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    This has to be the warmest & driest winter since I have lived on the Front Range, so I have definitely been able to put some dirt miles on the Wozo. Different story here at my parents place in Gunnison/Crested Butte. They have had a big yr. This is today's ride hitting some of the groomers off Brush Creek Rd---> Canal & Bonus for those of you familiar with CB trails.

    As far as sizing, I'm right at 6' but all legs with 34.5" inseam. I don't necessarily need the crazy reach the Large Wozo has but I need the LG seattube length. I'm still running the stock 75mm stem but plan to go down to a 50mm. Definite adjustment for me coming from my OG Ripley and HD3, since Ibis tends to have shorter reach bikes compared to most.

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    So I finally got to ride one on Sunday (thanks staz) and feel the medium should work for me at 5'11". I am though going to wait til the 2018's come out. I emailed Kona and the said around Aug/Sept. I also asked if a carbon model would be in there plans and although he did not say yes he also did not say no either and for me to keep and eye on the website for whats new to come out from Kona....Hmmmmm
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    Wozo in summer "skinny" mode

    I just spent 3 ripping days at Glendo WY trail system with my new 27.5x3.0 wheelse. The Wozo is definitely that elusive "quiver-killer" unicorn of bikes for me. It rode excellently in 27+ all-mtn trail mode. From flowy, twisty to rockgnar tech sections and full throttle off-camber downhills. I am running Hope Fatsno hubs with WTB Scraper 45mm internal width rims and Schwalbe 3.0 tires (Rocket Ron and Nobby Nik). The bottom bracket is at about 306mm height which is a little low for some rocky tech moves, but then it is nice for railing turns (I should note that i have the fork bumped up to 120mm travel). I also lost about 4-5 pounds of the bike compared to the stock wheelset/tire combo.
    Now I have a great snow bike for the winter and the same bike with different wheels as a great all-mtn hardtail for the summer. I couldn't be more impressed with the Wozo overall.
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    saw one in person on the weekend, nice ride.

    For anyone looking, Kamikaze Bikes in Collingwood, ON has a large complete for sale ($2600 CAD).

    Not different enough from my Farley 7 (with Bluto and 2 wheelsets) though to consider selling mine to get it. And my 29+ wheels wouldn't swap over due to the rear hub spacing.
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    Tire modification

    [QUOTE=rvercoe;13093104]I just spent 3 ripping days at Glendo WY trail system with my new 27.5x3.0 wheelse. The Wozo is definitely that elusive "quiver-killer" unicorn of bikes for me. It rode excellently in 27+ all-mtn trail mode. From flowy, twisty to rockgnar tech sections and full throttle off-camber downhills. I am running Hope Fatsno hubs with WTB Scraper 45mm internal width rims and Schwalbe 3.0 tires (Rocket Ron and Nobby Nik). The bottom bracket is at about 306mm height which is a little low for some rocky tech moves, but then it is nice for railing turns (I should note that i have the fork bumped up to 120mm travel). I also lost about 4-5 pounds of the bike compared to the stock wheelset/tire combo.

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    I swapped the NN 3.0 to the rear and put a Minion FBF 3.8 on the front. This has really improved the Wozo for technical, rocky terrain. The NN greatly improved traction in the rear compared to the RR. The FBF obviously increased traction due to its size but, more importantly, it slackened the head angle by about another half degree and raised the bottom bracket by another 5mm (putting it at 311mm height now). At Gowdy State Park I hit the steepest, most technical rock sections I have ever ridden and the bike ate all up without an issue. Truly outstanding. I think I will keep this set-up for technical riding until I can get a fatbike fork with 140mm of travel like the new Manitou Mastidon.

    I'm interested to hear from other owners that are using the Wozo as a slimmed down dry season whip.

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    can anyone comment on the q factor one can achieve on this bike? The smaller the better

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbum1 View Post
    can anyone comment on the q factor one can achieve on this bike? The smaller the better
    I'm running RF Next SL Cinch 170mm carbon cranks they are slightly narrower than the RF Turbine (~6mm per side), chainstay clearance is 9-10mm. You can check the RF sie to see the q factors.

    Not sure if any crank set will have a lower q, the Next SL is a pretty flat crank arm.

    Something I've considered is cutting the BB down to fit an 83mm spindle. This mod would work with the Next SL cranks, RF has an 83mm spindle. Downside is 5" tire clearance would require a chainring swap; only an issue in the deepest of winter.

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    Is anybody running a Wren Inverted Fork on their Wozo?

    I am interested in its performance for technical, rocky, dirt riding. Not so much for snow, as a rigid fork is fine for that. I would like to upgrade to a 140mm travel fork to run with my 27+ wheelset that will give me hardhitting performance for summer riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvercoe View Post
    Is anybody running a Wren Inverted Fork on their Wozo?

    I am interested in its performance for technical, rocky, dirt riding. Not so much for snow, as a rigid fork is fine for that. I would like to upgrade to a 140mm travel fork to run with my 27+ wheelset that will give me hardhitting performance for summer riding.
    Wait for the Manitou.

    The Wozo is designed for a 100mm fork, so jumping 40mm is huge, you may not like the results.

    I think 120mm is reasonable for this bike.

    Edit: I've had three Wren and three Bluto forks, have one Bluto remaining, waiting on the Manitou Mastodon.
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    Here is a good review vs the Bluto
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    I picked up my Wozo last week to replace a Pugsley. I haven't gotten a ride on it yet as the trails are too wet for riding. I've just been playing around with it in the road. It was a big debate between a medium and a large. Both seemed to fit well. In the end I went with the medium as it felt more nimble. Can't wait to get on the trails. I've got a 2014 Precept DL that has been my summer bike. I'm curious to see if the Wozo will become my go to bike. Kona Wozo Review: 420mm chainstay, runs 29+ to 26 x 4.8!-img_1004.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvercoe View Post
    Is anybody running a Wren Inverted Fork on their Wozo?

    I am interested in its performance for technical, rocky, dirt riding. Not so much for snow, as a rigid fork is fine for that. I would like to upgrade to a 140mm travel fork to run with my 27+ wheelset that will give me hardhitting performance for summer riding.
    The wren is great. I'm running 110 on mine with a 29 plus front and 27 plus rear. Feels great. The 140 might help compensate for the lowered bb due to the 27 plus wheels.

    Ben might only have a bluto now but he seems to forget he was one of wrens biggest supporters while he had his 3(!) Wrens. Not sure why it sucks so much now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkers View Post
    The wren is great. I'm running 110 on mine with a 29 plus front and 27 plus rear. Feels great. The 140 might help compensate for the lowered bb due to the 27 plus wheels.

    Ben might only have a bluto now but he seems to forget he was one of wrens biggest supporters while he had his 3(!) Wrens. Not sure why it sucks so much now.
    The Wren was never more than it is, the torsional flex, the cockeyed issues, poopy damper, those are unchanged.

    The reason I got a Bluto for the Wozo was price (got it at cost) and because I knew the Mastodon was coming.

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    Hey Rvercoe. Looking to build a new wheel set for my WoZo. What rims did you use for your 3.8 / 3.0 combo?


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    Quote Originally Posted by RideMN View Post
    Hey Rvercoe. Looking to build a new wheel set for my WoZo. What rims did you use for your 3.8 / 3.0 combo?


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    Sunringle Duroc 40/50, burly rims, excellent tubeless. Width will depend if you want a little extra tire or a little extra rim.

    Personally, the size difference from 3.0 to 3.8 is a bit much for me, I'd run 3.0 front and rear for summer, then add an angleset and/or 120mm fork, that'll correct the low bb and give you the desired hta.

    To get the tire differential with greater traction up front, pick a low tread rear. In 27.5 x 3.8 tires there are few choices, but in 3.0" there are tons of choices. 3.0" will also be lighter and more agile.

    If I wanted a more "mixxer" kind of ride, I'd run 29+ front/27+ rear, same tire width.

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    Yeah I do think I will go 27.5 x 3.0 front and back and bump the Bluto to 120. Thanks for the advice.


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    Hi RideMN,
    See below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RideMN View Post
    Hey Rvercoe. Looking to build a new wheel set for my WoZo. What rims did you use for your 3.8 / 3.0 combo?


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    I recommend the WTB Scraper 45 (45mm internal diameter) over the Duroc. Mostly due to the sleeved join on the rim rather than a spot weld join on the Durocs. Increased rim integrity at the join. But that is really mostly a concern if you are going to do big-hit, technical, or rocky riding. Smooth, flow, XC-style riding won't make a difference between either of those rims as they are about the same weight and price-point.

    What I do know is that the Scrapers set-up tubeless ridiculously easy and solid. I have done all of mine and my wife's first try with an old floor pump. Something I always had a tougher time doing on any other brand or size of rim before and certainly not with a 100% success-rate without going to an air compressor.

    As far as tire choice goes, here's the deal. I ride rocky technical terrain both for preference and for the fact there is an abundance of it nearby. So in order to achieve an "All-mtn hardtail" set-up that achieves acceptable levels of performance I have settled on the following: Bluto fork w/ 120mm travel, Minion FBF 3.8 front, Nobby Nik 3.0 rear. I tried a Rocket Ron (low tread type of tire) on the rear and found it noticeably lacking in the traction department for decomposed granite over solid rock and dirt, technical climbs, and rock hits. I switched to the meatier and slightly tougher NN and things are perfect in the rear-end for confident traction, handling and durability. Now for the Front, I started with the NN on the front when the RR was on the rear. Naturally, the NN was awesome up there. I'll admit the NN may be my favorite all around tire of all time. But, the 3.0/3.0 pairing left my bottom bracket and head angle too low and steep, respectively. At least for my needs (ie riding style and trails). I was getting more pedal strikes than desired in technical sections, even after accounting for more conscious pedal management, and the HA was a little too XC for what I needed. An angle set headset would have remedied the HA, but left the BB height arguably even a touch lower. So my most efficient and economical solution was to put the FBF 3.8 up front. This has increased BB height to a nice 311mm and set the HA at about 68 degrees.

    Remember that the Wozo is originally designed around a 4.0 rear / 4.8 front 26 inch wheel combo to achieve the desired BB height and HA. This is replicated with the 27x3 / 27x3.8 combo, plus I get an extra bit from the 120 fork to slack the HA for more aggressive descending. Now, as Ben notes, I could also achieve this same result by using a 29x3.0 front wheel/tire, but that would necessitate a complete new front wheel and tire combo. Obviously, the other difference in using the 3.8 FBF over a 29x3 is the increased traction from a larger contact patch due to the width and the increased volume which adds additional undampened suspension. Neither of which increase rolling resistance much as it is on the front wheel, but does increase descending confidence when you weight the front end and dig that big tire in for all its worth.

    In summary, definitely get a 45mm internal diameter rim (Scraper or Duroc) to have the greatest tire size applicability. Start with 3.0 tires and get the fork upto 120mm. If you prefer and ride more XC, flow, non-technical terrain then this set-up should be the bees knees for you. It is super fun and the low BB and plus tires' contact patch will have you cornering like a Jedi on a speeder bike. If you ride more technical terrain, you may find that a higher front end (either through a larger tire or longer travel fork) will be the antidote to get your BB and HA dialed. Ultimately, in my case, I would rather save my pennies for a 140mm fork up front and then put 27x3.0 NN or equivalent on my custom 27.5 wheelset that I just laid-out for.

    Hope this helps, and thanks to the folks that provided feedback on 140mm fork recommendations and reviews.

    Cheers, Rico

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    Thats great info. Thanks for the help guys!!

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    Hi Ben et al,

    What face face spindle length do I need for a race face next sl G4 crank and which bottom bracket for the wozo?

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    RF Spindle is only offered in one length, different q depending on crank.

    Gotta disagrer on the 4.0/4.8 tire mixing. Granted, it's not uncommon to ride different tire widths, 2.25 rear and 2.4 front, but the difference between a 4.8 and a 4.0 is too great to be rational. It was a screw up. It might be a different story if plus/fat tires ran in small incrementd, 4.0/4.25 for example.

    To think of it another way, would you run a 27.5 x 2.25 in the rear and a 27.5 x 3 in the front? Nah, no one does that, it'd be silly.

    As to the rims, I'm gonna also disagree on the Scrapers. I've built two sets, trashed one set, still got one set, they build poorly, prone to flat spotting, get dinged easilly, and dent easilly. Durocs are bomber, typical Sunringle quality, WTB just doesnt compare. Second rim choice would be Velocity Dually, got a set of those on my plus bike, take a licking and still holding strong; though they tend to scratch easy.

    Just a quick note on adding an angleset to the Wozo: because it would be an external lower cup, the HT is raised 10mm, so you get 0.5 deg slacker just by adding the angleset. That 10mm is nearly the same difference as you'll find between a 27.5 x 3.8 and a 27.5 x 4.8, now combine the angleset with a 120mm fork and you're HT end is more than an inch higher than stock.

    Get some decent hubs, DT Swiss, Onyx, King.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Gotta disagrer on the 4.0/4.8 tire mixing. Granted, it's not uncommon to ride different tire widths, 2.25 rear and 2.4 front, but the difference between a 4.8 and a 4.0 is too great to be rational. It was a screw up.
    Hey Ben, that's pretty cool. When did you start working in Kona's development team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Gotta disagrer on the 4.0/4.8 tire mixing. Granted, it's not uncommon to ride different tire widths, 2.25 rear and 2.4 front, but the difference between a 4.8 and a 4.0 is too great to be rational. It was a screw up. It might be a different story if plus/fat tires ran in small incrementd, 4.0/4.25 for example.
    Coming from some one who has recommended people try 27.5+ rear and 29+ front....?

    It's not a screw up, it actually works rather nicely. Since when did you become the expert on being rational?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Coming from some one who has recommended people try 27.5+ rear and 29+ front....?

    It's not a screw up, it actually works rather nicely. Since when did you become the expert on being rational?
    That was only while he was raving about how wonderful the Wren was.
    While raving about a bike with long chain stays
    But that was then....and this is now.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    ...As to the rims, I'm gonna also disagree on the Scrapers. I've built two sets, trashed one set, still got one set, they build poorly, prone to flat spotting, get dinged easilly, and dent easilly....
    With regards to the Scrapers durability I don't have any personal experience, however, Chad at Red Barn in Montana who builds all my wheels indicated to me that he prefers the Scrapers because of their durability when I approached him for a set for my Wozo--> "I like the WTB's a little more for durability sake. Seem to be a little more stout." Chad does know just a thing or two about building wheels. If you do a search he's generally one of the long time, recommended wheelbuilders here on mtbr. He's been around a long time and I definitely value his opinion. Every one of the wheelsets he has built for me has been rock solid.

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    From my personal time on the Scrapers, they have been bomber. Granted, I run the right pressure so I am not touching the rim constantly on the trail.

    The i40 vs the i45 Scraper are a bug difference. The i40 can't hold a candle to the durability of the i45.

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    I could say many things, but why bother, fat bike season is coming to an end, this forum will go into hibernation shortly.

    See ya next season

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I could say many things, but why bother, fat bike season is coming to an end, this forum will go into hibernation shortly.

    See ya next season
    With a bike like the Wozo, I expect there to be a pretty outstanding summer (plus bike) season ahead. At least that is what I am counting on and the interest so far seems that others are going to give it a go as well. Thanks for contributing NB. As long as we are all having a Rad time riding and sharing our experiences, there shouldn't be any problem if we disagree on the details. Cheers.

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    My fat bike season just started...???

    ... and I'm running a 4.8 front and 4.0 rear.

    Maybe next year I'll get this fat biking thing figured out..

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvercoe View Post
    With a bike like the Wozo, I expect there to be a pretty outstanding summer (plus bike) season ahead. At least that is what I am counting on and the interest so far seems that others are going to give it a go as well. Thanks for contributing NB. As long as we are all having a Rad time riding and sharing our experiences, there shouldn't be any problem if we disagree on the details. Cheers.
    Agreed! Great thread w/ lots of good feedback/info. My summer wheels are being built up right now by Chad at Red Barn. Ended up going with i35s instead of i45s on my 29 wheels, so I can go + and also scale it back to 2.3s/2.4s with no issues. Chupacabras on order. Bumping the Bluto to 120mm. Should be a sh**ton of fun this summer!

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    Let us know how you like that combo MSH!!


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    Has anyone tried 27.5 x 3 rear and 29x 3 front.
    I am trying to keep the geometry close to stock. I don't think I want to put 29+ on rear to raise the stand over. However I would not mind to get the BB up a hair from stock set up.
    Would 27.5+ rear and 29+ front accomplish this?


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    Yes. That's how I'm running mine.

    Steering is a bit floppy but manageable, and I quite like how the bike rides. BB still feels low to me, but I've really worked on technique and minimized pedal strikes using half strokes and timing cadence.
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    [QUOTE=RideMN;13160050]Has anyone tried 27.5 x 3 rear and 29x 3 front.

    A 27.5x3.8 is the same outer diameter as 29x3.0. That's what I run on the front with a 27.5x3.0 on the rear.

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    [QUOTE=rvercoe;13160227]
    Quote Originally Posted by RideMN View Post
    Has anyone tried 27.5 x 3 rear and 29x 3 front.

    A 27.5x3.8 is the same outer diameter as 29x3.0. That's what I run on the front with a 27.5x3.0 on the rear.
    That is not correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post

    That is not correct.
    Walt (Waltworks) seems to state otherwise here--->The Fat+Plus+Skinny do-it-all FAQ

    "-Want even bigger wheels/more volume? No problem, 26◊4.8-5″ tires are about 760-770mm diameter. Thatís about the same as a 27.5◊3.8″ (Bontrager Hodag) or a 29◊3″ plus tire (ie Knard, Chupacabra, etc). So again, 3 wheel sizes/tire sizes will fit the frame without causing problems with handling..."

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    Thanks for the pic Shinkers! Looks sweet.
    Also, thanks for answering all my wheel questions guys. I need as much info as possible because I really want to get this right the first time. I will not be able to float another wheel build if this one does not work for me!

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    [QUOTE=rvercoe;13160227]
    Quote Originally Posted by RideMN View Post
    Has anyone tried 27.5 x 3 rear and 29x 3 front.

    A 27.5x3.8 is the same outer diameter as 29x3.0. That's what I run on the front with a 27.5x3.0 on the rear.
    So far this combo is what I am leaning towards. 27.5 3.0/ 3.8. Seems like it will really liven the bike up on dirt / single track. I just don't want to build up some wheels and have it feel the same as it does now with stock wheels!
    I think 29+ would be great but like some of you have told me, it will be quite tall. The BB height intrigues me with 29+ but stand over may get tight.

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    That is not correct.[/QUOTE]

    Perhaps I should be more specific considering NB's terse reply:

    27.5 x 3.8= 770 mm outer diameter. As measured on a WTB 27.5 Scraper rim
    (45mm internal width) with a Maxxis Minion FBF 3.8 tire at 10psi. I have
    personally been riding this set-up for a month now and took the outer
    diameter measurement again this morning to confirm my measurements.

    29 x 3.0= 768 mm outer diameter. As measured on a 35mm (outer width) rim
    with a Bontrager Chupacabra 3.0 tire (same outer diameter measured for
    Surly Knard 3.0 and Vee Tire Trax Fatty 3.25). Here is the source for these
    measurements: https://fat-bike.com/2014/10/product...ght-bontrager-
    chupacabra-29x3-0/

    So, I will admit that I was not specific enough in my prior statement that 27.5x3.8 is the same outer diameter as a 29x3.0. The 27.5x3.8 is in fact 2mm larger to be exact. I figured even NB would allow +/- 2mm for discussion sake.

    Either way let us know what you decide and enjoy the ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideMN View Post
    Has anyone tried 27.5 x 3 rear and 29x 3 front.
    I am trying to keep the geometry close to stock. I don't think I want to put 29+ on rear to raise the stand over. However I would not mind to get the BB up a hair from stock set up.
    Would 27.5+ rear and 29+ front accomplish this?

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    First of all, what size wheels and tires are you currently running? If you're running 26x4.8ish tires, then 29+ or 27.5x3.8(really 3.5) will be close to the same diameter and keep your geometry very close to stock. If you are running 26x4.0ish, then yes, 29+ will be taller. I don't like the idea of running 29+ front and 27+ rear, as it will mess with your angles and change the handling.

    How about 29+ front and 27.5x3.8 rear? that might make a fun combo! Or just stick with the same size front and rear. If you think 29x3.0 will be too big, there is also 29x2.6, and there's also 29x2.8 tires coming soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvercoe View Post

    27.5 x 3.8= 770 mm outer diameter. As measured on a WTB 27.5 Scraper rim
    (45mm internal width) with a Maxxis Minion FBF 3.8 tire at 10psi. I have
    personally been riding this set-up for a month now and took the outer
    diameter measurement again this morning to confirm my measurements.
    Interesting numbers you have there, as every other person is getting about 20mm smaller outer diameter with similar combos (with Hodag and Minion FBF on 45-50mm rims).
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Interesting numbers you have there, as every other person is getting about 20mm smaller outer diameter with similar combos (with Hodag and Minion FBF).
    Hi Nitrous,
    Yes, One thing to consider is that I find getting into plus and fat ranges that the tires do actually have a bit more 'stretch' after being mounted and settled into their own shape for a period of time. Especially after running them tubeless for a few weeks.
    The other is that the rim width can make a significant difference. That's why I always include the internal width rim measurement so as to account for that factor when folks are comparing wheel/tire combos.
    The third variable is of course the considerable range, or shall we say liberty, that the tire manufacturers take in claimed tire size and actual size.

    Overall though, I would corroborate the Walt Works blog provided by MSH that the range is usually within the 760-770mm range.

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    i have FBF 27.5x3.8 on 65mm external nextie rim so about 59mm internal?) and 2x hodags on 52mm external/45mm internal nexties and they are both ~750mm in diamter? perhaps a smidge under - this is akin to 29x2.4 really....

    i have a few chupas, minion fbf and chronicle 29x3" and they are all in the 765mm diameter ish bracket

    my flowbeist 26x4.5 is within a coupel mm of the hodag 27.5.

    the barbigazi 27.5 i have is MASSIVE 770mm diameter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Interesting numbers you have there, as every other person is getting about 20mm smaller outer diameter with similar combos (with Hodag and Minion FBF on 45-50mm rims).
    That is correct.

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    [QUOTE=dRjOn

    Thanks for the numbers dRjOn. I'll have to re-check my FBF measurements when I get home.

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    27.5 x 3 Spec Purg 720mm, 42mm OD rim
    27.5 x 3.8 Minion 735mm, 50mm OD rim
    26 x 4.8 Minion 740mm, 65mm OD rim
    29 x 3 Minion 765mm, 50mm OD rim

    YMMV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    27.5 x 3 Spec Purg 720mm, 42mm OD rim
    27.5 x 3.8 Minion 735mm, 50mm OD rim
    26 x 4.8 Minion 740mm, 65mm OD rim
    29 x 3 Minion 765mm, 50mm OD rim

    YMMV
    Wow, it is fascinating to see the range of variation in actual size in these plus and fat tires. I remeasured my 27.5 x 3.8 Minion on a 50mm OD rim and got closer to 760mm (rather than 770), but still much larger than NB's at 735.

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    I think it would be really helpful to know what the tire pressure is when measuring, as that will make a big difference. Are you guys measuring at 30 psi, or at riding pressure, like 5 to 10 PSI? Also, new tires will be smaller than used tires that have stretched. I have a couple of these sizes but have never measured overall diameter, maybe I'll have to get my own measurements.

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    Seems to me the Wozo ETT seems really really really long.

    Small seems like a medium, medium like a large, and so on.

    Is this correct?

    I ride a Medium 9Zero7 which has a 602mm ETT and I wouldn't want a 628mm on the Wozo which would put me on a small at 599.

    But hey I could have that WC XC racer seat height look

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    I think it would be really helpful to know what the tire pressure is when measuring, as that will make a big difference. Are you guys measuring at 30 psi, or at riding pressure, like 5 to 10 PSI? Also, new tires will be smaller than used tires that have stretched. I have a couple of these sizes but have never measured overall diameter, maybe I'll have to get my own measurements.
    Not 30psi, typically 12-14 psi on the skinny tire, <10psi on the 4" tires, and 4-6psi on the fat tires.

    @rvercoe: you need to check that measurement on the 3.8 Minion, ain't no way it's that tall. The 27.5 x 3.8 Minion and 26 x 4.8 Minion are very close to the same size, which is why they are a good two wheel combo.

    29 x 3 are the tallest tires by far, which is part of the reason it's so hard to design a bike that can share wheels with this size, and design for a short chainstay.

    For example, I can run 26 x 4.8 or 27.5 x 3.8 with my Wozo drops slammed (shortest), but when I switch to 29+ I don't have enough clearance so move the drops back ~ 10mm.

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    I measured my 27.5 Hodag, mounted on a Nextie 65mm outside width rim at 750mm, at around 8 psi.

    Nurse Ben: the 27.5x4.5 tires are even taller than 29+ I believe. I have a set mounted on Jackalop rims, but can't measure them right now as they are in VT and I'm in NY. I will post up measurements of my 29x3.25 tires, they are huge!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    I measured my 27.5 Hodag, mounted on a Nextie 65mm outside width rim at 750mm, at around 8 psi.

    Nurse Ben: the 27.5x4.5 tires are even taller than 29+ I believe. I have a set mounted on Jackalop rims, but can't measure them right now as they are in VT and I'm in NY. I will post up measurements of my 29x3.25 tires, they are huge!
    Possibly, don't have either to compare.

    Honestly, I find the 29+ to be to much tire/wheel for anything tight, it's just to much wheel to finesse.

    They are great for going fast and straight through gnar.

    I used to ride a 36er muni, it was super fun, fast and flowy xc riding was a hoot, and I could make it handle techy stuff, but there is a point at which bigger is not better.

    I'm in the process of rebuilding my 29" wheels as 27.5, that way I have set of 3.8 and 2.8, as well as 26 x 4.8 for winter.

    The ride with the Mastodon EXT 120mm travel fork is exceptional.

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    Hey NB,
    How is the 2.8 set-up working for ya?
    I am asking because I am going to install an Angleset headset w/ the external lower bearing cup next week in hopes that it gives me that additional 10-14mm lift so that I can perhaps run a 3.0 up front and still have the BB clearance I need. I am really enjoying my current set-up with 3.0 x 3.8 and a 120mm fork as far as BB height and HA goes for clearance and handling on technical terrain. I call that me "funduro" set-up as it is a ripper and bombproof, but it would be nice to go a bit skinnier up front for full X-C applications such as our local summer race series.
    Have you tried an angleset on the Wozo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvercoe View Post
    Hey NB,
    How is the 2.8 set-up working for ya?
    I am asking because I am going to install an Angleset headset w/ the external lower bearing cup next week in hopes that it gives me that additional 10-14mm lift so that I can perhaps run a 3.0 up front and still have the BB clearance I need. I am really enjoying my current set-up with 3.0 x 3.8 and a 120mm fork as far as BB height and HA goes for clearance and handling on technical terrain. I call that me "funduro" set-up as it is a ripper and bombproof, but it would be nice to go a bit skinnier up front for full X-C applications such as our local summer race series.
    Have you tried an angleset on the Wozo?
    2.8's are not built yet.

    Figure on 1/2" drop from 3.8 to 3.0, 1/2" rise from a increasing fork travel to 120mm, so a push from stock. 2.8's are shorter yet, so you'll end up lower by 1/4-1/2", not a lot, but enough. If you're running 175mm crsnks, going to 165mm would improve clearance.

    Anglesets work fine, you get the increased height from the external cup, but they're heavy and not as solid as a fixed headset... too bad you can't just buy an external lower cup.

    It'd be a bettet investment to soend the $150 angleset money on a 120mm Ext Mastodon, which will add ~20mm bb height, give you a better ride, you'll have the ability to lower or raise the fork using a shock pump, and you'll have the bb height to run 2.8-3.

    I did all this stuff with my previous fat bikes, multiple wheelsets and tires sizes, angleset, varying fork length, etc. .. 2.8-3 is the ticket for summer riding.i hzve abplus bike, it's my go to when it's dry.
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