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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelmotor View Post
    Post is stamped 30.6.
    First major disappointment with spec I've found.
    Why not 30.9?
    If you wish to use that particular post it can be lathe turned to size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captlink View Post
    If you wish to use that particular post it can be lathe turned to size.
    it seems the 30.6 is not a super snug fit . I tried a 30.9 i had laying around it will not fit wondering about a 30.8 . Other option is a cane creek 30.6 to 27.2 adapter. the reason i would do this is for a carbon seat post in the hope of a little more give without the weight of a thudbuster.
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    Thanks guys for the sizing feedback - now to find one for $450

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    I'm going to D ick's Sporting Goods tomorrow to see if I can order in store to get free shipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowride454 View Post
    I'm going to D ick's Sporting Goods tomorrow to see if I can order in store to get free shipping.
    I tried doing that Tuesday with no luck, let us know if you have better results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j.rex View Post
    I tried doing that Tuesday with no luck, let us know if you have better results.
    y no luck? what happened?

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    The guy brought it up on the computer in the store and said he'd still have to do a web order and that there'd still be shipping charges.

    I'm waiting for a sale to hopefully drop the final price to around $500 or less since I really don't need another fat bike.

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    I have around 50 miles on mine so far it has far exceeded my expectations. The group I ride with are riding carbon bear grease a couple Farley 6's and a Fatboy and all were impressed especially when I told them the price.

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    I have Scheels checking on pricing, since they have access to Mongoose BMX. I'll report back when I get info.

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    It really is a steal of a bike, even at Dick's retail price. Knowing if Scheels could get it would be good.
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    The Scheels at the mall has them assembled in stock. List like $550. I got them to price match the MC Sports price. I am going there tonight after work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowride454 View Post
    The Scheels at the mall has them assembled in stock. List like $550. I got them to price match the MC Sports price. I am going there tonight after work.
    That's awesome! What Scheels location? Do they have another one? Are they price matching the black friday deal? Did you just show them the coupon?

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    The Scheels in the Fox River Mall in Appleton. I told them that D icks and MC Sports had them. He checked the prices and said MC has a store in Manitowoc and they have at $499. So he is price matching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowride454 View Post
    The Scheels in the Fox River Mall in Appleton. I told them that D icks and MC Sports had them. He checked the prices and said MC has a store in Manitowoc and they have at $499. So he is price matching.
    Sucks they're not in the southeast.

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    I bought my Vinson last night. Hope to get some riding in this weekend. This is a very well built bike from my visual inspection. The frame has nice welds and the factory paint is fantastic. The orange and teal really POP on the white. I was driving my wife smaller SUV when I got it, so I had to take both wheels off to get it home. This frameset is light. I will try to get some wheel and frame weights too.

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    Re: mongoose Vinson

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    Bud fits, working on Lou.
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    Nice!

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    Ill get around to the lou tomorrow. Had an emergency family issue.
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    Looks like there's plenty of room for the bud, the Lou isn't much wider, I don't see why it wouldn't fit, gonna have to order my own soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aarontriton View Post
    it seems the 30.6 is not a super snug fit . I tried a 30.9 i had laying around it will not fit wondering about a 30.8 . Other option is a cane creek 30.6 to 27.2 adapter. the reason i would do this is for a carbon seat post in the hope of a little more give without the weight of a thudbuster.
    Yeah, but 30.9 seems to be the sweet spot for posts in the current market, innovation and variety even better than 27.2.
    I'll probably pick up a Cane Creek shim and use a Thomson 27.2 x 410.
    I was hoping to use a dropper, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowride454 View Post
    I bought my Vinson last night. Hope to get some riding in this weekend. This is a very well built bike from my visual inspection. The frame has nice welds and the factory paint is fantastic. The orange and teal really POP on the white. I was driving my wife smaller SUV when I got it, so I had to take both wheels off to get it home. This frameset is light. I will try to get some wheel and frame weights too.
    The paint is too good.
    I will feel bad if I decide to go flat black.

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    135/190 seems to be an odd combination for axle widths.
    No obvious option for a 29+ existing wheelset to throw on. (why the Minnesota Framed and BD Bullseye were at the top of my shopping list until the Vinson jumped to the front of the value class)
    At least they are both known widths, so wheels are readily available, just not as sets and they won't be cheap.

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    For 29+ I plan on putting a Kampus fork in it to make it a bit more slack. A set of Velocity P35s and some bargain hubs should build up cheap and reliable wheels for summer.

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    Where are you seeing bargain 190 hubs?

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    Ali express has a 135/190 set for $53.97

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowride454 View Post
    Ali express has a 135/190 set for $53.97
    Wow, Ali Express is a pain to search.
    I can't find a 135/190 set for that price.

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    Ditto
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    Quote Originally Posted by x3speed View Post


    Bud fits, working on Lou.
    Any luck with fitting the Lou?
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    Sorry, the weekend got crazy and the wife got cranky. I will try this evening. I'm guessing I'll get a smidge of chain rub, but we will see. The bud was not as big as I thought it would be relative to the VEE.
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    Sorry folks. I've had a few PM's on the Lou fit. I have been swamped at work. End of semester for the high school kiddies I teach. I will try to squeeze it in tonight but it will be after 10 central. After that, I will be working on tubeless using moonlander rimstrips first, then the wide gorilla tape. I post it asap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by x3speed View Post
    Sorry folks. I've had a few PM's on the Lou fit. I have been swamped at work. End of semester for the high school kiddies I teach. I will try to squeeze it in tonight but it will be after 10 central. After that, I will be working on tubeless using moonlander rimstrips first, then the wide gorilla tape. I post it asap.
    Would Love to find out how its goes with the tubeless . I played around with gorilla tape no success with the standard tires very loose fit. But again not alot of effort on my part.
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    Hi All,

    Can anyone provide more detailed specs on the Mechanical Disc Brakes that come with this bike (no-name, Tektros...)?

    Also, are the Vee Missions Wire or Folding Bead?

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    Yeah, no way the vees would, but bud is not tight either, the bead came off twice while fitting it. It may be fun.
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    Jak speed brakes. I like them. They bite.
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    So it looks like the bud fits all around sorry it took so long guys this week sucked, thanks for your patience. There is no rub in the big cog and little chainring but I'll have to say it's pretty close maybe two millimeters
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    I am going to see if I can try a Bulldozer sometime soon.

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    Bike is setup for a short dude my dads 5 foot 7 with a 30 inch inseam and 6 foot 3 with a 36 inch inseam interestingly enought it pretty much fits both of us depending on how you set it up
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    I am 5' 11" with a 30" inseam. I am looking at layback seatpost options.

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    These tires look so much better in person; I can't believe these tires fit. This bike is one heck of a deal.
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    Are your Lous brand new? What psi are they filled to? Lous fit on my dolomite, but are starting to rub now that they're stretching and with the frame flexing, wondering if you'll have the same problem, let's hope not.

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    Brand new. Not sure this frame will flex under my dad. He's a spinner. Hoping to go tubeless after a few rides
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    Quote Originally Posted by x3speed View Post
    There is no rub in the big cock and little chain drink
    Sorry better luck next time man!!

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    Oops, I should edit my posts after voice typing.
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    Looks so sweet with bud and Lou ! I would like to find a happy medium tire wise . I have a hard enough time pedaling these fat tires around. But i want more grip the the stock tires.


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    MC sports has them black friday priced in today's flyer, $450
    Today I will do what others won't, so tomorrow I can do what others can't

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    And they posted it on their website:

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    So I have ordered new tires for the Vinson. I ordered a surly bud for the front and a vee rubber bulldozer for the rear. I will let you know how it works out. The missions just are not cutting it for Michigan weather and needed more grip . No snow right now but lots of wet and frozen leaves

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    Upset

    The fork is not supposed to be tweaked like this, correct?mongoose Vinson-vinsonfork.jpg

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    I would say not! Wowser.

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    I gave up waiting for Dick's to have a decent sale on the Vinson, so I drove 2 hours to a MC sports and picked one up for $450. The quality is so much better than the Dolomite, it has real bike components instead of cheap steal crap. I got my Surly Lous on, adjusted the brakes, re-lubed the chain, and removed all the warning stickers, other than the twisted fork issue above, it's ready to hit the trails when they freeze back up.

    Hopefully Pacific will send me a new fork soon, because it's messing up the alignment of the disc brake and it just looks weird. I'm amazed somebody put that together at the store and said it was ok, there's no why you can't notice it when aligning the handlebars.

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    Thanks for all your posts & pics, x3speed! Looks great! Something even some of your students might be able to afford!

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    Happy to help. Taptalk app helps too. My Dad loves the bike. Its actually made some of my not so athletic friends curious.
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    Re: mongoose Vinson

    New meats on the bike bud front bulldozer rearmongoose Vinson-uploadfromtaptalk1419447714629.jpg

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    So I put a few miles on the Vinson this morning wet sloppy cold mud. The bud in the front and bulldozer in the rear have transformed this bike . I have so much more confidence in the corners and technical stuff. No self steer at 9 psi. I am 230 with gear. If your still on the stock tires do yourself a favor and upgrade your tires.

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    Got to second what aarontriton said. Definitely a different bike with different tires. This is my first fat bike so I wasn't sure about the "self-steer" phenomenon, but the bike just felt squirmy with the stock tires. New treads, waaay better feel. FWIW, I went with Dillinger 4's front and rear.

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    Appreciate this forum so much. Hope to pick up a Vinson tomorrow morning. (Asked a manager to hold one a week ago. MC Sports location close to family holiday spot...400 MI from home ) Excited to get some saddle time. Great info and impressions/opinions/experience here.

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    Thanks to all that have posted info about the Vinson, it helped me make an educated decision and order mine from ***** Sporting Goods. Got it all put together this am. As so many post have stated, pictures do not do this rig justice, it looks so much better in the flesh! I've got a few parts ordered so it will fit me better, purely personal preference, shorter stem, taller bars, fatter grips. Getting better tires in a few weeks too. Will post some pics when it's all doctored up. 🚲

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyTrak View Post
    Thanks to all that have posted info about the Vinson, it helped me make an educated decision and order mine from ***** Sporting Goods. Got it all put together this am. As so many post have stated, pictures do not do this rig justice, it looks so much better in the flesh! I've got a few parts ordered so it will fit me better, purely personal preference, shorter stem, taller bars, fatter grips. Getting better tires in a few weeks too. Will post some pics when it's all doctored up. 🚲
    Smart decision on tire upgrade. Rode 16 miles today with the bud on front and bulldozer back and the bike is sooooo much better rides better zero self steer and less rolling resistance.

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    Good job!

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    Smart decision on tire upgrade. Rode 16 miles today with the bud on front and bulldozer back and the bike is sooooo much better rides better zero self steer and less rolling resistance.

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    Thanks for the heads up. Your rig looks right. For sure the stock tires are kind of a handful where I went riding today. Looking forward to getting news bits mounted up. Just got shipping conf. a few minutes ago so it should be a few days not weeks before it all gets sorted out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyTrak View Post
    Thanks for the heads up. Your rig looks right. For sure the stock tires are kind of a handful where I went riding today. Looking forward to getting news bits mounted up. Just got shipping conf. a few minutes ago so it should be a few days not weeks before it all gets sorted out.
    Nice I changed my stem and ordered new grips. This bike is nice but can be great with a few upgrades.

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    mongoose Vinson-uploadfromtaptalk1419649454574.jpgpicture from today. This bike is a blast.

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    I already own a Motobecane FB4 Comp that received several upgrades. I seen this bike and felt it was a great value. We made a road trip yesterday to the nearest MC Sports after making sure they had a Vinson in stock. Price had went up to $499, the manager gave it to me for $450. Great value at that price. Will be doing several upgrades today and hope to get it out on the road tomorrow. No snow here yet and 50 degrees today in mid-Michigan.

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    Does anyone have a screenshot or a link to the $499 price?

    I might try to have D!ckssportinggoods price match.
    I bike with tires.

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    The problem with D!ckssportinggoods is its mail order only and they hit you with $125 shipping....I talked to a couple local stores and they will not ship to store for pick up. But let us know if they will price match at 499.
    it's a big sh*t sandwich and were all gonna have to take a bite

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    The problem with D!ckssportinggoods is its mail order only and they hit you with $125 shipping....I talked to a couple local stores and they will not ship to store for pick up. But let us know if they will price match at 499.
    Hey toe-knee it must have been a fluke or something but DSG had the Vinson for a brief minute for 529.00 & free shipping when I lucked up and saw it. Hard to be patient.

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    awesome pic! Are you near the Twin Cities area? Looks like the river bottoms...

    Out of curiousity, what made you decide on Bud/Bulldozer combo? Why not Bud/Bud, Bud/Lou, or just straight Bulldozers?

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    How does the Mongoose Vinson compares to the Framed Minnesota 1.0 or Minnesota 2.0??? Thanks in advanced!

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    awesome pic! Are you near the Twin Cities area? Looks like the river bottoms...

    Out of curiousity, what made you decide on Bud/Bulldozer combo? Why not Bud/Bud, Bud/Lou, or just straight Bulldozers?
    Southern Michigan . Fort Custer rec area. I went bud front and bulldozer because I was concerned about rear tire clearance. No regrets this tire combo made this bike so much better I could not get rear or front to slip .and the bike rolled better and smoothed the ride.

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    How does the Mongoose Vinson compares to the Framed Minnesota 1.0 or Minnesota 2.0??? Thanks in advanced!
    I ride with several guys with framed 1's and 2s I would say its in the middle. Nicer then the 1 but spec lower than the 2 . I do like the 100 mm rims on the Vinson and the 190 spacing on the Vinson to fit fat tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aarontriton View Post
    I ride with several guys with framed 1's and 2s I would say its in the middle. Nicer then the 1 but spec lower than the 2 . I do like the 100 mm rims on the Vinson and the 190 spacing on the Vinson to fit fat tires.

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    Wow that 190mm spacing is like the Minnesota 3.0! how about the tires that come with it? Is it a "must upgrade" to ride in snow?

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    I did upgrades on my Vinson today.
    Forte Team Handlebar 720mm
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    Dropped 3 pounds with the upgrades. Using the bathroom scale measurement. Going to order a seat post shim so I can put a carbon post I have in the bin on the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aarontriton View Post
    I ride with several guys with framed 1's and 2s I would say its in the middle. Nicer then the 1 but spec lower than the 2 . I do like the 100 mm rims on the Vinson and the 190 spacing on the Vinson to fit fat tires.

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    good points on the Vinson, im realizing its a better buy the more I learn about it, thanks!

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    what is MS sports, I would like to buy a Vinson

    Rich in San Francisco

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichOinSFCA View Post
    what is MS sports, I would like to buy a Vinson

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    Dick's Sporting Goods is also selling the bike online for $580.

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    Did anyone get a weight for the stock bike?

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    Question about the Vinson, and sizing in general.

    My mom wants a fat bike after riding my Farley 6 (size 17.5), so now we're looking at budget fatties (Framed Minnesotas, Badger, Bikes Direct, and now the Vinson). She'll be using it all year, in a more leisurely fashion not on anything too crazy. But I'm proud of her, she's 63, has a department store cruiser, got on the fatty, and got the bug!

    I see the Vinson is only available at ***** in a size 18.

    With how she plans on using it, would it be a sin to go for it, and lower the seat, maybe shorten the stem or raise the bars a bit? She's pretty short, probably closer to 5'4ish? I'd like to get her on one to see how the standover is.

    Edit: lol @ D1ck's getting blocked out above.

    Edit #2: isn't the Wal-goose just one size?
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    I can't imagine this bike would be comfortable for her at 5'4"
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post
    Did anyone get a weight for the stock bike?
    35.7 pounds after I removed the reflectors, replaced the seat and added some little running lights. Should be within a few ounces of stock but maybe someone else can give you a more accurate number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcthreadski View Post
    I just got one. It seems pretty alright, especially at the price they have. The components are solid. It has a Sram rear derailleur and a Shimano front derailleur, 3 x 8 drivetrain. It's all basic stuff, but of good enough quality to last a number of years and be upgraded upon as needed. Nothing feels "junky" or like some the stuff you see at the big boxes when it comes to bike shaped objects. This is a bike shop quality bike at a good discount because Mongoose plays in that market.

    I took a good spin on it again on Sunday and I thought the bike out performed the rider, I thought the bike became predictable and sturdy, which came in handy for a big guy, riding on a snow covered trail for his first real ride on a fat bike. I know enough from mountain biking and cross country skiing to know how far you can push it on snow before it gives way and causes spin outs. With the 90 mm hubs and the 4" Vee tires, I got to give it enough mustard without losing traction to churn up the trail and I needed to exchange gears a couple times and the whole thing held together nicely.

    For the money, I think this bike is a no brainer. The frame is nice enough to upgrade on and it comes with a really workmanlike group of components.

    10/10 would buy again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyriverag View Post
    Question about the Vinson, and sizing in general.

    My mom wants a fat bike after riding my Farley 6 (size 17.5), so now we're looking at budget fatties (Framed Minnesotas, Badger, Bikes Direct, and now the Vinson). She'll be using it all year, in a more leisurely fashion not on anything too crazy. But I'm proud of her, she's 63, has a department store cruiser, got on the fatty, and got the bug!

    I see the Vinson is only available at ***** in a size 18.

    With how she plans on using it, would it be a sin to go for it, and lower the seat, maybe shorten the stem or raise the bars a bit? She's pretty short, probably closer to 5'4ish? I'd like to get her on one to see how the standover is.

    Edit: lol @ D1ck's getting blocked out above.

    Edit #2: isn't the Wal-goose just one size?
    I am 57 y/o and have just over 200 miles on the FATTY I bought from DB in Nov. I bought the Gravity Bullseye Monster! Love it. Check their site. You're mother will be able to get the size she needs for her body size and have a lot more fun on a bike that fits her, than one that comes in one size. Annnnnd. They come in different colors.

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    Anybody tried going tubeless on their Vinson yet? My SIL bought one and the rubbing sound the tube makes at lower pressures is awful!
    BTW, it's a helluva nice bike for the price, and I'm riding a Farley 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marna_Kazmaier View Post
    I am 57 y/o and have just over 200 miles on the FATTY I bought from DB in Nov. I bought the Gravity Bullseye Monster! Love it. Check their site. You're mother will be able to get the size she needs for her body size and have a lot more fun on a bike that fits her, than one that comes in one size. Annnnnd. They come in different colors.
    Glad to hear you're loving the fatty! We (actually I, ha) looked at the BD bikes and many (the ones in the colors she likes) were backordered. Looks like she is going to roll with a Charge Cooker Maxi. She got on it and loved it. Oddly, she wasn't impressed with the Framed MN 2.0 and didn't love the Badger Fattywompus 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyriverag View Post
    Glad to hear you're loving the fatty! We (actually I, ha) looked at the BD bikes and many (the ones in the colors she likes) were backordered. Looks like she is going to roll with a Charge Cooker Maxi. She got on it and loved it. Oddly, she wasn't impressed with the Framed MN 2.0 and didn't love the Badger Fattywompus 2.
    Ha3 You are not in SD are you? <winks> I bet your mom could be my riding partner.

    I HAD to have the Lime Green Monster. Other colors would not do. I also have made my gear to match. <smiles>

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    Ha3 You are not in SD are you? <winks> I bet your mom could be my riding partner.

    I HAD to have the Lime Green Monster. Other colors would not do. I also have made my gear to match. <smiles>

    Ha, we are in WI. How tall are you, and what size did you get? I guess I totally missed it, but your bike is in stock at BD. Very tempting.
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    Quick question. Why did you go for the bulldozer instead of the surly lou?

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    Quick question. Why did you go for the bulldozer instead of the surly lou?
    I was worried about clearance in the rear. I will say the the combo I have is awesome I can climb any hill a rail corners . I think the bulldozer is an excellent tire and rolls fast. No snow yet but supposed to get some this weekend. Will update. By the way no annoying squeaky noise from the tires like the missions did.

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    Is the bulldozer really 4.7? Or similar to the snowshoe, where advertised size is inflated?
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    Is the bulldozer really 4.7? Or similar to the snowshoe, where advertised size is inflated?
    I have not measured it but it is extremely close to the width of the bud. It dwarfs the missions that were on it the side benefit is the bike rides way smoother now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aarontriton View Post
    I was worried about clearance in the rear. I will say the the combo I have is awesome I can climb any hill a rail corners . I think the bulldozer is an excellent tire and rolls fast. No snow yet but supposed to get some this weekend. Will update. By the way no annoying squeaky noise from the tires like the missions did.

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    Thank you! I didn't think about clearance, I think some body did put a bud on the vinson. I'm not sure if it is working at low psi

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJGT View Post
    Thank you! I didn't think about clearance, I think some body did put a bud on the vinson. I'm not sure if it is working at low psi
    My intentions are to go tubeless and if I do the bulldozer should fit fine.

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    Wonder if the bulldozer would be good for the Minnesota 3.o rear. Lous wont fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyriverag View Post
    Ha, we are in WI. How tall are you, and what size did you get? I guess I totally missed it, but your bike is in stock at BD. Very tempting.
    Ha3 We lived in WI for 9 years, in Bryant, near Antigo, N or Wausau. Loved it. We raced sled dogs then.

    I am 5' 6" tall and we bought the 18". I am long legged. I love the fit.

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