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    Awesome!!! can't wait for mine to show up...

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    Looking good Bob, i thought there might be a fight with these to get the tyre on going on the profile.

    Have you tried to take one off again ?

    My Nexties are finger breaking tight to get off... and they were the ones with the smaller BSD too.
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    would be interesting to see both nextie and these side by side with tire mounted on. looks like rim profile will give pretty different look to the wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Fresh off of the Tuna boat, 675g and 673g I was hoping for a little lighter but still respectable. It took me about a 1/2 hour to get the GC on the rim with a Clownshoe rimstrip even with Uncle ***** bead seat. Normally I would be pissed but with fat tires it was a welcomed endeavor. The best part was It fit so tight I got it to set up with a tire pump. Oh and just for reference this same tire mounted on a RD very easy and was a little sloppy.

    Hey bdundee refresh my mind again will ya please ?

    How much for a pair shipped with fees (Paypal etc ) ?

    How long from ordering till receipt ?

    How much per rim are you saving and from what rim are you coming from ?


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    Mmm looks good!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Biker View Post
    Hey bdundee refresh my mind again will ya please ?

    How much for a pair shipped with fees (Paypal etc ) ?

    How long from ordering till receipt ?

    How much per rim are you saving and from what rim are you coming from ?


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    I think it took about a month from the time I ordered, they said 20 days lead time plus 7 for shipping and it was close to that. I was on Clownshoes and with a little extra drillium those where at 970g do roughly 600 grams in savings but a narrower rim. I am hoping for a no nonsense tubeless setup like some Umas I had once before and these are looking promising. See cost below.

    Bill I haven't tried to get the tires off yet but they are stuck pretty good and still holding air with no Stans and without a good tape job but only time will tell if it's a true success.

    Product DESCRIPTION QTY(pcs) UNIT PRICE( USD) AMOUNT(USD)
    carbon 90mm wide 26er fatbike rims UD glossy and 32H(centered drilling) 2 278 556.00
    shipping cost by EMS 64.00
    paypal fee 3.5% 21.70
    TOTAL: 641.70

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    Thanks bdundee

    P.S. Hurry up and get some wheel build pics up (inc weights and specs) for us nerds will ya


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    These look great and I like the profile and weight for these over the Nextie shape
    Could well be a future purchase

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    I figured out what you guys are doing with the tires mounted onto rims with no spokes & hubs....


    cat's out of the bag!

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    Nancy told me, mine were shipping out yesterday, but I never received a notification from them. I was also told that one was 676 grams and the other was 691 grams. They weigh a little more than I hoped but I am gonna deal with that. My inner weight weenie is kicking in, but..... I have to remember FAT bike!

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    As of right now anyways these rims SUCK!! I've been at it for about an hour trying to get the damn tire off!! I got both beads to break free and I got it into the center channel but I cant get a spot started over the wall. Needs a deeper center channel or something.

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    Light-Bicycle fat 90mm carbon rim.

    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    As of right now anyways these rims SUCK!! I've been at it for about an hour trying to get the damn tire off!! I got both beads to break free and I got it into the center channel but I cant get a spot started over the wall. Needs a deeper center channel or something.
    Soap and water Danielson? Or heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adroit Rider View Post
    Soap and water Danielson?
    Dude I have soap, water, Vaseline, uncle ***** bead slip, this tire is not coming off without either cutting the tire or breaking the rim!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    As of right now anyways these rims SUCK!! I've been at it for about an hour trying to get the damn tire off!! I got both beads to break free and I got it into the center channel but I cant get a spot started over the wall. Needs a deeper center channel or something.
    Ahhh.... Nextie channel size ???

    Got the confirmation this morning, the new Nextie rims have held tubeless on Bud, Lou, Nate and V-rubber, they are back in production.

    I thought it was going to be tight on the LB's, but didn't think about getting the bead started to take the tyre off

    Ever think we are Guinea Pigs in the game of carbon fatbike rim testing.

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    Got it!! Put the carbon to the test and just man handled it, should be easier next time but my buddies will think somethings up if they see the jar of Vaseline in my frame bag.

    Yeah Bill I agree, sometimes it feels like we are the consumer and the R&D department all in one.

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    Between the posts of shark and bundee, I'm laughing. I'm sure glad that there are people like Bill and Bob in the world who are willing to go the extra mile to make sure that when I get my wheels, they are good.

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    I have been in correspondence with Nancy from LB and I think they are interested in fixing this problem. Any reports with tire fitting and removal would be greatly appreciated. Hell maybe it's just the Specialized tires but I am a scared to try my other tires on especially since they are all wire bead.

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    A belt sander could knock the sidewall diameter down a few mm pretty quick...

    (Seriously, it's an option)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfiler View Post
    A belt sander could knock the sidewall diameter down a few mm pretty quick...

    (Seriously, it's an option)
    That's so much of an issue as needing a way deeper channel in the middle. Hell I couldn't even get it over the hump before it gets to the sidewall. It doesn't look like it should be that tight but this same GC I tried on a RD was fairly loose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I have been in correspondence with Nancy from LB and I think they are interested in fixing this problem. Any reports with tire fitting and removal would be greatly appreciated. Hell maybe it's just the Specialized tires but I am a scared to try my other tires on especially since they are all wire bead.
    if you think they're tight, try Dunlop superbike tires on $4,000 carbon rims... I get your reluctance to muscle them on & off, but carbon fiber is a lot more durable than you would think intuitively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    if you think they're tight, try Dunlop superbike tires on $4,000 carbon rims... I get your reluctance to muscle them on & off, but carbon fiber is a lot more durable than you would think intuitively.
    Yeah I came to that understanding that carbon is a lot tougher than I thought but this was more of the case where I physically couldn't do it. Now I learned a little technique but I don't think I cold do it at 0 deg or in the middle of the woods at 80deg with misquettos attacking. I am no big feller but I am not tiny either and I was literally jumping on the tires with my shoes on and that was the easy part. I couldn't get the tire lever under the bead and pull it over to the sidewall to get it up and over. Like I said thought I got the technique down so maybe it will work out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    That's so much of an issue as needing a way deeper channel in the middle. Hell I couldn't even get it over the hump before it gets to the sidewall. It doesn't look like it should be that tight but this same GC I tried on a RD was fairly loose.
    Interesting. I wouldn't have guessed that the center channel depth made any difference when installing or removing a fat tire. Getting the tire bead over the rim sidewall would seem like the limiting dimensions. The BSD diameter and sidewall height are what governs how easy that is.

    When removing a tire, I never unseat the opposite side first, just lever off whatever side needs to come off. The other side stays where it is at. But I guess I haven't even done that in a long time. With tubeless being so effective, the only time my tire levers get used anymore are when replacing worn out rubber.

    Do you find it necessary to unseat both sides of the tire and use the center groove during removal? Is that only for this tire/rim combination or is it something you always do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfiler View Post
    Interesting. I wouldn't have guessed that the center channel depth made any difference when installing or removing a fat tire. Getting the tire bead over the rim sidewall would seem like the limiting dimensions. The BSD diameter and sidewall height are what governs how easy that is.

    When removing a tire, I never unseat the opposite side first, just lever off whatever side needs to come off. The other side stays where it is at. But I guess I haven't even done that in a long time. With tubeless being so effective, the only time my tire levers get used anymore are when replacing worn out rubber.

    Do you find it necessary to unseat both sides of the tire and use the center groove during removal? Is that only for this tire/rim combination or is it something you always do?
    Tire beads do not stretch (at least not very much) so the extra room has to come from somewhere and that's where the channel comes in. I think you are using a channel of some sort more that you realize. For this tire rim combo I need to unseat both sides so I can push part of the tire towards the outside with the tire lever under the bead. Without the tire being in the channel there is no may possible to even get a lever under the bead. A normal skinny rim I would unseat one side and get it in the channel and stick the lever under it and pop it off. With the wide rims the channel in 40mm from the side so I need to get under it in the center and work it out the 40mm to where the lever becomes effective and I can pop it off. Sorry it's just hard to explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Sorry it's just hard to explain.
    Knew exactly what you were saying back up on post #211... vividly pictured it.

    The very thing we try to achieve with foam only foam is a linear "channel" and the whole tyre bead can be moved over to the edge and popped over the rim bead, the tyre must sit in the centre channel/valley on the carbon to give enough slack to even have a chance to get the bead over the rim bead, therefore stretching the tyre bead, it must pull tight across the "hump" on the LB rims make it effin tight to get over the rim bead and release the tyre.

    You never know Bob, maybe we can get into the fatbike-hall-of-fame for being the fall guys of the Chinese carbon rim movement
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post

    You never know Bob, maybe we can get into the fatbike-hall-of-fame for being the fall guys of the Chinese carbon rim movement
    Or a big I'm an idiot cap, either way it's fun though

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    Mate, a couple of hundred bucks for carbon wheels AND the places we buy them from stand by their product better than many of the big companies we pay a premium for name only. I have had awesome customer service from ENVE but i'll never spend $3000 on a set of wheels ever again.

    These guys are selling us basically untested stuff and taking our feedback 100%, then doing something about it.

    I feel bad for them in a way as the tyre bead consistency is crap.

    Anyones bike make pinkbike lately ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    ...Anyones bike make pinkbike lately ?
    There's always a badge for being first. Don't get too snooty now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Or a big I'm an idiot cap, either way it's fun though
    I guess I'll take my idiot cap too. My LB rims came in today. I am lacing them next week to Industry Nine Torch Fat Hubs with Sapim CX-Ray spokes. I know I went waaayyy overboard on this build, but its all for fun. I'll let you know how they build up and how the tire mounting and tubeless endeavor goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Mate, a couple of hundred bucks for carbon wheels AND the places we buy them from stand by their product better than many of the big companies we pay a premium for name only. I have had awesome customer service from ENVE but i'll never spend $3000 on a set of wheels ever again.

    These guys are selling us basically untested stuff and taking our feedback 100%, then doing something about it.

    I feel bad for them in a way as the tyre bead consistency is crap.

    Anyones bike make pinkbike lately ?

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    I agree with all of this and a big CONGRATULATIONS Bill on the Pinkbike, that is a huge honor and my new screen saver.

    Quote Originally Posted by bpd131 View Post
    I guess I'll take my idiot cap too. My LB rims came in today. I am lacing them next week to Industry Nine Torch Fat Hubs with Sapim CX-Ray spokes. I know I went waaayyy overboard on this build, but its all for fun. I'll let you know how they build up and how the tire mounting and tubeless endeavor goes.
    Did you try on tire on one yet.

    edit: oops I didn't read enough you sorry

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    I wonder how Bud and Lou would come on and off that rim....they're pretty liberal in the looseness category. If some one tries it let me know....I'm going to buy a set of the LB's in the Fall, to lighten my lead sled Moonlander.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphazz View Post
    There's always a badge for being first. Don't get too snooty now.
    was just sharing in case you's were interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
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    Factory JF who did the design and the fabrication, a great supplier. That's the origin. Ask them to get all info on hookless.
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    Wait, are you guys kidding about the PinkBike thing? Anyone can get an account on there and throw together a blog post, it doesn't mean it's making front page or anything, just that it... exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScaryJerry View Post
    Wait, are you guys kidding about the PinkBike thing? Anyone can get an account on there and throw together a blog post, it doesn't mean it's making front page or anything, just that it... exists.
    Why do you need to go pee on someones wheaties right away, I'm still impressed so shush!!

    Oh Nancy said the engineers said to build the wheel and the tire will get easier to remove, not buying it but it's worth a shot and I've been wrong many times before.

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    I fail to see how a tire on a built wheel will be easier to remove, that doesn't make any sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    I fail to see how a tire on a built wheel will be easier to remove, that doesn't make any sense to me.
    Possibly the tension slightly reduces the diameter of the rim. Never measured it, but possible.
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    carbon flexes a lot under tension. 1mm shorter radius makes a big difference.

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    I will know soon but when you compress a circle the excess has to go somewhere, doesn't it?

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    Exactly what I'm thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I will know soon but when you compress a circle the excess has to go somewhere, doesn't it?
    Maybe it's a specially designed feature.

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    Compressible carbon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jisch View Post
    Compressible carbon?
    The new line of underwear, nuttin like a carbon banana hammock to get the party rolling. I like it!!

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    Light-Bicycle fat 90mm carbon rim.-image.jpg. 1176g

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbontubulars View Post
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    Dt rev. Brass nipples.
    Get er done and throw a tire on that bad boy!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScaryJerry View Post
    Wait, are you guys kidding about the PinkBike thing? Anyone can get an account on there and throw together a blog post, it doesn't mean it's making front page or anything, just that it... exists.
    Who cares !!! It was only a bit of a joke. More about the pic of my bike... Thanks for pointing it out, I'm sure it must have been playing on your mind.
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    Looking great ! Get em on and get some pics up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    Possibly the tension slightly reduces the diameter of the rim. Never measured it, but possible.
    Stans Crests are famous for losing tension when you fit a tyre. A newly built set tensioned to ~110kgf can lose 30kgf easily when a tubeless tyre is inflated on the rim.

    So definitely there is a good case for reducing the size of the hoop when applying tension to it... dunno if it would be noticeably easier to fit a tyre though.
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    I just laced up mine and final tensioning is done. LB rims with CX-Ray spokes on Torch hubs. Front 1041 grams and rear is 1191 grams. Not taped tubeless yet. I am gonna try to tape and get one aired up tonite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpd131 View Post
    I just laced up mine and final tensioning is done. LB rims with CX-Ray spokes on Torch hubs. Front 1041 grams and rear is 1191 grams. Not taped tubeless yet. I am gonna try to tape and get one aired up tonite.
    Don't worry about taping it up just throw a tire on it first, hopefully it's OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Looking great ! Get em on and get some pics up.



    Stans Crests are famous for losing tension when you fit a tyre. A newly built set tensioned to ~110kgf can lose 30kgf easily when a tubeless tyre is inflated on the rim.

    So definitely there is a good case for reducing the size of the hoop when applying tension to it... dunno if it would be noticeably easier to fit a tyre though.
    Interesting, now that you mention this I have read something on that. Do you know if it's a fairly even loss all around or just a few spots?

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    ALL wire spoked wheels lose spoke tension when you inflate a tire on them.

    I think LB is optimistic that a too-tight BSD will be "fixed" by this.

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    These look like a good upgrade from 80s if your bike will not take 100. Has anyone built a set?

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    OK, first I will say this. bdundee is 100% correct. There is either not deep enough center channel relief in the middle of these rims AND/OR the "shelf" extending from the BSD extends too far to the center channel. Either adjustment of the mold should improve this area. Removing these tires is going to be a nightmare, and damn near impossible to do in the middle of a ride.

    As far my build goes, the rims built up pretty good. They built up with 1-1.5mm variance with even tension. I can definitely live with that, especially on fat wheels. Some of the variance is definitely in the carbon also. I found this to be true with a different set of LB rims I built, ironically, they are both first run production too. I taped them up tubeless using a a blue strapping tape that I found online somewhere. This tape APPEARS to be the same tape Specialized used to use on their tubeless wheels a few years ago. It was not available in 4" wide, so I used 3" wide to cover the center channel and out over the spoke holes. I think with properly applied pressure that would be all that is needed to seal these rims. However, because I heard of how tough the tire was to remove from the rim, I decided to not take chances with a bad seal and I also ran a 1" wide strip of this tape from the BSD's, and maybe a little up the edge, out over the spoke hole area. I did this extra strip to avoid problems with the edge of the 3" piece lifting and causing a leak. Note: I ran one single layer of each of these tubeless tapes. Total tape weight is 30-40 grams. I pulled the tire off the Specialized wheel, which was extremely easy, and directly mounted it on this new LB wheels, which was a pain in the a$$. The Specialized Ground Control tire sealed instantly and immediately started popping on the BSD, the last two "pops" onto the BSD were very forceful, almost scary. It sealed instantly. I did not even shake sealant around, I just put the wheels on the bike, adjusted the brakes and derailleur and left it over night. This morning they were still inflated and ready to go.

    So all in all the rims build up easily and pretty well. They tape up easily and seal fantastic. Mounting was difficult by comparison to the Specialized rims and I presume the removing the tire is going to be impossible.

    Now for a weight comparison to my custom built Specialized wheels. I built my Specialized rim on 907 hubs with Wheelsmith DB spokes. I taped them tubeless with Pegasus Auto leading edge tape which was thick and heavy (100-125 grams), but you need this type of tape because the rims are single wall at the spokes, so the spoke heads stick up and create a very uneven surface for tape and it DID NOT come in 4" wide to go edge to edge tape. You can not tape the Specialized rim the same way I taped the LB rim, wrinkles would have never allowed a good seal using multiple layers. Front wheel to front wheel weight was approximately 190-200 grams difference, rear was about the same. Rim was 100 grams lighter, tape was 50-75 grams lighter, spokes were 15-20 grams lighter. The Torch hubs were very similar, front was a few grams lighter and rear was a few grams heavier, so it was a wash, but gained a lot in points of engagement in the rear hub.

    In then end my bike was just shy of a pound lighter with these wheels. Keep in mind that my Specialized wheels were already custom built too and I had saved somewhere in the range of 2.25-2.5 pounds over the stock wheels with tubes that com on the bike.

    Sorry I did not take picture as I was building, because as my life goes, I am squeezing the moments in just get the build up. It took from Friday night until Sunday night to complete this transfer, with 15 minutes here and there to get it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpd131 View Post
    OK, first I will say this. bdundee is 100% correct. There is either not deep enough center channel relief in the middle of these rims AND/OR the "shelf" extending from the BSD extends too far to the center channel. Either adjustment of the mold should improve this area. Removing these tires is going to be a nightmare, and damn near impossible to do in the middle of a ride.

    Could you send LB an email and inform them of this problem, it would be better for them to hear from 2 people on this? I like to switch tires and this will make it not really possible.

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    Nice work bdp, sounds like a small adjustment to the mould is what's needed (if that's possible without a whole new mould)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Could you send LB an email and inform them of this problem, it would be better for them to hear from 2 people on this? I like to switch tires and this will make it not really possible.
    I was actually just chatting with Nancy. She left the chat before the conversation was over, must have been disconnected somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Nice work bdp, sounds like a small adjustment to the mould is what's needed (if that's possible without a whole new mould)
    I hope they do fix it and send me another pair. I honestly feel I will have to get new tires if I flat.


    bdundee....... how did you get the tire off the rim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpd131 View Post
    I hope they do fix it and send me another pair. I honestly feel I will have to get new tires if I flat.


    bdundee....... how did you get the tire off the rim?
    Broke both beads loose (aka jumped on it with shoes on) Put Vaseline on the hump, used a park tool tire lever and stuck it under the bead while in the channel area. Then I pushed from the opposite side that the lever was under to work the tire over the hump while keeping the lever under the bead until it gets close to the wall and pry the bead over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Broke both beads loose (aka jumped on it with shoes on) Put Vaseline on the hump, used a park tool tire lever and stuck it under the bead while in the channel area. Then I pushed from the opposite side that the lever was under to work the tire over the hump while keeping the lever under the bead until it gets close to the wall and pry the bead over.
    Wow, knowing the amount of room there, I'm surprised you didn't break the lever or the rim.

    On another note, Nancy took the initiative and emailed me to follow up with the concerns I had. I explained a few things to her, but more importantly, she took the initiative. Hopefully this shows they are concerned and want to fix any problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpd131 View Post
    Hopefully this shows they are concerned and want to fix any problems.
    I had a QA issue with one set of my LB29er wheels and it was dealt with very professionally. I would be very surprised if they didn't sort this out for you.

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    Broke both beads loose (aka jumped on it with shoes on) Put Vaseline on the hump, used a park tool tire lever and stuck it under the bead while in the channel area. Then I pushed from the opposite side that the lever was under to work the tire over the hump while keeping the lever under the bead until it gets close to the wall and pry the bead over.
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    They want to lower the center channel down to 9mm and I keep telling them that is not enough to go a lot deeper. Also not sure of the humps, maybe they could be a little less drastic. On one hand they make the tire set up with a floor pump and with help the tire from burping but on the other hand it makes it damn near impossible to break the bead. Anymore feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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    How much do you reckon the centre channel would have to be dropped to ?
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    every mm you drop it should give you 6.28mm of slack in the tire bead give or take so I would say 2mm should make a huge difference 3 would probably be perfect
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    How much do you reckon the centre channel would have to be dropped to ?
    That is the question and I don't know, LB wants to drop it .5 mm which I don't think will help. I wouldn't think it would hurt anything to go extra deep but I am not a rim expert. The problem is the variance in tire bead circumference and I don't have any other Kevlar beaded tire on hand right now except for Ground Controls.

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    Is the CSA drawing pretty close, those "humps" on each side, are they as pronounced as the drawing shows ?

    If they are, they could be dropped a bit without affecting tyre sealing and make the tyre removal a whole lot easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Is the CSA drawing pretty close, those "humps" on each side, are they as pronounced as the drawing shows ?

    If they are, they could be dropped a bit without affecting tyre sealing and make the tyre removal a whole lot easier.
    Yeah it looks pretty close, and yes I agree they should drop the hump some.

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    Are the humps not a big part of what should be great about this rim though? The ability to set up a bead with just a floor pump or a mini pump on the trail would be an amazing thing. Would a deeper channel not correct the tire removal issue while allowing for easy setting of the bead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidthefridgeguy View Post
    Are the humps not a big part of what should be great about this rim though? The ability to set up a bead with just a floor pump or a mini pump on the trail would be an amazing thing. Would a deeper channel not correct the tire removal issue while allowing for easy setting of the bead?
    Yup I agree but the question is do they need to be so high to accomplish that job. The other issue as far as doing it trail side is just trying to get the bead to break loose. It took me an hour to do so without a hub on it sitting flat on a floor and literally jumping on it with shoes and using soapy water. I don't know if I could have done it in the woods. Could be different with other tires maybe?

    Yes a deeper channel would solve most of the problem though and a touch wider would be nice as well.

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    still hoping I get to see that some day LOL
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    I've been speaking with Nancy via email, and she is definitely trying to come up with a solution. I told her my thought of 2-3mm deeper and 5-10mm wider on the center channel. She seems receptive and genuinely interested.

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    I'm going to set mine up tubeless and being it might be a temporary thing I hate to waste my fat Stans. I wonder if I could just put a narrow strip over each row of holes? Anyone have any ideas on this, I get one shot at this cuz I ain't taking the tire off again.

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    Thats how I would do it. That way your not making the tire any tighter and it is lighter. I would pull it very tight and have some good overlap so it sticks to itself well.

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    I'm going to set mine up tubeless and being it might be a temporary thing I hate to waste my fat Stans. I wonder if I could just put a narrow strip over each row of holes? Anyone have any ideas on this, I get one shot at this cuz I ain't taking the tire off again.
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    The tape I used was so thin, thinner than stans, that I do not think it inhibited tire seating or unseating at all. It might actually help because it's slippery and smooth, unlike the sanded carbon.

    On another note, Nancy is very interested in making this rim better, we have been corresponding daily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpd131 View Post
    The tape I used was so thin, thinner than stans, that I do not think it inhibited tire seating or unseating at all. It might actually help because it's slippery and smooth, unlike the sanded carbon.

    On another note, Nancy is very interested in making this rim better, we have been corresponding daily.
    Yeah good point, that sanded carbon makes it sumb*tch.

    Thanks for speaking with Nancy, I have talked to her quit a bit but I don't always communicate the best.

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    I rode my Fat boy with the new wheels yesterday. All I can say is it was great ride. No problems. I have Matte UD finish and they just look mean. And holy points of engagement on those torch hubs, and coasting, they make some noise.

    Yes, I have the same situation with Nancy, but she sent me a new diagram and I put some markings on it to explain a few things, so hopefully it gets clearer for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpd131 View Post
    I rode my Fat boy with the new wheels yesterday. All I can say is it was great ride. No problems. I have Matte UD finish and they just look mean. And holy points of engagement on those torch hubs, and coasting, they make some noise.

    Yes, I have the same situation with Nancy, but she sent me a new diagram and I put some markings on it to explain a few things, so hopefully it gets clearer for her.
    With this hookless design, esp. with this very comfortable size 90mm, the rim designers of the factory were all quite sure that these fat rims work safely. You may rest assured with that normally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bktide View Post
    With this hookless design, esp. with this very comfortable size 90mm, the rim designers of the factory were all quite sure that these fat rims work safely. You may rest assured with that normally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    i have no doubt these rims will work safely but are they willing to ship the whole factory of china men overto help me change a tire in the middle of a bug filled woods at 90deg
    lmfao

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    Are these the $280 rims that can be painted? And are they available now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    Are these the $280 rims that can be painted? And are they available now?
    Painting costs almost nothing. That's a piece of cake for every factory in China.........Many foreign riders asked to put their names on the bikes, which costs some bucks, about 70$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    Are these the $280 rims that can be painted? And are they available now?
    Possibly... but i reckon you are talking about the Nextie rims. There is a thread on the main page.
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    Taped and aired up my LB's tonight with Ground Controls, ended up going with fat Stans due to the fact that just putting 2 regular width Stans tape was pissing me off. So far they have been holding @ 20psi for an hour with no sealant. I know that doesn't really count for much but it is cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Taped and aired up my LB's tonight with Ground Controls, ended up going with fat Stans due to the fact that just putting 2 regular width Stans tape was pissing me off. So far they have been holding @ 20psi for an hour with no sealant. I know that doesn't really count for much but it is cool.
    How wide does is "Fat Stan's" tape? I haven't seen it anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bktide View Post
    Painting costs almost nothing. That's a piece of cake for every factory in China.........Many foreign riders asked to put their names on the bikes, which costs some bucks, about 70$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpd131 View Post
    How wide does is "Fat Stan's" tape? I haven't seen it anywhere.
    I had some left over from Fatback for a set of Uma 90's and I ordered another roll from Cycle Haven that was for Clownshoes but its only a couple of mm wider than the Fatback stuff. I will need to trim it some but that only takes a minute with a razor blade.

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    2300g with hope hubs 190mm rear, Sapim Laser spokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    2300g with hope hubs 190mm rear, Sapim Laser spokes.

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    They look great. I think I should have gone with gloss. Probably would have blended nicely with my gloss black Fatboy. My front weighed 1068 grams with tape and my rear was 1209 with tape. That puts them pretty darn close in weight. I see you're running XX1 also. I have it on all 3 of my geared bikes now. Love it.

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    Yeah mine was without tape (or valves) so that is where the difference is. I tried going with a 42t cog hack but just didn't like the performance so went with the X01 instead and it is much gooder.

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    Nice looking wheels Bob! Mine are at home waiting for me to get home from work in a week...

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    Looking good Bob !!! very nice.

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    Thanks guys, I sure am itching to get this build done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKCheesehead View Post
    Nice looking wheels Bob! Mine are at home waiting for me to get home from work in a week...
    Did you get yours built up yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Did you get yours built up yet?
    Not yet, waiting on spokes to arrive... Played with mounting tires, maybe it was because I read about your struggles, but didn't really have a horrible time getting them off the rim, they don't come easy but I didn't have anywhere the trouble you did...

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    Really like to hear a comparison between the LB rims and the Nextie rims. So far Iam reading the LB's show better quality in the build but the Nextie's may offer a superior design e.g. Take of and remount in the field??? Is that what you guys are experiencing?

    I want to place an order and really want the right wheels for a long distance ride starting This summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKCheesehead View Post
    Not yet, waiting on spokes to arrive... Played with mounting tires, maybe it was because I read about your struggles, but didn't really have a horrible time getting them off the rim, they don't come easy but I didn't have anywhere the trouble you did...
    I forgot which tires are you using again? Oh and what length spokes did you end up going with? Maybe I just suck at getting tires off

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    I have a set of both... I've got maybe 100 miles on the Nextie wheels, LB are sitting on the bench waiting to be built. Both sets are matte black UD carbon. I have the original set of Nexties before they changed the mold so tires go on and off easily, too easily sometimes, LB go tubeless easily but are harder to get on off. My LB rims are 20-30g lighter than the Nextie. I prefer the look of the LB rims over the Nextie, but that's just me. One issue I have with the Nextie rims is some pretty good spoke bend at the nipple, probably 6-8 spokes on each rim, so far it hasn't been an issue, but time will tell I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I forgot which tires are you using again? Oh and what length spokes did you end up going with? Maybe I just suck at getting tires off
    I tried BFL's, Bud/Lou, Dillengers, Escalators and Knards, the Dillengers and Escalators were the hardest to get on and off... Ended up going with 260, have some 258's just in case though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKCheesehead View Post
    I tried BFL's, Bud/Lou, Dillengers, Escalators and Knards, the Dillengers and Escalators were the hardest to get on and off... Ended up going with 260, have some 258's just in case though...
    Maybe the Ground Controls fit a little tighter, that was the only tire I tried. Good news for the rest of em, should hold tubeless well.

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    Seems like bent spokes would fatigue and break . Is that common on other wheel builds?

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    Anyone order them recently?

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