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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I preferred Bud/Lou to the FBF/FBR on snow. FBF/FBR feel "slipperier", regardless of temperature. Can't say for sure what's causing it, but I suspected the aggressive siping on Bud/Lou made them grip better.
    Thanks Mike! Any comparison to VH's front/rear (that's what I ran last winter)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by classrc View Post
    Thanks Mike! Any comparison to VH's front/rear (that's what I ran last winter)?
    No idea -- I've not used VH's on snow. Too small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    No idea -- I've not used VH's on snow. Too small.
    We have much different snow here in SE Michigan...

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    Quote Originally Posted by classrc View Post
    We have much different snow here in SE Michigan...
    One man's soft snow is another man's sidewalk.

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    I was super impressed that I could mount the big boys up with a floor pump zero issue (mounted them in the wrong direction and did it a second time)

    I'll get to ride them this weekend

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    Just ordered a pair of FBR, but the next day the FBF went on sale as well. Still, they were only $50 each at the time so it was worth it. Nice sale, BTW.
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    I had both the minion FBF and a mammoth on my Salsa bucksaw and hated them. Ironically I run the Maxxis Ardent and Ikon on my 2015 specialized camber expert EVO and luv them. On my bucksaw they had way to much rolling resistance and felt like i was in mud and a ton of traction steer. Now I live in Charlotte NC where it rarely snows. It's possible these tires just are not built for the trails here. I switched to Specialized fast traks which have the 2nd best rating for rolling resistance for fat bike tires. They are much faster rolling and grip like a champ. you can go here and check out rolling resistance for all tires Fat Bike Tires Rolling Resistance Reviews
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    Quote Originally Posted by VladConnery View Post
    I had both the minion FBF and a mammoth on my Salsa bucksaw and hated them. Ironically I run the Maxxis Ardent and Ikon on my 2015 specialized camber expert EVO and luv them. On my bucksaw they had way to much rolling resistance and felt like i was in mud and a ton of traction steer. Now I live in Charlotte NC where it rarely snows. It's possible these tires just are not built for the trails here. I switched to Specialized fast traks which have the 2nd best rating for rolling resistance for fat bike tires. They are much faster rolling and grip like a champ. you can go here and check out rolling resistance for all tires Fat Bike Tires Rolling Resistance Reviews
    Why do people keep linking to that article? Rolling resistance on a 77cm drum covered in diamond plate has little to do with real world riding on trails. lots of tires missing from that list as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    Why do people keep linking to that article?
    More and more I wonder how many people actually ride *outside*...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Just ordered a pair of FBR, but the next day the FBF went on sale as well. Still, they were only $50 each at the time so it was worth it. Nice sale, BTW.
    Great sale.

    They have Bud's for an extra $10.

    Hmm... FBF or Bud?

    Snow & winter trail riding along Colorado Front Range, so completely variable conditions.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    FBF or Bud?

    Snow & winter trail riding along Colorado Front Range, so completely variable conditions.
    Bud, 10x out of 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Just ordered a pair of FBR, but the next day the FBF went on sale as well. Still, they were only $50 each at the time so it was worth it. Nice sale, BTW.
    That is a nice sale, thanks for the heads up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Just ordered a pair of FBR, but the next day the FBF went on sale as well. Still, they were only $50 each at the time so it was worth it. Nice sale, BTW.
    Those are not the EXO/TR versions though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kntr View Post
    Those are not the EXO/TR versions though.
    Begging your pardon, but they are. These are the ones I received.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Begging your pardon, but they are. These are the ones I received.

    Wow. Looks like I'm buying an FBR from Borealis!
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Begging your pardon, but they are. These are the ones I received.

    Nice. No where on their website does it say EXO/TR on the 4.0s or 4.8s. Thanks

    Also, the pics are wrong. All the FBF pics are the FBR.


    Went to order and its $30 for shipping.
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    I'm looking for replacements for the Jumbo Jims on my Carbon Bucksaw. On dry trails they work great, but wet rocks and roots and forget it.

    My local shop is recommending the 4" Minions, so I would love to hear more about your experience. We have a lot of rock and roots around here. I was also considering the Van Helgas or possibly 4" Ground Controls (I hear they have a "pro" version as well?? True?)




    Quote Originally Posted by VladConnery View Post
    I had both the minion FBF and a mammoth on my Salsa bucksaw and hated them. Ironically I run the Maxxis Ardent and Ikon on my 2015 specialized camber expert EVO and luv them. On my bucksaw they had way to much rolling resistance and felt like i was in mud and a ton of traction steer. Now I live in Charlotte NC where it rarely snows. It's possible these tires just are not built for the trails here. I switched to Specialized fast traks which have the 2nd best rating for rolling resistance for fat bike tires. They are much faster rolling and grip like a champ. you can go here and check out rolling resistance for all tires Fat Bike Tires Rolling Resistance Reviews

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    Got my 4.0 Minions. I'm gonna stick with Van Helgas. The Van Helga is 100g lighter each and they are a little bigger. The Van Helga knobs are also taller. The Van Helga sidewalls are thinner. The Van Helga feels like a AM tire while the Minion feels like a DH tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kntr View Post
    Got my 4.0 Minions. I'm gonna stick with Van Helgas. The Van Helga is 100g lighter each and they are a little bigger. The Van Helga knobs are also taller. The Van Helga sidewalls are thinner. The Van Helga feels like a AM tire while the Minion feels like a DH tire.
    Did you get just the FBRs? If you like the Van Helgas, I would have picked up the FBFs instead (which are lighter than the FBRs too).
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    For this winter, I'm going to run a 4.8 FBF up front and a VH out back, as I already have one and it worked out well last year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Did you get just the FBRs? If you like the Van Helgas, I would have picked up the FBFs instead (which are lighter than the FBRs too).
    I bought both the FBR and FBF. After I saw the height of the knobs, I knew the VH would be better in snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kntr View Post
    the Minion feels like a DH tire.
    This is why I like my Minion FBF. It sticks great in the corners and has a nice round profile so you can lean the bike over.
    However if anyone has a better option for aggressive AM riding, I'm all ears.

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    I currently have the FBF and FBR 4.8 combo and only use them for snow. On snowmobile tracks they have a massive amount of rolling resistance for me. I still want a really good snow tire so would the Bud Lou combo be any better? Or are there other tires I should look at that have pretty good deep snow performance with a little better rolling resistance on more packed snow. This is for Colorado snow and I have 100mm rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splitnow View Post
    I currently have the FBF and FBR 4.8 combo and only use them for snow. On snowmobile tracks they have a massive amount of rolling resistance for me. I still want a really good snow tire so would the Bud Lou combo be any better? Or are there other tires I should look at that have pretty good deep snow performance with a little better rolling resistance on more packed snow. This is for Colorado snow and I have 100mm rims.
    I would try Bud/Bud or Bud/Colossus.

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    I agree with mikesee. Bud/Bud combo. I run these year round.

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    I'm loving the Van Helga year around

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    Quote Originally Posted by kntr View Post
    I'm loving the Van Helga year around
    I like the knobs on the Van Helga myself, but the rubber compound sucks. It is not all about the aggressive knobs for me, since they do not compensate for grip on wet roots and rocks. I suppose if you are biking mostly on dirt and gravel, even on rocky terrain, not slip rock, it is perfect to get the most aggressiv tire there is. Probably firmer compound also gives you less rolling resistance. I am really disappointed about so few good tires with good compound in fat tire category. For me the perfect is fex. the triple compound from Schwalbe and second the dual compound from Maxxis.

    The most tricky thing with a bad rubber compound is to hold the line when biking technical. When rubber compound is to firm, you are slipping on rocks and roots and you will for sure end up with the wrong line and then you hit something you should not. Most likely you will puncture. It does not help that 45nrth tires have weak side walls either.

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    So the Maxxis compound works better than the Van Helga for you on slick roots & rocks? This is more the type application that I am after as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    So the Maxxis compound works better than the Van Helga for you on slick roots & rocks? This is more the type application that I am after as well.
    Yes the rubber compound is softer and is gripping so you can hold the line much better over slick wet rocks and roots. With to hard compound you will end up sliding everywhere, missing the line and hit other rocks, making snakebites or hitting the side wall. My experience is that the 45nrth and Surly rubber compound is likely developed against winter and snow surface. On hard packed snow they have excellent grip though and Flowbeist/Dunderbeist is my favourite there, together with Bud/Lou. I think also they are using thinner side walls to get a softer tire when rolling against the snow surface, maybe it will give better flotation?

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    The Van Helga is 60D center and 52D on the side knobs.
    The Minion is 50D center and 42D on the side knobs.

    Ive ridden a lot of tires and I cant tell the difference in tires that close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kntr View Post
    The Van Helga is 60D center and 52D on the side knobs.
    The Minion is 50D center and 42D on the side knobs.

    Ive ridden a lot of tires and I cant tell the difference in tires that close.
    I have been riding 20 different models (not brands) of plus and fatbike tires. For me it is a great difference. I would say that they are not close at all. 60 and 50 Center makes a big difference in keeping the line on slick rock or root beds. In gravel, hard pack and lose I would choose VH with the most aggressive knobs. The most soft rubber there is in fat tire department is Silica rubber from Vee. There is a shame the casing and knob design is not so good. I think some of them just seems designed on a computer, and not tested before production......

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    I have the FBF 4.8 front and FBR 4.0 rear and want to run them in the snow, I hope they will suit me. does anyone know the width of the 4.8 FBF? I am running that tire on the On one carbon fatty fork, I think it will only accept 120mm max. any advice would be help
    thank you!

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    My FBF 4.8 is exactly the same width as my FBR 4.8.

    Inflated at 7 PSI, they are both sitting between 4.3 and 4.4 inches.
    Inflated at 20 PSI, they are both sitting at 4.5 inches.

    Both tires are on 80mm Mulefut 80SL.

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    thats awesome! thank you so much!

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    can anyone give me feedback on how the Minion FBF and FBR will handle in snow, from packed to deep snow, thank you

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    I weigh 170 and use the 4.8FBF as a rear on an 80mmm rim. I rode it in up to 8" of fresh east coast snow. As long as you had power to pedal, it would float along just fine at 2-3psi (tubed). By morning snow was 24" and when storm ended 38". Impossible to ride.
    Several days of freeze/thaw cycles later, diminishing total snow to less than 12" and was able to ride crust w/o breaking through. Then winter ended.

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    I had an opprtunity to get a set of the 4.8 for cheap; my buddy had gotten some on a shop special, but after weighing them I'm thinking a 1500gm tire is really not what I need. If I was going to splurge for a tire that carries that much weight, I'd get studs.

    I just looked at the weights for a Bud a was suprised to see it was also 1500gms! I suppose they are comparable, but it just seems like that extra traction is not worth the weight, in comparison to a JJ 4.6 which is more like 1100-1200gms.

    Maybe if someone is really into riding a fat tire for all mountain, the Maxxis would be a good choice for traction and durability, but for snow it's an overkill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lRaphl View Post
    My FBF 4.8 is exactly the same width as my FBR 4.8.

    Inflated at 7 PSI, they are both sitting between 4.3 and 4.4 inches.
    Inflated at 20 PSI, they are both sitting at 4.5 inches.

    Both tires are on 80mm Mulefut 80SL.
    Isn't that interesting.

    On my 100mm TA wheels mounted tubeless the FBR measures 4.707" at 20 psi.

    I used a tube to seat the beads and at 20 psi with a tube it was 4.675" on the 100mm wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaff View Post
    Isn't that interesting.

    On my 100mm TA wheels mounted tubeless the FBR measures 4.707" at 20 psi.

    I used a tube to seat the beads and at 20 psi with a tube it was 4.675" on the 100mm wheels.
    Split hairs much

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    So I suppose I'm dreaming, but will the smaller minion fit a Fox plus fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    So I suppose I'm dreaming, but will the smaller minion fit a Fox plus fork?
    A Van Helga fits a 27.5+ Fox and the Minion is a little smaller. Id say yes.

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    It was a nice ride today. Grip was excellent at this weather...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Split hairs much
    I read it off the caliper directly and am a former lab manager, so precision and accuracy are second nature.

    Nitpick much?

    At 8 psi on 100mm wheels it read 4.610" and the front Bud was 4.650" at 4 psi.

    I tested the rear FBR today on wet rock and leaves and have to say I'm most impressed. It never lost grip at all and I tried to see if it would.

    I'm sold on the FBR but after looking at a side x side with the FBF and Bud, I think the Bud is a better tire.
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    can anyone compare flowbeist to FBF 4.8? from the looks of numbers poisted here they are very close, with the FBF being just a wee bit bigger in volume and width, though numbers in isolation can be a little deceiving sometimes....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    can anyone compare flowbeist to FBF 4.8? from the looks of numbers poisted here they are very close, with the FBF being just a wee bit bigger in volume and width, though numbers in isolation can be a little deceiving sometimes....
    I posted somewhere, maybe the Farley thread, the Flow and Dunderbeists were 4.2ish in measure width.
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    thanks! yeah, i have a flowbeist on an 85mm external rim myself and know the measurements it has at my riding pressures - what i was curious about is if anyone has mounted and compared both on the same rim... the flow seems to be a few mm only narrower than the FBF acc to folks measurements, but i wonder how it is in reality? the fbf *should* have a bigger volume by quite a bit, but i wonder if they are actually very similar...cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    thanks! yeah, i have a flowbeist on an 85mm external rim myself and know the measurements it has at my riding pressures - what i was curious about is if anyone has mounted and compared both on the same rim... the flow seems to be a few mm only narrower than the FBF acc to folks measurements, but i wonder how it is in reality? the fbf *should* have a bigger volume by quite a bit, but i wonder if they are actually very similar...cheers!
    Any more true comparisons with Flowbeist

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    Could you guys explain to me the advantage of the Bud/Bud combo vs Bud/Lou combo for snow riding? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    Any feedback as to what the FBF and FBR are like in soft snow? Are they able to cut it or are they really for dry/groomed trails?
    Also any comparisons to the Flowbeist & Dundetbeist

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    OMG, do these suckers rail on firm groomer!

    At low pressures they maintain a nice sidewall, no floppiness, I was jumping and carving at 3-4psi on newly groomed single track. Maybe I could have been riding the 4" Minions, but there doesn't seem to be any downside to the 4.8 Minions, so why bother!

    There's decent float on these guys, even though my rims are only 65mm (sized down for frame fit reasons), when I air down they are at least as good on loose snow as the average 4.5" tire.

    They went up tubeless just fine, even though it took a compressor and strap to seat the bead, they have not leaked, and they spin "round".

    I have the matching set, 120tpi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    OMG, do these suckers rail on firm groomer!

    At low pressures they maintain a nice sidewall, no floppiness, I was jumping and carving at 3-4psi on newly groomed single track. Maybe I could have been riding the 4" Minions, but there doesn't seem to be any downside to the 4.8 Minions, so why bother!

    There's decent float on these guys, even though my rims are only 65mm (sized down for frame fit reasons), when I air down they are at least as good on loose snow as the average 4.5" tire.

    They went up tubeless just fine, even though it took a compressor and strap to seat the bead, they have not leaked, and they spin "round".

    I have the matching set, 120tpi.
    Sounds like fun !
    Any comparison to Lou and Bud or other tires ?
    Wonder how they ride in 4-8" of fresh snow
    Thanks !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Surly View Post
    Sounds like fun !
    Any comparison to Lou and Bud or other tires ?
    Wonder how they ride in 4-8" of fresh snow
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    We had about 8" or so if pretty dry powder here in Southern MI last week, and the FBF was no match for it. Any time it encountered unpacked powder it gave up laterally. Many dabs and quite a few spills later, I just walked back to the car. Went down as low as ~3 psi on 80mm Mulefut rims tubeless. No joy. The FBR did ok tho.

    Bought a set of Bud/Lou to put on and try out once I get replacement parts from Sun Ringle. The tires weren't the only thing to give up the ghost last week. Had an SRC fat hub die with less than 100 miles on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Surly View Post
    Sounds like fun !
    Any comparison to Lou and Bud or other tires ?
    Wonder how they ride in 4-8" of fresh snow
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    Depends on the snow quality.

    Asking a tire to handle deep non compacting snow is asking for trouble, even a snowmobile struggles in that stuff.

    I think it takes more than a couple rides to judge a tire. Snow quality is so variable , it's really best to compare across a season, so same conditions with buddies on different tires.

    Don't expect a tire to do the impossible, there are days when we walk, there are days when we ride, there are days when we should have stayed home.

    I would definitely recommend the Minions for riding fast on firm.

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    ^ Indeed. Take my observations with a grain of salt. I'm still learning about snow riding, and it sounds like everyone was struggling with the dump we got.

    However, from what I heard from the locals, Bud and Snowshoe XXL were able to punch through. My local Trail's don't see much grooming, so I need something that can pack and roll without a ton of lateral washouts. We'll see how Bud does. If that doesn't work, I'm on to XXL. If that doesn't work, I'm on the couch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Surly View Post
    Sounds like fun !
    Any comparison to Lou and Bud or other tires ?
    Wonder how they ride in 4-8" of fresh snow
    Thanks !
    All of my riding this year has been in state forest land breaking mine own trails and have had to keep them packed on my own. I have had no issues riding up to 5 inches of fresh snow. As low as 3 psi front / 4 psi rear to get through the fresh snow.

    I can't compare Minions to Bud / Lou, but no complaints yet for anything I have encountered. I just don't expect to do much when snow reaches 6 inches or more. Thankfully where I live, we don't get a lot of heavy snow fall, more of the small ones, and cold weather to keep it around for most of the winter.

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    Curious, has anybody tried FBR both front and rear on various surfaces? I see the rationale for FBF on the front, but FBR is a bit lighter that FBF and its knobs look little different from other tires generally designed to work on either end.

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    I've been riding the Minions FBF & FBR all year and I really love them in everything except fresh or soft groom snow.

    They give me the best confidence & control on dirt, rocks, roots, wet or in groom hard pack snow. The same trust all my other Minions have give me for years in DH and AM.

    But for winter, giving all the fresh snow we keep getting here and the grooming having a hard time to keep up, FBF would washout too much and the FBR would spin out and give me a hard time getting back straight after drift or in steep climbing.

    For that reason, I've switch back to Bud & Lou this winter but would certainly get the Minions back when the snow is gone or in spring when we get most of the time hardpack snow.

    Thinking I should build a summer wheelset for the Maxxis now and keep the Bud & Lou on a winter wheelset since I'm running my tires tubeless on Mulefut 80SL. Once their on, they stay on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by awai04 View Post
    Curious, has anybody tried FBR both front and rear on various surfaces? I see the rationale for FBF on the front, but FBR is a bit lighter that FBF and its knobs look little different from other tires generally designed to work on either end.
    I have been riding FBF front and rear for a few rides, but only on icy and hard pack surface. They are also spiked with 200-300 best grip spikes. I love the width and diameter of these 27.5x3.8" setup on my Mutz.

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    Where can I get the FBR 27.5 x 3.8 EXO/TR, 120tpi??

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    I bet the 4.0" go perfectly with 65-70mm rims as you describe. I've tried these with 80mm rims. No complaints on performance though I would caution that rim edge protection is minimal since there's less lateral knobbage than other 4.0" tires. The 4.0" Minions are effectively 3.8" for practical purposes. Good tires for what they are.


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    OMG, do these suckers rail on firm groomer!

    At low pressures they maintain a nice sidewall, no floppiness, I was jumping and carving at 3-4psi on newly groomed single track. Maybe I could have been riding the 4" Minions, but there doesn't seem to be any downside to the 4.8 Minions, so why bother!

    There's decent float on these guys, even though my rims are only 65mm (sized down for frame fit reasons), when I air down they are at least as good on loose snow as the average 4.5" tire.

    They went up tubeless just fine, even though it took a compressor and strap to seat the bead, they have not leaked, and they spin "round".

    I have the matching set, 120tpi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awai04 View Post
    I bet the 4.0" go perfectly with 65-70mm rims as you describe. I've tried these with 80mm rims. No complaints on performance though I would caution that rim edge protection is minimal since there's less lateral knobbage than other 4.0" tires. The 4.0" Minions are effectively 3.8" for practical purposes. Good tires for what they are.
    Thanks for that info, I was wondering how rim edge protection might be with the FBF 4.0 on my Mulefut rims.
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    I bought a 4.8 Minion, threw that on the front and it has been great so far. It pretty much took me wherever I pointed it - firm nicely groomed trail, softer shittily groomed trail, mashed potato-like trail. Pumped it up pretty hard for road riding, and I was pleasantly surprised that I didn't notice any rolling resistance. Looks badass too.

    I am going to let it stretch out for a month or so and see if it'll fit in the rear, and if so, pick up another one. Thought about an FBR in the rear, but the reviews haven't been fantastic. Bumped into a buddy on the trail today who is running an FBR in the rear, with the tread reversed. He said it works better that way.
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    The 4.8 FBR is a fine tire, it gets good traction, but like any fat tire, petformance is pressure dependent.

    I got Minions for the the all around performance, which they provide.

    The FBF 4.8 is a little slippery at times, but aren't all fat tires at one point or another.

    The Minions are killer for riding fast, railing groomer, and getting air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Where can I get the FBR 27.5 x 3.8 EXO/TR, 120tpi??
    I'm wondering this, too. I have both the 4.0" and 4.8" for my 26" fat bike but am looking for a skinnier set for my 27.5" (have 4.5" on now). I found the FBF on Amazon but didn't see the FBR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Where can I get the FBR 27.5 x 3.8 EXO/TR, 120tpi??

    They don't exist in the US yet.

    QBP is showing ETA's of mid-June.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    They don't exist in the US yet.

    QBP is showing ETA's of mid-June.
    Okay, but how can I order one from overseas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Okay, but how can I order one from overseas?

    How the hizell would I know?

    I prefer the Hodag over the FBF for pretty much everything. Thus I have zero interest in the FBR, because I've never (not in 29", nor fat) liked it even as much as the FBF.

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    Forgive me if I'm a complete idiot for asking these questions:

    1. Is it normal for a company that makes front and rear tires to only make the fronts available but the rears not available for another 6+ months?

    2. What is the point of doing this?

    3. Would it be weird to have FBF on the front and back?

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    1. Maybe production issues with the plant
    2. There is no point. There is no god and nothing matters.
    3. I am thinking about doing just that if it fits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    How the hizell would I know?

    I prefer the Hodag over the FBF for pretty much everything. Thus I have zero interest in the FBR, because I've never (not in 29", nor fat) liked it even as much as the FBF.
    I don't, I figured if anyone would know, it'd be you

    I just want to build this stupid wheelset and ride it, June is long time from now.

    and yeah, you prefer the Hodags...

    What can I say, it's irrational perhaps, but I want what I want...

    So if there are any europeans who'd like to hook up a guy from 'merica...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    What can I say, it's irrational perhaps, but I want what I want...

    So if there are any europeans who'd like to hook up a guy from 'merica...

    Keee-rist! Would someone from Europe get this man the slower, heavier, more expensive tire he's after?!



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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Keee-rist! Would someone from Europe get this man the slower, heavier, more expensive tire he's after?!


    Well said!

    If you have the 26x4.8 FBR for one wheelset, WHY are you so bent on getting a 27.5 FBR for this set?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Keee-rist! Would someone from Europe get this man the slower, heavier, more expensive tire he's after?!


    According to the Maxxis website, the FBR is about 200g lighter than the FBF in 27.5x3.8 size. Just saying!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Keee-rist! Would someone from Europe get this man the slower, heavier, more expensive tire he's after?!



    Not sure about the more expensive part. Earlier this week I ordered my FBF for $90 (includes shipping). When I look at the Trek website they have the Hodags for $120. Normally I pay the price listed online for Trek/Bontrager stuff @ my LBS, unless he wants to give me a discount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Well said!

    If you have the 26x4.8 FBR for one wheelset, WHY are you so bent on getting a 27.5 FBR for this set?
    For me it's because I like the tread. I feel more confident to rip around more and not fear losing grip. Probably wouldn't lose grip w/other tires but I'm a skittish rider, so if I know something works & I can get it for another bike, I probably will. Just my thoughts.

    The 4.8's are heavy - I can't deny that. But I do have 4.0's & like them. Maybe I'll look at the Hodags if the LBS has them and get a set. Who knows? For me it's fun to get different things for the bike and swap them around to find what I like.

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    Rumble, I'm trying to decide between Hodags or FBF for my plus wheels in snow. I only have experience with Hodags on dirt and was not a fan. Is the extra 200g on the MAXXIS worth it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Well said!

    If you have the 26x4.8 FBR for one wheelset, WHY are you so bent on getting a 27.5 FBR for this set?
    I also have a 29+ set.... me likes Minions

    It doesn't have to be rational.

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    I've had the FBF 4.8 up front for about a week and a half. So far it's been awesome on groomed single track and awesome pumped up rock hard on pavement and slush. Have not had it any fresh snow yet, but that may change Tuesday or Wednesday night. Really hoping it will fit in the rear after I give it a bit to stretch out.

    That last sentence though.
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    FBF 4.8 & FBR 4.8 (both with tubes) for approx 350kms now, loving them a lot more than the Ground Control 4.6 I had, although they are about the same size, but I had heard that Maxxis tyres are smaller than written.
    Considering I also got them at 40% off Im stoked. On packed snow they are awesome, in loose snow up to about 10cm I find them good, more snow than that and my ability starts lacking . Looking forward to summer to try them in trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpfurn View Post
    Rumble, I'm trying to decide between Hodags or FBF for my plus wheels in snow. I only have experience with Hodags on dirt and was not a fan. Is the extra 200g on the MAXXIS worth it?
    Have not tried hodag yet so I do not know the thread, just read about it and seen the spec. It depends on how you are riding and on what conditions. Hodag have probably weight savings in the side wall. That is a trade off. Do you ride hard downhill in heavy rocky and terrain you will for sure puncture. The rubber compoundis a lot softer on the Maxxis. 2c and 3c is much better than Hodags hard rubber (I think it was 67?) If wet conditions on slick rock, ruts and so on you will feel the hodag slip like a soap in a bath tub compared to hodag.
    In dry conditions both winter and summer I think the hodag will be okay?

    Compound, weight, thread and durabilty combined makes the Maxxis the best for me.

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    IQUOTE=bikeny;12874561]Why do people keep linking to that article? Rolling resistance on a 77cm drum covered in diamond plate has little to do with real world riding on trails. lots of tires missing from that list as well.[/QUOTE]

    tend to agree with you. My first fatty came with Mammoths as stock. Reading the rolling resistance article I was apprehensive. But the reality has been totally different. At higher pressures the tire pedals easy on road and works well on trail or sand at lower volume. Reading other threads on here about the tire or bikes that have it as stock, it largely comes out rated as a pretty decent 3 season tire that rolls easy
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    Just mounted the the fbf 4.0 on my Wednesday. Wow was it tough to mount. It took me a half an hour to remove the nate tire and an hour to install the minion. It's still not seated perfectly. Going to let it sit overnight and hopefully stretch a bit. I'm new to fat bikes and was wondering if this is typical? It was cool outside when I started. I finished inside next to the heater to loosen things up. I dread a flat on the trails. New levers ordered too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim_Ky View Post
    Just mounted the the fbf 4.0 on my Wednesday. Wow was it tough to mount. It took me a half an hour to remove the nate tire and an hour to install the minion. It's still not seated perfectly. Going to let it sit overnight and hopefully stretch a bit. I'm new to fat bikes and was wondering if this is typical? It was cool outside when I started. I finished inside next to the heater to loosen things up. I dread a flat on the trails. New levers ordered too.

    Interesting. My 4.8 went on to a Mulefut easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyriverag View Post
    Interesting. My 4.8 went on to a Mulefut easily.
    Curious, are your Minions the EXO version? Much like Tim_Ky, I had one hell of a time pulling these suckers off my Mulefeets. In 20 years wrenching bikes, I've never met a tire that required so much effort to remove. Luckily I don't get flats often, not looking forward to that day.
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    Does anyone have experience with the FBR/FBF 4.0? Looking at using them for the summer dirt season on my Bucksaw. Using Nates currently and really like the amount of grip they offer, though they could roll a little faster. Anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianick View Post
    Does anyone have experience with the FBR/FBF 4.0? Looking at using them for the summer dirt season on my Bucksaw. Using Nates currently and really like the amount of grip they offer, though they could roll a little faster. Anyone?
    I've got a set on my Fatback, I'm from Michigan and have been riding in NC all week and they're legit. I love them, the size and shape is great on my DT Swiss BR rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianick View Post
    Does anyone have experience with the FBR/FBF 4.0? Looking at using them for the summer dirt season on my Bucksaw. Using Nates currently and really like the amount of grip they offer, though they could roll a little faster. Anyone?
    Thanks for asking my question, picking up a Bucksaw tomorrow and removing the Nate's is the first task

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticketchecker View Post
    Thanks for asking my question, picking up a Bucksaw tomorrow and removing the Nate's is the first task
    It came down to the Minions or Van Helga. My buddy has the Van Helga, so I went with the Minions to be different (since we already ride the same bike, Bucksaw!)

    Picked them up yesterday, will be mounting them tubeless on Sunday.

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    I believe the Minions might be a hair skinnier than the 4.0 as advertised. I would likely use the FBF on front and rear, as they seem to be a meaty fast rolling tread.
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