Lightest Fatbike

Printable View

  • 02-15-2012
    playinVT
    Lightest Fatbike
    Who thinks they've got the lightest Fatbike out there? How light can you get with these beasts and how I'd you get there? Just curious. Oh, and these should be real-world weights unlike those many manufacturers choose to list!
  • 02-15-2012
    Velobike
    Yes please, let's see them!



    Weight 907 SS 26.74lbs

    Joke was I built this 907 up for a 24 hour race (BFs were temporary), but I ended up using my Pugsley in full dress mudguards etc, and I think it weighed over 40lbs in race mode.
  • 02-15-2012
    rockcrusher
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Yes please, let's see them!



    Weight 907 SS 26.74lbs

    Joke was I built this 907 up for a 24 hour race (BFs were temporary), but I ended up using my Pugsley in full dress mudguards etc, and I think it weighed over 40lbs in race mode.

    Velocity p35 rims or something? Those rims look tiny.
  • 02-15-2012
    Velobike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    Velocity p35 rims or something? Those rims look tiny.

    Bought in Australia - Dice 40mm Two Six. Popular with the DH riders about 10 years ago (been using that set of rims on various hubs for 8 years and they're still perfect). Rim weighs 790gms.
  • 02-15-2012
    deuxdiesel
    Only girls need to be concerned about a light fat bike.:rolleyes:

    (my pugs is 32.5 pounds)
  • 02-15-2012
    Drew Diller
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Only girls need to be concerned about a light fat bike.:rolleyes:

    (my pugs is 32.5 pounds)

    I'm of two minds here.

    Heavy fat bikes plow over whatever! Woo! My heaviest was more than 40 lbs.

    Heavy fat bikes are hard to carry and throw over large things =/
  • 02-15-2012
    deuxdiesel
    Agreed on the momentum issue. My wife's Wednesday weighs 36 with the Lefty, but I'm going to make a concerted effort to drop that significantly. To put it into perspective, my Pugs weighs 20% of my body weight, hers is 30%. If I can get to 30 (without the lefty) on hers without going too crazy, I'll be happy.
  • 02-15-2012
    jreinan01
    1 Attachment(s)
    28.5# 907 with real wheels :-) lol
  • 02-15-2012
    thirstywork
    1 Attachment(s)
    This was just to see what we could do with the parts we had.
  • 02-15-2012
    mtbnozpikr
    Oh my, those are nuts! How light are they if you remove the tubes and tires?
  • 02-15-2012
    Velobike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thirstywork View Post
    This was just to see what we could do with the parts we had.

    That's impressive, especially with gears.
  • 02-15-2012
    rockcrusher
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    That's impressive, especially with gears.


    What really surprised me with fat bike parts is how not heavy the wheels and tires actually are. I compared my built up Hope Pro2 with DT Comps 3x to Sun Ringle MTX33 29 rims (a hefty freeride rim) with Panaracer Rampages and WTB Dissents on it and it came within 2lbs of the Marge DH built to a Surly new hub with 14g spokes, rim strip, Larry Tire and a Surly Tube. If I chose to build up my own wheel i could easily get it lighter to where the weight difference is possibly negligible. Rubber always weighs less than metals. I would like to build a Marge lite to a Paul WHUB with DT competition or even Sapim spokes and run that tubeless. Bet it would be really close to my 29er front wheel.
  • 02-15-2012
    GTR2ebike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thirstywork View Post
    This was just to see what we could do with the parts we had.

    That will be a rough ride with no pedals but you could definitely get it lighter with some ww parts. Can't believe it's that with full gears :eek:
  • 02-15-2012
    MikeC AK
    Like it, my Muktard Susitna setup weighs 46 loaded up, or twice Thirsty's experiment.
  • 02-15-2012
    mtbnozpikr
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    What really surprised me with fat bike parts is how not heavy the wheels and tires actually are. I compared my built up Hope Pro2 with DT Comps 3x to Sun Ringle MTX33 29 rims (a hefty freeride rim) with Panaracer Rampages and WTB Dissents on it and it came within 2lbs of the Marge DH built to a Surly new hub with 14g spokes, rim strip, Larry Tire and a Surly Tube. If I chose to build up my own wheel i could easily get it lighter to where the weight difference is possibly negligible. Rubber always weighs less than metals. I would like to build a Marge lite to a Paul WHUB with DT competition or even Sapim spokes and run that tubeless. Bet it would be really close to my 29er front wheel.

    Those are surprising figures you came up with there. Two pounds extra just thinking about the moment of inertia is large but I would have expected more than that. Thanks for posting.:thumbsup:
  • 02-15-2012
    Borgschulze
    Intense Mag30 rim = ~850grams
    Nokian Gazzaloddi 26x2.6 = 1350grams
    Nokian Gazzaloddi 26x3.0 = 1550grams

    My Fatback has...

    Fat Shebas = 850grams
    Larry's = 1350grams?

    Hilarious that my Fatback wheels weigh less than some wheels people used to DH on... I used to DH on... Can't believe that... when I get my new MTB built up, it's going to feel so fast :P
  • 02-15-2012
    lamard
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thirstywork View Post
    This was just to see what we could do with the parts we had.

    no front brake, no pedals and what rims are those? more pics perhaps :confused:
  • 02-15-2012
    thirstywork
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lamard View Post
    no front brake, no pedals and what rims are those? more pics perhaps :confused:

    Those are the 50mm rims. Old style Endo's as well, which were much lighter.
  • 02-15-2012
    thickfog

    31lb, 12oz. But it's only a 1x7. Uma 90s tubeless.
  • 02-15-2012
    Devine Intervention
    1 Attachment(s)
    Not the lightest, but real world weights
    I was paying attention to weight, but not a slave to it, when building this bike. (I have a single speed and road bike for that game.) Significant savings came from E*13 crank, Marge Lite wheels, and carbon bars. Potential weight savings could be achieved with lighter pedals, stem, grips, and brakes. Realistic future weight savings may come from carbon fork and Surly light tubes. I only went the route of a titanium frame, because I could afford it and I have to work with paint quality issues all day. Current Weight: about 32 lbs.
  • 02-15-2012
    atom29
    ^those pedals and cassette aren't helping the weight either.
  • 02-15-2012
    Burnt-Orange
    my 907 is really light till I put the wheels on :)

    Sj
  • 02-16-2012
    AcuNinja
    who's got a lightweight AL Mukluk? Just curious what that beast weighs. It looks like the light bikes here so far are all ti, and the AL bikes are mostly porky. Truth?
  • 02-16-2012
    sryanak
    I have an old Ti Fatback frame like Thirstys built up between 27.5# and 29.5# depending on summer or winter wheels. Also a 2011 Mukluk at just over 30# but the two frames are only grams apart, it is my sons bike and he has to buy his own light parts. We also have a small alu Fatback and it is just under 30# also with a few heavier parts than the Ti.
  • 02-16-2012
    Shark
    Yah, bikes with "all" the parts included would be useful LOL...can't ride a bike without pedals.

    Mine pre-suspension fork was hovering right around 30 lbs. After adding the SC32 it's about a pound heavier, but way more fun to ride.
  • 02-16-2012
    cozz
    my geared 907 is 28 lbs with endo/larry and carbon forks, could get it lighter with h bars

    will weigh it once its in summer dress mode
  • 02-16-2012
    danaco
    1 Attachment(s)
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AcuNinja View Post
    who's got a lightweight AL Mukluk? Just curious what that beast weighs. It looks like the light bikes here so far are all ti, and the AL bikes are mostly porky. Truth?

    Mukluk 2 (M) modified 31.5 Lbs

    Clown Shoes
    DT Super Comp Spokes AL Nipples
    Q- Tubes
    Huskers
    Salasa hubs
    WTB Pure V Ti seat
    XT Cassette -1 (8spd)
    WB Fork
    Heavy Platform SPD's
    Magura MT8 brakes/SL Rotors
    Truvative World Cup Stem
    Super Light O2 in Tires :D
  • 02-16-2012
    besoft
    2 Attachment(s)
    Steel frame 28 pounds with pedal, light and computer mount, and bar ends
    Ox plat steel frame, sram xo 160/180 brakes, 3x9 gearing, carver carbon fork, salsa rear and paul front hubs, eggbeaters
  • 02-16-2012
    bdundee
    1 Attachment(s)
    30.5# without the frame bag and Welgo mag pedals and the Umas.
    Edit: re checked it and came out to 29.5# with the self drilled Rolling D's,HD's, and spd's in summer trim.
  • 02-17-2012
    thesilversurfer
    2012 Fatback Aluminum with Carbon fork, UMA 90's and Ritchey WCS components, without pedals is 30lbs dead.


    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/74469747@N06/6839685751/" title="IMG_0880_edited-1 by Fatbackrider, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7030/6839685751_14c608f75d.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="IMG_0880_edited-1"></a>
  • 02-17-2012
    danaco
    I gotta say I'm somewhat perplexed by some of the weights here. Mine being one of the lightes frames (Muk 2) and pretty light stuff on it inluding the lightest brakes out there, they took off over a pound alone and seeing the sub thirty weights of some bikes with similar stuff makes no sense to me. :rolleyes:
  • 02-17-2012
    shoo
    If you switched to a Fatback Carbon Fork, UMAlll's and some lighter pedals you would drop at least two pounds. Weight adds up quick on a bike. You could save two to five ounces with different spokes.



    Quote:

    Originally Posted by danaco View Post
    I gotta say I'm somewhat perplexed by some of the weights here. Mine being one of the lightes frames (Muk 2) and pretty light stuff on it inluding the lightest brakes out there, they took off over a pound alone and seeing the sub thirty weights of some bikes with similar stuff makes no sense to me. :rolleyes:

  • 02-17-2012
    Velobike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by danaco View Post
    I gotta say I'm somewhat perplexed by some of the weights here. Mine being one of the lightes frames (Muk 2) and pretty light stuff on it inluding the lightest brakes out there, they took off over a pound alone and seeing the sub thirty weights of some bikes with similar stuff makes no sense to me. :rolleyes:

    That's why I always photograph my bike on the scales...
  • 02-17-2012
    bdundee
    I've seen 100 grams in difference from one HD to another.
  • 02-17-2012
    sryanak
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by danaco View Post
    I gotta say I'm somewhat perplexed by some of the weights here. Mine being one of the lightes frames (Muk 2) and pretty light stuff on it inluding the lightest brakes out there, they took off over a pound alone and seeing the sub thirty weights of some bikes with similar stuff makes no sense to me. :rolleyes:

    Danaco, The old Ti Fatback I have saves about 750 grams between our rims, pedals, hubs, fork, seat, and cassette. I have slightly heavier brakes, Hayse Stroker Grams, but I suspect a lighter crankset, Middleburn on a Race Face BB. I also have mostly ti bolts for the all of 10 grams that saves;) So 2 pounds difference all up between the two is not impossible to believe. In summer mode it loses a bunch by going to V!Z rims at under 600 gms each.

    It has way drilled out Fat Shebas, Candy Ti pedals, Modified WTB hubs at about 500 gms for the pair, an old Fatback Ti fork, Flite TT seat, and an XTR cassette.
  • 02-17-2012
    bdundee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    That's why I always photograph my bike on the scales...

    my LBS has a cheap scale up on the ceiling so I can't get a pic. Ordered a Park scale today so I can get down to the bottom of this.
  • 02-17-2012
    thickfog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by danaco View Post
    I gotta say I'm somewhat perplexed by some of the weights here. Mine being one of the lightes frames (Muk 2) and pretty light stuff on it inluding the lightest brakes out there, they took off over a pound alone and seeing the sub thirty weights of some bikes with similar stuff makes no sense to me. :rolleyes:

    I hear ya. I wonder if some of these scales are off. Some bikes here are lighter than my rip9. And she's got some light parts. I don't get it.
  • 02-17-2012
    danaco
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thickfog View Post
    I hear ya. I wonder if some of these scales are off. Some bikes here are lighter than my rip9. And she's got some light parts. I don't get it.

    Kinda my point . I'm not outright doubting folks here, not at all but some disparities are tough to swallow ! Let's face it, I'm just jealous :D

    It's OK though, I'm used to riding a 32# full squish, it's my secret training weapon when it comes to racing, screw the training regime, rather have fun riding :)
  • 02-17-2012
    sean salach
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by danaco View Post
    I gotta say I'm somewhat perplexed by some of the weights here. Mine being one of the lightes frames (Muk 2) and pretty light stuff on it inluding the lightest brakes out there, they took off over a pound alone and seeing the sub thirty weights of some bikes with similar stuff makes no sense to me. :rolleyes:

    You would be under 30 lbs with the following 'upgrades':

    Fatback Carbon fork
    Ti bolt seat post collar
    lighter seatpost
    non-goofy(Salsa's fault) rear brake routing
    lighter pedals
    lighter cassette
    70 or 80mm rims
    no bashring

    Some of the folks with very light bikes are also running much lighter hubs than you.
  • 02-17-2012
    danaco
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sean salach View Post
    You would be under 30 lbs with the following 'upgrades':

    Fatback Carbon fork
    Ti bolt seat post collar
    lighter seatpost
    non-goofy(Salsa's fault) rear brake routing
    lighter pedals
    lighter cassette
    70 or 80mm rims
    no bashring

    Some of the folks with very light bikes are also running much lighter hubs than you.

    You are correct on all points. The rear hub is a real brick for sure, the pedals are heavy for SPD's but I like platforms for snow riding. Surprisingly, the wheels with the cown shoes are very very close to the RD set up it came with. I really like the added float and grip I get stretching out the HD's, noticeably better than the 80's.

    I am no stranger to making bikes light and know that every gram adds up. I'll save that for my racing stuff and I know that it makes a difference, ah' the mental advantage !! If I didn't do as well as I have over the years I'd say BS, but for now I'm stick'in with it.

    With the fat bike, I took out over two pounds from stock and feel that is good enough for that bike and the fun I use it for. If I were racing it that would be a different story. Like xc racing, mental advantage(as we'll as real weight wise) works well for me. For fun, heavy bikes make and keep you strong.

    And what's most important is that we ride :)

    Cheers !
  • 02-17-2012
    KP snowman
    The funny thing is ,todays fatbikes are probably around the same weight (or maybe lighter) then alot of the early MTbikes from the 80`s & early 90`s (yea yea I know I`am old) & a lot more fun to ride IMO.Plus I know when I get on my Lynskey ridgeline (23lbs ) its like WOW ,especialy going up hill.
  • 02-17-2012
    bdundee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by danaco View Post
    Kinda my point . I'm not outright doubting folks here, not at all but some disparities are tough to swallow ! Let's face it, I'm just jealous :D

    I did some checking and I could only find the weight on a Muk 3 (I realized the 2 will be lighter) frame and a med. came in right around 4.5# and my 16" Fatback came in a 3.75# with cups installed.

    Disclaimer: Don't quote me on the Fatback frame weight due to unverified scale.

    Edit: Also I am not taking it back apart to check the weight again.
  • 02-17-2012
    lamard
    fine details like butted spokes or Ti bolts help, but really i think the wheels and tires are the biggest variance. My pugs http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/1x1...ny-754981.html was 28lb 13 oz when i first built it with crazy light endo/larry that weighed it at 2600g. than i switched to a big fat larry and a 27tpi nate for the rear and it was a gain of 680g :o more recently i moved to tubeless and swapped a carver fork dropping most of the weight back off. the carver fork didn't like my hope rotors, so i swapped my 160/140 for some 160/160 avid rotors for another 70g increase.

    the devils in the details
  • 02-18-2012
    Velobike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lamard View Post
    ...the devils in the details

    That's the secret to a light build IMO.

    There's no need to spend a lot of money on delicate parts made of Unobtainium when the use of a bit of Drillium or Hackoffium does the same job.

    An example, most people don't have their seat post at full extension, and so they could cut off any excess. Your basic alloy post can end up the same weight as that fancy Ti one that you couldn't bring yourself to shorten because you'd spent so much money on it. :)

    However I will happily spend money on a lightweight part if it has the potential to be reused on another build. For example Middleburn cranks.

    My object is always to have the bike no heavier than it has to be rather than getting it as light as possible.
  • 02-18-2012
    lamard
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    spend a lot of money on delicate parts made of Unobtainium then use of a bit of Drillium or Hackoffium to complete the job.


    fixed :thumbsup:
  • 02-18-2012
    bowtiguy
    1 Attachment(s)
    2012 Large Fatback a touch under 29#'s
    I don't have a hanger scale either so I weighed everything as it went on the bike. The only weight not included was the shifter cables.. here are a a few fat bike weight specs for the weight weenies..

    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/new...e-766757.html#

    I'd cut off the KORE post ( 410mm ouch!) if it didn't creak so much at the seat mount. I hate creaking.
  • 02-18-2012
    Velobike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lamard View Post
    fixed :thumbsup:

    Yup best option. It also lightens wallets, so the overall weight of bike and rider is reduced too.
  • 02-18-2012
    cjsbike
    1 Attachment(s)
    Custom Quiring Fatbike
    Going with V8 parts, the Quiring fatbike comes in at 30.22 pounds with out the commuter gear.

    -Chad
  • 02-18-2012
    sryanak
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Yup best option. It also lightens wallets, so the overall weight of bike and rider is reduced too.

    May cause spouse to chew you out adding further weight reduction.
  • 02-18-2012
    lamard
    haha, no spouse and usually carry plastic for ultra light weight!
  • 02-21-2012
    bdundee
    2 Attachment(s)
    Winter and summer weights, both with wellgo flats plus light and gps mounts. With spds about 100g lighter and it would be very easy to shave another 1/2 pound or more off with a few lighter parts (i.e hacksaw and drill.)
  • 02-22-2012
    thickfog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Winter and summer weights, both with wellgo flats plus light and gps mounts. With spds about 100g lighter and it would be very easy to shave another 1/2 pound or more off with a few lighter parts (i.e hacksaw and drill.)

    Nice! Frigging light. Love it.
  • 02-22-2012
    Shark
    How are you liking the HD running backward in the rear? Just wondering :)
  • 02-22-2012
    Velobike
    Seeing as we are talking about the lightest fatbike, has anyone compiled a list of the frame and fork weights?
  • 02-22-2012
    Burnt-Orange
    my 907 came in at about about 34Lbs with my nates on
    I think If I work at it by adding a drop post and lefty fork I could get it up to 36 maybe 37 lbs
    it dose needs a good sturdy rack on the back so 40Lbs is not out of the question

    Sj
  • 02-22-2012
    Elvis @ Dirt Works
    my personal Pug, with Large Marges, a Larry and Nate. (w/tubes) and regular parts (X0 GripShift and X0 rear deraileur, triple front, Hayes Stroker Trail brakes).

    No silly weight saving efforts beyond the e*thirteen cranks and the Carbon SS Chub hub on the front (coz' it was there and I was feeling silly).

    Just weighed by a local weight weenie magazine editor at 34.4Lb.

    It also allowed him to clear the one climb that he's never cleared before, due to lack of traction on his Spark. (on my Pug, with a Nate at 6psi)

    Elvis.
  • 02-22-2012
    bdundee
    1 Attachment(s)
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    How are you liking the HD running backward in the rear? Just wondering :)

    Don't really know if it's better in reverse, it's the only way I've run them so far. Not sporting them in this pic but this is the conditions I've been using them in and we need all the traction we can get. btw that's SJ's 907.
  • 02-26-2012
    bikinmoto
    Can you help me answer this question, for single track riding during the summer, the marge lite rims should be better than the rolling darryls, correct? lighter but still fat enough to eat up the trail. Am I correct?
  • 02-26-2012
    bdundee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bikinmoto View Post
    Can you help me answer this question, for single track riding during the summer, the marge lite rims should be better than the rolling darryls, correct? lighter but still fat enough to eat up the trail. Am I correct?

    Yeah I think the Marge Lite would be the hot ticket for summer single track use. They should run about 60-70 grams less each then my self drilled Rolling D's.
  • 02-26-2012
    SmooveP
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Yeah I think the Marge Lite would be the hot ticket for summer single track use. They should run about 60-70 grams less each then my self drilled Rolling D's.

    I'm anxiously awaiting the new Hope hubs. I wanna do a Hope+Marge Lite+HD combo.
    Hoping the Hopes aren't hopelessly expensive. :D
  • 02-26-2012
    zombinate
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    I'm anxiously awaiting the new Hope hubs. I wanna do a Hope+Marge Lite+HD combo.
    Hoping the Hopes aren't hopelessly expensive. :D

    local bikeshop (https://www.facebook.com/angrycatfish) has one of the hope proto's in stock. They are thinking the rear will retail at $266, no update on the front yet. sounds like they are OK on a weight front too.
  • 02-26-2012
    bdundee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    I'm anxiously awaiting the new Hope hubs. I wanna do a Hope+Marge Lite+HD combo.
    Hoping the Hopes aren't hopelessly expensive. :D

    A friend of mine just built up a set for his Pugs 135/100mm hubs using WTB lazer lites and HD's. Super fast and light wheelset.
  • 02-26-2012
    cozz
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bikinmoto View Post
    Can you help me answer this question, for single track riding during the summer, the marge lite rims should be better than the rolling darryls, correct? lighter but still fat enough to eat up the trail. Am I correct?



    in my opinon yes,, ive got lm lite rear and a 47mm trials front
  • 02-26-2012
    SmooveP
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zombinate View Post
    local bikeshop (https://www.facebook.com/angrycatfish) has one of the hope proto's in stock. They are thinking the rear will retail at $266, no update on the front yet. sounds like they are OK on a weight front too.

    That would be a good price, since that's what the regular 135mm Evo's list for.
  • 02-26-2012
    davelees1
    1 Attachment(s)
    Carver Ti Frame + carbon fork = 4 lbs. 10oz. for a size 19".

    Carver Ti - Complete Build on BFL's = 30 lbs. 10oz.

    Complete write-up and spec's can be found here: snowbikes.wordpress.com
  • 02-26-2012
    Mr Pink57
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by danaco View Post
    Mukluk 2 (M) modified 31.5 Lbs

    Clown Shoes
    DT Super Comp Spokes AL Nipples
    Q- Tubes
    Huskers
    Salasa hubs
    WTB Pure V Ti seat
    XT Cassette -1 (8spd)
    WB Fork
    Heavy Platform SPD's
    Magura MT8 brakes/SL Rotors
    Truvative World Cup Stem
    Super Light O2 in Tires :D

    Just curious if you have any measurements of the Husker on a clown shoe have been curious what kind of size people get on them with this big rim.
  • 02-26-2012
    danaco
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mr Pink57 View Post
    Just curious if you have any measurements of the Husker on a clown shoe have been curious what kind of size people get on them with this big rim.

    102mm @ 6 psi
  • 02-26-2012
    danaco
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by davelees1 View Post
    Carver Ti Frame + carbon fork = 4 lbs. 10oz. for a size 19".

    Carver Ti - Complete Build on BFL's = 30 lbs. 10oz.

    Complete write-up and spec's can be found here: snowbikes.wordpress.com

    Somehow me thinks this should be in the most expensive category :p
  • 02-26-2012
    bikinmoto
    Please check out this video, the beauty of mountain biking with a fat one.

    it is in Vimeo, it is the Sandman Titanium fat bike, the video number is: 35113296
  • 02-26-2012
    davelees1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by danaco View Post
    Somehow me thinks this should be in the most expensive category :p

    It wasn't cheap, that's for sure! :)
  • 02-26-2012
    bdundee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by danaco View Post
    Somehow me thinks this should be in the most expensive category :p

    Actually the Carver Ti frame with the carbon fork are probably the best values out there for ti at least. I give Carver prompts to making Ti a little more affordable.
  • 02-26-2012
    davelees1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bikinmoto View Post
    Please check out this video, the beauty of mountain biking with a fat one.

    it is in Vimeo, it is the Sandman Titanium fat bike, the video number is: 35113296

    Here is the link: Nepali Trails with Sandman Titanium. First Details on Vimeo
  • 02-26-2012
    bikinmoto
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cozz View Post
    in my opinon yes,, ive got lm lite rear and a 47mm trials front

    So comparing the LM lite with the Darryls in regards to jumps and bumps in the trails, how does the LM lite suck up the impacts compared to Darryls, Darryls are slow but feel like butter? Opinion?
  • 02-27-2012
    Smallfurry
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by davelees1 View Post
    Carver Ti Frame + carbon fork = 4 lbs. 10oz. for a size 19".

    Carver Ti - Complete Build on BFL's = 30 lbs. 10oz.

    Complete write-up and spec's can be found here: snowbikes.wordpress.com

    Thats stunning.

    I'm putting together a Ti fatbike with blue bits. I can never stop myself going too far though (just bought blue saddle, silly smallfurry). Wish I had your judgement :thumbsup:

    Also 1+ to Carver love. They may not be offering locally (well local to you Merkins :p) built frames. But they're bringing Ti into a whole new price bracket. Plus look stunning.
  • 02-27-2012
    byknuts
    well, frame at about 1400, fork at 300.
    fatback's ti is 2000, another 400 for their carbon fork..
    not comparing the two quality-wise, just saying it's definitely not the most expensive you can make a ti frame/carbon fork'd bike ;)

    complete builds as bought form the companies will be cheaper I'm sure, but that's a 700$ price gap there.
    for that $ I'd get the carver custom built with SnS couplers, maybe the softtail seatstay cluster too, and take it everywhere.
  • 02-27-2012
    1strongone1
    5 Attachment(s)
    Schlick Cycles Northpaw
    Just finished the build today. New Schlick Cycles Northpaw, crappy Iphone pics. 24.75 ready to ride.

    I don't know why the pictures are sideways. I will get a real camera and post some better ones in an individual thread later.
  • 02-27-2012
    AcuNinja
    That's a sexy beast. Now we're talking. Let's get a full parts list on this bad girl. I bet she's tubeless, at that featherweight scale reading. Do get another thread going & post some hi-res bike porn pics.
  • 02-29-2012
    Burnt-Orange
    that thing is so light it is shooting straight up
    must be hard to ride

    Sj
  • 02-29-2012
    bdundee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SlowerJoe View Post
    that thing is so light it is shooting straight up
    must be hard to ride

    Sj

    Lots of snow Joe here we go!
  • 02-29-2012
    snowdrifter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thickfog View Post
    I hear ya. I wonder if some of these scales are off. Some bikes here are lighter than my rip9. And she's got some light parts. I don't get it.

    your rip9 has a frame close to 8lbs! alloy hardtail is like 3-4lbs.
  • 02-29-2012
    thickfog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    your rip9 has a frame close to 8lbs! alloy hardtail is like 3-4lbs.

    Yeah true. My rip9 is around 6.5 lbs. It's the old style 08. New ones are little heavier, but are they really 8 lbs? Another reason to keep mine going!
    Yeah, my small 907 weighed around 4. Some of the fatbacks are less than 4. Awesome! But the wheels and tires alone are so damn heavy.
  • 02-29-2012
    bdundee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thickfog View Post
    Yeah true. My rip9 is around 6.5 lbs. It's the old style 08. New ones are little heavier, but are they really 8 lbs? Another reason to keep mine going!
    Yeah, my small 907 weighed around 4. Some of the fatbacks are less than 4. Awesome! But the wheels and tires alone are so damn heavy.

    Yeah but then you need to throw in your 4+ pound suspension fork compared to a less then 2 pound carbon rigid fork. It's still tuff to swallow though my Fatback only weighs 5lbs more than my Niner air 9 but that's built a little solid.
  • 02-29-2012
    All Seasons Cyclist
    Reading this thread makes me feel like a NASCAR fan at a Weight Watcher meeting! My Surly Necromancer tops out at 46 pounds (Alfine hub, Slime in both Nate tires, JCPC Pedals)
  • 03-01-2012
    thickfog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    It's still tuff to swallow though my Fatback only weighs 5lbs more than my Niner air 9 but that's built a little solid.

    That's awesome. And you're running 90s which are heavier too. I wonder how much closer you could get. That would be interesting. Carbon bars, stem, cranks, seatpost, light seat, light pedals, foam grips, ti bolts, light rotors, brakes. Hmm. Within. 1.5-2lbs maybe. It'd be one expensive fatbike!


    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk
  • 03-01-2012
    bdundee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thickfog View Post
    That's awesome. And you're running 90s which are heavier too. I wonder how much closer you could get. That would be interesting. Carbon bars, stem, cranks, seatpost, light seat, light pedals, foam grips, ti bolts, light rotors, brakes. Hmm. Within. 1.5-2lbs maybe. It'd be one expensive fatbike!


    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

    That's with my over drilled RD's and Du's on with the 90's and BFL's the differnce is a little more.
  • 03-01-2012
    Moe's Tavern
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AcuNinja View Post
    who's got a lightweight AL Mukluk? Just curious what that beast weighs. It looks like the light bikes here so far are all ti, and the AL bikes are mostly porky. Truth?

    Wouldn't exactly call it lightweight but this 2010 Mukluk is 31lb 6oz when running SS, and about 1lb more when running a 1x6 setup.

    Drilling the GFS rims saved a lot. Tubless saved (dunno, exactly, but it was a lot).
    Lots of room for weight loss with heavy bars, pedals, post, tires, saddle, rims, steel rear axle, etc, etc. I but I like it how it is. Actually, I love it. Double Nate is well worth the weight, btw.:cool:

  • 03-01-2012
    wadsy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thirstywork View Post
    This was just to see what we could do with the parts we had.


    Could you post the spec please? :)

    Cheers
  • 03-05-2012
    Nothing's impossible
    The sandman hoggar, size L, as sold, was 14,8 kg, or 32,6 lbs.

    I changed the inner tyres with michelin latex C4 tubes, so now around 14 kg.
  • 03-05-2012
    sryanak
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nothing's impossible View Post
    The sandman hoggar, size L, as sold, was 14,8 kg, or 32,6 lbs.

    I changed the inner tyres with michelin latex C4 tubes, so now around 14 kg.

    Do the tires seat evenly when using these tubes? Whenever I have tried ultralight tubes in the past they would stretch and fill differently in different places causing a bump as the wheel rolled that no amount of fiddling could really solve. I was using Maxxis Flyweights so Michilen hopefully is better.
  • 03-05-2012
    Nothing's impossible
    If I use a new tire it blows in bells, After inflating to about 2 bar and deflating to the desired presure the tire works well, but i had one tire exploding pumping it in one go tot 3 bar

    If I use an older "pré stretched" tire (used for a while in a schwalbe supermotto on a normal rim, or at least pumped a few times in supermotto on a 47 mm rim the tires inflate more evenly.
  • 05-08-2012
    DFYFZX
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    Do the tires seat evenly when using these tubes? Whenever I have tried ultralight tubes in the past they would stretch and fill differently in different places causing a bump as the wheel rolled that no amount of fiddling could really solve. I was using Maxxis Flyweights so Michilen hopefully is better.

    Have you tried baby powder? My brother had the same problem with a Large Marge(not light model) and his Nate. Too much rubber on rubber was the theory so he threw some GoldBond foot powder in their and it kept it even:thumbsup:
  • 05-08-2012
    sryanak
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    Have you tried baby powder? My brother had the same problem with a Large Marge(not light model) and his Nate. Too much rubber on rubber was the theory so he threw some GoldBond foot powder in their and it kept it even:thumbsup:

    Baby Powder was there. The Maxxis tubes just had so much expanding to do that it wasn't even. They would even fold over themselves, it seemed like they were a 36er tube trying to fit into the smaller diameter. I still may try the Michelins.
  • 05-10-2012
    Morej
    2 Attachment(s)
    Just got my 2012 2x10 XL 9:zero:7 built. Weight without pedals is 29.08 Cyclevolution did an awesome job.
  • 05-10-2012
    OmaHaq
    I can tell you from the wheel perspective, the devil is in the details.

    I have a very old wheelset, but I recently re-laced my front wheel with a new hub and spokes.

    My rear wheel has nice, butted, light weight spokes and a non-disc XTR hub (Circa 2002), 44mm rims and that wheel is 1180grams. My front wheel I re-laced with a cheap-o CODA disc hub, non-butted spokes and 44mm rim... 1290grams. Before re-lacing, I think the front wheel weighed 940grams.

    Moral of the story... sum of the parts used... small changes make big gram differences.
  • 05-10-2012
    coastkid71
    Moonlander weight don`t matter in zero gravity :D
  • 05-10-2012
    Nothing's impossible
    In zero gravity weight doesn't matter, on earth, during a climb,....:rolleyes:

    But I stopped bragging about weight as I found out that a 29'er hardtail with suspended fork and offroad tires goes under 20 lbs:D
  • 05-10-2012
    nvphatty
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nothing's impossible View Post
    In zero gravity weight doesn't matter, on earth, during a climb,....:rolleyes:

    But I stopped bragging about weight as I found out that a 29'er hardtail with suspended fork and offroad tires goes under 20 lbs:D

    that would be VARY rare if true so for the masses 26-30 is more the norm.
  • 05-10-2012
    GRNH
    This is truly drool worthy. Psyched to see so many Alu and Steel frames among the Ti bling.

    Keep 'em coming. Idea for a new thread: heaviest fattie! Racks and more, let's see the Sherpas along with these Sprinters.
  • 05-10-2012
    Volsung
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by coastkid71 View Post
    Moonlander weight don`t matter in zero gravity :D

    I had my Moonlander weighing in at just under 29.5 today... with cyclocross wheels. I rode it out of the house then turned around because I felt stupid.
  • 05-11-2012
    Nothing's impossible
    NVPatthy,
    untill I turned my sandman into a 29'er the heaviest 29'er in the wide area was 12,5 kg or 27,5lbs
    I guess that the hoggar with arch rims and slant 6 tires and lots of latex will stay under 30 lbs, with
    I must add that most bikes around here are still 26'ers, it are the more ambitious guys that go for the 29'er first. On the other hand, my 11 kg 26'er fully is certainly not the lightest bike around either.