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    Kona Fat Bike

    Has this been shared yet? It was posted by a rep from another Canadian bike company on my Facebook feed.
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    Just saw that myself. $1799.00 and that shop is taking pre-orders already. Crazy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Just saw that myself. $1799.00 and that shop is taking pre-orders already. Crazy!
    Did you see it posted by Jason at Norco? Is it possible that we have the same friend?

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    US pricing listed at $1699. Specs were released as follows.

    KONA WO Specs

    CATEGORY: Fat Bike

    MODEL: WO

    FRAME MATERIAL: Kona 6061 Aluminum Butted

    SIZES: S, M, L, XL

    Fork: Kona P2 Fat Disc

    Crankarms: FSA

    Chainrings: 24/36/Guard

    B/B: FSA ISIS

    Pedals: Wellgo Platform

    Chain: KMC

    Freewheel: Shimano HG20 11-34t 9 spd

    F/D: Shimano SLX

    R/D: Shimano Deore Shadow

    Shifters: Shimano Alivio

    Brake Calipers: Tektro Mechanical

    Front Brake Rotor: Tektro 160mm

    Rear Brake Rotor: Tektro 160mm

    Brake Levers: Tektro ML330

    Headset: TH Internal

    Handlebar: Kona Handplant

    Stem: Kona XC/Road

    Seatpost: Kona Double Clamp

    Seat Clamp: Kona Thumb OB

    Grips: Kona SLOG

    Saddle: Kona Fat

    Front Hub: Joytech 135mm

    Rear Hub: Joytech 170mm

    Spokes: Stainless 14g

    Rims: Jetset

    Front Tire: Vee Rubber 26x4.0"

    Rear Tire: Vee Rubber 26x4.0"

    Paint Color: Matt Black w/Grey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machinist View Post
    Did you see it posted by Jason at Norco? Is it possible that we have the same friend?
    Kootenay Bike shop is who I saw post it.
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    It looks like Jason shared it from Kootenay Bike Shop, so we both saw the same source.

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    I just put a deposit on a ute and was going to throw my gazzis in it.
    I'll take a pic when i'm done, should look nearly identical!
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    Oh yeah, they state that it is spec'd with 4" tires but the fork has room for more. Sounds like Bud and Lou are out for the rear and probably BFLs as well.
    I'm guessing the Vee rubber tire they talk about is the mission, but who knows. Also wondering if they are going to spec a trials width rim from Jetset or if there is something wider in the works from them.

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    9 speed, Alivio shifters, and ISIS BB are rather disappointing. Joytech hubs and Jetset rims are probably similar to the On-One Fatty. If the Vee rubber tires are their current models, then they're real heavy; it would be a good thing if Kona has Vee making a new, lighter tire for them. I guess that we'll see...

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    And, it begins. It looks like a competent attempt at making a competitor to the pugsley. The rear dropouts are a serious improvement over the pugsley. I like the rear brake mount on the chainstay. Frame looks like a frame. The big question is gonna be, what is a jetset rim and what are those vee rubber tires? As for the rest of the parts, nothing fancy.

    Be interesting to see how it handles...

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    Jetset has a new singlewall 70 on their website
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeG View Post
    9 speed, Alivio shifters, and ISIS BB are rather disappointing. Joytech hubs and Jetset rims are probably similar to the On-One Fatty. If the Vee rubber tires are their current models, then they're real heavy; it would be a good thing if Kona has Vee making a new, lighter tire for them. I guess that we'll see...
    I will say that the new Alivio shifters feel pretty good. Better than 4 years ago deore 9 speed shifters. With X7 cranks as an option it would have been nice to see something better than Isis for sure. I'm not familiar with the wheels from the Fatty. Honestly, I dealt with the guys from Planet X a few years ago and they were complete asses. I was an On-one fan until then, but now I would never buy one of their bikes. Because of that I haven't paid attention to their offering, much to my own detriment of knowledge.
    I can't imagine Kona has the pull to have Vee make something better. If it's better than the mission or the origin8 stuff I'm guessing it was in the pipeline before Kona asked. Could be wrong on that though. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens.

    Oh yeah, and Tektro Mechanicals!? Seriously!? Not on a $1700 bike with no suspension. The $499 Lanai comes with Tektro mechanicals. Even their $700 hardtails come with hydros. To me, that's a joke. Plan on shelling out more $$$ on an instant brake upgrade with that bike.

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    The geometry is something I would like to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SOS View Post
    Oh yeah, and Tektro Mechanicals!? Seriously!? Not on a $1700 bike with no suspension. The $499 Lanai comes with Tektro mechanicals. Even their $700 hardtails come with hydros. To me, that's a joke. Plan on shelling out more $$$ on an instant brake upgrade with that bike.
    I agree. Given the price, I'm somewhat disappointed in the build. Same price as a Pugsley, but at least with the Pug you get BB7s and Marge Lites and not-Joytech hubs.
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    I think people looking for innovation from Kona, Trek, Specialized, etc. are going to be sorely disappointed, at least for now. The point now is to take advantage of hype and dealer networks to sell a hot item at a premium price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithcreek View Post
    I think people looking for innovation from Kona, Trek, Specialized, etc. are going to be sorely disappointed, at least for now. The point now is to take advantage of hype and dealer networks to sell a hot item at a premium price.
    Agreed. THis is a test. if it works, it'll get more dollars for development. but for now, this is just a toe in the water. However, even for such a small test, they got someone else to make a 70mm rim. that means potentially one more rim option on the market.

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    Re: Kona Fat Bike

    Meh...

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    Interested in Geometry and thinking that the 1699 may be a bit high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckfiddious View Post
    Agreed. THis is a test. if it works, it'll get more dollars for development. but for now, this is just a toe in the water. However, even for such a small test, they got someone else to make a 70mm rim. that means potentially one more rim option on the market.
    Do we know it's a 70mm rim? I assumed it was the same as the On One Fatty, so not a specific Kona item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithcreek View Post
    I think people looking for innovation from Kona, Trek, Specialized, etc. are going to be sorely disappointed, at least for now. The point now is to take advantage of hype and dealer networks to sell a hot item at a premium price.
    Word. I'm just hoping tires get cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by druidh View Post
    Do we know it's a 70mm rim? I assumed it was the same as the On One Fatty, so not a specific Kona item.
    On jetset's website, there's a new single wall 70 mm rim listed. Also a bunch of cool looking trials rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by druidh View Post
    Do we know it's a 70mm rim? I assumed it was the same as the On One Fatty, so not a specific Kona item.

    From Jetset's website:
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    The 70mm rim is the Jetset HC-517S if you want to search for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    ...that shop is taking pre-orders already. Crazy!
    Have they given a delivery date?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Have they given a delivery date?

    They were saying August. But ya know how that can go....
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    Yeesh. What, pray tell, makes that justify a $1,700 msrp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    Yeesh. What, pray tell, makes that justify a $1,700 msrp?
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    I guess it could be worth the asking price if the frame is really nice(light).
    those HC-517S rims are the OnOne Fatty rims.
    Hopefully those rims, the joytech hubs and OnOne floater tires, as well as whatever tire Kona will be using all become available as replacement parts somewhere.

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    See, what I don't get though is a nice frame with crappy parts wouldn't make sense, because if one inevitably wants to upgrade those parts, they will spend wayyyyy more money than buying, say, a Pugsley to begin with.
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    you ever see a bike sold for MSRP?
    like EVER???
    MSRP is irrelevant, I'd expect it at 1499.
    more'n fine, but until i see geo sheets to convince me it'll be quick, it reminds me of a fat-tired ute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byknuts View Post
    you ever see a bike sold for MSRP?
    like EVER???
    Yes....frequently in small markets [I live in Canada so feel my pain! My MSRP is usually more than the US MSRP. ] - especially if you are special ordering in something the LBS doesn't stock.

    I just ordered a new frame and paid MSRP to support my LBS. I could have saved some $$$ buying mailorder from the US, but I knew I'd be riding that frame with guys from the LBS so that seemed like a bad idea!

    OTOH - Kona seems to regularly blow out their over stock at the end of the season so if you can't get a deal right away and they don't blow through their inventory you might just scoop up a Kona fatty on clearance.
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    I pay MSRP for any bike I have to have my shop special order. Gladly- i want them to make money and prosper. So, like all my Surlys. And my Transition Bandit 29. If I would have bought a Specialized from them, they'd discount it I'm sure. But I suppose in this context, if it is a Kona dealer with fatbikes in stock, sure, I'd assume a 10% discount if supply was plentiful.

    But then again, who factors in discounts when making comparisons? Especially if these bikes are hard to get, I can't imagine they'd be discounted right at release.

    If anything, like others have said, this should provide more parts options, so that's cool.
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    hey Vik, I'm in Bob n Doug-land as well.
    Still, don't think I've ever seen a bike at MSRP on the shop floor.
    But to be fair- I don't regularly look at "this year" models so maybe my view's skewed.
    My Ute for example is 675$. So ummm... yeah, well below msrp.
    I'm just hoping Kona steps up to make enough for there to be decent stock in any shop that wants them.
    I'm not buying Surly anymore for a reason...
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    No room for 100's or a Lou? Won't be on my radar. Already owned a skinny fatbike.
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    I would cautiously speculate that the Wo is directed towards the all seasons crowd, much like the On-One, rather than the snow-specific market that fatbikes were originally adopted by...just pure speculation on my part...
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    Quote Originally Posted by damnitman View Post
    I would cautiously speculate that the Wo is directed towards the all seasons crowd, much like the On-One, rather than the snow-specific market that fatbikes were originally adopted by...just pure speculation on my part...
    For sure. I doubt any of the big guys will jump on hundo's and big tires.
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    No sliding dropouts is a bummer for me... I'm out unless the geo is amazing. I'm a Kona fan-boy too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeG View Post
    From Jetset's website:
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    That new 70mm rim is my original 70mm without a bead lock from 2008.
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    Love Kona as a company...but for $50 more you get a Muk 3 with BB7's, Rolling Darryls, Formula hubs and Nates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugeye View Post
    Love Kona as a company...but for $50 more you get a Muk 3 with BB7's, Rolling Darryls, Formula hubs and Nates.
    Exaaaactly.
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    As long as they sell surlys in yer town...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugeye View Post
    Love Kona as a company...but for $50 more you get a Muk 3 with BB7's, Rolling Darryls, Formula hubs and Nates.
    and you can mail order Salsa Mukluks if you don't have a Salsa dealer locally or if your LBS has a QBP account they can call Salsa and work out a one time order if they have stock.

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    I have a local Kona dealer close to my house. I will be interested to see if they stock a fat bike or don't bother since we don't have snow.
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    So, the market for this bike is:
    A) People who really like the Kona brand.
    B) People who really dislike QBP/Surly/Salsa.
    C) People who want a bike that's in stock (maybe) when Surly's and Salsa's aren't?

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    Is there a chance that the MSRP was misreported?

    MSRP's are not irrelevant for Kona. MSRP's are irrelevant at, like, Performance Bike, or Bikes Direct, but not Kona.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    So, the market for this bike is:
    A) People who really like the Kona brand.
    B) People who really dislike QBP/Surly/Salsa.
    C) People who want a bike that's in stock (maybe) when Surly's and Salsa's aren't?
    That'd be my guess, too.

    Kona makes good bikes, bikes that are known to work. Remember, for most folks, Surly makes frames for people with piercings and tattoos who think showers are optional... and salsa makes skewers.

    It's really hard to commit to buying something as weird as a fatbike without a test ride. That's why I'm on a pugsley instead of a Salsa. The mukluk may be a better bike in every way but if I can't test ride something that different, I'm not gonna buy it.

    no matter what, it's another option. THat's cool no matter how you slice it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    C) People who want a bike that's in stock (maybe) when Surly's and Salsa's aren't?
    That's the key. If a Kona dealer brings in a fat bike for the showroom floor in a LBS that doesn't otherwise stock fatbikes you might covert some folks who would otherwise not buy a fatty.

    Having said that I was just at a LBS that is a solid Surly dealer that doesn't want to bring in any Pugs or MLs because they don't see a market for them - read into that none of the main store employees are stoked about them.

    It will be interesting to see how Kona offering this bike affects availability in the wild. If my local Kona dealer gets one in I'll take it for a test ride and chat with the employees about to see what their opinion is.

    If people are keen on fatbikes already there are lots of ways to satisfy that itch without Kona. Since the price and spec are nothing special what Kona can do is introduce fatties to a new crowd. If their dealers order them and if their store employees get stoked to sell them.

    I think to make that happen Kona will need to get their reps out in the field with some product and some stoke to generate awareness/interest in the LBS that are not fatbike friendly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugeye View Post
    Love Kona as a company...but for $50 more you get a Muk 3 with BB7's, Rolling Darryls, Formula hubs and Nates.
    If this spec sheet is accurate they've dropped the ball. I have two konas and love them, but in this case my muk3 is a killer deal compared to this. In no way would I consider this one, even if I haaaad to have a fatbike now and this one was on the floor I would pass it up. Sorry kona...

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    This thing should be $999.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    any LBS with a QBP account can order them even if they don't stock Muks.
    No they can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancake Adventure View Post
    No they can't.
    Actually they can. I checked with Salsa and a non-dealer with a QBP account can order Salsa product if there is stock available. They just need to contact Salsa and work out the details.
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    I guess there are a couple of good things about living in Minneapolis. We have plenty of snow to enjoy fat bikes in and are home to Surly and Salsa. Every Fall/Winter, most shops stock a ton of fat bikes so it is really easy to demo any size or style of the Pugs, Muks, and Moonlanders. It is also usually easy enough to find someone local to try other brands out also. Just a ton of fat bikes here. Also, many of our shops now rent Pugs and Muks for winter use, so it is really easy to demo a bike on a real ride for a day or two. The idea of not having fatbikes on display at the local bike shops is really foreign to me the last couple of winters.

    That said, I'd love to see the Kona in a shop. I rode an Explosif for years. Always liked my Kona. Got a Mukluk myself, but it is always cool to see the new fatbike offerings.

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    I like Kona quite a bit, so I'll withhold judgement until I see/ride the thing.

    Assuming a shop in my area brings one in, of course. BB5's though?

    ...not so much.

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    Maybe I missed it. Did someone post a photo?

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    That build is cheaper then an On-One.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1spd1way View Post
    Maybe I missed it. Did someone post a photo?
    I haven't seen a photo. If the due date is late summer there may not be any bikes to photograph yet beyond whatever prototypes that might exist.
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    The spec is as accurate as Kona tells their dealers. Kona does tend to change a thing or two from initial release, but it's not likely it will change much. Enough to justify the price? Hardly.

    The key to "anyone with a qbp account" getting a Muk is that they have to be in stock, which they weren't this year. For a while qbp even limited the avail of surly fat bikes to "stocking" dealers and only allowed orders of 6 or more at a time. Salsa is a limited brand in a way that Surly isn't. To limit Surly bikes wasn't a loyalty thing, it was a profit thing. Convince shops to buy 6 bikes so they can get the two bikes they really need. Kona doesn't do that, Trek only does that with their e-bikes. That is straight up BS since a lot of shops promised bikes to customers and then QBP changed their minds about supply once they realized how in demand they are. Qbp is like every other brand. They care about their product as long as it makes them money. Pretending like they are advocates of fat bikes past profit margins is BS. Now everyone is in on the party because QBP is making money. The big bike company's have no passion. They are selling "units" not bikes, and qbp is a big bike company. So is Kona.

    If this doesn't bug you, no worries. If it does, don't buy a Kona, a Surly, a Salsa, a Specialed, an On One, or an Origin-8. Buy from a smaller company like 9:zero:7 or Fatback. At least they care about the product they make money off of.

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    The frame should be available separately like most Kona bikes, correct? Wondering what the price will be.

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    Ok, wow.

    First: to be a salsa dealer you need to order at least 10 bikes or frames. If you are not, you can ask for product and you might get it if you are not too close to a Salsa dealer.

    Second: you could order one or two bikes from surly of you wanted, but if you got 6, you got a better price. They don't have a true dealer network.

    Third: pretty sure nobody "changed their mind" about how to sell bikes midway through a season. That makes no sense.

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    Actually they can. I checked with Salsa and a non-dealer with a QBP account can order Salsa product if there is stock available. They just need to contact Salsa and work out the details.
    50% correct.

    If there is stock, and they are not close to another Salsa dealer.

    Disclaimer: I work part time at a friends bike shop for the deallzzzzz, so I'm familiar with the order/dealer/preseason process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOS View Post
    The spec is as accurate as Kona tells their dealers. Kona does tend to change a thing or two from initial release, but it's not likely it will change much. Enough to justify the price? Hardly.

    The key to "anyone with a qbp account" getting a Muk is that they have to be in stock, which they weren't this year. For a while qbp even limited the avail of surly fat bikes to "stocking" dealers and only allowed orders of 6 or more at a time. Salsa is a limited brand in a way that Surly isn't. To limit Surly bikes wasn't a loyalty thing, it was a profit thing. Convince shops to buy 6 bikes so they can get the two bikes they really need. Kona doesn't do that, Trek only does that with their e-bikes. That is straight up BS since a lot of shops promised bikes to customers and then QBP changed their minds about supply once they realized how in demand they are. Qbp is like every other brand. They care about their product as long as it makes them money. Pretending like they are advocates of fat bikes past profit margins is BS. Now everyone is in on the party because QBP is making money. The big bike company's have no passion. They are selling "units" not bikes, and qbp is a big bike company. So is Kona.

    If this doesn't bug you, no worries. If it does, don't buy a Kona, a Surly, a Salsa, a Specialed, an On One, or an Origin-8. Buy from a smaller company like 9:zero:7 or Fatback. At least they care about the product they make money off of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancake Adventure View Post
    50% correct.

    If there is stock, and they are not close to another Salsa dealer.

    Disclaimer: I work part time at a friends bike shop for the deallzzzzz, so I'm familiar with the order/dealer/preseason process.
    I don't think any LBS can sell you something that is out of stock. Even if they are a dealer.

    And if there is a Salsa dealer 15 minutes away you can just go buy your Muk from them.

    Both those points seem pretty obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancake Adventure View Post

    Disclaimer: I work part time at a friends bike shop for the deallzzzzz, so I'm familiar with the order/dealer/preseason process.
    lots of LBS employees here as well as shop owners so your not breaking any ground with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SOS View Post
    Qbp is like every other brand. They care about their product as long as it makes them money. Pretending like they are advocates of fat bikes past profit margins is BS.
    I don't know of any bike company that's in business to make stuff without a profit motive. I want the companies I buy from to make a profit because I want them to build more cool stuff for me. QBP has invested in a number of fatbikes [Pugs, Neckro, Moonie, Muk, Muk Ti, Beargrease AL & carbon and Krampus if you consider that a fatty] and lots of fatbike specific parts [rims, cranks, tires].

    They've given us more fatbike choices than all the other companies combined. I don't get how that makes them the evil empire?

    As soon as Surly spent the $$ to build 29 x 3.0 tires and 50mm 29er rims a ton of companies started working on bikes to use them. I spoke to one smaller bike company owner and he has wanted 29 x 3.0" rubber for years, but the cost/risk was too much for him to take on and he was stoked Surly is providing the parts so he can now build bikes to go with them. I hope Surly makes a bunch of $$ on the Krampus so they make more 29 x 3.0" tires.


    If Kona/Trek/Spec comes to the table with new fatbike products that we all think are cool that would be great, but if they just want to rehash some generic concept of a fatbike using existing parts to get a chunk of the market without contributing to its evolution than I see nothing to get excited about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    If Kona/Trek/Spec comes to the table with new fatbike products that we all think are cool that would be great, but if they just want to rehash some generic concept of a fatbike using existing parts to get a chunk of the market without contributing to its evolution than I see nothing to get excited about.
    Except that would be "those evil corporate d!ckbags are starting a new proprietary standard so they can take over the sport!"

    I'm seeing Kona/Trek/Spec as damned if they do, damned if they don't here.

    I live in a town that is crazy about bikes and crazy about winter. We have a ton of bike shops. Want to guess how many of those bike shops have fatbikes on the floor, ready to buy? 2, maybe 3. At the beginning of winter.

    A big part of contributing to the evolution of fatbikes is going to simply be making them available to anyone who wants one whenever they want one.

    Because once fatbikes are no longer scarce, once you don't have to hope you can get one of the 1000 that got built this year, you're gonna start not feeling so happy about the crap equipment and the fact that they don't always work and that they weigh a ton.

    A trek X-caliber 29er has almost the same MSRP as a Pugsley. And yet, it's got better parts in every single place. Hydraulic brakes. Rims that are already made to be tubeless. An 11-36 cassette. And, it's available any time you want to buy a bike.

    And this all actually bodes very well for QBP- they may not be as big as Kona/Trek/Spec, but they have a massive head start, they have a big network of suppliers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I don't think any LBS can sell you something that is out of stock. Even if they are a dealer.

    And if there is a Salsa dealer 15 minutes away you can just go buy your Muk from them.

    Both those points seem pretty obvious.
    Right, so then "any QBP" account can't sell you a Salsa Product.

    /semantics

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    Kona is using Ferrari Bicycle brand tactics with their MSRP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I don't know of any bike company that's in business to make stuff without a profit motive. I want the companies I buy from to make a profit because I want them to build more cool stuff for me. QBP has invested in a number of fatbikes [Pugs, Neckro, Moonie, Muk, Muk Ti, Beargrease AL & carbon and Krampus if you consider that a fatty] and lots of fatbike specific parts [rims, cranks, tires].

    They've given us more fatbike choices than all the other companies combined. I don't get how that makes them the evil empire?
    No one said that it "makes" them the evil empire, but it sure as hell doesn't redeem them. QBP is not some happy-go-lucky group of bike geeks. They are a group of businessmen and warehouse workers many of whom don't ride bikes. Yes, a business that size has to be run like a business, but the deal that happened this year with surly proves that QBP is far more interested in making money than spreading the fat bike love. I know of quite a few shops who wanted fat bikes but couldn't afford to buy six at a shot so they were screwed. Most dealers didn't even know this was going on, but some did.
    I believe there is a place for the big brands. They are there to produce things that the little guy can't, like tires and rims. But I also believe it's important to know who is a big brand and who isn't.
    Honestly, I'd rather ride one of the little guys, but I ride a surly, so F-me anyway. I also like Kona as far as the people I've met who represent them, but they are in the party because there is money to be made, not because they wanted to be part of a really cool niche of the bike industry. Look at their S**T spec and that's pretty obvious.

    Yes, surly helped make fatbikes main stream, which I give them credit for and I think is great for those of us who may not have known about them otherwise. But their business practices are there to help them, not us. If they are breaking even on fat bikes, or even just making a small profit they'll drop them in a hurry and pretend they never had a thing to do with them in the first place. If a smaller company turns a very small profit after everyone is paid they are likely to keep going because there is a passion in their craft that the big guys forgot about years ago.

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    Speculations on seat post size? Will it accommodate an adjustable post?

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    less "who sucks more, qbp or kona" and more bikes!!

    so this is my kona ute with 3" gazzaloddis.
    pretty damn close to the Wo. Cost me under 700$ plus whatever fat stuff I had at home.

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    I feel bad for any shop stupid enough to get on this bandwagon with kona. Do you and your customers a favor and sell Salsas for a couple hundred bucks more. You just know these POS's are going break and Kona won't have any replacement warranty frames and its not like other models where they can say "oh you broke your 2008 cinder cone? here's a 2010 cinder cone" and also because they're making them out of aluminum its not possible to repair the cheap cracked welds when they develop. Some shops have access to local framebuilders who use steel, too bad kona went with one of its cheap chinese builders who 'specialize' in aluminum. Lots of guys are cumming in their pants over these, they should just spend the extra 300-600 bucks and get something good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by extreem biker View Post
    I feel bad for any shop stupid enough to get on this bandwagon with kona. Do you and your customers a favor and sell Salsas for a couple hundred bucks more. You just know these POS's are going break and Kona won't have any replacement warranty frames and its not like other models where they can say "oh you broke your 2008 cinder cone? here's a 2010 cinder cone" and also because they're making them out of aluminum its not possible to repair the cheap cracked welds when they develop. Some shops have access to local framebuilders who use steel, too bad kona went with one of its cheap chinese builders who 'specialize' in aluminum. Lots of guys are cumming in their pants over these, they should just spend the extra 300-600 bucks and get something good.

    Uhh, right. You should check this out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by extreem biker View Post
    I feel bad for any shop stupid enough to get on this bandwagon with kona. Do you and your customers a favor and sell Salsas for a couple hundred bucks more. You just know these POS's are going break and Kona won't have any replacement warranty frames and its not like other models where they can say "oh you broke your 2008 cinder cone? here's a 2010 cinder cone" and also because they're making them out of aluminum its not possible to repair the cheap cracked welds when they develop. Some shops have access to local framebuilders who use steel, too bad kona went with one of its cheap chinese builders who 'specialize' in aluminum. Lots of guys are cumming in their pants over these, they should just spend the extra 300-600 bucks and get something good.
    As someone with one of the many broken Snowblind Pugsleys, and a 2005 Kona Jake the Snake that has been abused, raced, crashed, etc for 9 years now and with about 25,000kms on it, I laugh at your post.

    I currently own the aforementioned 2005 JtS, a 2011 Explosif and just got my son a 2013 Kula 24, and my personal opinion is that Kona sources some of the best frames from Asia. The quality of the welds on all of these bikes puts those on my Pugs to shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by extreem biker View Post
    I feel bad for any shop stupid enough to get on this bandwagon with kona. Do you and your customers a favor and sell Salsas for a couple hundred bucks more. You just know these POS's are going break and Kona won't have any replacement warranty frames and its not like other models where they can say "oh you broke your 2008 cinder cone? here's a 2010 cinder cone" and also because they're making them out of aluminum its not possible to repair the cheap cracked welds when they develop. Some shops have access to local framebuilders who use steel, too bad kona went with one of its cheap chinese builders who 'specialize' in aluminum. Lots of guys are cumming in their pants over these, they should just spend the extra 300-600 bucks and get something good.
    You realize that Salsa's are aluminum right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by extreem biker View Post
    I feel bad for any shop stupid enough to get on this bandwagon with kona. Do you and your customers a favor and sell Salsas for a couple hundred bucks more. You just know these POS's are going break and Kona won't have any replacement warranty frames and its not like other models where they can say "oh you broke your 2008 cinder cone? here's a 2010 cinder cone" and also because they're making them out of aluminum its not possible to repair the cheap cracked welds when they develop. Some shops have access to local framebuilders who use steel, too bad kona went with one of its cheap chinese builders who 'specialize' in aluminum. Lots of guys are cumming in their pants over these, they should just spend the extra 300-600 bucks and get something good.
    I have an 2008 Cinder Cone. Those are tough to break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damnitman View Post
    ...give him a break...he's extreme, he must know what he's talking about...
    Correction... *extreem

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    Correction... *extreem
    as opposed to ystreem??
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    ...or as opposed to "D0UCHEE"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by byknuts View Post
    less "who sucks more, qbp or kona" and more bikes!!

    so this is my kona ute with 3" gazzaloddis.
    pretty damn close to the Wo. Cost me under 700$ plus whatever fat stuff I had at home.

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    "More bikes" indeed. Do you have any more photos of this one? How does it compare, floatation wise, with a normal fat bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot View Post
    You realize that Salsa's are aluminum right?
    Oh. My. God.

    Total brainfart on my part. I had a few beers by that point.

    I meant to say "Surly"

    Apologies for all of the fallout that probably came about from this.

    Its funny, though, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    As someone with one of the many broken Snowblind Pugsleys, and a 2005 Kona Jake the Snake that has been abused, raced, crashed, etc for 9 years now and with about 25,000kms on it, I laugh at your post.

    I currently own the aforementioned 2005 JtS, a 2011 Explosif and just got my son a 2013 Kula 24, and my personal opinion is that Kona sources some of the best frames from Asia. The quality of the welds on all of these bikes puts those on my Pugs to shame.
    You are very fortunate to have such positive experiences with the Kona brand. Ride in good health.

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    I've had lots of friends with Konas and they've had no issues with the frames. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one based on quality or warranty support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I've had lots of friends with Konas and they've had no issues with the frames. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one based on quality or warranty support.
    Yeah, I've had nothing but positive experiences with my Kona's... my Hei Hei 29 has been bulletproof.

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    Kona distributes 1000's of bikes around the world so chances are, most people have had good experiences with the Kona brand. Myself, based on my experience, I would never own one or encourage someone I know to own one. I realize this is a big wankfest for kona and their wo, so I probably should look for a kona bashing thread, which I'm sure won't be hard to find.

    Like I said, ride and enjoy, odds are you will never have an issue with kona or their bikes, enjoy.

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    This post finally confirmed this
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    This post finally confirmed this
    Awesome find. What a dark and mysterious video


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    As someone with one of the many broken Snowblind Pugsleys, and a 2005 Kona Jake the Snake that has been abused, raced, crashed, etc for 9 years now and with about 25,000kms on it, I laugh at your post.

    I currently own the aforementioned 2005 JtS, a 2011 Explosif and just got my son a 2013 Kula 24, and my personal opinion is that Kona sources some of the best frames from Asia. The quality of the welds on all of these bikes puts those on my Pugs to shame.
    Agreed, I have had nothing but good experiences with Kona ans truth be told I may have gotten this Kona instead of my pug if it was an option. Kona is even warrantying a 2001 Firemountain for me. I love the brand and will keep buying them. I just scooped the new Unit and it is a thing of beauty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    This post finally confirmed this
    I am not sure if this confirms anything. All I see is a fat front with a Carver carbon fat fork on a frame with a "Kona" decal. There is a Carver carbon top cap (this was the real clue and is the same as on my Carver fork setup). Scrutinizing this dark video closely tells me the outline is probably a Carver fork.

    Yes, it could be a full fat and a new bike frame from Kona, but I don't see anything that confirms it, and from what has been "reported" thus far, I doubt they'd spec a Carver carbon fork on this build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saw View Post
    "More bikes" indeed. Do you have any more photos of this one? How does it compare, floatation wise, with a normal fat bike?
    Hey Saw: no new pics, was really a late-night "What if?!"
    I''m hoping to have a pair of 47mm rims laced up soon.
    Then the plan is- pop the gazzi on that wheel in a Z3qr20 with blackspire brace in front.

    I CAN however speak to how good on gazzis on 40mm spank rims are on the beach- pretty damn good. My local beach is usually wetish sand, not dry silty stuff.
    It'll still dig in a bit but really, it works.
    No oddball frame needed and as I've said before, I'll take 3" of tire under 6" of fox 36 fork travel over 3.7" tire on a rigid fork.... allllll daaaay looong.
    If steel is real then aluminium is supercallafragiliniun!

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    Never see the rear wheel correct? Could be a half fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoobytao View Post
    I am not sure if this confirms anything. All I see is a fat front with a Carver carbon fat fork on a frame with a "Kona" decal. There is a Carver carbon top cap (this was the real clue and is the same as on my Carver fork setup). Scrutinizing this dark video closely tells me the outline is probably a Carver fork.

    Yes, it could be a full fat and a new bike frame from Kona, but I don't see anything that confirms it, and from what has been "reported" thus far, I doubt they'd spec a Carver carbon fork on this build.
    If you actually read the article that started this thread:

    "The bike will be called the Wo, a reference to Hawaii Five-O villan Wo Fat, the master Chinese spy and super criminal. The frame is 6061 aluminum, mated to a fat-sized version of the classic Kona P2 steel fork. Build details include Shimano shifters and derailleurs, an FSA crankset, Tektro mechanical disc brakes, and Joytech hubs spaced 135mm front and 170mm rear. The stock tires will be Vee Rubber's Mission 26x4.0."

    I'm sure the Carver bits are just on there for now for testing, who knows.

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    I'm with you on the suspension fork. My rigid aluminum fork is beating me up, even with the 4.8 tires. (I'm not as young and resilient as I used to be.)

    Love the concept of your bike. The ideal end state for my Tommi Sea is something like a fat Kona MinUte with 20" long Xtracycle Freeloaders on the back and a suspension fork that can handle panniers on the front. Something like a pedal powered Land Rover 110.

    Quote Originally Posted by byknuts View Post
    Hey Saw: no new pics, was really a late-night "What if?!"
    I''m hoping to have a pair of 47mm rims laced up soon.
    Then the plan is- pop the gazzi on that wheel in a Z3qr20 with blackspire brace in front.

    I CAN however speak to how good on gazzis on 40mm spank rims are on the beach- pretty damn good. My local beach is usually wetish sand, not dry silty stuff.
    It'll still dig in a bit but really, it works.
    No oddball frame needed and as I've said before, I'll take 3" of tire under 6" of fox 36 fork travel over 3.7" tire on a rigid fork.... allllll daaaay looong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duggus View Post
    If you actually read the article that started this thread:

    "The bike will be called the Wo, a reference to Hawaii Five-O villan Wo Fat, the master Chinese spy and super criminal. The frame is 6061 aluminum, mated to a fat-sized version of the classic Kona P2 steel fork. Build details include Shimano shifters and derailleurs, an FSA crankset, Tektro mechanical disc brakes, and Joytech hubs spaced 135mm front and 170mm rear. The stock tires will be Vee Rubber's Mission 26x4.0."

    I'm sure the Carver bits are just on there for now for testing, who knows.
    I was not debating anything about Kona's intent, only commenting about the supposition that this video confirmed anything about their intent.

    I said "Scrutinizing this dark video closely tells me the outline is probably a Carver fork." It was not just the topcap. P2 fork legs are round. There is not a lot to work with in this video, but in a few frames you can see the legs appear to be flattened/ovalized and otherwise shaped like the Carver fork on my fatbike. You can even kinda see the decal on the left side of it in the video link itself. (You need to be familiar enough with the fork to recognize the outline and colors of the decal to know what you are looking for).

    But it would not tbe the first time I was wrong, and clearly this video is propaganda from Kona intended to inform and educate us abut their product development.

    Dont let me dissuade you from believing whatever you want. Faith base trolling is what makes the world wide web go around.

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    It definitely is a Carver fork, wasn't arguing that... you didn't sound like you believed that Kona was working on a fatty, that was all my point was.

    I'm guessing that was a Kona frame only build... but who knows. It was from the Kona vimeo channel so I doubt they were faking it.

    They posted this article today on facebook though... maybe another hint they are interested in that market

    Kona Honzo fat front:
    How We Roll: Montana Miller's fat-front Kona Honzo | Dirt Rag Magazine

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    Couldn't be.... could it?

    Trek To Release 29in Fuel EX And Remedy Models - BikeRadar

    The mystery third bike will also be revealed at the end of the month at a media launch in Sedona, Arizona. "And no, itís not a 650b bike," said Trek mountain bike brand manager Travis Ott in an email. "Itís much better than that."

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    Ooh, a mystery bike.

    Usually that type of announcement leads to disappointment for most that read it. Everyone that reads it imagines it being whatever they might want to see, then when it actually comes out, most are disappointed because it wasn't what they had imagined.

    So, are they launching a bike so great that all will be impressed. that is the only way they could come out ahead. Otherwise, they should just leave it be until it is announced.

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    like the old school (93?) decals!

    edit: on the Kona in the vid i mean....

    i could be wrong but the frame looked ti-ish....

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