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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Massive street cred for proper plural use of jabroni.
    It is truly sad that we live in a world where there is a need for the plural of jabroni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    It is truly sad that we live in a world where there is a need for the plural of jabroni.
    You guys are pretty funny. Perhaps I'm just easily amused. This is a really excellent fork and the more time on it the more I like it.

    You guys debating 100 vs. 120 mm should just get the longer version and adjust as needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post

    You guys debating 100 vs. 120 mm should just get the longer version and adjust as needed.
    Bingo. That is what I did.
    The 120 EXT is 1 1/2" taller than my Bluto 100.
    Yet, on my Echo...nothing but positive improvement in rocky, rooty and twisty New England.
    The only draw back is a higher top tube...which doesn't bother me now...but may when the snow gets deep. If that's the case, I can just lower the travel using the pump ( I don't need the longer travel in snow anyways)

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    ... ( I don't need the longer travel in snow anyways)
    People write that all the time but my experience is a lot different. Often times it's worse in winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    People write that all the time but my experience is a lot different. Often times it's worse in winter.
    Being just north of Boston....we wish our trails were that smooth! Post hole city!
    But...those are higher frequency bumps as opposed to bigger hits.
    Either way...it's easy to adjust the travel with a pump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aresab View Post
    I know the forks is new, but anybody using a front fender on the Mastodon yet? I may try and put different holes for the reverse arch in my Beaver Guard I'm using on my Bluto unless there is another option? After a Rock did some serious damage to my Minute Pro, I won't ride without one.
    I tried to fit the fender from my Bluto and it didn't work, reverse arch didn't play well with my attachments. I'm sure there's a way.

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    A customer is running a 4.8 Jumbo Jim on a STD 120mm, he claims no issues with fit, anyone can confirm that? He did not have any pics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    It is truly sad that we live in a world where there is a need for the plural of jabroni.
    "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

    I just love that movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I tried to fit the fender from my Bluto and it didn't work, reverse arch didn't play well with my attachments. I'm sure there's a way.
    Great, thanks for the reply. I've had Mucky Nutz fenders on my Mattoc , Nixon and Minute forks (also reverse arch);I may be able to use that and the Bluto one as templates to come up with something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LargeMan View Post
    A customer is running a 4.8 Jumbo Jim on a STD 120mm, he claims no issues with fit, anyone can confirm that? He did not have any pics!
    The only way to tell is let the air out and bottom out the fork (including the bottom out bumper) to see how close the tire comes to the crown.
    No one on here seems to know....so I ordered a 120 STD to find out.

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    Manitou Mastodon 120mm PRO STD and tyre clearance - you can find some answers here (nearly at the end of the article and only in German, but there are pics):

    Im Manitou Mastodon Pro Test fĂĽhlen wir der neuen FATBike Federgabel auf den Zahn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue66 View Post
    Manitou Mastodon 120mm PRO STD and tyre clearance - you can find some answers here (nearly at the end of the article and only in German, but there are pics):

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    Nice, plenty of room on the STD, great find!
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    Riddle me this......


    If that article is the 120mm Pro STD and it fits the Snowshoe 2XL why the need for the EXT version?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff_G View Post
    Riddle me this......


    If that article is the 120mm Pro STD and it fits the Snowshoe 2XL why the need for the EXT version?
    It is very tight with a 2XL.
    Might be tighter with some variations of the same tire. Then add in 29+ set ups.
    And bigger tires coming.....
    And finally.....liability.
    The article says they could only get 107mm travel out of the fork. There is a little more compression in the bottom out bumpers. I got 113 with low pressure and a good drop.
    The article says about 5mm between the 2XL and the crown...so....

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    Makes sense. I don't see myself purchasing anything larger than the 2XL so a Comp std 100 is what I would get for my Farley.

    Right?

    What if I buy three? Can I get a deal somewhere I wonder????

    The Pro is lighter, likely more than I need and $$$$ that I don't have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff_G View Post
    Makes sense. I don't see myself purchasing anything larger than the 2XL so a Comp std 100 is what I would get for my Farley.

    Right?

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    Here's some food for thought.
    Buy the 120 STD
    YOu can easily shorten it to 100 with the pump trick or opening it up and adding spacers.
    You could also add ( according to Dougal) a spacer under the bottom out bumper if your tire is hitting the crown.

    If you buy the 100....that's the most travel you can get. You can space down the 120 easier and have room to play with

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    I got my 120 Pro today. I wanna convert it to 140. How hard is it?

    edit: I found this video. Do you need the mattoc cassette tool?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PtIW79qN00

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    I got some loud high pitched snapping/pinging noises from my fork under heavy braking and abrupt g-outs yesterday.
    Anyone else have anything similar happen? I'm a little paranoid about something breaking..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue66 View Post
    Manitou Mastodon 120mm PRO STD and tyre clearance - you can find some answers here (nearly at the end of the article and only in German, but there are pics):

    Im Manitou Mastodon Pro Test fĂĽhlen wir der neuen FATBike Federgabel auf den Zahn.
    Yeah, that's what I figured, but the Manitou fit guide said different. Now I need to either swap parts on my EXT or sale it and get an STD.

    Anyone know timelines for parts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aresab View Post
    Great, thanks for the reply. I've had Mucky Nutz fenders on my Mattoc , Nixon and Minute forks (also reverse arch);I may be able to use that and the Bluto one as templates to come up with something.
    I got the Mucky Nutz to fit, just used a set of holes further back to mount at the arch and finagled the leg Velcro.

    The fork looks ridiculous huge with a Minion 2.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Yeah, that's what I figured, but the Manitou fit guide said different. Now I need to either swap parts on my EXT or sale it and get an STD.

    Anyone know timelines for parts?
    Air shaft is about a month out.
    If you have to open it....my plan is to play with the spacers under the bottom bumper ( even though they say not to)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kntr View Post
    I got my 120 Pro today. I wanna convert it to 140. How hard is it?

    edit: I found this video. Do you need the mattoc cassette tool?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PtIW79qN00
    You do need the tool. You can make your own from a cassette tool...but if you have to ask....you are probably better off buying the Mattoc tool kit which has the 3 sockets you need

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    You do need the tool. You can make your own from a cassette tool...but if you have to ask....you are probably better off buying the Mattoc tool kit which has the 3 sockets you need
    Thanks. The dang tool is $60. I only see the one cassette tool with the hole. What are the 3 that you are talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kntr View Post
    Thanks. The dang tool is $60. I only see the one cassette tool with the hole. What are the 3 that you are talking about?
    You are probably looking on Universal?
    That is the kit with the milled cassette tool, milled 8mm socket and the milled large socket....but they just show the cassette tool.
    I milled my own....but I have the equipment...It's worth the 60 bucks

    Buy yourself a cheap oil level tool off ebay....and some fork oil from your local motorcycle shop...and you are on your way to the exciting career of a suspension technician!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    I got some loud high pitched snapping/pinging noises from my fork under heavy braking and abrupt g-outs yesterday.
    Anyone else have anything similar happen? I'm a little paranoid about something breaking..
    I can get it to make this noise if I brake super hard, then bounce on the front. So I'm thinking it's just the hub popping when it moves slightly in the fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    I can get it to make this noise if I brake super hard, then bounce on the front. So I'm thinking it's just the hub popping when it moves slightly in the fork.
    Your hub should not be "moving slightly" in the fork.
    Check your headset....things settle in after the first rides.
    Probably best to bring it to a mechanic than ask the interwebz

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    Anyone know when the Mastodon Forks will be available in the UK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Your hub should not be "moving slightly" in the fork.
    Check your headset....things settle in after the first rides.
    Probably best to bring it to a mechanic than ask the interwebz
    Like they say, "if you gotta ask us, you best go to a real mechanic".

    Installation considerations: improper headset install/adjustment, improper brake install/adjustment, and improper install of axle.

    Yeah, it's hard to admit a mistake, but you'd be surprised what folks can miss, even when they have some skills. I was helping a buddy with problems he had on a new build, he complained of a loose headset and clunking.

    He had his lower headset bearing upside down and he had interference between his headset top cap and the clamping area from his ultra shirt stem.

    No one is perfect, but blaming the tool is generally not the answer and tends to make me raise an eyebrow.

    Now if we were talking about the FOMN or its revised brethren. I'd like lean toward tool error

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    I got some loud high pitched snapping/pinging noises from my fork under heavy braking and abrupt g-outs yesterday.
    Anyone else have anything similar happen? I'm a little paranoid about something breaking..
    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    I can get it to make this noise if I brake super hard, then bounce on the front. So I'm thinking it's just the hub popping when it moves slightly in the fork.
    What frame do you have? My crappy Fyxation has made similar noises the entire time I've owned it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I tried to fit the fender from my Bluto and it didn't work, reverse arch didn't play well with my attachments. I'm sure there's a way.
    Manitou Mastodon?-fen1.jpgManitou Mastodon?-fen2.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIke N Gear View Post
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    Yeah, I got mine done the other day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volsung View Post
    What frame do you have? My crappy Fyxation has made similar noises the entire time I've owned it.
    It's a motobecane frame. But I greased the ends of the hub and torqued the axle down and it quit making that noise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    You are probably looking on Universal?
    That is the kit with the milled cassette tool, milled 8mm socket and the milled large socket....but they just show the cassette tool.
    I milled my own....but I have the equipment...It's worth the 60 bucks

    Buy yourself a cheap oil level tool off ebay....and some fork oil from your local motorcycle shop...and you are on your way to the exciting career of a suspension technician!
    The cheapest I can find the kit is ebay. $61

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    Quote Originally Posted by kntr View Post
    Thanks. The dang tool is $60. I only see the one cassette tool with the hole. What are the 3 that you are talking about?
    Flat ground 24mm socket, 8mm thin wall and the special cassette tool are what I assume he is speaking of... a little late to the show - DOH!


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    Quote Originally Posted by BIke N Gear View Post
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    Is that the Standard or the EXT Version? How much travel, 100mm or 120mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatpeak View Post
    Is that the Standard or the EXT Version? How much travel, 100mm or 120mm?
    Ext at 100mm.

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    Has anyone played with the air cap volume adjust?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kntr View Post
    Has anyone played with the air cap volume adjust?
    I have. It can make a big difference

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    Has one of you tested a 4.8 inch tire in the standard Mastodon version 'Std.' ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kntr View Post
    Has anyone played with the air cap volume adjust?
    I put the 4 tokens on top. Otherwise it was way too linear and I would blow through the stroke. It made a big difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatpeak View Post
    Has one of you tested a 4.8 inch tire in the standard Mastodon version 'Std.' ?
    I put my 4.8" in an STD once.

    Oh wait.....wrong thread.
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    Bike N Gear - How are you finding the 100mm EXT? Also, what made you decide on 100 vs 120?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    I put the 4 tokens on top. Otherwise it was way too linear and I would blow through the stroke. It made a big difference
    What was it set at stock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kntr View Post
    What was it set at stock?
    Here you can download the PDF File with the Token/Travel/Spacer Guide.

    Look Page 9 and Page 10 in the PDF File, there you will find the stock settings.

    https://www.manitoumtb.com/wp-conten...ange-Guide.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatpeak View Post
    Here you can download the PDF File with the Token/Travel/Spacer Guide.

    Look Page 9 and Page 10 in the PDF File, there you will find the stock settings.

    https://www.manitoumtb.com/wp-conten...ange-Guide.pdf
    Those are the travel spacers, not the volume spacers.

    Volume spacers can be found here: https://www.manitoumtb.com/wp-conten...all_Set-up.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhugal View Post
    Bike N Gear - How are you finding the 100mm EXT? Also, what made you decide on 100 vs 120?
    As it was, the Bluto at 100 jacked up the front end. This fork at 100 is even longer. I didn't want to screw up the geometry of the bike even further by going to 120.

    The fork itself is far better than the Bluto.

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    Ill take it apart and see what its set at stock. I don't see where it says in the file. Where has everyone been setting theirs?

    I'm 185 and have found 80 psi feels pretty good in the 120mm setting.

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    I just got back from a ride where I rode my pro across 80 feet of unburried railroad ties and it really rustled my jimmies.
    You change your own flats? Support your LBS and pay them to instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff_G View Post
    I put my 4.8" in an STD once.

    Oh wait.....wrong thread.
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    I did a 17 mile ride today. The mastodon is so much better than the Bluto. It makes rocks and roots just disappear. I have been riding the same trails for 13 years and have been stravaing them for the last 3 or 4. I have 50 runs down one of the DH runs and today I beat my time by 10 seconds in a 3 minute DH. I couldn't believe how smooth the Mastodon made the trail feel. The Bluto would bounce around and give me blurry vision. In the 20 years I've been biking this is the best upgrade to a bike I have ever made... well besides when I tried disc brakes for the first time.

    Moral of the story... get one if you are on the fence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kntr View Post
    What was it set at stock?
    Mine was set with 1 token on top, 3 below.

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    Just received my Pro EXT 120mm from Universal, what a nice beefy fork. Came in a retail box with an April build date. I did find it odd that it came with a Mattoc spacer kit, 2 spacers and both 26 and 27.5 bottom-out cones. I'm guessing since they are so similar it's to save costs. Anyone else have the same experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aresab View Post
    Just received my Pro EXT 120mm from Universal, what a nice beefy fork. Came in a retail box with an April build date. I did find it odd that it came with a Mattoc spacer kit, 2 spacers and both 26 and 27.5 bottom-out cones. I'm guessing since they are so similar it's to save costs. Anyone else have the same experience?
    That is what Mastodons are coming with for now....and those aren't bottom out cones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    That is what Mastodons are coming with for now....and those aren't bottom out cones.
    What are they? They look just like the HBO cones from Mattoc (too lazy to go find the Mattoc box right now which should have them). The sticker say Mattoc spacer kit.

    In any event I'm glad you were able to confirm I received what I was suppose to. The kit came with 2 spacers, I read in the travel adjust you need to put the same number on the rebound and compression, is that air spring and damper side or ? If so, I'd need 4 spacers to make my 120 a 100mm to match my Bluto. I going to try it at 120 either way and if I need more I'll ring Manitou, they have been very helpful over the years I have worked with them.

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    Anyone know if you can retro a Mastodon onto an ICT and not have the crown cream the downtube when the bars are rotated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Anyone know if you can retro a Mastodon onto an ICT and not have the crown cream the downtube when the bars are rotated?
    I'm curious too...building one up now! I haven't found anything in the ICT forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Anyone know if you can retro a Mastodon onto an ICT and not have the crown cream the downtube when the bars are rotated?
    I bet it will be tight if it clears at all.

    FYI....Just put one on a Farley EX carbon.....the hi speed knob just hits the down tube. I am going to try a Salsa/ Cane Creek 3mm thicker base plate....it might just clear

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    Hey mayor. I am looking at getting one for my farley ex carbon. Did you get the std or ext?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zacatac View Post
    Hey mayor. I am looking at getting one for my farley ex carbon. Did you get the std or ext?
    It doesn't matter.....the crown is the same on either one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zacatac View Post
    Hey mayor. I am looking at getting one for my farley ex carbon. Did you get the std or ext?
    Hmmm....the 2018 Farley EX is supposed to come with a Mastodon.
    Wonder how that's gonna work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Hmmm....the 2018 Farley EX is supposed to come with a Mastodon.
    Wonder how that's gonna work.
    Maybe it will have a minor redesign of the DT/HT area.

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    So its probably won't fit the ex8 as well?

    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    I bet it will be tight if it clears at all.

    FYI....Just put one on a Farley EX carbon.....the hi speed knob just hits the down tube. I am going to try a Salsa/ Cane Creek 3mm thicker base plate....it might just clear

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohrgan View Post
    Maybe it will have a minor redesign of the DT/HT area.
    It costs a LOT of $$$$ to redo a bunch of molds. And this wasn't a big selling model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkz View Post
    So its probably won't fit the ex8 as well?
    I don't know.....trying to find one to fit.
    I was thinking about grabbing one as they are starting to pop up on close out with 2018 models coming.

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    I'd let you use mine but I'm pretty sure you're not in mn. It's an awesome bike for me but not sure it would be worth having if you have the Carbon one. Unless that was someone else's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    I bet it will be tight if it clears at all.

    FYI....Just put one on a Farley EX carbon.....the hi speed knob just hits the down tube. I am going to try a Salsa/ Cane Creek 3mm thicker base plate....it might just clear
    Use a thicker race?

    Another option if you have an internal cup that's not built into the frame, is to use an external cup which will ~5-10mm; might have to special order or use an angle set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    I bet it will be tight if it clears at all.

    FYI....Just put one on a Farley EX carbon.....the hi speed knob just hits the down tube. I am going to try a Salsa/ Cane Creek 3mm thicker base plate....it might just clear
    What happens if you take the knob off? I already need a spacer on my frame (Q2) to clear the Bluto so I'm hoping I can stack a second spacer in there. It originally looked like the compression knob had enough clearance but after a few rides/crashes there was some blue anodizing marks on the downtube. Apparently 1mm is not enough clearance.

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    Can someone talk me through the quick lowering of the travel via letting air out procedure? What is it actually doing inside? Trying to wrap my head around it before purchase. Never had a Manitou before. If there are unique terms for this feature by the brand point me to them so I can search.

    For discussion sake: 120mm Pro STD set at 90 psi want to drop to 100mm.
    "Connect shock pump, let out air and push down on fork crown to desired travel." is how I've heard it described.

    1. Aiming for the same sag total %, are you at the same or lower PSI?

    2. Has the feel of the fork settings changed? (not concerned with HTA discussions)

    3. To raise it back up, you do what? Pump it up while pulling the lowers away from the crown?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bme107 View Post
    Can someone talk me through the quick lowering of the travel via letting air out procedure? What is it actually doing inside? Trying to wrap my head around it before purchase. Never had a Manitou before. If there are unique terms for this feature by the brand point me to them so I can search.

    For discussion sake: 120mm Pro STD set at 90 psi want to drop to 100mm.
    "Connect shock pump, let out air and push down on fork crown to desired travel." is how I've heard it described.

    1. Aiming for the same sag total %, are you at the same or lower PSI?

    2. Has the feel of the fork settings changed? (not concerned with HTA discussions)

    3. To raise it back up, you do what? Pump it up while pulling the lowers away from the crown?
    Hook the pump on and that connects positive and negative air chambers. Hold fork at desired length, remove pump and that is now the new "0" position.

    You don't need to let any air out.
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    Is it possible to mount a 203 / 200mm disc for the brake on the Mastodon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatpeak View Post
    Is it possible to mount a 203 / 200mm disc for the brake on the Mastodon?
    Why wouldn't you be able to?
    It takes 180 stock.
    Order the correct mount and boom......

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    Here comes the dumbest question on the internet today.

    I commute year round on my Farley 7 (carbon fork) and therefore 80% of my miles are on the road. The remainder is offroad, singletrack etc. I'm 200+ with gear. But, I notice the weight when I have the rear rack, saddle bags etc. I also ride with what I've come to learn is a lot higher PSI than most. 13 rear 11 front for instance when I'm mostly on tar, dirt paths etc. I would run more in the front but it gets harsh coming through the handlebars.

    So, will adding the 3+ pounds to my front end be noticeable enough to bug me on my commutes? Or, will adding a 2 or 3 psi to the front offset the increased weight?

    $600 is a lot for me to spend on a bike upgrade so I appreciate the input.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aresab View Post
    Anyone know why they did not include the HBO of the Mattoc? Noting came up in my searching. I really like that feature on my Mattoc but it would not stop me from buy the Mastodon.
    I'm wondering the same. What handles bottom out on the Mastedon? Just the bumper, or is there a non adjustable HBO equivalent in the Mastedon? Looking at parts list, is there any reason one couldn't swap in the entire Mc2 ably from the Mattoc/magnum (same part numbers). I'm a suspension newbie, so I'm pretty clueless on how important the HBO is and wanting to understand the minutia of how suspension works (currently reading through the Mattoc thread).

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    It's noticable. Also without a lockout you lose more power. I'm keeping my carbon fork for winter and using the Mastodon for summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff_G View Post
    Here comes the dumbest question on the internet today.
    I'm sorry....but this isn't the dumbest question on the interwebz....or even this thread, today.
    But you tried and gave it your best.....and that's what counts.

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    Also Jeff G, I've only ridden mine at Theo and Cuyuna so far. It's good for Theo but I skipped Brownie last week. It'd be nice at Leb but probably unnecessary at Elm. Those are the only local places I ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volsung View Post
    Also Jeff G, I've only ridden mine at Theo and Cuyuna so far. It's good for Theo but I skipped Brownie last week. It'd be nice at Leb but probably unnecessary at Elm. Those are the only local places I ride.

    Hey, I know some of those trails. I'll have to keep an eye out for a Mastadon when riding now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volsung View Post
    Also Jeff G, I've only ridden mine at Theo and Cuyuna so far. It's good for Theo but I skipped Brownie last week. It'd be nice at Leb but probably unnecessary at Elm. Those are the only local places I ride.
    Theo is over half my single track miles. Some of the bumps, rocks, roots etc is why I am contemplating the shock. Especially some of the rogue trail that connects Glenwood and South. Lots of roots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff_G View Post
    Here comes the dumbest question on the internet today.

    I commute year round on my Farley 7 (carbon fork) and therefore 80% of my miles are on the road. The remainder is offroad, singletrack etc. I'm 200+ with gear. But, I notice the weight when I have the rear rack, saddle bags etc. I also ride with what I've come to learn is a lot higher PSI than most. 13 rear 11 front for instance when I'm mostly on tar, dirt paths etc. I would run more in the front but it gets harsh coming through the handlebars.

    So, will adding the 3+ pounds to my front end be noticeable enough to bug me on my commutes? Or, will adding a 2 or 3 psi to the front offset the increased weight?

    $600 is a lot for me to spend on a bike upgrade so I appreciate the input.
    Not necessary for the riding you do. Get a Lauf or stick with rigid.

    Seriously, everyday commuting on a fat bike, even in dry weather?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotooutdoors View Post
    I'm wondering the same. What handles bottom out on the Mastedon? Just the bumper, or is there a non adjustable HBO equivalent in the Mastedon? Looking at parts list, is there any reason one couldn't swap in the entire Mc2 ably from the Mattoc/magnum (same part numbers). I'm a suspension newbie, so I'm pretty clueless on how important the HBO is and wanting to understand the minutia of how suspension works (currently reading through the Mattoc thread).
    You're a suspension newb.....but you want to redesign something you don't understand?
    This fork has more features and adjustments than you will know what to do with.
    Buy it and ride it

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    Quite honestly, that came across as quite condescending, though perhaps my writing led you to believe that I just showed up at this thread and asked questions; I have spent time with parts diagrams, watching Mattoc rebuild videos, and have read most of the Mattoc thread. Just because I don't currently understand everything doesn't mean that I am unable to understand, and the "resign" aspect is a pretty big stretch, especially since the Mastedon is primarily a widened and longer-legged Mattoc/Magnum. It was more theoretical musing, perhaps to be quick dispelled by someone who took it apart and found some minutia that didn't show up on the (not very detailed) parts lists. I could see Manitou doing that down the road or as an upgrade route; they did something similar with irt for the Mattoc. I would be interested to know (back to the primary question) whether the Mastedon only has a bumper at the bottom, or if it has a way to "absorb" excess energy upon bottom-out. I don't do $600 experiments (okay, I do, but not on my own dime).

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    I bet it will be tight if it clears at all.


    FYI....Just put one on a Farley EX carbon.....the hi speed knob just hits the down tube. I am going to try a Salsa/ Cane Creek 3mm thicker base plate....it might just clear


    Have you tried the +3mm race yet? if so does it clear, planning on the same for an EX8 so will have to order one if it does clear, only problem is they are not available in the UK, would have to be special order from the US

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Not necessary for the riding you do. Get a Lauf or stick with rigid.

    Seriously, everyday commuting on a fat bike, even in dry weather?
    Yes, Seriously.

    I'm about three years into my adult bicycling hobby which I started on a Trek 8.4 DS. I have a five mile commute each way which happens to pass by fantastic single track within the Minneapolis city limits. Deer to the left of me, downtown skyline to the right. If I choose to add miles that day.

    I purchased the Farley for Winter. Rode it home from the bike shop in the fall and hit the single track. Took it easy feeling out the bike and much to my surprise I set a personal record. I was also surprised that the Farley is much lighter than the 8.4. Also surprising to me and most others I chat with is that I am only 10 to 15% slower on my commute riding the Farley vs the 8.4.

    Most importantly..... after riding the Farley for the winter I had a 25 mile ride in mild conditions so I pulled out the 8.4. Right tool for the job?

    I was five miles in and was sad.

    The Farley puts a smile on my face every time I ride it. The 8.4 has about 22 miles on it since the Farley purchase.

    The Farley has about 5,000.

    YMMV
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aresab View Post
    Anyone know why they did not include the HBO of the Mattoc? Noting came up in my searching. I really like that feature on my Mattoc but it would not stop me from buy the Mastodon.
    I'm guessing that if you compress a fat bike fork hard enough to need HBO, you're probably going to get launched by the tyre on rebound. The fork already has a very good air spring and damper which handle the vast majority of all riding impacts.

    Even on the Mattoc and Magnum most riders run HBO wide open.

    Could HBO be retrofitted? I'm sure it could with enough work. But let me know if you actually need it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    I'm guessing that if you compress a fat bike fork hard enough to need HBO, you're probably going to get launched by the tyre on rebound. The fork already has a very good air spring and damper which handle the vast majority of all riding impacts.

    Even on the Mattoc and Magnum most riders run HBO wide open.

    Could HBO be retrofitted? I'm sure it could with enough work. But let me know if you actually need it.
    Nah, it was just a question but you are probably right on a fat bike with all that tire. I do use 1 click of HBO on my Mattoc, it's a great feature. I did buy the Mastodon but wont be installing it for a bit as I'm back on my BH Lynx 6 for the summer.

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    Thanks for the response, Dougal. It makes sense for the intended use, but I (and probably a bunch of others) would use the Mastedon primarily with plus tires. But still, it sounds like HBO is likely overkill even in that case.

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    Measurements

    Looking for some measurements related to the Masties downtube clearance. I have a 2014 Carver Ti O'Beast (18 inch) I have contacted Forrest at Bikeman about fitting a Mastie but did not get an answer that inspired confidence.

    Quite frankly I would not be looking to replace the waltworks rigid fork. But unfortunately I have recently dislocated my left Ulna and do not foresee riding rigid fork in my future.

    Frame has a CK external bottom headset cup.

    Bueller?

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    Could someone clarify on this please:
    1) If I put a Mastodon Pro Extended 100mm fork on my Farley 7 - will it rub the frame?
    2) Also, I assume Mastodon can fit 29"+ with 3" tire without issues? I was going to buy Magnum Pro fork but seems with new Mastodon I can have one fork for both worlds - 26x4.8" and 29x3", correct? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mebaru View Post
    Could someone clarify on this please:
    1) If I put a Mastodon Pro Extended 100mm fork on my Farley 7 - will it rub the frame?
    2) Also, I assume Mastodon can fit 29"+ with 3" tire without issues? I was going to buy Magnum Pro fork but seems with new Mastodon I can have one fork for both worlds - 26x4.8" and 29x3", correct? Thanks.
    I can't answer #1, but for #2...

    Manitou says max doing diameter of 758 and 798 mm for the standard and extended, respectively. I think surly lists the Knard at 772mm or so, which means you should be good to go with the ext.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mebaru View Post
    Could someone clarify on this please:
    1) If I put a Mastodon Pro Extended 100mm fork on my Farley 7 - will it rub the frame?
    2) Also, I assume Mastodon can fit 29"+ with 3" tire without issues? I was going to buy Magnum Pro fork but seems with new Mastodon I can have one fork for both worlds - 26x4.8" and 29x3", correct? Thanks.
    29+ works for an EXT, no idea on the STD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mebaru View Post
    Could someone clarify on this please:
    2) Also, I assume Mastodon can fit 29"+ with 3" tire without issues? I was going to buy Magnum Pro fork but seems with new Mastodon I can have one fork for both worlds - 26x4.8" and 29x3", correct? Thanks.

    #2 4.8" fit on STD. look here https://www.mtb-news.de/forum/t/mani...stodon.847849/ and look here Im Manitou Mastodon Pro Test fĂĽhlen wir der neuen FATBike Federgabel auf den Zahn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff_G View Post
    Here comes the dumbest question on the internet today.

    I commute year round on my Farley 7 (carbon fork) and therefore 80% of my miles are on the road.
    So, will adding the 3+ pounds to my front end be noticeable enough to bug me on my commutes? Or, will adding a 2 or 3 psi to the front offset the increased weight?
    I have a Farley 7 and have only ever commuted on it in 29 x 3 form.

    Even then, it was way slower than my usual CX bike. Like 2-3 minutes over a 25 minute ride.

    You certainly don't need a Bluto if you are spending 80% of your time on pavement.
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    Not sure if this was posted in this thread, but it looks like the 120MM cannot be set lower than 120 according to Hayes Tech support. I bought the 120 with an eye on the future but not sure how much of an impact the Pro EXT will have coming from a Bluto 100. With that said, the Bluto at 100mm on my DB El Oso creates a head angle way to steep for my liking so I wanted 120, but the EXT adds another 20mm on top of that.

    Note from Hayes Tech:
    The 120 cannot be lowered to 100 because of the difference in the length of the CSA. The travel spacers that came with the fork are meant to be spares in case you lose them when changing your travel.
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    Be careful with that second article. According to a translation upthread (my German is rusty), they didn't get full travel and has 5mm clearance at the crown. Working their numbers and the diameter of a 2xl backwards, that means that a 775mm diameter tire will exactly fit at full travel. In other words, I wouldn't stick a 29+ your in the standard unless you added an additional bottom out bumper (which would lose you 10mm travel). Personally, I would stick with the ext if you plan to run 29+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aresab View Post
    Not sure if this was posted in this thread, but it looks like the 120MM cannot be set lower than 120 according to Hayes Tech support. I bought the 120 with an eye on the future but not sure how much of an impact the Pro EXT will have coming from a Bluto 100. With that said, the Bluto at 100mm on my DB El Oso creates a head angle way to steep for my liking so I wanted 120, but the EXT adds another 20mm on top of that.

    Note from Hayes Tech:
    The 120 cannot be lowered to 100 because of the difference in the length of the CSA. The travel spacers that came with the fork are meant to be spares in case you lose them when changing your travel.
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    Might be something lost in translation there. Because you can always shorten a fork in travel and ride height.

    Otherwise it wouldn't fully compress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Might be something lost in translation there. Because you can always shorten a fork in travel and ride height.

    Otherwise it wouldn't fully compress.

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    I'm thinking your right, but all I asked Manitou was "what is the spacer config to lower the Pro EXT 120mm to 100mm" and that was his reply.

    Dougal, do you have any thoughts on how to space it down to 100?

    I'm thinking 2 more spacers under air piston for a total of 5 would do it and increase negative volume.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aresab View Post
    I'm thinking your right, but all I asked Manitou was "what is the spacer config to lower the Pro EXT 120mm to 100mm" and that was his reply.

    Dougal, do you have any thoughts on how to space it down to 100?

    I'm thinking 2 more spacers under air piston for a total of 5 would do it and increase negative volume.

    Thanks!
    The easiest way to make it a 100 is attach the pump...pull the fork down 20mm and remove the pump while compressed. simple way to test if you like a 100 vs 120 length.

    Or...you can add spacers under the air piston.

    I am playing with spacers on the 120 ext now....but in a different dirction.

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    Manual says not to adjust the lower spacers, dunno why...

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    Quote Originally Posted by teemui View Post
    Manual says not to adjust the lower spacers, dunno why...

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    You can't figure that out?
    If you take out too many spacers, the longer air shaft could hit the IVA.
    It changes the air volume...which may or may not be a good thing.
    And finally....the tire could hit the crown

    If anyone with a STD wants to measure the length of their air shaft......lmk

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    The lower spacers must stay, they take of the slack for the length of the different models since lowers are common amongst all versions and are outside of the stanchions. My question was why Manitou told me I could not lower my 120 Pro EXT to 100, seems I could by adding the 2 spacers under the air piston. Since I have a Mattoc I am familiar with them and the process just the why as I doubt it would be an issue. Maybe the negative volume would be too much and it would ride odd, who knows.

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