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    Moonlander vs Fatboy

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    The worst part of a Moonlander is it's really hard to see if the rear rotor is true because of the offset.
    That is a pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volsung View Post
    Weight can be fiddled with. My Moonlander is at 30.6 lbs right now. I think a huge part of light Fatboy weight is the 800g rims instead of clown shoes.
    How in tarnations did you get your Moonie to 30.6 lbs? Mine is almost hitting 37 lbs stock.

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    Do we have a confirmed weight yet? I know around 30lbs, but the tires weren't final. I'm not sure the tires are final now, but I thought someone on here might know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarBrahWyo View Post
    How in tarnations did you get your Moonie to 30.6 lbs? Mine is almost hitting 37 lbs stock.
    I have a tare button on my scale and I can weight the scale at 10 lbs and hit tare to zero it out. Then my bike only weighs 29 lbs and I feel really good about it's weight.
    Riding Fat and still just as fast as I never was.

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    Very skeptical of any 30 lb Moonie that still looks like a Moonie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarBrahWyo View Post
    Very skeptical of any 30 lb Moonie that still looks like a Moonie.
    He posted pics of the bike.
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    Bighit - Have to agree with you. I've had my Moonie for 2 years now. I got it because I wanted a better workout in a shorter period of time. The bonus is that it is so much fun, it's hard to stop riding and it's now the only bike I ride. If weight matters, look elsewhere. Most of the weight is the rider, not the bike, anyway. Lose a few........most people need to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgurney View Post
    Bighit - If weight matters, look elsewhere. Most of the weight is the rider, not the bike, anyway. Lose a few........most people need to.
    I can guarantee a 210 pound dude will enjoy riding a 25# fat bike more than a 200# guy will enjoy a 35# bike especially if a lot of the loss in in rotational weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgurney View Post
    Bighit - Have to agree with you. I've had my Moonie for 2 years now. I got it because I wanted a better workout in a shorter period of time. The bonus is that it is so much fun, it's hard to stop riding and it's now the only bike I ride. If weight matters, look elsewhere. Most of the weight is the rider, not the bike, anyway. Lose a few........most people need to.
    A year and a half on my Moonie, and with all the frame, bar, stem and fork bags, plus all the crap in them, it keeps gaining weight. I've lost a few pounds myself, and my pack is lighter. It's still more fun than a guy my age should be allowed to have.
    Riding Fat and still just as fast as I never was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I can guarantee a 210 pound dude will enjoy riding a 25# fat bike more than a 200# guy will enjoy a 35# bike especially if a lot of the loss in in rotational weight.
    Well, that depends. If the 25 lb bike is 6 grand and the 35 lb bike is 2 grand ,I'd say I don 't know. Maybe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rjedoaks View Post
    Well, that depends. If the 25 lb bike is 6 grand and the 35 lb bike is 2 grand ,I'd say I don 't know. Maybe.


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    Moonlander vs Fatboy

    LOL, I was in traffic . Point being, such a small # of 25 lb fat bikes in circulation , that that doesn't make much sense.


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    Which one did you buy?

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    Stupid me

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    I edited my post.
    Never said anything about body weight.

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    Edited: I was talking to 2 different people with almost the same name oops.

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    Ron, I love riding my Pugs. Used it for a recovery ride Monday on the WOD and it was a normal workout. Down from 234 to 215 as of yesterday.
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    It wouldn't matter if one was 150 or 250 pounds, a lighter bike will be more fun to ride. I had a Moonlander and changed out a lot of parts, but I never came close to 30 pounds. It was easier to buy a Borealis and jump right past the 30 pound mark to 23 pounds with carbon wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphazz View Post
    It wouldn't matter if one was 150 or 250 pounds, a lighter bike will be more fun to ride. I had a Moonlander and changed out a lot of parts, but I never came close to 30 pounds. It was easier to buy a Borealis and jump right past the 30 pound mark to 23 pounds with carbon wheels.
    Alphazz,
    I think if most people are considering these two bikes, it's because a Borealis is not in their price range. I'd love a Borealis if I could afford it, but the Moonlander will have to suffice for me. I am not a fan of Specialized any more as a company, but the Fat Boy is a great value when you consider weight and parts.

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    My point Gnar, was that one can put a lot of money into a Moonlander and still not have a 30 pound bike. For the money that I put into my Moonlander, I could have bought a Borealis. Shifters, pedals, bottom bracket, headset, stem, bars, grips, and tires equaled much more than an entry level Borealis. I was responding to the two different comments above. One was someone saying that their Moonlander was 30 pounds and as someone else mentioned, if your Moonlander is 30 pounds, it is no longer a Moonlander. The other was that a lighter bike will be enjoyed by most.

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    Re: Moonlander vs Fatboy

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    The other was that a lighter bike will be enjoyed by most.
    I beg to differ on this. Light bikes are nice, but its not the end all, be all. This is my road bike:






    Is it light? No way, not for a road bike. Is it a nicer bike than many other "light" road bikes out there? Yes, in my opinion, by a mile.

    Some people have different priorities when it comes to bikes. Weight weenie-ism isn't the highest ideal for everyone. Some people prefer steel frames for a number of reasons, and some people like Surly bikes for a number of reasons. For those folks, they would likely enjoy a Moonlander more than a Fatboy or Borealis, and some away from it all with more $$$ left in their pocket.

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    Whatever. It would be rare for someone to choose a bike from two similar bikes just because it was 10 pounds heavier.

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    ^ That must be why Surly is barely hanging on and has trouble moving product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    ^ That must be why Surly is barely hanging on and has trouble moving product.
    I'm curious what has happened to their sales this past year and what will happen in the coming years. If I were looking to purchase a new fat bike, no way would I buy a Surly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphazz View Post
    I'm curious what has happened to their sales this past year and what will happen in the coming years. If I were looking to purchase a new fat bike, no way would I buy a Surly.
    +1. They've been resting on their laurels as the originators of production fatbikes, selling product that is under-engineered and overpriced for too long. The Ice Cream Truck is certainly a step in the right direction, but it's hardly a game changer. Fortunately for Surly, they're not selling bikes as much as they are selling an attitude and a lifestyle, with bikes to go along with it. On that note, they're not unlike Harley Davidson and there is no shortage of lemmings who are lining up to pay too much for what they're selling.
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    A bike is a bike. For many of us, we throw a leg over a bike like a surly, we smile, while we crush those that payed way too much for a lightweight plastic "wonder" machine. And then the carbon koolaid kids lay the plastic toy down on a rock the wrong way and crack/shatter it. Surly wins

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    I've got no comment on Harley Davidson, but obviously Surly is doing something right. Simplicity, durability, value and versatility appeal to many including me. That has always been their target.

    You guys do realize they've been making bikes long before the Pugsley, right? The vast majority of which are still in production. Road bikes, cross bikes, trail bikes, cargo bikes, touring bikes, single speed/fixed gear bikes, you name it. Gee I wonder what will happen when there are some other bikes in those categories to compete with Surly. What will they do?

    I'll tell you what, you guys can keep wringing out your wallets every other season to be on the latest and greatest that the bike industry so generously bestows upon you, and I'll keep happily pedaling along on my bought and paid for Surly (by choice) for the next 5 years like the lemming that I am. 135mm hubs kicks ass, by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newmarketrog View Post
    A bike is a bike. For many of us, we throw a leg over a bike like a surly, we smile, while we crush those that payed way too much for a lightweight plastic "wonder" machine. And then the carbon koolaid kids lay the plastic toy down on a rock the wrong way and crack/shatter it. Surly wins

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    Yah. Carbon fractures and shatters easily, and is super weak.




    Its funny that rog is trolling here after tucking his tail and pouting about tgr.

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    ^ There was a member here a couple months ago that literally shattered one of the chainstays on his carbon fatbike with his FOOT while riding.

    You should see all of the gashes from rocks on my Pugsley frame and fork. Just adds character. If I was riding expensive carbon, I'd be shitting bricks after every scrape. Let's not talk about rim strikes.

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    Re: Moonlander vs Fatboy

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    ^ There was a member here a couple months ago that literally shattered one of the chainstays on his carbon fatbike with his FOOT while riding.

    You should see all of the gashes from rocks on my Pugsley frame and fork. Just adds character. If I was riding expensive carbon, I'd be shitting bricks after every scrape. Let's not talk about rim strikes.
    A yes. The n=1 argument. Well that proves everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iscariot View Post
    A yes. The n=1 argument. Well that proves everything.
    You're right. It doesn't prove anything. But when I had to chose a bike to beat the piss out of on the trail for 5+ years, I go with metal over carbon. Carbon is lighter and stronger, but not tougher or more safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iscariot View Post
    Yah. Carbon fractures and shatters easily, and is super weak.




    Its funny that rog is trolling here after tucking his tail and pouting about tgr.
    Who's tucking tail jongboy? They banned me for busting balls on one of the biggest ball busting forums out there. They can give it but sure can't take it.

    Pouting, get a clue (rolls eyes).

    Carbon and rock don't mix. I know from experience.

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    Who's tucking tail jongboy? They banned me for busting balls on one of the biggest ball busting forums out there. They can give it but sure can't take it.

    Pouting, get a clue (rolls eyes).

    Carbon and rock don't mix. I know from experience.

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    Ha! How demonstrative of your "legend in your own mind" status. You can go back to tgr anytime. You weren't banned permenantly. You just haven't gone back because you're too busy pouting. Congrats on your new home for trolling; you may continue now.

    Carbon and rock do just as well, or better than, aluminum and rock, and on measured stress and impact tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    ..I'll tell you what, you guys can keep wringing out your wallets every other season to be on the latest and greatest that the bike industry so generously bestows upon you, and I'll keep happily pedaling along on my bought and paid for Surly...
    What does "bought and paid for" have to do with anything? My XX1 Borealis with carbon rims is "bought and paid for".

    As for newmarketrog who is crushing the lightweight plastic machines with his heavy Surly, good luck with that opinion. I don't think I saw much or any of that happening this past winter in fat bike races. Carbon was crossing the finish lines at the front pretty consistently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iscariot View Post
    Ha! How demonstrative of your "legend in your own mind" status. You can go back to tgr anytime. You weren't banned permenantly. You just haven't gone back because you're too busy pouting. Congrats on your new home for trolling; you may continue now.

    Carbon and rock do just as well, or better than, aluminum and rock, and on measured stress and impact tests.
    Was here before tgr.

    Aluminum? How does aluminum play into this discussion?

    No I cannot go back to tgr. Can't log in. Banned for life. Dunfee's mentioned it quite a few times. You obviously aren't very observant. Thanx for playing tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphazz View Post
    What does "bought and paid for" have to do with anything? My XX1 Borealis with carbon rims is "bought and paid for".

    As for newmarketrog who is crushing the lightweight plastic machines with his heavy Surly, good luck with that opinion. I don't think I saw much or any of that happening this past winter in fat bike races. Carbon was crossing the finish lines at the front pretty consistently.
    But in the right hands in the real world.......steel crushes plastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    ^ There was a member here a couple months ago that literally shattered one of the chainstays on his carbon fatbike with his FOOT while riding.

    You should see all of the gashes from rocks on my Pugsley frame and fork. Just adds character. If I was riding expensive carbon, I'd be shitting bricks after every scrape. Let's not talk about rim strikes.
    Word.

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    No I cannot go back to tgr. Can't log in. Banned for life. Dunfee's mentioned it quite a few times. You obviously aren't very observant. Thanx for playing tho.

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    But in the right hands in the real world.......steel crushes plastic.

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    You're only lying to yourself. Everyone knows it. A legend in your own small mind with your tail between your legs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iscariot View Post
    You're only lying to yourself. Everyone knows it. A legend in your own small mind with your tail between your legs.
    Heh, Whatever makes you feel better poseur jongboy

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    Stupid nerd drama like you babies are why I rarely read this forum anymore. Take it to PMs because no one else cares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volsung View Post
    Stupid nerd drama like you babies are why I rarely read this forum anymore. Take it to PMs because no one else cares.
    Lighten up francis. You need a surly if you don't already have one. ICT ops for you. With tan sidewall nates

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    Re: Moonlander vs Fatboy

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    What does "bought and paid for" have to do with anything? My XX1 Borealis with carbon rims is "bought and paid for".
    It means I'll be happily riding my Surly when you'll be jonesing to hemorrhage more money yet again when something a little lighter, stiffer, or with some newer "better" standard gets released a season or two from now. Nothing wrong with it. I just know that I'm lucky in a sense, to like steel bikes and like riding steel bikes.

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    There is nothing wrong with steel, bumpers on cars ought to be made with the stuff. But the Moonlander ought to come with an additional sticker, "Do not lift without the proper stance and a weight belt".

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    Moonlander vs Fatboy

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    A year and a half on my Moonie, and with all the frame, bar, stem and fork bags, plus all the crap in them, it keeps gaining weight. I've lost a few pounds myself, and my pack is lighter. It's still more fun than a guy my age should be allowed to have.
    I've had my Moonlander for almost a year now and it's doing the same thing as yours. Gaining weight. About to add a rear rack so family does not have to haul as much on outings this summer. Fun machines these things. The Specialized is a nice ride though. Tried one at LBS. Had me tempted. The new Rocky Mountain is calling me now though. This time next year I'll likely be still on the Moonlander having fun. If it has fat tires they are all fun.

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    [QUOTE=JAGI410;10654160]Another consideration is hubs. Pugs/Moonie uses cheap (and great!) 135mm hubs, whereas the 190mm hubs are very limited and expensive. So if you're planning spare wheelsets, or touring, etc, the 135mm hub is still a huge benefit when comparing the bikes.[/QUOTE

    I know this is an older post but wanted to state that the 190mm rear spacing is fast becoming a standard for many bikes coming out now so don't be deterred by its numbers because they will take over fat bikes soon...enjoy!
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    I almost sold my Moonlander for a Fatboy last fall. Had a buyer lined up and test rode the Fatboy and even had cash in hand. Whatever the weight difference was, was not that noticeable. The Fatboy felt less comfortable and I think tread on the tires did not grip as well. I decided to keep my Moonlander for the time being. Even though the bike is heavy, I preferred the comfort factor and how the bottom bracket felt to the Fatboy.
    I plan to ride my Moonlander a season or two more and eventually jump into a Borealis when I can afford one. I am not fast on my fatty, and I don't race. I strictly do it for winter excercise and a way to keep from falling out of shape in the winter. I have a lot of issues with Specialized's business model in the past few years and that was definitely a factor too. I don't think Surly fat bikes are gonna disappear. They have built a reputation on comfortable, utilitarian bikes that keeps them relevent. They don't need to make an aluminum or carbon fat bike to stay relevant.

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