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    I figure low engagement hubs won't matter that much on snow?

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    I was dreaming about a set of these last night LOL

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    Re: The Minnesota 1.0 and 2.0 Fatbikes

    Quote Originally Posted by hokiebrett View Post
    I figure low engagement hubs won't matter that much on snow?
    Actually, quick engagement hubs are always better... especially at a slow stall and go pace like in the snow.
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    Any updated news on the eta? Apparentely on Framed's facebook page, they are updating things, but facebook is blocked on all my work computers...

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    Nope nothing has been posted about ETA on the Framed Facebook since the last message that said

    "Framed Bikes We just got word that they hope to be assembling Framed Bikes around the 20th. A few days later than hopped but still way ahead of schedule.

    Like ∑ Reply ∑ January 14 at 10:20pm"
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    Looks like we should have more information early Monday morning. This was posted on the Framed Facebook page

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    Both the White/Orange and Black Minnesota 2.0 are now showing up as In Stock. They were both showing up as back ordered yesterday. Only 18" left in the White/Orange and 16 and 18" in the Black. So they should be shipping real soon since they show Ships Immediately for the 2 colors in stock.

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    On Sale Framed Minnesota 2.0 Fat Bike White/Orange 2014

    Black Minnesota 2.0

    On Sale Framed Minnesota 2.0 Fat Bike Black 2014


    Both the Red/Silver and Black/White are still showing up as a back ordered.

    Silver/Red

    On Sale Framed Minnesota 2.0 Fat Bike Silver/Red 2014

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    On Sale Framed Minnesota 2.0 Fat Bike Black/White 2014
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    Just my luck...I have a Silver/Red ordered!

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    I called this morning to switch from the black/white to the black/black that shows in stock and was told that the they are not in stock and the "In Stock" status is an error. Sigh...

    The service rep also told me that the stock dates are usually very accurate.

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    Just posted on the Framed Bike Facebook page.


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    Fat Bike Update! The bikes are at customs getting inspected which is causing a short delay. We should know more soon on an incoming date to The House Boardshop
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    Oh man... I was really hoping to hear some early shipping news today! I hope Customs doesn't hold things up too much.

    Does anyone know the width of the Fattie Slims rims that come with the package?


    Also, what is the relationship between Framed and The House?

    Waiting patiently (sort of)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrdSHOx3 View Post
    I called this morning to switch from the black/white to the black/black
    Honestly, I'd keep the black/white. I've read black rims like to collect snow on the trails. They warm in the sun then freeze again when snow hits them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiebrett View Post
    Honestly, I'd keep the black/white. I've read black rims like to collect snow on the trails. They warm in the sun then freeze again when snow hits them.
    I did keep the black/white combo. I was trying to be slick and do the switch to what was supposedly in stock. :0

    Looks like they are on the way, keeping fingers crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrdSHOx3 View Post
    I did keep the black/white combo. I was trying to be slick and do the switch to what was supposedly in stock. :0

    Looks like they are on the way, keeping fingers crossed.
    I think the black/white looks really slick.

    I almost went with it, but I've never owned a white bike and the orange rims just looked cool and funky... I mean hey, it's a fat bike, make it funky right?!

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    Patiently, or not Patiently waiting over here. I have a bikepacking trip in Pisgah scheduled for the 6-9th of February. All of my accessories are sitting in the garage with panniers, frame bags, hammocks, bags, you name it.. Just need a bike to put it on so I don't have to take the 29er!

    Cmon customs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by crankdriven View Post
    Patiently, or not Patiently waiting over here. I have a bikepacking trip in Pisgah scheduled for the 6-9th of February. All of my accessories are sitting in the garage with panniers, frame bags, hammocks, bags, you name it.. Just need a bike to put it on so I don't have to take the 29er!

    Cmon customs!
    I've got a 6 hour adventure race planned for Feb 8th so I'm patiently waiting for the bike to arrive. I'll be happy as long as I get it before the 8th but the sooner I get it the better. I would like to give it a few shake down rides before setting out on a 6 hour race.

    Let me know how you enjoy Pishgah on the Fat Bike. A few of my friends have done the 5 day stage race down there the past 2 years. I'm considering heading down there next September to race it but not on the Minnesota LOL
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    Anybody knows what kind of crank it comes with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg View Post
    Anybody knows what kind of crank it comes with?
    From the website:
    Minnesota 2.0 White Orange - Framed Bikes

    Crankset - Truvativ 28/38T Chain Rings

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    Is that the X.5?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg View Post
    Is that the X.5?
    Nope it appears to be a SRAM Truvativ with a 100mm ISIS Bottom Bracket.

    This is what the SRAM X5 Fatbike Crank with the 100mm GXP Bottom Bracket looks like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kawidan View Post
    Nope it appears to be a SRAM Truvativ with a 100mm ISIS Bottom Bracket.

    This is what the SRAM X5 Fatbike Crank with the 100mm GXP Bottom Bracket looks like.

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    Got it. Can it take a 22/34 104BCD chainrings?
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    I'm assuming they can but we won't know for sure until we get them and we can measure the BCD on the crank.

    I'm not sure how ideal the 38/28T gearing will be in the front so I'm hoping it's 104BCD since I'm playing with the idea of converting it to 1x10 by possibly putting a Single Race Face 30T Narrow Wide Chainring in the front and putting a 10 speed cassette in the rear with a 42T OneUp Component Cog in the rear. I've already got the 10 speed XT Cassette, Shifter and chain so I would need the 10 speed rear derailleur.

    I haven't ordered anything yet since I want to see what type of rear hub comes with the bike. Someone on here had said that the only 170mm rear hub they could find that Quando made was of the screw-on threaded type versus the more common regular splined freehub.
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    The House page is now showing "Backorder Ship on 1/24/14". That is a little sooner than the original 1/30/14 date, but not quite as good as some of the rumors. Either way, I am stoked to get my bike!

    Take care,

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    Looks like the bikes have cleared customs and are on their way to Minnesota. This was just posted on the Framed Bike Facebook Page.


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    Our Minnesota 2.0 and 1.0's are on the move again and headed to St.Paul MN!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kawidan View Post
    Looks like the bikes have cleared customs and are on their way to Minnesota. This was just posted on the Framed Bike Facebook Page.


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    about a minute ago near Minneapolis, MN, United States.

    Our Minnesota 2.0 and 1.0's are on the move again and headed to St.Paul MN!
    Patiently waiting. Originally when they thought they would get them in on the 20th, they told me it's possible to have by the 27th. I'm hoping they get them with 1/24 and I'll have it the 1st or so. Fingers crossed. Need it by the 4th so I'll have time to get 50 miles or so breakin before my trip.

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    Hopefully not another false alarm, but all Minnesota 2.0 are showing as in-stock with a shipping status of Ship within 24 hours. When we had the false alarm In Stock on Tuesday, the status said ships immediately. So hopefully this is a good sign. I also noticed that the White/Orange 16" is once again available to order for anybody who missed out on one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kawidan View Post
    Hopefully not another false alarm, but all Minnesota 2.0 are showing as in-stock with a shipping status of Ship within 24 hours. When we had the false alarm In Stock on Tuesday, the status said ships immediately. So hopefully this is a good sign. I also noticed that the White/Orange 16" is once again available to order for anybody who missed out on one.

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    Just emailed the rep I've been talking with since November. They've been giving me accurate timelines since day 1 in communication. I'll post up what I hear. I've been happy with customer service and their willingness to help.

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    I'm starting to get excited now! 30 years ago I quit bmx, and started smoking cigs. This New Years, I quit cigs, and waiting for my old-man bmx fatbike to arrive. Gonna toss this thing in the rv and ride everywhere from Mt Ranier to Daytona beach. Fun and exploration, disguised as exercise. Wondering, since I've ordered the black/black, would it be considered disrespectful to Framed if I took the stickers off? Not a big deal, just thinking it will look sinister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rondean View Post
    would it be considered disrespectful to Framed if I took the stickers off? Not a big deal, just thinking it will look sinister.
    Depends if they are under a layer of clear coat, at this price point, I doubt they are.

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    Smile

    The first thing I intend on doing is removing the white splash "Framed" logo on the frame and fork. Either it will be peeled off or sanded and painted over flat black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2LO4U2C View Post
    Depends if they are under a layer of clear coat, at this price point, I doubt they are.
    I hope this. I want to peel the stickers off my white one. All the fork stickers, and the splash over the framed wording.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crankdriven View Post
    I hope this. I want to peel the stickers off my white one. All the fork stickers, and the splash over the framed wording.

    No news from Customer Service crankdriven?
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    Why would they care?
    Personally I like to debadge all my bikes. I think it just looks alot better and cleaner.

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    Hope they are actually in this time, still no tracking # yet.

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    Just told the bikes are in but 29er wheels are not so bikes will not ship until wheels come in. Working on a plan B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetiski View Post
    Just told the bikes are in but 29er wheels are not so bikes will not ship until wheels come in. Working on a plan B.
    Are you working on a plan B or are they working on a plan B?
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    Both, but it will not happen. Now they say maybe next wed, this sucks !!

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    I was just browsing Ebay and there's 2.0s listed from DJ Boardshop for$849.95 showing delivery on or before next Wednesday. So it looks like that free wheelset ends up costing $90 bucks including shipping...

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    WOW, that blows. What is even worse is that $90 wheelset is the phony reason they will not ship. Also makes sense why they take the $$$ up front before shipping. Never have seen that before, always get charged the day it gets shipped.

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    Hi guys first time posting, I ordered about a month ago and have been following this post for weeks, was just on the House site and now it seems they are back ordered till 4-1-14!!!!
    I think Bikes Direct will have theirs first! Reason I ordered was the 2 wheel sets but by waiting for this bike the winter will be long gone!!!!
    Might have to cancel!

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    Can the order be cancelled ?

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    I'm in the same boat. It was a toss up between the Minnesota 2.0 and the BikesDirect Fantom models. The concerns with the Minnesota were the hubs, BB5 brakes, BB, and crank but I was willing to overlook it for the free wheelset and better tires. However now the price difference on eBay without the wheels seriously dilutes the value of the wheelset (for $90 its still not bad). With the shipping delay because of the free wheelset this looks like a cancel for me. I'll either buy it from eBay without the extra wheelset or go with BikesDirect.

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    I'd say to save face The house should ship the bikes now then the wheel set later!

    I emailed the seller on ebay, I want to know if they physically have they bike or if it ships from somewhere else,

    they have the same shipping map as the House!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetiski View Post
    Can the order be cancelled ?
    I called customer support and canceled. No questions asked.

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    Only the white/orange and black/white are showing backordered. The silver/red and black/black are showing in stock. I imagine that the backorder bikes listed are already sold out and the next shipment is due in April.

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    The White/Orange in 18" still shows as in stock. I'm tempted but have not much snow at the moment and getting yet another bike would lead to marital stress so I'm watching this one from the sidelines for now.

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    On the white/orange, the 20" has been sold out for awhile. If you go to the webpage for the White/Orange and select the 16" or 18", they show as in stock. If you select the 20", it says Backordered until 04/01/2014. This is probably when they expect their next delivery of 20".

    When we originally ordered the bikes, they said that they would be backordered until Jan 30th. If the wheels show up next Wednesday, we will be right on target for the original estimated shipping date.

    It would of been nice to get them a bit early but they are still on schedule to what they originally stated would be the original ship date.
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    Ordered a black & white one earlier this week. Customer service just e-mailed me to tell me that it's supposed to ship early next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg View Post
    Ordered a black & white one earlier this week. Customer service just e-mailed me to tell me that it's supposed to ship early next week.
    Just talked to Customer Service and they said the same.

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    Thanks for the update guys.
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    At least this stops me from going down the road to pick up an X9 Beargrease...."mo money in the pocket".

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    Quote Originally Posted by truitnow View Post
    just talked to customer service and they said the same.
    x3...

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    It seems that everyone who ordered a Minnesota 2.0, Motobecane Fantom FB4 Pro and Elite, and the Nashbar Fatbike are all patiently waiting for their bikes to show up.

    As long as the others don't start showing up in the next few days, I'm going to stay calm and wait for my Minnesota to come in.
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    When I ordered mine a few weeks ago, the man said that they would come in around Feb 1st, Ship by Feb 5th. As far as I am concerned we are ahead of schedule, and if I get it earlier thats great, but if it is feb 1-5, thats what I had been expecting!

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    I was looking at Fat's, how much to these bikes weight with mid range components?
    Can't find any info on the www.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durielk View Post
    I was looking at Fat's, how much to these bikes weight with mid range components?
    Can't find any info on the www.
    According to the GearJunkie review, the 2.0 weight 34lbs 14 ounces. Here was the quote

    "It weighed 34 pounds, 14 ounces on our scale covered in dirt and slush from the trail."

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    Quote Originally Posted by durielk View Post
    I was looking at Fat's, how much to these bikes weight with mid range components?
    Can't find any info on the www.
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    Thks, I guess I was on another www site.

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    The bikes have been in for a week now and they are holding them because of the extra wheel set not coming in. That is why they are selling them on E bay without the 29er wheels. Go to E bay and put in Framed fat bike 2.0 they sold a bunch already and only have a few left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiebrett View Post
    Honestly, I'd keep the black/white. I've read black rims like to collect snow on the trails. They warm in the sun then freeze again when snow hits them.
    No they don't. That is a complete falsehood.

    Trust me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancake Adventure View Post
    No they don't. That is a complete falsehood.

    Trust me.
    Apparently my thoughts + $1 will buy you a cup of coffee. Lol

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    I cancelled my order last night. Too much shenanigans... Plus my card was never charged. I already have a 29r so the wheels were not a factor for me. I was going to order the Ebay version but waiting to here when it would ship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetiski View Post
    The bikes have been in for a week now and they are holding them because of the extra wheel set not coming in. That is why they are selling them on E bay without the 29er wheels. Go to E bay and put in Framed fat bike 2.0 they sold a bunch already and only have a few left.
    They must think that the wheels will be in shortly behind it, otherwise, I think it would be more important to deliver to deadlines and pay the extra shipping for wheels, than to hold back on the bikes with the wheels people need.

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    I'm surprised how worked up people get over a few days, kinda a small detail for something that you will own for a couple years and scheduling any event based on a web order will always be risky. From a dealers point of view, delivering early and keeping the excitement up is good, but it might be best to keep quiet about shipping early until you have solid information and can send out tracking numbers.

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    I would rather see the bike sooner, last week and get the wheels later or not at all and save the $90 at their E bay price with free shipping. The extra wheel set seemed kind of shady anyways. If I was out to buy a 29er wheel set that one would not even be in my top 10 list of wheels to buy.

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    I see the extra wheels as a pair of hubs to build up a set of Surly wheels on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2LO4U2C View Post
    I'm surprised how worked up people get over a few days, kinda a small detail for something that you will own for a couple years and scheduling any event based on a web order will always be risky. From a dealers point of view, delivering early and keeping the excitement up is good, but it might be best to keep quiet about shipping early until you have solid information and can send out tracking numbers.
    I'm not sure the term "worked up" is used correctly. Most of the stuff I'm seeing is people who have events already scheduled(not around fatbike specifics) and would love to use their new bike if possible. I have a Marin hardtail 29r that I'll take if it doesn't work out. Fat bikes have that fun, special feel...so it's only natural that people want to use them. No one is upset with Framed, at least I'm not.

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    As has been posted by several others, it looks like the 2.0 are shipping on Monday.

    The latest update from Framed Bike's Facebook Page as of 5 minutes ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetiski View Post
    I would rather see the bike sooner, last week and get the wheels later or not at all and save the $90 at their E bay price with free shipping. The extra wheel set seemed kind of shady anyways. If I was out to buy a 29er wheel set that one would not even be in my top 10 list of wheels to buy.
    +1

    My only gripe, and its a small one, is the added cost for the cheap wheelset. They should have offered an option to buy the bike without the extra wheels and add the wheels for $90, rather than try to pawn them off as free. This wouldn't have mattered if they hadn't decided to sell it on eBay for $90 less without the extra wheels, but the cat is out the bag now.

    I'm sure many would have preferred to pocket the $90 and get their bike earlier.

    Ohh well. Either way, its a good buy.



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    I see the extra wheels as a pair of hubs to build up a set of Surly wheels on.
    The quando hubs are probably my least favorite thing on the Minnesota 2.0. The last quando hubs I had were really, really bad. Granted they were a different size. I hope the ones on the Framed bikes are better. *fingers crossed*

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    I agree I never owned a bike with Quando Hubs but from what I've read the reviews haven't been favorable.

    But I'm not going to knock them until I try them. The good thing is that we have a spare 170 hub that can be cannibalized from the 29er wheelset if needed but I see a Hope Pro 2 Evo 170mm Fatsnow Hub in my near future

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    Quote Originally Posted by LosPollos View Post
    +1

    My only gripe, and its a small one, is the added cost for the cheap wheelset. They should have offered an option to buy the bike without the extra wheels and add the wheels for $90, rather than try to pawn them off as free. This wouldn't have mattered if they hadn't decided to sell it on eBay for $90 less without the extra wheels, but the cat is out the bag now.

    I'm sure many would have preferred to pocket the $90 and get their bike earlier.

    Ohh well. Either way, its a good buy.



    The quando hubs are probably my least favorite thing on the Minnesota 2.0. The last quando hubs I had were really, really bad. Granted they were a different size. I hope the ones on the Framed bikes are better. *fingers crossed*
    This was the primary reason I didnt order this bike. They could advertise free all they want but I had a feeling there was a cost associated with it. For someone looking for multi purposing a bike this is great but I didnt need another 29er hardtail and counting on selling the extra wheelset to offset cost never works out. I wish they would have offered a 29+ wheeelset as an option, even at additional cost I would have been all over it.

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    Hey All,

    I just hung up with The House Customer service. They wanted to verify my credit card info (billing address different than shipping address). She said they would be shipping mine Monday and it should arrive Thursday! She was real cool and nice. Even though I was hoping it would arrive earlier, it is still shipping earlier than I was told when I ordered, so all is good.

    Kawidan, thanks for all your efforts and posts about these bikes. I appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mncyclist View Post
    Okay,

    I just got back from a test ride at the House on the 2.0. I've been a bit skeptic up to this point but the bike rides really well. The shorter geo made the bike more playful than any other fat bike I've ridden. I agree with the gearjunkie review that it's probably not an ideal endurance bike but that's not what I'm looking for. I was also surprised that even the 20" fully built weighed in under 35lbs.

    Tires - I've been discussing 'Fat Tires' for a while with friends and exchanging emails with info@framedbikes.com. This newer 120tpi Mission tire has been getting some good reviews. The only negative I could find is that I may want a slightly knobbier tire in winter for deep snow at times. That said, is was ridding around in mush on the streets and a couple inches of fresh snow (in yards) and they seemed to hold really well. The higher the TPI the softer/more supple the rubber stays in cold weather. I plan to ride this bike 365 with the 4" tires and I'm most excited about spring/summer/fall riding...and that's where I feel that the Nate's will be too knobby. So ideally I would have two sets of tires but that gets expensive. I looked at the 29er semi slick wheel set too and it looked pretty good. I did not get a chance to ride them though due to time and conditions. But it comes with rotors and cassette which I didn't realize...that will make the switch pretty slick.

    Size - I'm 5'11" and the 18" was my size.

    I ended up buying the 18" Silver with anodized rim/hubs. Now I just have to wait!
    mncyclist,

    Glad to hear someone actually got to test ride one of these. I realize they wanted to make this a maneuverable ride, but that top tube length looks ridiculously short. I want to pull the trigger on one but am torn between an 18" and 20", but even the TT length of the 20" is shorter than most. Does anyone else have any first hand experience with the fit?? 5'11" w/ 33" inseam here

    Thanks!

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    Glad to report that someone local got their bike today so they do exist LOL

    This was just posted on the Framed Minnesota Fatbikes Facebook Group

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    Quote Originally Posted by WiscoHyz View Post
    mncyclist,

    Glad to hear someone actually got to test ride one of these. I realize they wanted to make this a maneuverable ride, but that top tube length looks ridiculously short. I want to pull the trigger on one but am torn between an 18" and 20", but even the TT length of the 20" is shorter than most. Does anyone else have any first hand experience with the fit?? 5'11" w/ 33" inseam here

    Thanks!
    I am 6'1" with a 33" inseam and ordered the 20" after test riding both the 18 & 20. I really couldn't tell much of a difference between them however I only road each bike for about 10 minutes in the parking lot. I'd suggest calling them and asking for the bike shop. The House is also a LBS and are very helpful.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mn_biker View Post
    I am 6'1" with a 33" inseam and ordered the 20" after test riding both the 18 & 20. I really couldn't tell much of a difference between them however I only road each bike for about 10 minutes in the parking lot. I'd suggest calling them and asking for the bike shop. The House is also a LBS and are very helpful.


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    Thanks for the info mn_biker. Looking at the geometry, there doesn't seem to be that much difference between the 18 and 20. They both seem to be on the "cramped" side. Did you get this feeling riding it? What are your other bike sizes, if you don't mind me asking. I don't know that I want to wait until april to get the 20 when the 18 is in stock. Guess I will call and talk to the bike shop. Thanks again.

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    Couple pics of the real thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WiscoHyz View Post
    Thanks for the info mn_biker. Looking at the geometry, there doesn't seem to be that much difference between the 18 and 20. They both seem to be on the "cramped" side. Did you get this feeling riding it? What are your other bike sizes, if you don't mind me asking. I don't know that I want to wait until april to get the 20 when the 18 is in stock. Guess I will call and talk to the bike shop. Thanks again.
    Cockpit did not feel cramped on either. Ride just felt much more fun and nimble like a sports car, where the Pugs I demoed earlier in the day felt like a station wagon from the 80's in comparison.

    I own a large Trek and every bike I have ever demo'd was a size large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kawidan View Post
    Couple pics of the real thing.

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    Looks pretty good. My plan is to replace the rear derailleur and the crank rings right away with my spare parts. Should be a hoot. Let's see how fast they ship.
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    For those wondering, the decals appear to be under the clear coat. I know some people were wondering that.
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    Did you pick yours up?

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    Nope mine has to ship but 2 guys on the Facebook Group picked theirs up today. One guys just posted a mini-review and it sounds promising. Here's what he had to say.

    Just got back from my first ride. About and hour, 7 miles, on snow packed city roads. I do have one complaint. I'm cold, but that's about it. From a road biker looking for some winter fun and fitness I would have to agree with the write up on GearJunkie. You are definitely over the bar and it has a lively, fun feel. At 6'3" on the 20in by the end of the ride I felt like I wanted just about an inch more of reach, (maybe used to road bike?) but I'm sure I can tweak the setup a bit to achieve that. Probably just slide the saddle back?) The best compliment I could give it was after riding it a few blocks I stopped thinking about the bike and was just having fun being outside in the winter. When I got home, I was cold, but couldn't put it away right away, had two do a few extra laps in the alley.
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    Sounds good. Wow those wine rims and hubs look nice. The House pics on the site really give no justice to that grey red combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truitnow View Post
    Sounds good. Wow those wine rims and hubs look nice. The House pics on the site really give no justice to that grey red combo.
    Yup I'm also really digging the Silver/Red combo. Those anodized rims look some nice. I have the White/Orange ordered but if I order a second one for the GF, it will definitely be a Silver/Red.
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    I doubt if the hubs are orange on the White/Orange 2.0
    That wine hub opposite the rims is eyecatching.

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    You are correct, the White/Orange hubs are black.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plaindave View Post
    Does anybody know if the rear hub is a new style cassette freehub or the old style screw on freewheel? The Quando website only shows one 170mm hub and it's a screw on style. I haven't seen that used in over 20 years. Not sure id want one.
    I don't see the fatbike hubs on the Quando website. It looks like the 170 on the freewheel hub is describing the total axle length as a bolt-on. The frame width looks like it's 114mm. Didn't see a 135 front or 170 rear, website may be behind on product. Also, spec sheet says SRAM 9 spd, and I don' believe they make a 9spd freewheel.

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    Minnesota 2.0 maiden voyage

    Picked up my new ride today. The silver/red looks sharp, it felt comfortable to ride, handle great. Here she is on her first ride in the Minnesota tundra
    The 29'er wheelset will be arriving by middle of the week.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophion13 View Post
    Picked up my new ride today. The silver/red looks sharp, it felt comfortable to ride, handle great. Here she is on her first ride in the Minnesota tundra
    The 29'er wheelset will be arriving by middle of the week.


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    Congrats on the bike Ophion13

    That Silver/Red Combo is really starting to grow on me.
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    Not sure if I missed it in a previous post, but since you have the bike now, can you confirm if the rear hub is a screw on freewheel or freehub w/cassette? Hoping to have mine by the weekend.

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    Awesome! Glad to start seeing these pop up. I called in requesting a status for shipping out of curiosity. The rep was extremely nice and told me I would likely have my bike by the 1st of February. I asked about the second set of wheel rumors, and he indicated they had arrived behind, but made it sound like the time crunch was building up the preorder bikes. I'm assuming they would ship out bikes in the order of preorders recieved. Mine was back in November, so I'm guessing I should be up soon. I'm pretending that it wont be here for another two weeks, just so I won't get excited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBLoCo29 View Post
    Not sure if I missed it in a previous post, but since you have the bike now, can you confirm if the rear hub is a screw on freewheel or freehub w/cassette? Hoping to have mine by the weekend.
    Here is a picture of the cassette that was posted on the Facebook group. It appears to have a lock ring on the cassette so it appears to be a regular freehub with cassette.The Minnesota 1.0 and 2.0 Fatbikes-558301_10152588005773662_802182689_n.jpg
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    It says SRAM 9 speed on the specs, I don't think I have ever seen a SRAM 9 speed freewheel, so I think it has to be a cassette. Mine should be built in the next day or 2, when I pick them up I'll confirm if no one else has already done so.

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    Thanks, just saw that too. Definitely looks like a freehub/cassette .

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    I ordered my 18" white/orange yesterday and they said it would be ready for PU by Friday. They are completely sold out of ALL 20" frame size. I'm 6'1" with a 32 inch inseam and the 18" felt just fine. I test drove the 20" and it didn't seem that different. I think the sales guy said they still have 156 of the 18" left. Can't wait to take it out. -17 and -35 windchill today in MN so i wouldn't ride anyway.

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    Called customer service today. They're starting to ship this afternoon through Wed. My guess is that I won't have it by the time I go to the mountains this w-e, being in CA. The closer to MN, obviously, the faster you'll get it.

    On a separate note, their CS reps are really cool.
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    Glad to report that the tires are Tubeless Ready. This is going to be one of my first mod.

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    A nice Black one with Blue Surly Strips and Surly Nate tires.

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    Trying to be patient, but couldn't resist calling the bike shop. FYI for locals waiting to pick theirs up... they are building them in order that people bought them. I put in my order on 12/26 and his rough guess was end of the week, but no later than mid next week. The demand for these bikes has been strong.


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    Has anyone received an email saying their bike has been shipped? If yes, when did you place your order?

    Patiently waiting....

    Take care,

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