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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    Mine also arrived. Freshly mounted, at 25psi on a Nextie Black Eagle 65mm external rim, I get 747mm diameter, 90mm carcass and 85mm knob width. The bead to bead I didn't measure, but it was a few more mm than a used hodag.
    Thanks for the measurements. Any chance you can measure them at riding pressures, more like 6 PSI? From all the measurements, doesn't seem to be much bigger than the Hodag, if at all. Looks like I'll be saving my money...

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    it lost 1.5-2mm at <10psi riding pressure. i'll measure again in a few days, but the sidewall construction is a lot beefier than the hodag so i doubt it will stretch. Generally, it feels similar to the hodag - lots of traction, perhaps a better edge, but i've only ridden hodags on 52mm external rims so it is rounder. The minion coped with frosty roots that have been wet for weeks well and in general was excellent for 2.5 hrs today, but it is early days. it is noticeably heavier than the hodag - 200g or so - and the sidewall being beefier resisted rim strike more than the hodag, again, on a narrower rim which might have some effect.

    I like it. not sure i like it much more than the hodag. time will tell...and in general, you can consider this tyre pretty much the same size as a hodag...its within the odd mm or two...


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    First ride today, left feeling a bit disappointed to be honest. A good point is the casing, really top quality, protective and supportive while staying stable at single digit psi even on thin 45mm ID rims. Just my two pennies worth but apart from that though they didn't really do it for me in terms of being an aggressive B fat tyre. I kind of knew as soon as I saw it in the flesh that the knobs were too small, and that the casing rather than the knobs would dominate the feel. I'm not a fan of bulbous fat tyres with small treads and the Vanhelga and Bud are my favourite 26" tyres, and Dirt Wizards in plus formats. For some reason, probably because of the reputation of the Minion, I though it was going to feel at least towards these with an aggressive edge and knobs you can feel digging in, but at least on these rims, it felt vague and rounded and not at all confidence inspiring. It did deal with foul British muddy rooty singletrack very well though, maybe it's just a visual or psychological thing with the small knobs, who knows. Anyway, Dirt Wizards back on the front tomorrow for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim.johnston View Post
    and weight, 1476g.Attachment 1106469
    And that's me out... I just swapped my Hodags back to plus until there is snow on the ground because it's not worth the extra weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
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    it lost 1.5-2mm at <10psi riding pressure. i'll measure again in a few days, but the sidewall construction is a lot beefier than the hodag so i doubt it will stretch. Generally, it feels similar to the hodag - lots of traction, perhaps a better edge, but i've only ridden hodags on 52mm external rims so it is rounder. The minion coped with frosty roots that have been wet for weeks well and in general was excellent for 2.5 hrs today, but it is early days. it is noticeably heavier than the hodag - 200g or so - and the sidewall being beefier resisted rim strike more than the hodag, again, on a narrower rim which might have some effect.

    I like it. not sure i like it much more than the hodag. time will tell...and in general, you can consider this tyre pretty much the same size as a hodag...its within the odd mm or two...

    Thanks for all the info on these, confirms I will not be buying them. I'm generally easy on tires, and the Hodag sidewalls are plenty beefy for me.

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    Hello Tim,

    You are running 3.8 on a B+? I too have B+ that came with Maxxis Chronicles and I find myself washing out constantly. I wanted something more aggressive and up until now I see there is a Duro Crux that is unobtainable and a Surly Dirt Wizard 27.5x3 that seems very aggressive. I like the supple feel of the Chronicles though. I am looking for as much volume as possible to stuff into my B+ frame now that snow is flying in Central NY.

    I think I could get ~83mm into the rear of my Loki. I have 40 mm rims. I true fat bike is in my future. I'll ride as long as I can into the snowy season with my B+. I saw the thread title and was hoping I could get a hodag on 40mm well under 3.5 at the knobs but that doesn't appear to be feasible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by on58960 View Post
    Hello Tim,

    You are running 3.8 on a B+? I too have B+ that came with Maxxis Chronicles and I find myself washing out constantly. I wanted something more aggressive and up until now I see there is a Duro Crux that is unobtainable and a Surly Dirt Wizard 27.5x3 that seems very aggressive. I like the supple feel of the Chronicles though. I am looking for as much volume as possible to stuff into my B+ frame now that snow is flying in Central NY.

    I think I could get ~83mm into the rear of my Loki. I have 40 mm rims. I true fat bike is in my future. I'll ride as long as I can into the snowy season with my B+. I saw the thread title and was hoping I could get a hodag on 40mm well under 3.5 at the knobs but that doesn't appear to be feasible.
    I have the Crux also and it's big, that would be your best bet for volume. I could not fit it in the rear of my B+. It's tall as well, big tyre. You can get them from a unicycle company in Italy ( at least you could a month ago ). The sidewalls seemed really thin though if you ride rocky terrain. For me the best fit and forget B+ tyre is the Dirt Wizard. Anyway, plenty of this sort of info on the Plus forum...

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    A bit more time on this tyre now. It hasn't stretched in any meaningful way. I have ridden it down to 4psi, where it doesn't squirm much, but there is a lot of drag and counter steer. 6psi up and it's grand.

    It seems to have more rolling resistance than the hodag. It is noticeably heavier.

    It doesn't flinch when you ride it at speed into piles of rocks and roots. This is akin to the heavier casing 29er versions. I would bottom out my hodag in the same scenario.

    Grip is very similar to the hodag - i find it a little less likely to slip on our brand of de=barked roots and fallen tree stuff.

    Overall: it's good to have the option. In general, I think the hodag is better. The hodag rides like a plus tyre rather than a full fat - fast and responsive and the weight is easily manageable. With the minions girth, it behaves a little more like a full fat tyre for some reason.

    Snow might be interesting...as it runs a lower pressure with less issues thanks to the more robust casing (mine are the 120tpi TR ones).

    Ok for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    My experience is exactly the *opposite*.
    I can't comment on the 27.5 x 3.8 Minion yet, but the Hodag has amazing grip on wet New England rocks. One of the last rides I did on my Nate Mulefut combo was on a very rocky technical trail that was wet from previous nights rain. The grip was so bad I bailed half way trough the ride. I rode the same trails a few weeks later in the same conditions, and the Hodags were amazing. It was a NEMBA ride day with 300+ other riders. I was in a group of about 8 other fatbikes. I was one of the only ones who didn't wreck on slippery rocks. I slid off a slick wood bridge. Short of studs nothing would have helped there.
    On the flip side, my 2.35 Minions on my 29er have been solid in all conditions around here.

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    Any chance of Gnarwhal on 50mm rim fitting the Fox 34 Boost Plus fork? Hoping it's possible since that fork will accommodate a Flowbeist 4.6 on Marge Lite... I realize a 80mm rim would be more appropriate but hey a Bud does ok on Marge Lite front...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCT View Post
    Any chance of Gnarwhal on 50mm rim fitting the Fox 34 Boost Plus fork? Hoping it's possible since that fork will accommodate a Flowbeist 4.6 on Marge Lite... I realize a 80mm rim would be more appropriate but hey a Bud does ok on Marge Lite front...
    Haven't tried it, but I'd give it a ~5% chance, at best. It's a big tire. And I think you'd need much more than ideal pressure to keep it from squirming on a 50. Try it and let us know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    The Hodags are pretty close to DH tires, or at least as close as you'll get right now. And they're not stupid heavy. If you run them on ~50mm rims the sidewalls are nicely protected by the knobs and I like the profile.

    Can you kill them? Yes. You can kill anything. But they are a very, very capable tire if you're waiting on the Minion.

    And for once, and probably the only time ever, I have more experience with a tire on snow than Mike! I rode 27.5 Hodags (on a 5" travel FS bike) in the snow all season last year (but keep in mind I mostly ski in the winter, so that was only ~100 miles total). IMO they are underwhelming snow tires at best. If you just want one tire to do it all, I might give them the nod, but really the Hodags are better on dirt. They are really the smallest "fatbike" tire that exists (even narrower than the Nates) and if you want to ride lots of snow, I'd do the Barbis (if you want 27.5) or any number of 4.5+" 26er tires instead.

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    Hi Walt, what do you think that would be better for a non suspension-do it all-trail bike, 29+ or 27.5x3.8? Thanks in advance. Merry xmas!!

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    A small update for studded Minions:



    Put about 200 studs per tyre, should have done this a bit earlier. Every now and then temps rise up to + celcius and trails are covered by ice and next to impossible to ride safely. I've ridden about 1000 miles this winter without the studs and it is just ok as long as the ground has something to grip on. Now after studding these the grip is excellent on ice - Hodags & winter is totally out of the question now. These are simply just excellent for the winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebster View Post
    A small update for studded Minions:



    Put about 200 studs per tyre, should have done this a bit earlier. Every now and then temps rise up to + celcius and trails are covered by ice and next to impossible to ride safely. I've ridden about 1000 miles this winter without the studs and it is just ok as long as the ground has something to grip on. Now after studding these the grip is excellent on ice - Hodags & winter is totally out of the question now. These are simply just excellent for the winter.
    Two questions:

    Can you help me get a Minion 3.8 DHR?
    Are you running it backwards on purpose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Two questions:

    Can you help me get a Minion 3.8 DHR?
    Are you running it backwards on purpose?
    I sent a query to the shop asking for DHR and they told that it is not available, sorry.

    Rear is intentionally installed backwards - before studding them I just thought that installing it backwards would get me more grip....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Two questions:

    Can you help me get a Minion 3.8 DHR?
    Are you running it backwards on purpose?
    Umm, that's a FBF not a FBR.
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    Google search for FBR:

    Maxxis Minion FBR 27.5x3.8inch 650B EXO TR Folding MTB Tyre

    So, there seems to be a shop in Australia that has the FBR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Umm, that's a FBF not a FBR.
    Oh yeah, now I see what you're saying..

    Yeah, I meant FBR, ... just too many frigging names. I want the 27.5 x 3.8 rear minion.

    Thanks for the Aussie find, I just ordered one, $114USD delivered.

    Might take a while, so now for some wheel building

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    Hot off the boat, direct from the land down under, weighing in at 1272gms, the one, the only (in the USA). I'll admit, the weight difference is suprising.

    Minion 27.5 x 3.8 available yet?-2017-02-07-18.35.52.jpgMinion 27.5 x 3.8 available yet?-2017-02-07-19.11.48.jpgMinion 27.5 x 3.8 available yet?-2017-02-07-19.12.07.jpg

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    do you get a sense of whether that is sidewall or knob? hairy eyeball would suggest 200g difference in knobs would be pushing it a bit, but i cant imagine the carcass being too different either....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Hot off the boat, direct from the land down under, weighing in at 1272gms, the one, the only (in the USA).
    Actually they are available now in the US - https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...&category=5792
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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    do you get a sense of whether that is sidewall or knob? hairy eyeball would suggest 200g difference in knobs would be pushing it a bit, but i cant imagine the carcass being too different either....
    Knobs, casing feels the same, can't imagine they have two different 120tpi casings. The FBF has more rubber.

    I'm happy to have a lighter tire in back with my heavy hub

    It figures the FBR would show up in the States at the same time as my tire arrived from overseas....

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    Got a complete set, just need a little dirt

    Tight fit on Sunringle Duroc 50s, Onyx Racing hubs, 93mm at 25psi:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Got a complete set, just need a little dirt

    Tight fit on Sunringle Duroc 50s, Onyx Racing hubs, 93mm at 25psi:

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    Looks nice, but what's the width at riding pressure, like below 10psi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    Looks nice, but what's the width at riding pressure, like below 10psi?
    Don't know, ain't rode em yet; they're just for show

    I'll run lowish, but I didn't build these for snow, they're for rock crawling and tech.

    I'm going to the west side this coming weekend, I'll have more to report then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    Looks nice, but what's the width at riding pressure, like below 10psi?
    I have FBF's and the casing measures about 87mm, 93mm at the knobs on Scraper i45's. They are at about 12 psi.
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    Compared to the 26 x 4 Minion on a 70mm rim. Sorry, not sure why pics are coming in sideways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    Looks nice, but what's the width at riding pressure, like below 10psi?
    90-91mm at 10psi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Moto View Post
    Compared to the 26 x 4 Minion on a 70mm rim. Sorry, not sure why pics are coming in sideways.
    What width rim is the 26" FBF on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    90-91mm at 10psi.
    Thanks for that. That's knob width I'm assuming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    What width rim is the 26" FBF on?
    The 26" is on a Whisky 70mm rim. It fits in the Fox fork with room to spare. Previously, I had a Vanhelga on it which was wider than the Minion with little room to spare. It worked without issue but probably the max I would go on the Fox.

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    Thanks for the comparison pic and answer. Must have still been asleep when I asked as I clearly see the rim width in that post now, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    Thanks for that. That's knob width I'm assuming?
    Yup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebster View Post
    A small update for studded Minions:



    Put about 200 studs per tyre, should have done this a bit earlier. Every now and then temps rise up to + celcius and trails are covered by ice and next to impossible to ride safely. I've ridden about 1000 miles this winter without the studs and it is just ok as long as the ground has something to grip on. Now after studding these the grip is excellent on ice - Hodags & winter is totally out of the question now. These are simply just excellent for the winter.
    What did you use to stud the Minions? I bought grip studs but couldn't get the things to bite into the tires.

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    Had a few rides with the 3.8 Minions on snow, running pressures from 6-8psi, no problems with grip, very stable, fast rolling. Not great for soft conditions, but very nice gor firm groomed.

    Had a long ride on mixed surfaces, packed and unpacked snow, muck, mud, water, grass, some firm soil, and some rugged basalt. Tire pressures ranged from 6-10psi. These tires are excellent for mixed use, shoulder season, very stable, worked well in all conditions, but they were especially good on rock.

    I like the added height of 27.5 x 3.8 over the 26 x 4, I don't lose pedal clearance coming from 26 x 5, heights are nearly identical.

    I also have 29 x 3 Minions waiting for drier conditions, unfortunately they are significantly taller thsn my other wheelsets.

    To bad they dont make a 28 x 3"

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    These tires are difficult to set up tubeless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
    These tires are difficult to set up tubeless!
    No problems with mine, set up tight with a compressor, added sealant, fill and play, no issues, one of the better TLs I've done.

    What rims and tape are you running?

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    Mulefut 50, they came taped from the factory.

    The first set I had, setup easy but leaked through the side wall and did not hold air overnight.
    The second set was not so easy to set up, had to use a tube first to set the bead, but this only worked for one tire, the second tire just wont pump up no mater what method I use, so I have to keep a tube in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
    Mulefut 50, they came taped from the factory.

    The first set I had, setup easy but leaked through the side wall and did not hold air overnight.
    The second set was not so easy to set up, had to use a tube first to set the bead, but this only worked for one tire, the second tire just wont pump up no mater what method I use, so I have to keep a tube in it.
    You need a compressor, $100 or less, nice tool. It's rare that I can get a tire to go tubeless with a floor pump, esp tires with stiff sidewalls.

    Of all the tires I've set up tubeless, the Minions have been the best (same can said of all Maxxis tires), no leaks, hold air, spin true.

    You might be able to get it with patience, run the tire with a tube for a bit, then pull it, clean it, get it warm, then try again.

    Pulling a tube complicates matters because you're breaking the bead. Try a cam strap, use soapy water.

    Get a small compressor or go to a shop and borrow one. Be sure to pull the valve core first.

    It's not the tire, just saying

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    When I picked up the tires one looked nice and formed, the other kinda deformed and lopped sided.
    The lopped sided one is the one causing isues and has a little run-out when spun. I checked the rim with a zip-tie on each side of the frame and it seems true.

    I was thinking the same thing, ride it for a few days and then try tubeless again.
    I keep the bike inside so tires are warm.

    P.S. I did try the cam strap and hot soapy water with no luck, also no luck with the compressor, figured it was just too warped and needed a tube to straiten it out hopefully.

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    Could be bad from the mold, get those once in a while, even with car tires. Exchange it and try again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    You need a compressor, $100 or less, nice tool. It's rare that I can get a tire to go tubeless with a floor pump, esp tires with stiff sidewalls.
    all of my WTB & Specialized 27.5+ tires (Bridger, Ranger and Ground Control) and the Bontrager Hodag 27.5x3.8 tires I have will seat with a cheap, all plastic Avenir floor pump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    all of my WTB & Specialized 27.5+ tires (Bridger, Ranger and Ground Control) and the Bontrager Hodag 27.5x3.8 tires I have will seat with a cheap, all plastic Avenir floor pump.
    I hear ya, before I had a compressor, I did all mine with a floor pump, it requires more finesse, but most of the time it can be done. Now I have a compressor, it's way faster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    all of my WTB & Specialized 27.5+ tires (Bridger, Ranger and Ground Control) and the Bontrager Hodag 27.5x3.8 tires I have will seat with a cheap, all plastic Avenir floor pump.

    This. If tires won't seat with a floor pump, I don't trust 'em. And I'll do what I can to find out if it's the rim or the tire that's causing the problem.

    P.S. My Minions did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    This. If tires won't seat with a floor pump, I don't trust 'em. And I'll do what I can to find out if it's the rim or the tire that's causing the problem.

    P.S. My Minions did.
    In theory I agree, it's certainly easier for the average person installing at home.

    That said, I think tubeless bike tires are moving into the auto/motorcycle realm because we are asking more of our tores, better seals and more reliability.

    Expecting a tire to stay seated on a rim, esp at low pressues, while exerting substantial pressure against the sidewalls, and requiring it to be easy to install and easy to remove... that may be asking a lot.

    I'd prefer to have tires that are hard to get seated, but will stay seated when they go flat. It may mean more work for the mechanic, but it also means less walking for the rider.

    On the trail, I'd rather use sealant and a plug kit to fix a leak than have to put in a tube or try to reseat a tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    that may be asking a lot.

    Why? Manufacturing tolerances exist for exactly this reason -- it's just that we the consumer have been lax at insisting the industry stick to them.



    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I'd prefer to have tires that are hard to get seated, but will stay seated when they go flat.

    If a tire requires a compressor to seat, that indicates that the bead interface is too loose, and that it won't stay seated when flat -- or even low.




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    On the trail, I'd rather use sealant and a plug kit to fix a leak than have to put in a tube or try to reseat a tire.

    Yep, agreed.

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    So I swapped wheels from the 27.5 x 3.8 Minions to the 29+ Minions, took a long ride, flow, techy, firm dirt, bunch of rock, some mud and snow, by the end of the day I was missing the 27.5

    Mike is onto something, the combination of wheel height and tire width are just right. This size needs to become the standard, there's no need for 26 x 4.

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    I agree that 26x4 could just go away now. Although for max float, I guess 26x5 or bigger is still way to go. I'm on 27.5x4.5 now on my fatbike and think it's great.

    As far as tubeless, I've fount the Bontrager Barbegazzi mounted to Bontrager Jackalop rims to be awesome. Mounted and inflated easily with a floor pump, and I've run them all winter with no sealant, with barely any pressure drop. I wouldn't do that in the summer months, but for snow riding it's great to not worry about sealant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    I agree that 26x4 could just go away now. Although for max float, I guess 26x5 or bigger is still way to go. I'm on 27.5x4.5 now on my fatbike and think it's great.

    As far as tubeless, I've fount the Bontrager Barbegazzi mounted to Bontrager Jackalop rims to be awesome. Mounted and inflated easily with a floor pump, and I've run them all winter with no sealant, with barely any pressure drop. I wouldn't do that in the summer months, but for snow riding it's great to not worry about sealant.
    26 x 5 for snow is good, 27.5 x 4 for general riding, diameters are similar, so work well on the same bike.

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    I finally got around to installing mine, and both aired up easily with a floor pump. Both tires needed to be exchanged under warranty. With the beed set all around the tire they both had quite a bit of wobble. I brought it into the shop where I got them, and they had the same result. Maxxis agreed to warranty them. They were ordered by the LBS when they first became available.

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