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    thank you very much. Maybe a stupid question, but what is "rf" that you are referring to?
    I meant rs

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    Swapped to RF Next SL cranks and changed from an 11-42 to an 11-46 cassette, lighter weight and stumpulling power.

    The Wozo is such a pleasure to ride, super agile, poppy, very easy to manual and apply pressure over the rear wheel.

    Lots of snow packing/hike a bike stuff right now, hoping to get the base solid...just wish there were more fat bikers here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    They have it, I talked to RF sales and he said they had #20 units in stock. I ordered it from a dealer who got it from RF using this #:

    Rear Skewer SRAM 00.4318.009.007 Maxle Ultimate 12 x 177 OLD 205mm length 1.75mm thread pitch

    I have no idea if it's a Trek axle, they have similar dimensions but different part numbers.
    Ok, this is very frustrating. I e-mailed Universal Cycles asking if they can order me the axle, giving them all the above information with the part number and dimensions, and this is the response I got:
    "I am sorry, but we do not carry that particular skewer. Our distributors donít carry it yet. We canít special order for you."

    As mentioned a few posts back, I also called the USA SRAM headquarters last week and spoke to the guy in parts, and he said that part number wasn't in their database.

    So if a huge dealer like Universal Cycles and SRAM themselves can't find the part, where am I to go? Ben, who exactly did you communicate with? dustyduke, did you ever try the "Trek axle"? I'm assuming it would work if the dimensions are correct, but I don't want to make a $65 mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhioPT View Post
    Ok, this is very frustrating. I e-mailed Universal Cycles asking if they can order me the axle, giving them all the above information with the part number and dimensions, and this is the response I got:
    "I am sorry, but we do not carry that particular skewer. Our distributors donít carry it yet. We canít special order for you."

    As mentioned a few posts back, I also called the USA SRAM headquarters last week and spoke to the guy in parts, and he said that part number wasn't in their database.

    So if a huge dealer like Universal Cycles and SRAM themselves can't find the part, where am I to go? Ben, who exactly did you communicate with? dustyduke, did you ever try the "Trek axle"? I'm assuming it would work if the dimensions are correct, but I don't want to make a $65 mistake.
    Universal Cycles is worthless if a product is not in stock at their distributors or in their stores. In my experience, they seem unwilling to go outside of their normal channels.

    If a product is in stock, they are great to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhioPT View Post
    Ok, this is very frustrating. I e-mailed Universal Cycles asking if they can order me the axle, giving them all the above information with the part number and dimensions, and this is the response I got:
    "I am sorry, but we do not carry that particular skewer. Our distributors donít carry it yet. We canít special order for you."

    As mentioned a few posts back, I also called the USA SRAM headquarters last week and spoke to the guy in parts, and he said that part number wasn't in their database.

    So if a huge dealer like Universal Cycles and SRAM themselves can't find the part, where am I to go? Ben, who exactly did you communicate with? dustyduke, did you ever try the "Trek axle"? I'm assuming it would work if the dimensions are correct, but I don't want to make a $65 mistake.
    We both called Kona directly. I ordered the Trek axle which should get here tomorrow but will likely return it and wait for the one from Kona. The Kona one is a maxle ultimate and the trek one is a maxle light

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    Quote Originally Posted by LFJ View Post

    Yup, Hodags or Minions, in a 27.5 x 3.8 would be awesome. I'm holding out for Minions cuz then I'd have a matching set

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    I can conform that the 157x12 Trek axle works on the Wozo.

    Also picked up some bolt on cable stays from Paragon to route the stealth dropper.

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    Thanks for follow-up dusty. Are you going to keep that axle, or return it for the Ultimate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    I can conform that the 157x12 Trek axle works on the Wozo.

    Also picked up some bolt on cable stays from Paragon to route the stealth dropper.

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    how does an axle that is 20mm short work???

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhioPT View Post
    Thanks for follow-up dusty. Are you going to keep that axle, or return it for the Ultimate?
    I am waiting to hear back from Matt at Kona on an ETA. If it's a ways off, I will just keep this one. If it's soon, I will just return it and go with the Ultimate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    There is a big article on in on Pinkbike and Vital I believe. Looks like a very good alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenwood72 View Post
    how does an axle that is 20mm short work???
    Because Treks rear pivot is at the axle, there is extra material the axle has to go through. Width of the chainstays and seat stays coming together. It wouldn't work in another 157x12 bike, just Treks. So it's really a 177, but the extra 20mm is taken up my Treks frame design

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    Fwiw Universalcycles carries that Maxle in stock, here is a screen shot from their site.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    Because Treks rear pivot is at the axle, there is extra material the axle has to go through. Width of the chainstays and seat stays coming together. It wouldn't work in another 157x12 bike, just Treks. So it's really a 177, but the extra 20mm is taken up my Treks frame design

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    Yep. I have an old Trek ABP 135QR skewer that (surprisingly) works great for a 170QR fat bike frame.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Hi Ben, that is a sweet bike you built up! How much does yours weigh? I just put some minions on with a reverb and mine hits 34lbs. A little more beastly than I am used to !!!

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    I've never seen (or at least noticed...) a frame that runs the axle through the hanger like that. Is that common with fat bikes?

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    It's around 34# with 4.8 Minions, RF 150 dropper, Onyx hubs, Bluto.

    About the only weight savings I have are in the RF Next SL cranks.

    I could lose 2# by going to JJs, another 1/2# with DT Swiss Big Ride hubs, no dropper and lose a 1/4#, lose 3# with a rigid fork, and I could drop 1# by riding a Beargrease frame, but then it wouldn't be the trail destroyer that I desire.

    I'm in the same camp as Mikesee: "I build the bike I want, it weighs what it weighs".

    I used to ride a Mutz, now that was a heavy bike, but I rode it year round, up and down some big hills in the Cascades, never uttered a wimper, just geared it for my needs.

    I'll be getting a Lenz Fatillac to complement the Wozo, wheel sharing across the two platforms.

    Forget about weight, it's not that important.

    What's important is the ride, and the Wozo ride is awesome, it's definietely the most fun fat bike I've ridden. I'm having so much fun on it that I haven't had time to complain about the Bluto

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    PSA: bikeexpress on Pinkbike

    They are reporting Wozos in stock, at least one XL frame.

    Get yours!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magicscreen View Post
    I've never seen (or at least noticed...) a frame that runs the axle through the hanger like that. Is that common with fat bikes?
    For sliding drops, yes.

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    Thanks Ben! I didn't have any expectations on the bike's weight. Too new to fat bikes to know anything.

    Have you tried the bluto at 120mm yet? I just got the new air spring shaft and was about to put it in. Part of me likes the bike just the way it is so far. it has handled all that I put it through just fine.

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    I' hadn't done that yet, no time, but that's the plan. It will increase standover a bit and decrease STA by a degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by GspotRider View Post
    Thanks Ben! I didn't have any expectations on the bike's weight. Too new to fat bikes to know anything.

    Have you tried the bluto at 120mm yet? I just got the new air spring shaft and was about to put it in. Part of me likes the bike just the way it is so far. it has handled all that I put it through just fine.

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    Awesome mini review on the Wozo! I've been eyeing these for the past couple months but they're pretty hard to find, let alone a frame only. I sent you a PM in case you still have the medium!


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    would the rear clear 2xl?
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    It's such a great bike, so sad they didn't build more of them.

    I was railing the groomers yesterday, Minions are such fun tires, really need to get on the fork change, but it's hard to motivate at the holidays; I've also been riding three of the last four days

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    Quote Originally Posted by akacoke View Post
    would the rear clear 2xl?
    No

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    Quote Originally Posted by akacoke View Post
    would the rear clear 2xl?
    4.8 Minion FBR on a 65mm rim at <10psi has good clearance, any wider and you start rubbing.

    Same issue with the Bluto, vertical clearance is already tight.

    At a certain point, having a very wide tire negates the value of a "sporty" fat bike.

    If I wanted to run 2XL, I'd be looking at something for moving through deep snow, max flotation and stability, likely a longer track, definitely a 197mm spaced rear hub, probably a 120mm bb.

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    Hi Ben, I have ridden a few times with the bluto switched to 120mm (with two tokens) and I can say you are not missing anything. The front end gets high enough that it feels like an enduro rig and is not as balanced on climbing and flatter terrain. It is still snowy on my trails and I can't say I have sensed an advantage of increasing the travel to 120mm at this time. Having said that, I am getting used to the new geometry and it feels pretty natural to me now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I' hadn't done that yet, no time, but that's the plan. It will increase standover a bit and decrease STA by a degree.

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    It is something that requires adjusting. Since my rig is going to be a four season bike, I want at least 120mm for summer.

    Quote Originally Posted by GspotRider View Post
    Hi Ben, I have ridden a few times with the bluto switched to 120mm (with two tokens) and I can say you are not missing anything. The front end gets high enough that it feels like an enduro rig and is not as balanced on climbing and flatter terrain. It is still snowy on my trails and I can't say I have sensed an advantage of increasing the travel to 120mm at this time. Having said that, I am getting used to the new geometry and it feels pretty natural to me now.

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    anyone else have experience with the sizing? I usually ride a large frame but sometimes a medium. I'm 5'11".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonoma_MTB View Post
    anyone else have experience with the sizing? I usually ride a large frame but sometimes a medium. I'm 5'11".
    Going off the headtube length, TT length, and the longggg front-center, I would say Medium, if the 17" seat tube length is sufficient for your inseem. Based off those first 3 dimensions alone, I would ride a Medium at 6' 2.5", but I need at minimum a 18.5" seat tube for my 36" cycling inseem, so I'd have to size up to the large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhioPT View Post
    Going off the headtube length, TT length, and the longggg front-center, I would say Medium, if the 17" seat tube length is sufficient for your inseem. Based off those first 3 dimensions alone, I would ride a Medium at 6' 2.5", but I need at minimum a 18.5" seat tube for my 36" cycling inseem, so I'd have to size up to the large.
    I was thinking the same but I have a 32" inseam and OP said he has the same and rides the large. The geometry numbers on this bike are strange. And since I have to order it online, a test ride is out of the question. Definitely leaning towards medium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonoma_MTB View Post
    anyone else have experience with the sizing? I usually ride a large frame but sometimes a medium. I'm 5'11".
    Large. The medium really is quite short once it's built. Over the years I've been on the size fence more than once, the two times I chose a medium they ended up being too short.

    This bike is meant to be ridden with a 40mm stem, spec the geos you are comparing with a short stem.

    I'd put someone 5'9"/30" inseam on a medium, add an inch and unless you have an extremely short torso and arms, your knees will be in the bars.

    I'm 5'11"/32" inseam, normal arms and torso, I run 760mm x 20mm riser bar, 40mm stem slammed, seat centered, 150mm dropper slammed, and the fit is perfect.

    To ride a medium, I had my seat all the way back, and I needed a 60mm stem, and it was still short.

    The only thing that Kona needs to rethink is standover, because the Large frame is tight on the jewels for 31" inseams and less.

    Keep in mind that I'm running 26 x 4.8 and 29 x 3 on a 100mm Bluto. Shorter wheels, aka 26 x 4 and 27.5 x 3 would make the Large a smaller fit.

    If you want to run more stack or a longer fork, fit shrinks accordingly.

    I think the shortest stems out there are 30 or 35mm.

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    I guys, I just posted on the other WOZO thread but this one seems a bit more active. Anyone know the BB shell width, crank spindle length, and resulting q factor? Thanks.

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    My Wozo

    I;m running a 4.6 Flowbeist on the front and a 4.0 Vanhelga on the back. Looking to stud the tires too with the winter up here in Canada going from freeze to thaw lots of icy trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    Just for a FYI for anyone who wants to know, the medium Wozo without axle weights 2370 grams.

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    My large frame with seatpost collar, no axle, is 2387 grams.

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    will the wozo take a 27.5x4?

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    How is the wozo in the snow? Any limitation due to 4" rear tire?

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    I'm running 4.0 Vanhelga no problems in the snow just lower the psi. Having said that we are having a freeze/thaw winter up here in Ontario Canada, so next week I am installing some grip studs when they arrive at the LBS. Basically i will be prepared for icy conditions having the studs and heavy snow with a great tire like the Vanhelga. As long as you ride with the correct psi for the snowy conditions having a 4.0 on the back hasn't stopped me. I have ridden with 4.6 veerubber on the back on a 2015 Kona Wo and the Vanhelga is a superior snow tire! Now i can't say how the Jumbo Jims perform in the snow that come stock with the Wozo. I only use them the snow is gone!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wozo View Post
    I'm running 4.0 Vanhelga no problems in the snow just lower the psi. Having said that we are having a freeze/thaw winter up here in Ontario Canada, so next week I am installing some grip studs when they arrive at the LBS. Basically i will be prepared for icy conditions having the studs and heavy snow with a great tire like the Vanhelga. As long as you ride with the correct psi for the snowy conditions having a 4.0 on the back hasn't stopped me. I have ridden with 4.6 veerubber on the back on a 2015 Kona Wo and the Vanhelga is a superior snow tire! Now i can't say how the Jumbo Jims perform in the snow that come stock with the Wozo. I only use them the snow is gone!!
    Thanks! What front tire are you running?

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    I have a Flowbeist 4.6 in the front works great in the snow my bike is the one pictured in front of the garage door a few posts up!! I went with 45 north tires because I didn't want to move the drops outs so I new I needed a good 4.0 in the back so Vanhelga was the choice. Went with the Flowbeist because it is a great front tire and didn't want to mix match!! Again no matter what tire you run on a fat bike psi levels will make or break your ride in the winter!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonoma_MTB View Post
    How is the wozo in the snow? Any limitation due to 4" rear tire?

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    Same as any other fat bike with a 4" tire. It's all about the pressure.

    I run a 4.8 on my Wozo

    If Kona is listening, I would strongly recommend specing a 65mm rim on the next run, this will allow a greater range of tire sizes... OR they could increase the chainstay width

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Jekyl View Post
    will the wozo take a 27.5x4?
    Easilly. A 27.5 x 4 is a little taller than a 26 x 4.8, and it's shorter that a 29 x 3, but I can run both with the drops slammed.

    I'll be building a set soon.

    Probably take a 27.5 x 4.5 if the rim wasn't too wide

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    If Kona is listening, I would strongly recommend specing a 65mm rim on the next run, this will allow a greater range of tire sizes... OR they could increase the chainstay width
    I also think 65's would make a bit more sense.

    This is really a 'trail' fat bike so 65's and a 120 fork is how I'd have spec'd it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkers View Post
    I also think 65's would make a bit more sense.

    This is really a 'trail' fat bike so 65's and a 120 fork is how I'd have spec'd it.
    Yup, multi use trail bike. I'll probably run a 120, wish they'd build the frame like the new Honzo so standover is better.

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    Quite a bit has happened since I bought Bens extra medium Wozo. I bought an axle for it, installed a headset and bb and its just been sitting here ever since.

    I have decided to branch out a little from primarily building wheels and will soon be carrying some lines of fatbikes. Since Kona is not on the list, it does me no good to keep the Wozo even though it is a killer bike.

    That being said, I will be looking to sell to my brand new Medium Wozo with axle, bb and headset installed. I am just looking to get what I have into it. Shoot me a PM if you are interested.

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    You're gonna sell it without even riding it?

    Man, I'd get on that thing, swap the parts from your Bucksaw, it'll certainly turn your head

    So what brands are you going to carry?

    [QUOTE=dustyduke22;12991151]Quite a bit has happened since I bought Bens extra medium Wozo. I bought an axle for it, installed a headset and bb and its just been sitting here ever since.

    I have decided to branch out a little from primarily building wheels and will soon be carrying some lines of fatbikes. Since Kona is not on the list, it does me no good to keep the Wozo even though it is a killer bike.

    That being said, I will be looking to sell to my brand new Medium Wozo with axle, bb and headset installed. I am just looking to get what I have into it. Shoot me a PM if you are interested.

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    [QUOTE=Nurse Ben;12991223]You're gonna sell it without even riding it?

    Man, I'd get on that thing, swap the parts from your Bucksaw, it'll certainly turn your head

    So what brands are you going to carry?

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    Quite a bit has happened since I bought Bens extra medium Wozo. I bought an axle for it, installed a headset and bb and its just been sitting here ever since.

    I have decided to branch out a little from primarily building wheels and will soon be carrying some lines of fatbikes. Since Kona is not on the list, it does me no good to keep the Wozo even though it is a killer bike.

    That being said, I will be looking to sell to my brand new Medium Wozo with axle, bb and headset installed. I am just looking to get what I have into it. Shoot me a PM if you are interested.

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    I just took shipment if 4 Otso Voytek bikes today, and will be getting some Fatback bikes in once their new Corvus is in stock.

    Pretty stoked. We'll branch out further as the time goes. So ya, if anyone is in the market, let me know!

    I really wanted build to build it up, but I have a number of other bikes to build and ride that I can actually sell. One day I'll get on a Wozo, just not yet

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    Anyone have an update when the next run of Wozo's is supposed to be available? I know Nurse Ben mentioned Spring 2017, but was wondering if anyone had anything more specific? I sent an email to Kona, as well as, have a local dealer here in Denver checking but haven't heard back.

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