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    Quote Originally Posted by kntr View Post
    Thanks for all the help. I took out the rubber O-ring on the IVA air side and it made a huge difference in the progression of the fork. I like my fork plush and this really helped. I use more travel, now.

    Does the distance from the bottom out rubber O-ring to the crown look about right? That's where I was concerned.
    That distance looks correct for a STD fork at full compression....it's 7mm to the inside point of the crown.

    The only other thing you'd want to do is measure from the tire to crown with it compressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fugsworth View Post
    Between the mayor the nurse and Dougal I am a little confused.

    If I wanted to reduce bottom end travel on a 120 pro by 10mm (Make it a 110) is that done on the top air side? Or both sides of the lowers? Or what?

    I thought I had it clear in my mind but I seem to be reading conflicting information.
    What do you mean by
    bottom end travel?
    Are you trying to shorten the ride height?
    Are you trying to shorten the overall travel?
    Are you trying to get more space to be able to run a taller tire?
    And what fork ( STD or EXT?) do you have?

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    Wyatt is specing them as an option for their upcoming Fat Bike as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavic View Post
    Wyatt is specing them as an option for their upcoming Fat Bike as well.

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    Thanks for shilling Wyatt...which is the new Bikes Direct

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Thanks for shilling Wyatt...which is the new Bikes Direct
    Not their newest bike. The frame is actually going to be built in house (LaCrosse, WI).



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    Current Prototype

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavic View Post
    Not their newest bike. The frame is actually going to be built in house (LaCrosse, WI).



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    Who cares? This is a thread about a fork.
    Take out an ad if you want to shill the bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Who cares? This is a thread about a fork.
    Take out an ad if you want to shill the bike
    Reading through the thread, folks are posting about what bikes are being speced with them as well. Figured I'd share, but didn't figured I'd be trolled about it.

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    Btw, I'm not shilling anything. Just another rider sharing info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    What do you mean by
    bottom end travel?
    Are you trying to shorten the ride height?
    Are you trying to shorten the overall travel?
    Are you trying to get more space to be able to run a taller tire?
    And what fork ( STD or EXT?) do you have?
    I think dougal answered my question with this:
    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    If you want to increase tyre clearance then add spacers to the bottom of the rods inside the lower legs.
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    By bottom end of the travel I mean when the fork is completely compressed... "Tire clearance".
    My fork is a 120 pro std.
    I'd like the option to make it a 110

    Edit:
    Thanks Dougal, I did what you said and it was quite simple.

    I now have a 110 travel standard that will fit Minion 29x3 and Surly Bud with 531 A-C
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    I just spoke with Luke at Dirt Lab, he has ordered STD conversion parts for my EXT, but Manitou is saying September before they'll be available. I'll post follow ups once I get the conversion complete. Parts cost are estimated at $50.

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    September??? That's tomorrow! Outrageous!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxeymum View Post
    September??? That's tomorrow! Outrageous!!!
    It's already tomorrow, dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxeymum View Post
    September??? That's tomorrow! Outrageous!!!
    In bike speak, September is really late October.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    In bike speak, September is really late October.
    Manitou Mastodon?-maynz.jpg
    This is the calendar the bike industry uses.
    I'm going to bet the parts will be here by the winged 3 legged dog

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    This is the calendar the bike industry uses.
    I'm going to bet the parts will be here by the winged 3 legged dog
    Post of the year! Or should I say post of the yellow toothy one eyed parrot...
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    Awesome ride with the Mastodon


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatpeak View Post
    Awesome ride with the Mastodon

    Now that's how a fatbike is supposed to be ridden!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktmnealio View Post
    now that's how a fatbike is supposed to be ridden!
    wow!!

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    That video pretty much catches the Mastodon in action. Though my riding is no where near that level, I do work my Mastodons pretty hard, plenty of big hits, routine 4-5' airs, lots of bad lines with consequences..

    What I notice is that the fork goes where I point it, it keeps the tire in contact with the ground, it's not skittery or bouncy, there is no stiction, and flex is not an issue. It's certainly on par with a Pike, though I prefer the action of the Manitou over a Pike.

    Now I need to work on my nose wheelies

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    I'm contemplating buying one of these, and have gone through this forum. Have a few questions I am hoping can be answered by someone more knowledgeable.

    I see the "the travel change manual (page 9)" referenced and linked. However the link is dead and I couldn't find it via a search. Any idea if/how it can be accessed?

    I've read on the std model that you can gain tire clearance by adding spacers which sacrifices travel. makes sense in theory, but has anyone that has one actually done this yet? If so, any feedback on the change?

    This is going on a Surly ICT. I expect to run it mostly with 27.5+ and 3" tires. Concerned about throwing off geometry much, so leaning towards the STD, but then I may just like having suspension enough to want it with some 5" tires also. I can definitely see wanting to at least try it in the snow with some Dillinger 5s, which although they are labelled as 5" they aren't very big. Thinking one extra spacer would be plenty to run those, perhaps 2 spacers for my big Knards.

    Just looking for a little more confirmation or feedback that extending the std model works. real examples would be best, but guessing that manual referenced would help to clarify.

    Also, if any on has run one on an ICT specifically and has feedback, would like to hear it. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pkovo View Post
    I'm contemplating buying one of these, and have gone through this forum. Have a few questions I am hoping can be answered by someone more knowledgeable.

    I see the "the travel change manual (page 9)" referenced and linked. However the link is dead and I couldn't find it via a search. Any idea if/how it can be accessed?

    I've read on the std model that you can gain tire clearance by adding spacers which sacrifices travel. makes sense in theory, but has anyone that has one actually done this yet? If so, any feedback on the change?

    This is going on a Surly ICT. I expect to run it mostly with 27.5+ and 3" tires. Concerned about throwing off geometry much, so leaning towards the STD, but then I may just like having suspension enough to want it with some 5" tires also. I can definitely see wanting to at least try it in the snow with some Dillinger 5s, which although they are labelled as 5" they aren't very big. Thinking one extra spacer would be plenty to run those, perhaps 2 spacers for my big Knards.

    Just looking for a little more confirmation or feedback that extending the std model works. real examples would be best, but guessing that manual referenced would help to clarify.

    Also, if any on has run one on an ICT specifically and has feedback, would like to hear it. Thanks.
    27.5 + should fit a STD 120 no problem (531a-c). There is a picture of a fat minion also fitting. I shortened my 120 to 110 so I could have mud clearance with my 29+ minion. It worked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pkovo View Post
    I'm contemplating buying one of these, and have gone through this forum. Have a few questions I am hoping can be answered by someone more knowledgeable.

    I see the "the travel change manual (page 9)" referenced and linked. However the link is dead and I couldn't find it via a search. Any idea if/how it can be accessed?

    I've read on the std model that you can gain tire clearance by adding spacers which sacrifices travel. makes sense in theory, but has anyone that has one actually done this yet? If so, any feedback on the change?

    This is going on a Surly ICT. I expect to run it mostly with 27.5+ and 3" tires. Concerned about throwing off geometry much, so leaning towards the STD, but then I may just like having suspension enough to want it with some 5" tires also. I can definitely see wanting to at least try it in the snow with some Dillinger 5s, which although they are labelled as 5" they aren't very big. Thinking one extra spacer would be plenty to run those, perhaps 2 spacers for my big Knards.

    Just looking for a little more confirmation or feedback that extending the std model works. real examples would be best, but guessing that manual referenced would help to clarify.

    Also, if any on has run one on an ICT specifically and has feedback, would like to hear it. Thanks.
    I tried the EXT 120mm version on my Salsa Beargrease in 21" frame. Set up with low handlebars and flip over the stem, it was no problem. I would probably be better off with a 110 or a 100mm travel, on the Salsa, but I like to ride a bit aggressive and want a bit more travel. I wanted the EXT version to be able to use all kind of wheel sizes including 29+ and 5" tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    Now that's how a fatbike is supposed to be ridden!
    Then I had better send mine back.

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    Material is overestimated, it's always the rider not the bike or fork - reduced to the essentials (starts from 2:00) …

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    If you are only going to run shorter travel, ie <130mm, there is no reason to get an EXT for a 29+/5" tire clearance because you can add 10-20mm (1 or 2) of spacers to limit travel, thus preventing the tire from hitting the crown.

    Unlike the EXT, the STD will not increase A-C, so functionally the bike will remain at the same geo as it would with a rigid fork/Lauf/Bluto.

    I made this same mistake on my Wozo, prior to knowing enough about the Mastodon fork to make an informed decision; early adoptor syndrome.

    I am in the process of changing my EXT to an STD on my Wozo, I will run 130mm travel which leaves the the option of adding spacers to reduce travel if I decide to run 29+ again.

    To reiterate: STD with 20mm of spacers can be run up to 130mm and clear 29+/5" tires without increasing A-C.

    The question I have is why even create an EXT?

    Personally, I'd rather have a Mastodon "minus" with a narrower crown for 3-4" tires, 160mm travel; call me a dreamer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumblefish2010 View Post
    I tried the EXT 120mm version on my Salsa Beargrease in 21" frame. Set up with low handlebars and flip over the stem, it was no problem. I would probably be better off with a 110 or a 100mm travel, on the Salsa, but I like to ride a bit aggressive and want a bit more travel. I wanted the EXT version to be able to use all kind of wheel sizes including 29+ and 5" tires.

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    Has there been an engineering drawing of the fork posted? Not exploded parts view but 3-view dimensional that a frame builder would use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    If you are only going to run shorter travel, ie <130mm, there is no reason to get an EXT for a 29+/5" tire clearance because you can add 10-20mm (1 or 2) of spacers to limit travel, thus preventing the tire from hitting the crown.

    Unlike the EXT, the STD will not increase A-C, so functionally the bike will remain at the same geo as it would with a rigid fork/Lauf/Bluto.

    I made this same mistake on my Wozo, prior to knowing enough about the Mastodon fork to make an informed decision; early adoptor syndrome.

    I am in the process of changing my EXT to an STD on my Wozo, I will run 130mm travel which leaves the the option of adding spacers to reduce travel if I decide to run 29+ again.

    To reiterate: STD with 20mm of spacers can be run up to 130mm and clear 29+/5" tires without increasing A-C.

    The question I have is why even create an EXT?

    Personally, I'd rather have a Mastodon "minus" with a narrower crown for 3-4" tires, 160 mm travel; call me a dreamer.
    Thanks to everyone that replied, very helpful. This reply is pretty much spot on my situation. I never plan on using more than 130 mm of travel, and actually probably will use less. I'm thinking 120 max, maybe 110 as is for the std. If I run it with bigger tires, ad spacers below, 90-100. A-C distance is very much my concern because I feel the geo now with my rigid fork is great and don't want to increase any further than I need to. So, this makes perfect sense to me. STD it is.

    Hopefully my last question...Does it come with all the spacers I'll need, or do I need to order some extras to have enough to add and reduce travel?

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    I'm not sure if the fork includes the combination of spacers needed to meet all the possible combinations. From memory I remember getting some extra spacers with my forks, but now I have them all in one bag

    You do need to dissaemble the fork and move around spacers, for that you'll need the special socket and cassette tool OR pay a shop to do the work.

    [QUOTE=Pkovo;13337205]Thanks to everyone that replied, very helpful. This reply is pretty much spot on my situation. I never plan on using more than 130 mm of travel, and actually probably will use less. I'm thinking 120 max, maybe 110 as is for the std. If I run it with bigger tires, ad spacers below, 90

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    Wonder what parts there is in the conversion kit for ext to std? Just a shorter airshaft? Someone who have measured and seen the difference of ext and std airshaft? If we know we could shorten the ext shaft accordingly.

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    I was told that the kit includes three parts: spacers, air shaft, and something else (he didn't specify, maybe a washer or a seal/wipe). I'm waiting on the parts from Dirt Labs.

    As far as I know, the air shaft is replaced and the damper shaft is retained.

    Hey Dougal, you out there?? Anything to add?

    I kinda wonder why Manitou didn't simply set the STD for travel limitations from the outset, skipping the EXT air shaft and using spacers as we're looking to do. Wierd.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumblefish2010 View Post
    Wonder what parts there is in the conversion kit for ext to std? Just a shorter airshaft? Someone who have measured and seen the difference of ext and std airshaft? If we know we could shorten the ext shaft accordingly.

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    In. i have a mastodon on my Fattilac.

    is there a fender for these things? my muckynuts won't work...

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    https://muckynutz.com/mudguards/fat_...face_fender_xl

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    In. i have a mastodon on my Fattilac.

    is there a fender for these things? my muckynuts won't work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    If you are only going to run shorter travel, ie <130mm,

    To reiterate: STD with 20mm of spacers can be run up to 130mm and clear 29+/5" tires without increasing A-C.
    You got this wrong.
    If you add 20mm of spacers to the bottom.....you will now have a 100mm travel fork with the same a/c as the STD 120.
    If you remove 20mm of spacers from the top to compensate....you will have the same a-c as the 120 EXT because you are extending the fork.
    All pretty simple math.

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    That is not what I understand.

    I think we need Douglal to chime in as I am not gonna spend my time taking apart forks to prove/disprove something I do not plan to use.

    Tapping out until Dougal chimes in.

    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    You got this wrong.
    If you add 20mm of spacers to the bottom.....you will now have a 100mm travel fork with the same a/c as the STD 120.
    If you remove 20mm of spacers from the top to compensate....you will have the same a-c as the 120 EXT because you are extending the fork.
    All pretty simple math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pkovo View Post
    Thanks to everyone that replied, very helpful. This reply is pretty much spot on my situation. I never plan on using more than 130 mm of travel, and actually probably will use less. I'm thinking 120 max, maybe 110 as is for the std. If I run it with bigger tires, ad spacers below, 90-100. A-C distance is very much my concern because I feel the geo now with my rigid fork is great and don't want to increase any further than I need to. So, this makes perfect sense to me. STD it is.

    Hopefully my last question...Does it come with all the spacers I'll need, or do I need to order some extras to have enough to add and reduce travel?
    You get 2 10mm spacers with a new fork....
    If you put 1 on the bottom of each leg....you have a 110 fork and will have 10mm more clearance to the crown

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    That is not what I understand.

    I think we need Douglal to chime in as I am not gonna spend my time taking apart forks to prove/disprove something I do not plan to use.

    Tapping out until Dougal chimes in.
    Again....pretty simple math. If you take spacers off the top of the air shaft....it extends the fork and the a-c (take 20mm of spacers off....and you have a 120 travel fork with the a/c of the 140 STD...or the same as 120 EXT)

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    Okay, now I see what your saying.

    It is simple math.

    The A-C will be a combination of the changes made.

    So to maintain the A-C for an STD 120mm fork AND have 20mm of travel limit for 29+ wheels, you can only get 100mm of travel.

    Yes, that makes sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    You get 2 10mm spacers with a new fork....
    If you put 1 on the bottom of each leg....you have a 110 fork and will have 10mm more clearance to the crown

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Okay, now I see what your saying.

    It is simple math.

    The A-C will be a combination of the changes made.

    So to maintain the A-C for an STD 120mm fork AND have 20mm of travel limit for 29+ wheels, you can only get 100mm of travel.

    Yes, that makes sense.
    It is simple math.
    It only took me 42 times of taking these forks apart to figure it out.....doh!
    Then....the "ah ha!" moment happened.
    And there is a reason for the EXT fork that Manitou will probably reveal later this year.

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    And for those of you with angst over a-c length.....I have tried these forks in several configurations on 5 different bikes( my Echo and Farley EX,,and a Fatboy Carbon, a Bucksaw carbon and a Mukluk)......myself and the other people always end up liking the EXT's extra length.
    Where you ride and how you ride may have varied results.

    Pretty easy to test if you like a shorter fork using the pump method. Longer fork takes disassembly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Okay, now I see what your saying.

    It is simple math.

    The A-C will be a combination of the changes made.

    So to maintain the A-C for an STD 120mm fork AND have 20mm of travel limit for 29+ wheels, you can only get 100mm of travel.

    Yes, that makes sense.
    Also....I took a 120STD....added 10mm on the bottom andtook off 20mm on top of the air shaft.
    I now have a 130 travel fork with the same a-c as the 140std/120 EXT ( 551) and still has almost 1 inch of clearance on the Chapucabra ( so with out the 10 on the bottom...you still have almost a 1/2 inch of clearance

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    i have that one. it doesn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    i have that one. it doesn't work.
    I'm using a fender that's sold under a bunch of different names.....easiest to find on Ebay sold by Fourier.
    A little cutting and it does the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    i have that one. it doesn't work.
    Mine works, let me see who makes it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    It is simple math.
    It only took me 42 times of taking these forks apart to figure it out.....doh!
    Then....the "ah ha!" moment happened.
    And there is a reason for the EXT fork that Manitou will probably reveal later this year.
    Okay, you drop a hint, but no details?

    Pray tell, what other purpose could a 20mm longer air shaft serve?

    I want it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I kinda wonder why Manitou didn't simply set the STD for travel limitations from the outset, skipping the EXT air shaft and using spacers as we're looking to do. Wierd.
    There is no strange reason for different legs between EXT/STD.
    You need the EXT air shaft to be a longer shaft to stop the end stroke before the STD. Also you need starting point a bit further out than the STD. This gives you longer A-C.

    The EXT air shaft is 20mm longer. It has in the 150mm version 2 spacer lower and 1 spacer in the upper part. Compared to the standard one that has 1 spacer lower and 0 in the upper. Difference between those two are 2 spacers=20 mm.

    In theory you could cut off 20mm of an EXT air shaft and get a STD one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumblefish2010 View Post
    There is no strange reason for different legs between EXT/STD.
    You need the EXT air shaft to be a longer shaft to stop the end stroke before the STD. Also you need starting point a bit further out than the STD. This gives you longer A-C.

    The EXT air shaft is 20mm longer. It has in the 150mm version 2 spacer lower and 1 spacer in the upper part. Compared to the standard one that has 1 spacer lower and 0 in the upper. Difference between those two are 2 spacers=20 mm.

    In theory you could cut off 20mm of an EXT air shaft and get a STD one.
    Pssst.....the longer air shaft doesn't stop the end stroke.....the spacers at the bottom do.
    I have both versions.
    Read my post above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Pssst.....the longer air shaft doesn't stop the end stroke.....the spacers at the bottom do.
    Read my post above.
    Yes of course, but the shaft has to be 20mm longer anyway, to get the spacers at the bottom and to keep enough travel on top??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    In. i have a mastodon on my Fattilac.

    is there a fender for these things? my muckynuts won't work...
    Manitou Mastodon?-kimg0062.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Pssst.....the longer air shaft doesn't stop the end stroke.....the spacers at the bottom do.
    I have both versions.
    Read my post above.
    The spacers are needed at the bottom so the longer shafts don't meet internally. Otherwise Manitou would be using longer shafts for all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    The spacers are needed at the bottom so the longer shafts don't meet internally. Otherwise Manitou would be using longer shafts for all.
    Dougal...I tried to PM this...but your inbox is full:
    On a 120 EXT:
    There is 2 1/2 inches of space from the top of the air shaft to the IVA compressed.
    Nothing hits if you take out 2 spacers at the bottom of the EXT dampers(which now makes it a 140 non EXT).
    What does happen is the air spring rate goes up because of the changed volume from the longer airshaft.
    (I don't know if the 150 EXT airshaft/rebound will hit)
    I am running a EXT120 where I removed 1 set of spacers from the bottom...it now has 130 trravel and still has plenty of clearance for 29+ tire. ( I had to remove the o-ring on the IVA per your suggestion to get better air spring progression)

    AND for anyone who has a early EXT 120 fork that only gets 107mm travel.....check how many spacers are at the bottom of the shafts.
    Mine had 4....there should be 3! ( You will notice the travel adjust guide on their site is now a B revision)

    Does anyone have a saved copy of the original travel guide? I thought it showed 4 spacers at the bottom of the EXT120....
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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Dougal...I tried to PM this...but your inbox is full:
    On a 120 EXT:
    There is 2 1/2 inches of space from the top of the air shaft to the IVA compressed.
    Nothing hits if you take out 2 spacers at the bottom of the EXT dampers(which now makes it a 140 non EXT).
    What does happen is the air spring rate goes up because of the changed volume from the longer airshaft.
    (I don't know if the 150 EXT airshaft/rebound will hit)
    I am running a EXT120 where I removed 1 set of spacers from the bottom...it now has 130 trravel and still has plenty of clearance for 29+ tire. ( I had to remove the o-ring on the IVA per your suggestion to get better air spring progression)

    AND for anyone who has a early EXT 120 fork that only gets 107mm travel.....check how many spacers are at the bottom of the shafts.
    Mine had 4....there should be 3! ( You will notice the travel adjust guide on their site is now a B revision)

    Does anyone have a saved copy of the original travel guide? I thought it showed 4 spacers at the bottom of the EXT120....
    The stanchions are tapered internally near the top too. The Mattoc gets tight inside near full travel and stanchion length is the same. But I guess not having HBO gives the Mastodon a bit more breathing room.

    I've got original and rev B travel guides open here. No difference in the spacer diagrams on pages 9/10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    The stanchions are tapered internally near the top too. The Mattoc gets tight inside near full travel and stanchion length is the same. But I guess not having HBO gives the Mastodon a bit more breathing room.

    I've got original and rev B travel guides open here. No difference in the spacer diagrams on pages 9/10.
    Yes...the taper starts about 4ish inches down....which is the length of the IVA,,,,
    Thanks for looking at the Travel guide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Yes...the taper starts about 4ish inches down....which is the length of the IVA,,,,
    Thanks for looking at the Travel guide.
    So conclusion is that you can convert a EXT to a 140 STD just by taking off 2 of 3 bottom tokens (2 of the 3 outside of the inner leg)??

    Why not just change settings on air cap volume adjustment if compression is getting to high.

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    The options on the Manitou site are confusing to me.
    I have a 2016 Farley 7 and currently run 26x5 2xl's.
    If I want a fork that would allow me to run the 5 inch tires or 27.5x4.5, which option should I select?
    I see chain reaction offers 26 or 27.5 forks in 100mm or 120mm travel. Would the 120mm 27.5 give me enough clearance? I see Trek specs the new Farley 7 with an 80mm fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by headwind View Post
    The options on the Manitou site are confusing to me.
    I have a 2016 Farley 7 and currently run 26x5 2xl's.
    If I want a fork that would allow me to run the 5 inch tires or 27.5x4.5, which option should I select?
    I see chain reaction offers 26 or 27.5 forks in 100mm or 120mm travel. Would the 120mm 27.5 give me enough clearance? I see Trek specs the new Farley 7 with an 80mm fork.
    You want the EXT model....which is what some places are calling the 27.5
    If you get the 100 model.....that's the longest it will go, and you can shorten it to 80 easily..
    If you get the 120....you can go up to 140....and easily shorten it.
    And check Universalcycles....better pricing and I think they ship to Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    You want the EXT model....which is what some places are calling the 27.5
    If you get the 100 model.....that's the longest it will go, and you can shorten it to 80 easily..
    If you get the 120....you can go up to 140....and easily shorten it.
    And check Universalcycles....better pricing and I think they ship to Canada
    Thanks for explaining this!
    I'll check them out also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    In. i have a mastodon on my Fattilac.

    is there a fender for these things? my muckynuts won't work...
    Fathugger from Mudhugger works brilliantly and fits really good, just have to drill a couple of extra holes as its designed around the Bluto with the fork bridge at the front. I'm using one front & one on the rear!

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