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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    and don't forget about Mother's Day!
    Who are you? Jonshonda?
    Howell, Michigan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    The thing is, the sandwich and coffee would probably be pretty nasty, ya know, from sitting in the box for so long.

    Give Keifer a break, he's just a kid, his funds are limited, so he's mad about having splurged on another fork and probably can't afford the upgrade.

    At least we got affordable health care...
    Who the Hell is keifer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    Wait... Would it be a voucher for a ham sandwich or an actual shrink wrapped ham sandwich? And are the cupcakes assorted?

    Probably freeze dried, and I was wrong about the cupcakes -- they're actually donut holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Probably freeze dried, and I was wrong about the cupcakes -- they're actually donut holes.
    They were cupcakes....but there is a recall and they are being replaced with donut holes.
    SRAM is very good with recalls. Practice makes perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    also, i think, to keep the reverse arch from pounding through your downtube.
    Non-issue on my bike. Plenty of clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIke N Gear View Post
    Non-issue on my bike. Plenty of clearance.

    Wow -- you have a SlingShot fatbike?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Wow -- you have a SlingShot fatbike?!
    More like 2.5" of clearance when bottomed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scot_douglas View Post
    Who are you? Jonshonda?
    Just don't want the mom's left out, they are the reason we're here

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Who the Hell is keifer?
    He's the guy who thinks Manitou needs to buy us brunch.

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    Edit: Deleted. This is stupid and not worth my time.

    Stop using my name on a public forum Ben, no one knows who you're talking about. Don't patronize me. I'm a grown ass man that can afford to buy any fork that I want.

    You don't know me, so don't pretend that you do.
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    Shouldn't my fork come with a star nut?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    Shouldn't my fork come with a star nut?
    Nope. But any shop will be able to dig one up for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    Shouldn't my fork come with a star nut?
    Star nut comes with headsets. Or you can buy one for $2 at any shop....and you can pick up a pump while you're there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkers View Post
    Edit: Deleted. This is stupid and not worth my time.

    Stop using my name on a public forum Ben, no one knows who you're talking about. Don't patronize me. I'm a grown ass man that can afford to buy any fork that I want.

    You don't know me, so don't pretend that you do.
    You're not you when you're hungry.
    You need a snickers.
    Manitou doesn't include that either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    you're not you when you're hungry.
    You need a snickers.
    Manitou doesn't include that either.
    lmfao..
    I like turtles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkers View Post
    Edit: Deleted. This is stupid and not worth my time.

    Stop using my name on a public forum Ben, no one knows who you're talking about. Don't patronize me. I'm a grown ass man that can afford to buy any fork that I want.

    You don't know me, so don't pretend that you do.
    I have you blocked because your "grown up arse" is not acting so grown up.

    You get treated they way you act. In this case, you're acting closer to your shoe size than your age, which is why you're getting ridiculed.

    FYI, 22yo is a loooong ways from grown up. Listen more, post less, and when you post... post from experience.

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    Okay, I'm gonna post a little review, mostly cuz I'm bored with nothing worthwhile to do ... van is getting serviced.

    Bluto: Three different forks used on four fat bikes and a tandem fatty, 80, 100, 120. First edition through current edition, first one blew a damper, otherwise worked as advertised. For a "widened" Reba, the Bluto is functional, new damper works fine, flex and stiction are noticeable when pushed hard. It's a decent entry level fork, fine for lighter riders and recreational use.

    Wren: Three forks, 150, 150, 110, used on a Mutz and a tandem fatty. First fork blew a damper, I replaced it , then later the steerer tube came loose in the crown, replacement fork worked fine. The Wren is a good idea that suffers from poor tolerances, lackluster damper design, and in my opionion it needs improved axle/dropout design to prevent torsion and asymmetrical leg movement. The Wren is burly, and though it's a bit "loose", it takes a beating and until recently it was the only choice for hard charging, long travel, and Clydes.

    Mastodon: 120mm EXT, set at 120mm with factory set up, 60psi, mounted on a large Kona Wozo, wheels run to date 27.5 x 3.8 Minions and 29 x 3 Minions.

    The Mastodon is a high end fork, so comparing it to a Bluto or a Wren is really not rational; a fair comparison would be a Fox 34 or a Pike. The Mastodon makes my Wozo ride like my Hendrix/Pike plus bike, stability, damping, responsiveness are comparable. I like my Pike, but the Mastodon feels a little smoother, like Mikesee said, the Mastodon disappears under you so you don't think about.

    Im a huge gear fiddler, I tend to mess with fork set up during my first few rides. The Mastodon is the first fork I've ridden that I did not fiddle with until after multiple rides. Even now, all I've done is reduce pressure.

    I have not messed with the damper side, but I have had the air side apart, very simple clip system (like Wren) that is an easy to use, no mess system, and requires minimal time and effort to adjust (like Pike).

    My Wozo is designed to run an 80mm travel fork with a typical A-C, Bluto 100mm or similar, so I had some concerns about getting the Mastodon EXT 120mm fork with the added 20mm A-C on top of going up 20mm in travel. Put simply, it's not a problem.

    I like slack, but fat hardtails are typically 69-70deg hta, so going from ~69.5 hta to a 67.5 hta was a positive change, bringing the bike alive both by improving tracking at speed, also increasing rideability in tech and off jumps. Think More Playful.

    The Mastodon is stout, responsive, and well dampened.

    I like it

    Full disclosure: I have no ties to industry, I pay for all my gear, much to the disgust of my banker, the lovely and talented Mrs Nurse Ben.

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    All that typing....
    And not one mention of the pump that Manitou is stealing from us...
    Nor any suggestions as to what brunch should be provided.
    #fakenews

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post

    You get treated they way you act.
    I see people calling you out on your pompous ways in almost every thread you post in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Yep, that's why I'm not gonna get involved in discussions, comparisons, or give detailed feedback on this fork.


    Maybe next time you post your detailed feedback you should start a new thread so it can be all about you. Like we need 3 Wozo threads.

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    You win Ben. I give up. You are always right, everyone else but Mike C is always wrong. You are the best at everything and know more than the engineers that design every product ever.

    Congratulations.

    Keep me blocked and I'll keep you blocked and we'll all be a happy family again.

    Get over yourself, and take your own advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    All that typing.... And not one mention of the pump that Manitou is stealing from us... Nor any suggestions as to what brunch should be provided. #fakenews
    So what German:A forks coming also without pumps, but they have carbon stanchions and steerer. you also can choose one of 3 standards 135, 142 or retard roxpoks 150



    Nurse Ben: can you compare mastodon to latest carbon German:A Flame wide carbon version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkers View Post
    Keep me blocked and I'll keep you blocked and we'll all be a happy family again.

    .
    If you 2 jabronies have each other blocked.....how are you replying to each other?

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    Getting all a bit Trumpish in this thread

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    Do it however you want to do it. You don't owe anyone an explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smithhammer View Post
    Bingo.

    Fork looks to be the fat bike equivalent of the Mattoc - just as the Magnum is the 29+ version of the Mattoc.
    On MTBR, the reputation is infamous.

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    I love trains, it's been a while since I rode one, this should be intetesting...

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    Maybe some pertinent info would help this thread. Not much set-up documentation came with the fork.

    Set-up guide link: https://www.manitoumtb.com/wp-conten...etup-Guide.pdf

    Carry on

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    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    Maybe some pertinent info would help this thread. Not much set-up documentation came with the fork.

    Set-up guide link: https://www.manitoumtb.com/wp-conten...etup-Guide.pdf

    Carry on
    The air pressures on that chart are a little high in my book.
    I weight 165ish....with a 120 Pro ext...I'm running 50psi
    Nurse Ben said he's running 60 psi and weighs close to 200.
    YMMV

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    So that added pound over the bluto is easily compensated for by improved function?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkz View Post
    So that added pound over the bluto is easily compensated for by improved function?
    Do you think you could notice a pound?

    It's a nice, smooth and stiff fork....that does what a fork is supposed to do.

    I didn't think the Bluto was awful....and once I gave it a little love ( right amount of oil and SlickHoney in it's nether regions)....it worked pretty good

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    I have no idea if i could notice a pound. haha some people make a big deal out of a few grams so a pound sounds like a big deal. I take it people aren't noticing the pound?

    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Do you think you could notice a pound?

    It's a nice, smooth and stiff fork....that does what a fork is supposed to do.

    I didn't think the Bluto was awful....and once I gave it a little love ( right amount of oil and SlickHoney in it's nether regions)....it worked pretty good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkz View Post
    I have no idea if i could notice a pound. haha some people make a big deal out of a few grams so a pound sounds like a big deal. I take it people aren't noticing the pound?
    A seat post is like 200g and a dropper is pushing 600 in most cases. No one complains about the pound there.
    Fatbike, XC bike, Gravel Bike....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkz View Post
    I have no idea if i could notice a pound. haha some people make a big deal out of a few grams so a pound sounds like a big deal. I take it people aren't noticing the pound?
    You have a Farley EX, right?
    That's a 35 lb bike.
    I bet you like it.
    So, if it was 36 lbs.....would you hate it?
    Considering a person fluctuates a few pounds a day....

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    The air pressures on that chart are a little high in my book.
    I weight 165ish....with a 120 Pro ext...I'm running 50psi
    Nurse Ben said he's running 60 psi and weighs close to 200.
    YMMV
    Good info. I'm a little lighter than you so I used just under 50 psi and it was quite plush. Thanks, the chart would have had it in the 70s.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkz View Post
    So that added pound over the bluto is easily compensated for by improved function?
    The improvement over my recently serviced Bluto is dramatic. Completely transforms the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    Good info. I'm a little lighter than you so I used just under 50 psi and it was quite plush. Thanks, the chart would have had it in the 70s.


    The improvement over my recently serviced Bluto is dramatic. Completely transforms the bike.
    I just started playing with the IVA.....lots to play with on this fork

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smithhammer View Post
    Do you know anything about this particular train wreck?

    This is an interesting one:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montparnasse_derailment

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    Quote Originally Posted by andytiedye View Post
    Do you know anything about this particular train wreck?
    That trainwreck came with a pump.....and brunch.
    Brunch is just breakfast....but it's served with a slice of cantelope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    A seat post is like 200g and a dropper is pushing 600 in most cases. No one complains about the pound there.
    Sweet, so these forks are like having 6 dropper posts.
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Okay, I'm gonna post a little review, mostly cuz I'm bored with nothing worthwhile to do ... van is getting serviced.

    Wren: Three forks, 150, 150, 110, used on a Mutz and a tandem fatty. First fork blew a damper, I replaced it , then later the steerer tube came loose in the crown, replacement fork worked fine. The Wren is a good idea that suffers from poor tolerances, lackluster damper design, and in my opinion it needs improved axle/dropout design to prevent torsion and asymmetrical leg movement. The Wren is burly, and though it's a bit "loose", it takes a beating and until recently it was the only choice for hard charging, long travel, and Clydes.
    Your axle issues have been solved with a new bolt on rather than QR style. As you know the older problems were already corrected. The damper has also seen small changes that most people will never even realize.

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    True the ex is not light to start and I probably fluctuate in weight and amounts of gear carried by pounds. I guess I was thinking adding a pound onto the fork might be more noticeable if it effects steering input or popping the front wheel up for misc trail objects.

    I really have zero idea though so that's why I asked haha.

    The fox fork comes in closer to the bluto in weight from what I read and functions like the mammoth. So I guess mikesee didn't seem to find the weight an issue. Not sure if the weight I saw was accurate though.


    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    You have a Farley EX, right?
    That's a 35 lb bike.
    I bet you like it.
    So, if it was 36 lbs.....would you hate it?
    Considering a person fluctuates a few pounds a day....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Sweet, so these forks are like having 6 dropper posts.
    No....not really.
    Cuz we all knowz Mo' droppers....Mo' problems

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    Bluto-Mastodon side by side and my B-fat Bucksaw with 120mm fork.
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    Haha. Damn, Bluto looks like something you get at 7-11 compared to the Mastadon.
    I like turtles

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    How do you like the +20mm on the Saw?

    notice any change in handling?

    Mine arrives tomorrow... psyched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty Bits View Post
    How do you like the +20mm on the Saw?

    notice any change in handling?
    This fork is massive. I replaced a 120mm Bluto on my B-Fat Bucksaw with a Mastodon. Since I didn't change the travel it didn't change the handling. Overall I can't imagine riding this bike with a 100mm fork. Riding this weekend for the most part I didn't notice the fork which is really good. It did what it should do, and it felt stiff. It was very similar to my Fox 34 as far as stiffness and overall feel. I can't really add much more that hasn't already been said. I am looking forward to getting more time on this.
    Manitou Mastodon?-79b213bd-2acf-463b-8dd8-e4d9a304aec2_zpsthrhbfqa.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976 View Post
    This fork is massive. I replaced a 120mm Bluto on my B-Fat Bucksaw with a Mastodon. Since I didn't change the travel it didn't change the handling. Overall I can't imagine riding this bike with a 100mm fork. Riding this weekend for the most part I didn't notice the fork which is really good. It did what it should do, and it felt stiff. It was very similar to my Fox 34 as far as stiffness and overall feel. I can't really add much more that hasn't already been said. I am looking forward to getting more time on this.
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    Awesome, thanks!

    Mine comes tomorrow (should have been here last week Wednesday but UPS decided to give it a circular route from NM to NH)... can't wait to slap it on and see how it handles.

    Loving my XO1 carbon Saw... but know that the Mastodon is going to really unlock what it can do. Both 100mm travel up front and the Bluto are a disservice to that bike!

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    Some rambling after a couple hundred miles on the Mastodon Pro 120 EXT
    If it matters...I have it on a Borealis Echo and replacing a 100mm Bluto

    Weight...it's exactly 319 grams difference from my 100 Bluto RL ( 9 inch steerer, star nut, race and axle). That's less than 3/4 of a pound.

    I get 110mm of travel. I'm guessing the remaining 10 is in the bottom out bumper ( Maybe Dougal can confirm)

    With the fork compressed....the EXT still has 1 1/2 inches between a Vee Snowshoe XL and the crown. Maybe the STD would be fine for those worried about the extra A to C.
    For me...although it raised the front of the bike...I like it.

    Pressure charts are way off. I weigh 165ish and am running 50 psi ( and tweaking that )

    Playing with the IVA makes a big difference....

    I want to open it up and see what's inside for spacers,oil level etc....but I'm having too much fun riding.

    CONS....You need a allen wrench to remove the axle ( I have to remove the wheel to fit in my vehicle). But it works smooth.

    I know I'm going to lose the air cap on the bottom of the fork. I ordered one to have on hand when I do.

    It's a great fork....and I liked the Bluto....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976 View Post
    This fork is massive. I replaced a 120mm Bluto on my B-Fat Bucksaw with a Mastodon. Since I didn't change the travel it didn't change the handling. Overall I can't imagine riding this bike with a 100mm fork. Riding this weekend for the most part I didn't notice the fork which is really good. It did what it should do, and it felt stiff. It was very similar to my Fox 34 as far as stiffness and overall feel. I can't really add much more that hasn't already been said. I am looking forward to getting more time on this.
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    I have to ask because I am new to this "fork" game but if we are not too worried about 3/4 of a pound does 3/4 of an inch (+/-), the difference between the 120mm and 100mm make a huge difference to the weekend warrior?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Labs View Post
    I have to ask because I am new to this "fork" game but if we are not too worried about 3/4 of a pound does 3/4 of an inch (+/-), the difference between the 120mm and 100mm make a huge difference to the weekend warrior?
    On the interwebz....3/4 of a pound and 3/4 of an inch are huge.
    In the real world.....not so much.
    But....if you buy the 100....that's the most you get.
    If you buy the 120...you can shorten or lengthen it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Labs View Post
    I have to ask because I am new to this "fork" game but if we are not too worried about 3/4 of a pound does 3/4 of an inch (+/-), the difference between the 120mm and 100mm make a huge difference to the weekend warrior?
    I think it's all about preference. 20mm will have minimal effect on how the bike rides. Mine has been 120 since I built it, and I am happy with it that way. Where I ride and how I ride I prefer to have 120 front travel. I use it all, and I rarely have a harsh bottom out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    On the interwebz....3/4 of a pound and 3/4 of an inch are huge.
    In the real world.....not so much.
    But....if you buy the 100....that's the most you get.
    If you buy the 120...you can shorten or lengthen it.
    Thanks for the replies guys, makes sense.

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    I want the 150 Pro but cant decide on the STD or EXT. I don't want the added height of the EXT. The biggest fat tire I run is the VanHelga. I do have a 29" minion 2.5 wheelset that I run.

    Will the STD handle a 29" 2.5 Minion
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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Some rambling after a couple hundred miles on the Mastodon Pro 120 EXT
    If it matters...I have it on a Borealis Echo and replacing a 100mm Bluto

    Weight...it's exactly 319 grams difference from my 100 Bluto RL ( 9 inch steerer, star nut, race and axle). That's less than 3/4 of a pound.

    I get 110mm of travel. I'm guessing the remaining 10 is in the bottom out bumper ( Maybe Dougal can confirm)

    With the fork compressed....the EXT still has 1 1/2 inches between a Vee Snowshoe XL and the crown. Maybe the STD would be fine for those worried about the extra A to C.
    For me...although it raised the front of the bike...I like it.

    Pressure charts are way off. I weigh 165ish and am running 50 psi ( and tweaking that )

    Playing with the IVA makes a big difference....

    I want to open it up and see what's inside for spacers,oil level etc....but I'm having too much fun riding.

    CONS....You need a allen wrench to remove the axle ( I have to remove the wheel to fit in my vehicle). But it works smooth.

    I know I'm going to lose the air cap on the bottom of the fork. I ordered one to have on hand when I do.

    It's a great fork....and I liked the Bluto....

    Wait a second.... Borealis Echo... high levels of sarcasm in replies... the faint smell of bengay and Manhattans... ha! It's THE mayor!

    We're gonna be fat bike fork twinsies.

    I'm sure this will make you vomit a little in your mouth.

    But then again, I never ride, so... small chance then of such public embarrassment.

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    the faint smell of bengay and Manhattans...
    You call it faint smell....I call it distinctive odor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kntr View Post
    I want the 150 Pro but cant decide on the STD or EXT. I don't want the added height of the EXT. The biggest fat tire I run is the VanHelga. I do have a 29" minion 2.5 wheelset that I run. With the STD handle a 29" 2.5 Minion
    Maybe someone with an STD can chime in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Maybe someone with an STD can chime in?
    I don't know if that was intentional or not but it just reads funny. Good work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Maybe someone with an STD can chime in?
    Dude...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kntr View Post
    I want the 150 Pro but cant decide on the STD or EXT. I don't want the added height of the EXT. The biggest fat tire I run is the VanHelga. I do have a 29" minion 2.5 wheelset that I run.

    Will the STD handle a 29" 2.5 Minion
    The first thing that comes to mind is why is someone looking at a 150mm fork worried about an extra 20mm a-c.
    But to each his own.

    Like I said....My EXT has about 1 1/2 inches to the crown with a Vee ShoeXL...which is a big tire. So, in theory, that 2.5 Minion should fit.

    BUT....seeing the 150 has different damper rod and stanchions...it puts a twist on that theory.

    The only other area is the reverse arch...which on my bike has plenty of room. I had a funky 29er frame 10 years ago and put a DT reverse arch fork on it. It hit....and of course, it hit hard.

    I know Dan Mutz ....of Foes Mutz fame...has a few 150s at his shop in Alton, NH. Give Likin Bikin a call

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    The first thing that comes to mind is why is someone looking at a 150mm fork worried about an extra 20mm a-c.
    But to each his own.

    Like I said....My EXT has about 1 1/2 inches to the crown with a Vee ShoeXL...which is a big tire. So, in theory, that 2.5 Minion should fit.

    BUT....seeing the 150 has different damper rod and stanchions...it puts a twist on that theory.

    The only other area is the reverse arch...which on my bike has plenty of room. I had a funky 29er frame 10 years ago and put a DT reverse arch fork on it. It hit....and of course, it hit hard.

    I know Dan Mutz ....of Foes Mutz fame...has a few 150s at his shop in Alton, NH. Give Likin Bikin a call

    https://www.facebook.com/LikinBikin/...type=3&theater
    I like the way my Mutz climbs now with the 120 Bluto. If I go to the 150 Mastodon I want the STD version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kntr View Post
    I like the way my Mutz climbs now with the 120 Bluto. If I go to the 150 Mastodon I want the STD version.
    Ahhh...I got it.
    adding a 50mm taller fork will make it feel the same.
    A 70mm taller fork would just ruin everything.

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    How is the clearance on downtube with reverse arc? I have a fat boy carbon, which they didn't curve the downtube to clear crowns. I want one but concerned it won't clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenhead12 View Post
    How is the clearance on downtube with reverse arc? I have a fat boy carbon, which they didn't curve the downtube to clear crowns. I want one but concerned it won't clear.
    It should be fine. I have a couple inches on a Borealis.
    The only time I've seen issues with reverse arch is back when bikes had steep head angles and short/sharp head tube/down tube joints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kntr View Post
    I like the way my Mutz climbs now with the 120 Bluto. If I go to the 150 Mastodon I want the STD version.
    Get the 140mm STD and adjust it to taste. The Mutz really doesnt fit the tires sizes that demand an EXT, ie 29+, 4.5, etc...

    I'm kinda suprised you like the 120mm Bluto, thats shorter travel than the short travel shock setting.

    You'll like the Mastodon, it's a very nice fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Get the 140mm STD and adjust it to taste. The Mutz really doesnt fit the tires sizes that demand an EXT, ie 29+, 4.5, etc...

    I'm kinda suprised you like the 120mm Bluto, thats shorter travel than the short travel shock setting.

    You'll like the Mastodon, it's a very nice fork.
    I never said I liked the Bluto... I said, I like the way my Mutz climbs with the Bluto.

    The 150 STD will change it but the 150 EXT will really change it.

    I've had Dillinger 5s on the Mutz no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kntr View Post
    I never said I liked the Bluto... I said, I like the way my Mutz climbs with the Bluto.

    The 150 STD will change it but the 150 EXT will really change it.

    I've had Dillinger 5s on the Mutz no problem.
    So the Dillinger may be too tall, but if it fits the Bluto...

    Someone needs to pick up an STD, do some testing, and give the Mastodon virgins a little "heads up"

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    UC just replenished their stock (thanks for the VIP15 tip, somebody). I'm in on the 120mm Pro Ext. It's going on my short-CS hardtail with all of it's 4.8" wide-tired glory!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenhead12 View Post
    How is the clearance on downtube with reverse arc? I have a fat boy carbon, which they didn't curve the downtube to clear crowns. I want one but concerned it won't clear.
    Fits my Medium Carbon Fatboy with room to spare.

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    So, the 120 Pro STD is mounted up to my Bucksaw carbon.

    I only had time last night for a quick spin to the neighborhood trailhead and quick sample of some dirt... and I need to get the settings dialed in.. but even in that short bit I could tell the difference in stiffness/tracking.

    Other things to note...

    - It's quite the tight fight to get the front wheel arm past the fork leg.. in fact, you have to force it a touch to get it over the hump. It scratched up the bottom of the white "Mastadon Pro" decal. NBD, I'm probably going to take all of the decals off except for the red M.

    - You can tell you got an early version of the fork when they send you the tuning guide for a magnum pro and the spacers for the mattoc. Lol

    - Wish they printed travel/sag on the stanchions... makes set up that much easier

    Weekend weather looking beautiful... gonna get some miles in on it for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty Bits View Post
    So, the 120 Pro STD is mounted up to my Bucksaw carbon.

    I only had time last night for a quick spin to the neighborhood trailhead and quick sample of some dirt... and I need to get the settings dialed in.. but even in that short bit I could tell the difference in stiffness/tracking.

    Other things to note...

    - It's quite the tight fight to get the front wheel arm past the fork leg.. in fact, you have to force it a touch to get it over the hump. It scratched up the bottom of the white "Mastadon Pro" decal. NBD, I'm probably going to take all of the decals off except for the red M.

    - You can tell you got an early version of the fork when they send you the tuning guide for a magnum pro and the spacers for the mattoc. Lol

    - Wish they printed travel/sag on the stanchions... makes set up that much easier

    Weekend weather looking beautiful... gonna get some miles in on it for sure!
    Okay, I give up: what's a front wheel arm and what is this hump you speak of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Okay, I give up: what's a front wheel arm and what is this hump you speak of?
    Hahaha yep not very clear.

    The front wheel holder on my Thule X2 hitch rack. The fork is so wide its interfering with the arm when you try to raise it up to lock in the front wheel.

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    Anyone know why they did not include the HBO of the Mattoc? Noting came up in my searching. I really like that feature on my Mattoc but it would not stop me from buy the Mastodon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty Bits View Post
    So, the 120 Pro STD is mounted up to my Bucksaw carbon.

    Weekend weather looking beautiful... gonna get some miles in on it for sure!
    You are so proud to have a STD, aren't you.
    Hmmm...we should ride. I will bring some big tires to see what really fits the STD.
    What are you running for tires? And did you check to see what clearance you have between the crown with it depressed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty Bits View Post
    Hahaha yep not very clear.

    The front wheel holder on my Thule X2 hitch rack. The fork is so wide its interfering with the arm when you try to raise it up to lock in the front wheel.
    Shifty,
    Same rack, same issue. Instead of bringing the arm all the way to the top of the tire, at near 90 degrees, I bring the arm up to about 60 degrees, just shy of the bottom of the fork. No rubbing this way and I can't believe there is any way this is less stable for keeping the bike in place. I've had no issues and no more fork/arm rubbing.

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    one of my EXts gave me an STD once.

    DAD JOKES!

    Except I'm not a dad and I had to seek treatment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volsung View Post
    one of my EXts gave me an STD once.

    DAD JOKES!

    Except I'm not a dad and I had to seek treatment.
    ONE of your EX Ts?
    How many T girls have you had?
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    STD 140 pro ordered today from UC. Not at bad price with vip15.

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    No negative feedback on the Mastodon?

    Not suprised, Manitou did it right.

    It was worth the wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    No negative feedback on the Mastodon?

    Not suprised, Manitou did it right.

    It was worth the wait.
    What is nice is that they are building upon a solid platform. Their dorado air and MC2 dampers are very, very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    What is nice is that they are building upon a solid platform. Their dorado air and MC2 dampers are very, very good.
    I never rode a Manitou before the Mastodon now I want to replace my Pike with a Mattoc

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    Finally got my first ride on the Mastodon. First I messed around on some some small jumps and choppy terrain to get it set up. Ended up with 105 PSI air, 6 clicks OUT on the rebound, MAX on low speed and 2 clicks out on the high speed. I weigh 260 lbs.
    At first I was kind of indifferent to how it rode, but then I took a super nasty rock filled downhill run with it and I was blown away at how well it soaked up nasty rock sections. I bombed one area that had soccer ball sized rocks buried in the trail for about 30 yards and the Mastodon smoothed it out like it was nothing.
    Then I did some high speed downhill sections and man this thing tracks great. I've never ridden a fork that doesn't dive or feel like its made of marshmallows in the corners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    Finally got my first ride on the Mastodon. First I messed around on some some small jumps and choppy terrain to get it set up. Ended up with 105 PSI air, 6 clicks OUT on the rebound, MAX on low speed and 2 clicks out on the high speed. I weigh 260 lbs.
    At first I was kind of indifferent to how it rode, but then I took a super nasty rock filled downhill run with it and I was blown away at how well it soaked up nasty rock sections. I bombed one area that had soccer ball sized rocks buried in the trail for about 30 yards and the Mastodon smoothed it out like it was nothing.
    Then I did some high speed downhill sections and man this thing tracks great. I've never ridden a fork that doesn't dive or feel like its made of marshmallows in the corners.
    Are you coming from a bluto?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    No negative feedback on the Mastodon?
    Negative feedback?
    I got some:

    Who's idea was it to put the air valve at the bottom of the fork?
    I have to get down on my knees to put air in the damn thing.

    And the air valve is right next to the disc rotor.
    I have to put my sticky mits next to the rotor.

    And it's tall.
    No big deal for me....but some won't like it.

    And it weighs 319 grams more than my Bluto.
    Adding 319 grams to a bicycle will make you .034 seconds slower.( or so I have read on this forum...so it has to be true)

    Proprietary axle.....
    So when you get dumb and leave your axle where you shouldn't....you're not going to find one very easily.

    And it costs money.
    Everything should be free. Occupy Manitou!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I never rode a Manitou before the Mastodon now I want to replace my Pike with a Mattoc

    Actually, I find the Pike and the Mattoc to be very similar but the Mattoc is better in the air and on big hits. You won't use as much travel on a Mattoc for any given hit but the fork will feel bottomless. The Mattoc with the IRT mod is very, very nice. I find the Pike and Mattoc (and the old MRP Stage) to be superior to a Fox in almost every way. Pikes sell and are popular but it just boggles my mind why more people don't ride Mattoc or MRP forks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I never rode a Manitou before the Mastodon now I want to replace my Pike with a Mattoc
    Welcome to the world of good suspension! Now everything else will feel terrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator50 View Post
    Are you coming from a bluto?
    My bike was full rigid. The other forks I speak of are either 10+ year old forks, RockShox Reba, or the Bluto on a demo bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Welcome to the world of good suspension! Now everything else will feel terrible.
    Yes, isn't that the way it is!

    I decided to give up the dream; I'm breaking down my 29+ wheels in favor of 27+, so my biggest wheel will be a 26 x 4.8.

    So, I would really love to have some feedback on "test fits" for the STD fork: Does a 26 x 4.8 Minion fit an STD?

    If so, how do I change my fork fron EXT to STD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    If so, how do I change my fork fron EXT to STD?
    So the P/N's different are the damper shaft and air shaft. Both different lengths.

    It may or may not be possible to make the EXT compress lower. It will depend on the clearance of rebound-compression dampers and the internal stanchion butting.

    You can shorten your fork short-term by simply hooking on the pump, holding it at the desired height and removing the pump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    So the P/N's different are the damper shaft and air shaft. Both different lengths.

    It may or may not be possible to make the EXT compress lower. It will depend on the clearance of rebound-compression dampers and the internal stanchion butting.

    You can shorten your fork short-term by simply hooking on the pump, holding it at the desired height and removing the pump.
    I see there are different air springs for EXT...but the rebound dampers are the same for the 120-140?

    Dougal....you said earlier in this thread that you can add a spacer under the bottom out bumper ( even though the travel guide says not to)? If that's so...one could add 10mm under the bumper and take one out on top for more clearance and still have a 120 fork...and a lower ride height.


    One of the guys at Manitou told me the stanchions are different...but part #s don't show that. ( I had another of their guys tell me the castings were different at Sea Otter)

    On my 120 EXT...I have 1 1/2 " of clearance to the crown with Vee Snowshoe XL, which is a pretty tall tire.

    I think I'm going to get a STD 120 and find out what fits. I talked to them today and they do not have any air shafts in stock and won't for about a month.

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    That won't help. I want to know if my biggest tire will fit the STD. I suspect it will, I probably should have gotten the STD, but I was planning to run taller tires.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    So the P/N's different are the damper shaft and air shaft. Both different lengths.

    It may or may not be possible to make the EXT compress lower. It will depend on the clearance of rebound-compression dampers and the internal stanchion butting.

    You can shorten your fork short-term by simply hooking on the pump, holding it at the desired height and removing the pump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    On my 120 EXT...I have 1 1/2 " of clearance to the crown with Vee Snowshoe XL, which is a pretty tall tire.
    I have a 120 EXT, and I have less than an inch clearance with Buds on 80mm rims, and even the summer tires - 4.8 Jumbo Jim snakeskins on 65mm rims - have a bit less than an inch. Both setup tubeless, and both sets have been on the wheels over a year (so tires probably stretched out a bit).

    Anyway it's probably a good idea to get some more feedback before assuming that fatter tires will fit on the STD version.

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    Loving this fork! By far the smoothest yet stiffest fork I've ridden, the colors matching the 9.8 are a plus too!
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    How hard is it to change the 120 to 140 by moving spacers? Is that all that you have to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dnek1999 View Post
    Loving this fork! By far the smoothest yet stiffest fork I've ridden, the colors matching the 9.8 are a plus too!
    This may be remedial but what fork to fit the Farley geometry? I have a 7 and likely will only run the 5" or less tires on the stock 26" rims.

    My wallet is aching......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dnek1999 View Post
    Loving this fork! By far the smoothest yet stiffest fork I've ridden, the colors matching the 9.8 are a plus too!
    I have the same bike and looking to get the fork. Did you end up going with the 100mm or 120mm version for the Farley?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dnek1999 View Post
    Loving this fork! By far the smoothest yet stiffest fork I've ridden, the colors matching the 9.8 are a plus too!
    That is one mean looking bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator50 View Post
    I have the same bike and looking to get the fork. Did you end up going with the 100mm or 120mm version for the Farley?
    I went with the 120, my thinking was with about 20mm of sag I would be at the same crown-axle height.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dnek1999 View Post
    I went with the 120, my thinking was with about 20mm of sag I would be at the same crown-axle height.
    That's what I plan on doing. Have you noticed any difference? Is the front end feel high and does it affect your riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    I see there are different air springs for EXT...but the rebound dampers are the same for the 120-140?

    Dougal....you said earlier in this thread that you can add a spacer under the bottom out bumper ( even though the travel guide says not to)? If that's so...one could add 10mm under the bumper and take one out on top for more clearance and still have a 120 fork...and a lower ride height.


    One of the guys at Manitou told me the stanchions are different...but part #s don't show that. ( I had another of their guys tell me the castings were different at Sea Otter)

    On my 120 EXT...I have 1 1/2 " of clearance to the crown with Vee Snowshoe XL, which is a pretty tall tire.

    I think I'm going to get a STD 120 and find out what fits. I talked to them today and they do not have any air shafts in stock and won't for about a month.
    No problem at all with adding spacers under the B/O bumpers to increase clearance at full compression.

    2 spacers (20mm) means you're at the same clearance as the EXT. But you'll have 20mm less travel than before.

    Stanchions and lowers are the same. EXT has longer rods and a different spacer configuration. The P/N's seldom lie.
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    I know the forks is new, but anybody using a front fender on the Mastodon yet? I may try and put different holes for the reverse arch in my Beaver Guard I'm using on my Bluto unless there is another option? After a Rock did some serious damage to my Minute Pro, I won't ride without one.

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