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    So if the standard can only fit 26 x 4 tires, it's smaller than a bluto? Who's gonna want that? Maybe the few people with Full Suspension who are convinced they never want options? I'm guessing either the website is wrong or they developed the fork 5 years ago when manufacturers were telling buyers that 4" rear ends is all they need...

    Since I have a Farley, there's no question what to get. Even if my primary tire is a 27.5 x 3.5, I want to be able to slap on 4.5's for the occasional trip to the sand dunes or early winter before I change back to rigid.

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    If the Surly Bud doesn't fit the std I'm guessing 29x3 won't either.
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    So I am assuming that the EXT version will slacken the bikes HA. How can I figure out how much the HA will slacken on a Farley 9.8 with 100mm bluto?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator50 View Post
    So I am assuming that the EXT version will slacken the bikes HA. How can I figure out how much the HA will slacken on a Farley 9.8 with 100mm bluto?
    The extended version has 20mm more axle to crown height the STD version. I generally assume that 20mm more a-c results in approximately 1º slacker angles.

    RS lists the 100mm Bluto with an A-C of 511 or the same as the 100mm Mastadon STD. But if you want to run bigger than a 27.5x3.8 Hodag on your Farley, you'll need the EXT fork with 531mm A-C.

    I've got a Farley 9.6 and would be happy with a slacker headtube. But I'm not crazy about the resulting slacker seat tube angle. I need to check how much room there is to slide my seat forward. That's an easy way to change the effective ST angle if it doesn't hurt your fit.

    This is taken from the Mastadon manual.
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    From Rockshox Bluto specs online
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    FWIW, I'm not a HUGE fan of Manitou's abbreviations. If you quit extending (EXT) it, maybe you'll end up with fewer STDs. I briefly forgot this wasn't the pink bike punfest....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPK3 View Post

    RS actually lists the 100mm Bluto with an A-C of 531
    Looks to me like it lists 100mm bluto as 511. Thus, the ext will raise it by 1 degree. The 120 bluto is listed as 531.

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    Negotiator50, I caught my mistake and fixed it. But not quick enough... Found your reply as soon as I finished.
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    I'm curious...so does the EXT version not compress all of the way(i.e.. leave 20mm of exposed upper tubes at full compression) as opposed to full compression on the non EXT version?

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    Okay guys, here's the deal with the tyre size and std vs extended.

    The max tyre size is dictated by the number of spacers you have under the bottom-out bumpers. More spacers means the crown stops higher up and you can run a bigger tyre safely.
    The max height of the fork depends on std vs ext and can be reduced by spacers under the top-out bumpers if it's too tall for your frame.
    The travel you get is the distance between top-out and bottom-out.

    So if you want to run tyres a bit bigger than standard, you can add spacers under the bottom-out bumpers (10mm increments). But this will reduce travel. Which may or may not be a problem for you.

    It's all shown in the pictures in the travel change manual (page 9). But there is the complication of different stanchion lengths: https://www.manitoumtb.com/wp-conten...ange-Guide.pdf

    Bottom-Out Std Version:
    5 spacers for 80-100mm.
    1 spacer for 120-140mm.
    1 spacer for 150mm.

    You can run 20mm bigger (diameter) tyres by fitting 1 extra 10mm spacer to the above numbers. Travel is reduced by 10mm.
    You can run 40mm bigger (diameter) tyres by fitting 2 extra 10mm spacers to the above numbers. Travel is reduced by 20mm. This gives you same clearance as EXT version, but 20mm less travel.

    Look at it this way. EXT is a 20mm taller fork. You can adjust the tyre clearance of STD to the same point, but you'll be 20mm short on travel.
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    Thanks Dougal! I think I got it...nice having your words and the manual to look at to piece it all together! I am going to order one as soon as I sell my Lauf Carbonara!

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    So I think I got it with how it relates to my current Farley 9.8 with 100mm Bluto. I can go with the EXT version for tire flexibility and still get the same AC and HA as I do now but I will have to set it up with 80mm of travel. Is that correct?

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    Competion and innovation are great for the fatty market. Good news!

    So, when do the prices start to drop on the Bluto's?

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    How does the downtube clearance compare to the Bluto? Will most large frames be OK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator50 View Post
    So I think I got it with how it relates to my current Farley 9.8 with 100mm Bluto. I can go with the EXT version for tire flexibility and still get the same AC and HA as I do now but I will have to set it up with 80mm of travel. Is that correct?
    Yah basically was think this as well, i believe yah will have to be set at 80mm or at 100 and have it a bit slacker.

    Stock is 490mm, its 531mm for 100mm, so 506mm with sag.

    501mm for 80mm with sag is 480mm

    Ones a bit high, ones a bit low....
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    Anyone find out the MSRP on this thing yet?

    Curious if it competes with Bluto in price. If so, it should sell really well.

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    $650 for the comp model and $850 for the Pro model. All info is now on Manitou website.

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    Thanks! Can anyone chime in on what to expect for real world differences between the comp and pro models? I read the differences on the website, and things like "expert air" and "dorado air" airsprings mean nothing to me since I'm not at all familiar with manitou's products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    Yah basically was think this as well, i believe yah will have to be set at 80mm or at 100 and have it a bit slacker.

    Stock is 490mm, its 531mm for 100mm, so 506mm with sag.

    501mm for 80mm with sag is 480mm

    Ones a bit high, ones a bit low....
    On the fence between Bluto 100mm and Mastodon EXT Comp 100mm.

    My Salsa Mukluk is spec'd to support a suspension fork up to 511mm AC, and I plan to use 26x4.6" and 29x3.0" tires on this bike--which takes the Mastodon STD out of the picture.

    If I use a Mastodon, it will have to be configured with 80mm travel, whereas with Bluto, I can use the full 100mm.

    If I'm using my bike mostly for XC (I'm just a roadie riding on dirt), is the Mastodon worth getting over a Bluto for better performance (?) but more weight and less travel?

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    "I'm just a roadie riding on dirt."

    This describes me precisely. I bought a fatbike a few months back (Framed Minnesota 3.0) to provide me more outdoor cycling opportunities during winter, fell in love with trail riding, and added a Bluto.

    The Bluto suits me quite well. I've not had issues others have described. But, I'm a neophyte who most likely wouldn't recognize bicycle suspension nuances, even if given warning.

    Though I'm an older fellow (early 60s), I've taken to heart the road cyclist's mantra that strength to weight ratio is king. So, weighing fully wet at less than 150 lbs, I'm probably not much of a challenge to mountain bike suspension. I also, as a newbie, appreciate the simplicity of the Bluto: set sag and rebound and go.

    In any event, I've been very happy with my Bluto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireinMTB View Post
    Thanks! Can anyone chime in on what to expect for real world differences between the comp and pro models? I read the differences on the website, and things like "expert air" and "dorado air" airsprings mean nothing to me since I'm not at all familiar with manitou's products.
    Structurally Comp has 6061 stanchions instead of 7075 so they are thicker wall to get the same strength. Result is a bit more weight (200g)

    Comp uses the simpler ABS+ damper which is revalvable internally but doesn't have the same external HSC adjustment. The air spring is also different, but I don't know exactly what the differences is. It's being called "Expert Air" which is a new one to me.
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    I work at a bike shop, and this is NOT yet available through QBP, for us at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireinMTB View Post
    I work at a bike shop, and this is NOT yet available through QBP, for us at least.
    They're going through BTI but as of yesterday afternoon were still on the truck going from Wisconsin to wherever BTI is.
    You change your own flats? Support your LBS and pay them to instead.

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    Thanks man. Found 'em on BTI. Gonna order one as soon as it's in stock. Thanks again.

    I'm thinking about the standard version, in 120mm on my beargrease. It might be a bit overkill, but I like the idea of being able to go 27.5x3 with the 120mm travel and keep a decent BB height.

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    Saw the Mastadon in the wild today... man o man... a REAL fatbike trail fork!

    If I had a spare minute I would have taken it out for a spin in the lot but the kids were in the car and we had a pressing engagement with a hiking trail/

    This was the 150MM version... only one of two in existence. Mounted to the new Foes Mutz 150.

    The thing looks burly and very much trail worthy.

    Me to my Bluto... "Bye, Felicia."

    That is, as soon as I can get my grubby little mitts on one.

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    Can i choose 120 and go down to 100? Prob not, right?

    I would like to try 120 and see how it goes but my bike's geo is set up to run 100

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    The VIP15 coupon codes makes this a sweet deal.
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    So what would the effect of an extra 20mm of axel to crown distance be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkz View Post
    So what would the effect of an extra 20mm of axel to crown distance be?
    Minus one degree hta, 20mm increase bar height, minus one degree sta. If you are going from a 100mm fork to a 120mm, then double the effects.

    Good time to be slack, most fat bikes are waaay to steep to start, so slacking things out is the right way to go.

    Just ordered mine, Ext, 120mm, in purple! Bet you guys didn't see that coming

    According to my partner in crime, the eta is Friday and I got the last one from BTI in thst configuration.

    Like hotcakes, I'm tellin' ya'!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkerik View Post
    Can i choose 120 and go down to 100? Prob not, right?

    I would like to try 120 and see how it goes but my bike's geo is set up to run 100
    It'd be great if people read the travel change guide I keep linking up.

    You can space these down as much as you want. Either temporarily by just hooking on a pump or more securely with spacers inside.

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    OK cool. I have a bluto on my farley ex. Not really sure what my HTA is to start. I'd probably go from the 120 bluto to a 120 ext.
    Not sure If I am gonna do it but I really want purple haha.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Minus one degree hta, 20mm increase bar height, minus one degree sta. If you are going from a 100mm fork to a 120mm, then double the effects.

    Good time to be slack, most fat bikes are waaay to steep to start, so slacking things out is the right way to go.

    Just ordered mine, Ext, 120mm, in purple! Bet you guys didn't see that coming

    According to my partner in crime, the eta is Friday and I got the last one from BTI in thst configuration.

    Like hotcakes, I'm tellin' ya'!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    It'd be great if people read the travel change guide I keep linking up.

    You can space these down as much as you want. Either temporarily by just hooking on a pump or more securely with spacers inside.

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    Thanks for mentioning it again. I thought i read it here somewhere.

    Post #208 covers it just above!

    My 907 Whiteout feels perfect w the 69* HA w rigid fork but would not mind trying 68* w the 120mm fork. I thought i could at the very least run extra sag to get me to 100 like what i was thinking w the bluto. Encouraging though to have setup options w the Mastodon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkz View Post
    OK cool. I have a bluto on my farley ex. Not really sure what my HTA is to start. I'd probably go from the 120 bluto to a 120 ext.
    Not sure If I am gonna do it but I really want purple haha.
    Purple is available! Or you doing custom? My whiteout is purple. Nice color

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    The Pro 120 Standard Height are already sold out!!!

    NOOOOO!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post

    The Fox can easily fit 3.5ish tires, but if you want to run a true 4" tire, on anything wider than a ~60mm rim, clearance gets very tight very fast. No room for mud.
    Lots of guys running the Fox 34 27.5+ with a 4.0 tire/70mm rim with no problems on Salsa Bucksaws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teton29er View Post
    So if the standard can only fit 26 x 4 tires, it's smaller than a bluto? Who's gonna want that? Maybe the few people with Full Suspension who are convinced they never want options? I'm guessing either the website is wrong or they developed the fork 5 years ago when manufacturers were telling buyers that 4" rear ends is all they need...

    Since I have a Farley, there's no question what to get. Even if my primary tire is a 27.5 x 3.5, I want to be able to slap on 4.5's for the occasional trip to the sand dunes or early winter before I change back to rigid.
    I have the ability to run >4.0 tires on my hardtail fatty with bluto and honestly for 90% of winter riding it just isn't needed. Maybe it's needed for airing way down on the beach... but that's not something I do (despite living ~10 miles from the Atlantic ocean).

    Jumbo Jim 4.0s for year-round riding pleasure.

    Only reason to swap the tire would be to put studs on for very icy winter riding.

    FWIW, I don't think the 27.5/4.5 fits the Farley EX rear end (although I could be wrong on that).

    These ultra-wide tires are over-rated in my opinion. (and I have a set of studded Snowshoe XLs and a set of Minion FBF/FBR 4.8s).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkerik View Post
    Purple is available! Or you doing custom? My whiteout is purple. Nice color
    I guess I haven't gotten that far into the search. I saw purple as an option an manitou's site and it appears nurse Ben ordered purple from somewhere

    also by purple I mean it's mostly black but has purple accents. If there is a full purple option out there that would be awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    There are spacers included in the forks so each fork can be spaced +/-20mm. The 120mm forks can do from 140-100mm just with spacers. The 100mm forks can do 120-80mm just with spacers.

    You can, of course, do more travel adjustment than that with spacers. But the positive/negative air volumes get quite different to design point.

    This is on top of the "connect pump and put it where you want it" convenience.

    Travel adjust guide here: https://www.manitoumtb.com/wp-conten...ange-Guide.pdf
    I really-really hope that's the case as I just pulled the trigger on a 100MM Pro Standard that I want to run at 110-120 on my Bucksaw!

    The price at Universal was awesome... $679 shipped!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty Bits View Post
    The Pro 120 Standard Height are already sold out!!!

    NOOOOO!!!!!!

    Check eBay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Check eBay.
    Just bought the 100mm version and will space it to 120mm.. won't need more than that on the Bucksaw

    Assuming it really can be "Stretched" to 120mm... reading this stuff is giving me an ice-cream headache.

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    Are you guys sure that you can "stretch" the 100mm to 120? I only ask because I'm debating this now, and was under the assumption that the 120mm can be shrunk to 100mm, but not vice versa. Would make sense that it could go both ways though.

    My beargrease is 68.4HTA, i wonder if a 120mm fork would make it too slack @ 67.4? Anyone have any input on when is "too slack" for a hardtail fatty? I ride aggressively and live in the rocky mountains.

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    Frustrated!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by FireinMTB View Post
    Are you guys sure that you can "stretch" the 100mm to 120? I only ask because I'm debating this now, and was under the assumption that the 120mm can be shrunk to 100mm, but not vice versa. Would make sense that it could go both ways though.

    My beargrease is 68.4HTA, i wonder if a 120mm fork would make it too slack @ 67.4? Anyone have any input on when is "too slack" for a hardtail fatty? I ride aggressively and live in the rocky mountains.
    UGH!

    I looked at the manual to change height and it does NOT appear that the 100mm can go UP to 120mm.

    https://www.manitoumtb.com/wp-conten...ange-Guide.pdf

    "Depending on the crown steerer assembly (CSA) your fork was built with you may have a few travel
    change options. The 100 can convert down to 80mm by removing two of the 10mm spacers on the
    rebound and compression rods. The 120mm can convert to 140mm. The 150 EXT is fixed at its travel.
    EXAMPLE: The Mastodon Pro STD is set at 120 with three travel spacers. Removing one 10mm
    spacer will set it at 130. Removing two 10mm will set the fork at 140mm as seen below. "

    Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!

    I want 120mm travel!

    Dougal, you sound like you know your stuff... kind of trusted you here..

    But the manual seem to disagree with you....

    Can somebody PLEASE confirm?

    the 120mm is sold out at Universal... and I want that price on it.

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    Well...

    You can always return it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty Bits View Post
    UGH!

    I looked at the manual to change height and it does NOT appear that the 100mm can go UP to 120mm.

    https://www.manitoumtb.com/wp-conten...ange-Guide.pdf

    "Depending on the crown steerer assembly (CSA) your fork was built with you may have a few travel
    change options. The 100 can convert down to 80mm by removing two of the 10mm spacers on the
    rebound and compression rods. The 120mm can convert to 140mm. The 150 EXT is fixed at its travel.
    EXAMPLE: The Mastodon Pro STD is set at 120 with three travel spacers. Removing one 10mm
    spacer will set it at 130. Removing two 10mm will set the fork at 140mm as seen below. "

    Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!

    I want 120mm travel!

    Dougal, you sound like you know your stuff... kind of trusted you here..

    But the manual seem to disagree with you....

    Can somebody PLEASE confirm?

    the 120mm is sold out at Universal... and I want that price on it.
    Yeah sorry 80 can do 100 but not 120. I got my wires crossed there.

    For me I only buy forks for sale in the higher travel options. You can always go shorter, you can't always go longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Yeah sorry 80 can do 100 but not 120. I got my wires crossed there.

    For me I only buy forks for sale in the higher travel options. You can always go shorter, you can't always go longer.
    It technically can be done per Manitou tech support:

    "So there are some limits on that. You would need to change out the rebound damper as well as the CSA to go from 100 to 120. Look at page 5 parts 1 and 9 for the ranges."

    Fortunately I won't have to jump through those hoops as I called Universal to cancel the order.... and it turns out they had one 120mm left.

    AND

    They had already picked and shipped my order.. and they had accidentally shipped the 120 version!

    The rare "oops" in your favor.

    SO PUMPED to get this thing up and running.

    Also... something I think you're going to hear a lot of in the near future...

    "Bluto For Sale"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty Bits View Post
    It technically can be done per Manitou tech support:

    "So there are some limits on that. You would need to change out the rebound damper as well as the CSA to go from 100 to 120. Look at page 5 parts 1 and 9 for the ranges."

    Fortunately I won't have to jump through those hoops as I called Universal to cancel the order.... and it turns out they had one 120mm left.

    AND

    They had already picked and shipped my order.. and they had accidentally shipped the 120 version!

    The rare "oops" in your favor.

    SO PUMPED to get this thing up and running.

    Also... something I think you're going to hear a lot of in the near future...

    "Bluto For Sale"
    Wow! That's sweet! Could not be any better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkerik View Post
    Purple is available! Or you doing custom? My whiteout is purple. Nice color
    It was a joke son, though, I'd take it in purple if it was a choice

    My fork is slated for delivery tomorrow, fingers crossed.

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    I'm pretty sure I ordered from Universal before everyone else, yet my fork isn't supposed to ship until Tuesday..?

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    I didn't read the whole thread, but no one seems to be comparing this fork to the wren?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcycleman View Post
    I didn't read the whole thread, but no one seems to be comparing this fork to the wren?

    Only because there's no comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Only because there's no comparison.
    cool, care to elaborate?

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    I'm in. Thanks Mikesee for the ebay suggestion

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcycleman View Post
    cool, care to elaborate?

    Review here.

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    I love coming home to a suprise

    and yeah, its burly, like a Pike, but more biggerer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Review here.
    Nice review mikesee- professionally done! Too bad the Wren is wanting in refinement. I've tried the FOMN and concur with the stanchion issue, currently have a Bluto on my wider fat bike, and await the frame onto which I will put a 27.5+ Fox 34 to make a narrower fat bike. Will be interesting to see how the others receive the Mastodon, initially and over time especially. The tendency seems to be that riders get all excited about the new stuff and only months later does the lasting impression start to show, lol.
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    Nice fork, really nice fork.

    Easy set up, 180mm rotor, direct mount, Guides, perfect alignment, hard cutting steerer tube 7000 series yeah, easy set up.

    Feels decent out of the box, EXT 120mm, I'm 200#, 90psi feels good. Very plush, rebound works, damping works, graduated lock really works.

    Previous fork was a newer Bluto set at 100mm. New fork is 20mm more travel and 20mm more A-C. I thought I'd notice the ride height difference, but all I notice is the super cushy front and a way improved hta, now at ~67.5deg.

    Clearance is tighter between the down tube and crown than with the Bluto, but I still have a good 10mm of clearance.

    Gonna ride early tomorrow, so exciting, years of waiting for a decent fat bike fork, it's really about time.

    Thanks Manitou!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Nice fork, really nice fork.

    Easy set up, 180mm rotor, direct mount, Guides, perfect alignment, hard cutting steerer tube 7000 series yeah, easy set up.

    Feels decent out of the box, EXT 120mm, I'm 200#, 90psi feels good. Very plush, rebound works, damping works, graduated lock really works.

    Previous fork was a newer Bluto set at 100mm. New fork is 20mm more travel and 20mm more A-C. I thought I'd notice the ride height difference, but all I notice is the super cushy front and a way improved hta, now at ~67.5deg.

    Clearance is tighter between the down tube and crown than with the Bluto, but I still have a good 10mm of clearance.

    Gonna ride early tomorrow, so exciting, years of waiting for a decent fat bike fork, it's really about time.

    Thanks Manitou!

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    Looks great. Pro or Comp and what size rubber?

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    Quote Originally Posted by awai04 View Post
    The tendency seems to be that riders get all excited about the new stuff and only months later does the lasting impression start to show, lol.
    Yep Many here claim X is the greatest ever as soon as they get X, only to complain about issues and sell X a few months later

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacon Fat View Post
    Yep Many here claim X is the greatest ever as soon as they get X, only to complain about issues and sell X a few months later
    Yep, that's why I'm not gonna get involved in discussions, comparisons, or give detailed feedback on this fork.

    It's time the late adoptors took some responsibility for being lemmings

    Here is my review: nice fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Looks great. Pro or Comp and what size rubber?
    Pro, 120, Minion 3.8

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    you think it would be a mistake to run the 100 mm ext version with 531 crown to axel on my mukluk, while they recommend nothing over 511?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcycleman View Post
    you think it would be a mistake to run the 100 mm ext version with 531 crown to axel on my mukluk, while they recommend nothing over 511?
    Man people are getting hung up on this.

    Your bike will be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Yep, that's why I'm not gonna get involved in discussions, comparisons, or give detailed feedback on this fork.
    Hilarious!
    Oh man I needed a good laugh, Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fugsworth View Post
    Hilarious!
    Oh man I needed a good laugh, Thanks.
    Like I said, nice fork, nothing else to add.

    Edit:

    Just got back from riding, 29+ goodness:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Like I said, nice fork, nothing else to add.

    Edit:

    Just got back from riding, 29+ goodness:

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    Talk to us. Ride impressions? Further comparisons to your previous fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator50 View Post
    Talk to us. Ride impressions? Further comparisons to your previous fork?
    Nice fork, I'm satisfied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Like I said, nice fork, nothing else to add.

    Edit:

    Just got back from riding, 29+ goodness:

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    Looks like the DHF has plenty of room at the crown too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Looks like the DHF has plenty of room at the crown too.
    Yup.

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    So how is the new mastodon fork?
    Nurseben: I"m just here so I won't get fined...

    How do it affect the a/c being taller?
    Nurseben: I"m just here so I won't get fined...

    How does this fork compare to the bluto or Wren?
    Nurseben: I"m just here so I won't get fined...

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    ^^^lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by blowery View Post
    So how is the new mastodon fork?
    Nurseben: I"m just here so I won't get fined...

    How do it affect the a/c being taller?
    Nurseben: I"m just here so I won't get fined...

    How does this fork compare to the bluto or Wren?
    Nurseben: I"m just here so I won't get fined...
    Fined? I didn't know there was a penalty...

    How about this: read Miksee's review, it's all there, fork comparison's, pros and cons, he even did a cross platform comparison with a Fox. I have nothing to add

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Fined? I didn't know there was a penalty...

    How about this: read Miksee's review, it's all there, fork comparison's, pros and cons, he even did a cross platform comparison with a Fox. I have nothing to add
    So, you're posting for self-satisfaction?

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    I have had one for about a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Fined? I didn't know there was a penalty...

    How about this: read Miksee's review, it's all there, fork comparison's, pros and cons, he even did a cross platform comparison with a Fox. I have nothing to add
    Lighten up Francis...

    It was a pop-culture reference to Marshawn Lynch's response to speaking to the media.
    Now you have made me explain the joke and it's not funny.

    The Lefty is better anyway. Also, don't like the color of your bike or your incomplete grammar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Fined? I didn't know there was a penalty...

    How about this: read Miksee's review, it's all there, fork comparison's, pros and cons, he even did a cross platform comparison with a Fox. I have nothing to add
    How about YOU write a review so we don't have to read something that's center aligned.
    You change your own flats? Support your LBS and pay them to instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volsung View Post
    How about YOU write a review so we don't have to read something that's center aligned.
    And just when I thought this thread couldn't get better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blowery View Post
    Lighten up Francis...

    It was a pop-culture reference to Marshawn Lynch's response to speaking to the media.
    Now you have made me explain the joke and it's not funny.

    The Lefty is better anyway. Also, don't like the color of your bike or your incomplete grammar.
    Incompetent grammar more like it, might have something to do with not having a computer at home... all posts are by phone; so primitive.

    I didn't get the reference, sorry, I don't watch TV or pay attention to sports. I'm sure it's funny or you wouldn't have posted it.

    I kinda agree on the color choice, but when I called Kona to tell them to change the color, I said it was nurse ben calling and they connected me with a Russian Astrologer in Uzbekistan... maybe they thought I voted for the orange guy?

    Lefty, are they any good? I am so gonna dump the Mastodon and get a Lefty, I just needed your encouragement.

    Thanks for all the tips, you da man!

    Hell no I ain't doin' no damn review, wut the bleep does it matter? It's always the same arsehats, sitting on their thumbs, posting comments from their cubicle. Let them buy a Mastodon and post a review.

    This fork is straight up Manitou tech, just like you get on their other high end forks, but with a wider crown and axle spacing.

    If SRAM made a fat Pike that could be run from 80-150mm, with this kind of adjustability, would you question it's function? Hell no, a Pike is a Pike.

    Just my 0.02

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volsung View Post
    How about YOU write a review so we don't have to read something that's center aligned.
    If you knew Mike, you wouldn't have that opinion. Mike is as straight and honest as they come, at times brutally so. If Mike puts his opinion out on a public forum, its straight up.

    If folks really must have their questions answered to save them from buyer's constipation, send me a PM and I will do my best to answer said questions with proper grammar

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    Quick question...why does the Mastodon have a tooled thru axle vs. a lever thru axle? Is there an advantage to it (theft??) Typically always have tools along but seems like the lever takes forgetting a tool out of the equation. Thanks for the help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Labs View Post
    Quick question...why does the Mastodon have a tooled thru axle vs. a lever thru axle? Is there an advantage to it (theft??) Typically always have tools along but seems like the lever takes forgetting a tool out of the equation. Thanks for the help
    I had the same question,guessing it's to save some space. The width of this fork is big and having the lever hanging out there is just asking to break it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Labs View Post
    Quick question...why does the Mastodon have a tooled thru axle vs. a lever thru axle? Is there an advantage to it (theft??) Typically always have tools along but seems like the lever takes forgetting a tool out of the equation. Thanks for the help
    I'd expect stiffness/strength to be a factor. The tooled Hexlock SL axle can be a lot less hollow than the QR15.
    Easier to use with gloves too.

    I think QR is great if you're racing and losing places with each second during a tube change. But otherwise tooled has a lot of advantages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    If you knew Mike, you wouldn't have that opinion. Mike is as straight and honest as they come, at times brutally so. If Mike puts his opinion out on a public forum, its straight up.

    If folks really must have their questions answered to save them from buyer's constipation, send me a PM and I will do my best to answer said questions with proper grammar
    It has nothing to do with Mike as a person. It's all about his formating. When you stray from normal academically accepted styles that have been used for centuries things become harder to read.
    You change your own flats? Support your LBS and pay them to instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volsung View Post
    It has nothing to do with Mike as a person. It's all about his formating. When you stray from normal academically accepted styles that have been used for centuries things become harder to read.
    Wow, anal much? Isn't there a forum for language composition Nazis where you'd be much happier than here amongst all of us bicycle cavemen? Seriously, get a life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volsung View Post
    It has nothing to do with Mike as a person. It's all about his formating. When you stray from normal academically accepted styles that have been used for centuries things become harder to read.
    Don't get your point. He says this:

    "The takeaway you should get is that the differences in these forks amount to a hill of beans once they are dialed in: Both feel great -- stiff, supple, capable, adjustable -- and I could happily ride either.

    The only other difference then, comes down to the ability to run a wider range of tires in Mastodon, and for me that was the deciding factor in selling the orange bike with the Fox fork.

    Some will want more detail than that -- and they should ask specific questions below!"

    Seems pretty straightforward to me.
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    I'll be back later....I'm off to ride my Mastodon.

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    Has anyone opened one of these up yet to adjust travel?

    My Pro Ext set at 100mm still has 1" of extra stanchion above at max travel. Per Mantitou's service manual, my fork should only be adjusted downward towards 80mm. But I'm trying to figure out why spacers couldn't be removed to give 120mm without increasing the ride height at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIke N Gear View Post
    Has anyone opened one of these up yet to adjust travel?

    My Pro Ext set at 100mm still has 1" of extra stanchion above at max travel. Per Mantitou's service manual, my fork should only be adjusted downward towards 80mm. But I'm trying to figure out why spacers couldn't be removed to give 120mm without increasing the ride height at all.
    I haven't taken it apart yet, but the longer stancions( there is 2 different part numbers but niether say std or ext) and longer air spring in the extended is the reason. That extra inch is to keep a tall tire from hitting the crown.
    I have the 120 and it has about 1 inch extra also

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    I haven't taken it apart yet, but the longer stancions( there is 2 different part numbers but niether say std or ext) and longer air spring in the extended is the reason. That extra inch is to keep a tall tire from hitting the crown.
    I have the 120 and it has about 1 inch extra also

    also, i think, to keep the reverse arch from pounding through your downtube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    also, i think, to keep the reverse arch from pounding through your downtube.
    That was the first thing I checked when I mounted.....because many years ago.....

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    How do you guys fill this with air? I've never owned an air shock or fork before and my pump is only rated to 90psi..

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    How do you guys fill this with air? I've never owned an air shock or fork before and my pump is only rated to 90psi..
    shock pump. You need one

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    shock pump. You need one
    Thanks

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    The Bluto *comes* with a shock pump if you buy it aftermarket.

    Manitou is robbing you guys.


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    I'm getting a nice ride on a 120 ext pro at 60psi. I weigh 200#. No complaints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkers View Post
    The Bluto *comes* with a shock pump if you buy it aftermarket.

    Manitou is robbing you guys.


    Bluto could come with a ham sandwich and a pallet of cupcakes and it still wouldn't be worth riding.

    YMMV, clearly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I'm getting a nice ride on a 120 ext pro at 60psi. I weigh 200#. No complaints.
    I'm guessing ktmneilo is refering a tire pump....which doesn't work very well

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Bluto could come with a ham sandwich and a pallet of cupcakes and it still wouldn't be worth riding.

    YMMV, clearly...
    Wait... Would it be a voucher for a ham sandwich or an actual shrink wrapped ham sandwich? And are the cupcakes assorted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Bluto could come with a ham sandwich and a pallet of cupcakes and it still wouldn't be worth riding.

    YMMV, clearly...
    Rock Shox is really ripping us off by not supplying ham sammiches and cupcakes.
    And would it kill them to put on a pot of coffee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Rock Shox is really ripping us off by not supplying ham sammiches and cupcakes.
    And would it kill them to put on a pot of coffee?
    The thing is, the sandwich and coffee would probably be pretty nasty, ya know, from sitting in the box for so long.

    Give Keifer a break, he's just a kid, his funds are limited, so he's mad about having splurged on another fork and probably can't afford the upgrade.

    At least we got affordable health care...

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