, it appears to have a different front rim, perhaps the narrower rear rim also used on its front. I just emailed them to ask about it, as I was considering buying one, but want the wider front rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falkry05 View Post
    The bright green one, for $695, on the right.
    Wow... space cadet! I'm on my tablet and it cropped to the two on the left. :beer:
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    Quote Originally Posted by boogman View Post
    The anti bd ppl crack me up ..

    Yes bd sell bikes mostly in the sub 1k range. The bike biz guy picks apart bd bikes as if a like priced trek or diamondback at the lbs doesn't have similar cut corners...

    Sigh..
    Nobody has posted an 'anti BD' post here. Just 'caveat emptor' advice. There is a big difference.
    And. By 'bike biz'...I don't sell bikes. At all. I'll pick apart any potential crap I see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Hmm... from the product description:

    Check the large holes in the rim. Most fat bike rims today are single-wall, one layer of material in the rim. With the cutout single wall rims, the one cool side effect is that you can see the rim tape that bulges out due to the pressure in the tube.

    Well. Weinmann DHL80 and DHL100 are both double wall rims. Don't think BD/Motobecane were too involved with the details of development of these bikes, probably because we were the ones who did it for the assembly factory in China. No big deal, though, as they don't ship to Europe. Imitation and flattery and all that.
    Espen, how do the specs on these "Motobecanes" compare to the specs on the BigBoy? Can you give us an idea of weight on the BigBoy?

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    The green one dressed up with purple parts would be sick. Hulk themed. ( comic nerd lol)

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    I too missed that green one for $695. Guessing that one will weigh in over 40 pounds. I bought a BD 3 speed for one of my daughters this spring. Decent enough for the riding she does, but her riding is not out on snowmobile trails when temps are near 0. I will let someone else be the guinea pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogman View Post
    The anti bd ppl crack me up ..

    Yes bd sell bikes mostly in the sub 1k range. The bike biz guy picks apart bd bikes as if a like priced trek or diamondback at the lbs doesn't have similar cut corners...

    Sigh..
    Well, I know the Product Managers at both Diamondback and Trek, and I know that they would not take another brands bike, repaint, slap their stickers on it and market it as their own, even though they also have models made at the same assembly factory (in this case Ideal China). I wonder what Specialized would do if some other brand asked the Merida factory (who assembles Fatboy) to build 200 extra Fatboys so that they could sell it under their own brand.
    Still, we don't care, since Ideal only produced 200pcs of these bikes, and they are not sold to Europe. In fact, having someone else copy our bikes is just good marketing for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post
    Espen, how do the specs on these "Motobecanes" compare to the specs on the BigBoy? Can you give us an idea of weight on the BigBoy?
    Their top of the line bike is essentially the same, but they use FSA stem/bar/post, since we use our own C4 branded parts here.
    Out of the box, the Mk2 Nakamura BigBob/Diamant Mammut sits at right under 15kg (33lbs) in size 15''. Heavy but durable. Mk3 sheds a huge amount of weight (see below). Mk2 comes with with heavy 4.0 inner tubes (vary from 460-520g a piece). Tubeless setup (120g total with goo), Schwalbe 13F (180-200g) or Maxxis Freeride (295g) is the easiest way to shed a bunch of weight right off the bat.
    What will be interesting to see is if the factory will sell our MY14 designs to others as well. That includes a 25lb BigBob 5.0/Mammut F3 with 100mm rims front and rear, 650g fork, 1500g frame, custom Samox PF30 100mm crankset, etc. Production cost of that one is approx 60% higher than the Mk2 bikes, but around 3kg lighter. My own prototype is even lighter at 23lbs, still 100/100 rims and alloy frame and fork (1295g experimental frame), but some of the components are not suitable for mass production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail View Post
    looks like you can give more detail than BD

    What made you decide to go with the fatter front rim only?
    Clearance issue. The Vee Rubber Mission has a 4.4'' casing width when mounted on the 100mm Weinmann rims, so we had to use 80mm and 4.0 casing width in the rear in order to have chain clearance in the lower gears with the cranks available as OEM at the time the bike was designed (last fall)
    Our first Mk3 prototypes managed to have clearance with 100mm rear rim and the 17.5mm offset design, but for production, we are going with 190mm spacing/hub in order to make room for the new 4.6/4.7'' tire with 6mm knobs that we are developing with Vee-Rubber.
    We made it slightly smaller than the Bud/Lou in order to fit all those frames where Lou just barely don't fit. In addition, it will have holes for up to 300 studs (like the Escalator, just more volume and more studs)
    It will be called Vee-Rubber Snowshoe, and they will show the first prototypes at Interbike.
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    I just ordered a green one, 15 inch. My kids will have a blast on this thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Clearance issue. The Vee Rubber Mission has a 4.4'' casing width when mounted on the 100mm Weinmann rims, so we had to use 80mm and 4.0 casing width in the rear in order to have chain clearance in the lower gears with the cranks available as OEM at the time the bike was designed (last fall)
    Our first Mk3 prototypes managed to have clearance with 100mm rear rim and the 17.5mm offset design, but for production, we are going with 190mm spacing/hub in order to make room for the new 4.6/4.7'' tire with 6mm knobs that we are developing with Vee-Rubber.
    We made it slightly smaller than the Bud/Lou in order to fit all those frames where Lou just barely don't fit. In addition, it will have holes for up to 300 studs (like the Escalator, just more volume and more studs)
    It will be called Vee-Rubber Snowshoe, and they will show the first prototypes at Interbike.
    Thanks for the info especially on the tires!

    Now rant time: Why are they in just in the prototype stage? When are companies that are making fat bike related parts and complete bikes going to realize that our winter riding starts in November and to make products available for wholesale early enough so people aren't scrambling to get ready and that's if the stuff comes in at all. That is all.
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    Cuz winter happens all over the world at different times and we don't even get snow

    We need your late winter tyres for our winter... thought we ride them in summer.
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    I'm looking forward to seeing a Go-Pro film of the new DB fatbike owners chortling merrily as they "Float over three feet of soft powder snow or deep sugar sand and laugh!"


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    I received this confirmation email this morning:


    "Hi, Thank you for pre-ordering a New Motobecane FatBike.

    These bikes are being ordered at a rate that has shocked us; and they are sure to sell out before they land. We feel you will be extremely happy with this bike and look forward to your direct feedback on it. Please send your comments to Chris at bd4salesteam@aol.com or post on mtbr.com.

    Your new Fat Bike is built by the same factory that builds bikes for Kestrel, Fuji, Specialized, and dozens of other quality brands [including Motobecane]. Even though the price we are selling the FB4 models at is rather low; we feel certain you will find itís construction is equal in quality to that of any $2000 Fat Bike.

    Bikesdirect has not decided how broad to go in the Fat Bike market. We are considering bikes down to $399 and bikes up to $2500 Ti versions. Your purchase and input will be valuable in our decision making process. "


    Thanks again


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    $399 fat bike? Wow.
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    Re: Moto / bikes direct fatbikes!

    I dislike bikes direct. Their "fire sale" marketing and false msrp numbers are misleading at best and criminal at worst. Some people order from them, thinking they are getting a $2500 bike for $899, but they are just getting an $899 mail order bike. The bikes that are sold on their website aren't sold anywhere else. How can you have msrp numbers for items that aren't sold by retailers?

    Also using names of once respected, defunct bicycle brands like Motobecane, Windsor, and Mercier to slap onto cheap chinese bikes that said companies would never touch with a barge pole is also pretty low.

    Their bikes may be a decent value, but their marketing practices are pure slimeball stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wookie View Post
    Even though the price we are selling the FB4 models at is rather low; we feel certain you will find itís construction is equal in quality to that of any $2000 Fat Bike.
    I'm all for these... but this info is false on BD's part... just in tires and wheelset alone. I guess they said "we feel" which basically is an empty thought. Anyway... my 2 cents on that


    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    The bikes that are sold on their website aren't sold anywhere else. How can you have msrp numbers for items that aren't sold by retailers?
    Exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boogman View Post
    The anti bd ppl crack me up ..

    Yes bd sell bikes mostly in the sub 1k range. The bike biz guy picks apart bd bikes as if a like priced trek or diamondback at the lbs doesn't have similar cut corners...

    Sigh..
    I bought a Motobecane frame from BD that had the head tube bored incorrectly. The headset cup bores were not parallel- not something that a reaming/facing tool is designed to deal with. With a fork installed, the headset bearings would bind up.

    BD wouldn't warranty it because they said I "modified" it by installing a headset (which is how I discovered the problem in the first place). In my conversations with several different employees, it was clear that they had very little knowledge of how bikes work.

    For what I paid for the frame, I wasn't surprised by the low QC- but I was quite surprised by the poor customer service I received from BD, particularly when you consider what those frames probably cost them. So, yeah- these look like a good value for someone who doesn't need to spend two grand on a fat bike, but wants something better than a Mongoose- but caveat emptor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69tr6r View Post
    I just ordered a green one, 15 inch. My kids will have a blast on this thing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    If you care about service or support after the sale...shop at your local bike shop.
    That's pretty much it. A coworker was grousing about this concept of bikes that are cheap but don't last, or bikes that are quality and expensive but he knows his teenager won't use it enough to justify the price. So I recommended bikesdirect to him and told him to assemble it as best he could, and I'd clean up the rest and educate him a bit on maintenance.

    There are definitely things missing, like the rear disc tabs weren't faced on his bike (a 29er), and tightening the calipers into position only caused them to lose their position.

    If you are mechanically inclined and don't mind a few extra pounds, it's certainly one way to go.
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    man if I can swing it. I will get one. I like the fatbike I tired (carbon beargrease) but for just fun recreational riding I can not justify spending $6000 for it

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    I have a bd full sus... couldn't afford a Santa Cruz Bronson, but not many can. For what I paid, it is a great bike.

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    yo espen is right.. this BD fatbike is basically the diamant mammut bike rebranded

    BD haters don't have a fight in this deal!



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    Quote Originally Posted by boogman View Post
    yo espen is right.. this BD fatbike is basically the diamant mammut bike rebranded

    I checked that out too. If I calculated the Krone to dollar conversion correctly, the cost is just under $1,700.00 American for the Diamant-for whatever that's worth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    If you care about service or support after the sale...shop at your local bike shop.
    Buying something online doesn't excuse the seller from good service. There are many framebuilders and web stores with excellent customer service. Most of my lbs's don't sell or even know the first thing about fatbikes, so I buy lots of stuff online, from small parts to a $5k complete bike. A crappy service experience gets that supplier crossed off my list.

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    bd offers great cust support... not face to face however.. but great support over emails and shipping replacement parts etc..

    I've requested for support from BD for very trivial matters on a $300 bike. I've also requested support from Surly on something similarly trivial on a $1500 pugsley.

    Result:

    BD: responded over email within a day and resolved the matter quickly by shipping out replacement parts

    Surly: never an email response, despite several follow ups.. I guess the douche bags were too busy grooming beards and taking selfies for the blog

    Before you say "should work with your lbs yada yada yada..." yea no $it sherlock. but why would they have a contact email on their website? Plus I wanted to hear directly from the mfgr.
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    BD will sell plenty of these, no doubt.

    I will continue to save for my On-One Fatty bundle as I appreciate building a bike with quality components that don't need replacing within weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boogman View Post
    bd offers great cust support... not face to face however.. but great support over emails and shipping replacement parts etc..
    Not always... read post #94.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wookie View Post
    I checked that out too. If I calculated the Krone to dollar conversion correctly, the cost is just under $1,700.00 American for the Diamant-for whatever that's worth?
    Norwegian retail is 9999NOK, so that is $1695 at todays rate.
    Note that this price includes the Norwegian sales tax that is 25%, so the comparable (to US) pricing (w/o sales tax) is $1355. We presold these bikes back in winter and customers could order from the shops at $1085 (before sales tax).
    Note that this includes a 2 year warranty (5 year on frame/fork).
    Also note that Norway pretty much has the highest cost of living in the world. Gas is close to $11 per gallon, etc.
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    I know BD jacks up their MSRP.. this is obvious... I have never used their claimed MSRP to sway my decision. This goes to pretty much anything I buy... REI might have a jacket on sale for 20%, but their original price might be 20% higher than anyone else...

    It's always a comparison of the purchase price vs the complete bike I'm getting. Any savvy buyer surely takes the same route.

    The fact - This bike is cheaper than if you could import it from Norway.. Its much cheaper than any other options available in the US that still gets you a very capable bike.. haters will focus on the claimed MSRP.. ok have a ball

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