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    Look what just came in the mail. Both weigh exactly 882 grams with the rubber band. Note: These are the 4.0's

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    Has anyone tried 4.0 or 4.5's in snow yet?
    If so, how did they work?

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    Read the last couple pages, all is answered there

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    First impressions. The tires mounted up super easy tubeless on my 65mm Light bicycle carbon hoops. Had no leakage anywhere, which was nice for once. I took my Pugs out for the maiden voyage this morning. Dirt roads were solid and the trails were a mixture of leaves, solid dirt and a little mud from the sun drying out the wet spots. Right away I thought the Kenda's made less noise then my Husker Du on the pavement. I was stoked to think maybe they would roll better then the Du's. This was not the case at all. I was getting dropped coasting on the downhills by guys I usually are side by side with. Then when we got into the trails the bike felt very sluggish compared to my Du's. It got to a point I got off the bike to check to make sure my brakes were not applied. We continued to hit more trails and the feeling of high resistance was still there. Once we got off the trail we hit some more dirt roads. I know these roads well and I know how my bike should feel on them. Again, I continued to get dropped on the downhills and the climbs. The tires just don't roll very well. I got home and checked tire pressure. 11 in the rear and 9 in the front, Exactly what I run the Du's at. Maybe I was having an off day in the saddle, I really hope so. The Kenda seems like a great all around tire. I will need to put some more time on them before I condemn them and go back to the Du's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DubzOxford View Post
    First impressions. The tires mounted up super easy tubeless on my 65mm Light bicycle carbon hoops. Had no leakage anywhere, which was nice for once. I took my Pugs out for the maiden voyage this morning. Dirt roads were solid and the trails were a mixture of leaves, solid dirt and a little mud from the sun drying out the wet spots. Right away I thought the Kenda's made less noise then my Husker Du on the pavement. I was stoked to think maybe they would roll better then the Du's. This was not the case at all. I was getting dropped coasting on the downhills by guys I usually are side by side with. Then when we got into the trails the bike felt very sluggish compared to my Du's. It got to a point I got off the bike to check to make sure my brakes were not applied. We continued to hit more trails and the feeling of high resistance was still there. Once we got off the trail we hit some more dirt roads. I know these roads well and I know how my bike should feel on them. Again, I continued to get dropped on the downhills and the climbs. The tires just don't roll very well. I got home and checked tire pressure. 11 in the rear and 9 in the front, Exactly what I run the Du's at. Maybe I was having an off day in the saddle, I really hope so. The Kenda seems like a great all around tire. I will need to put some more time on them before I condemn them and go back to the Du's.
    Don't bother, the Husker Du's are way better, those Kenda's are superb in weight, but that's all. Those Kenda's are superb on flat beach conditions or dryland.

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    The 4.5 is a big boat anchor, the 4.0 probably a not so big boat anchor :-)
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    Than you need more body weight lol

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    Been riding the 4.0 pros for a few days now. they made my crestone feel way lighter but they don't roll very well at all. switched back to the 4.0 jumbo liteskins today. better tire in every way but weight and price.

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    I just got my pair and here's my initial thoughts:

    1. They are LIGHT. But they are also very low profile in the knobs and very, very thin. I ride mainly beach with sand and rocky Puget Sound areas....we'll see how they hold up.

    My Borealis Yampa with a well warn Knard and a 45N Dillinger up front weighted 26 pounds. The Kendas mounted up on my Marge Lites tubeless super easy. Easier than any tires I have tried prior. The tires are also the most true I have tried...no hops and no wobble.

    My bike now weighs 24.1 pounds...just about two pounds off the bike!

    First ride was on trails with some water and mud. I did not notice the drag some have mentioned. Set up tubeless I felt these rolled faster than my prior set up. They gripped well but in the slimy mud they slip but grab (while the Knard just slips).

    I am looking forward to see how these work on Sand...many of my friends cut their Endos and Larrys down for sand and I think these may be perfect they way they are....especially for a 3 season tire. I am unsure how these would be on snow.

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    I've had the 4.0 Pros for a few weeks now. The posters talking about the tires not rolling well, eh disagree. I've been riding the midwest on them so no snow (i wouldn't ride them in snow) on both river trails and some of the nicest real mountain bike trails wisconsin has to offer. That said these roll fast and climb faster, the 4.0 is rough on the down hills with a rigid fork. I'm still crossing my fingers that a tire with low knobs like the Jugger in a 5" will make production some day. Until that day these are a great fast tire for someone used to riding fast 29er's etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelHumpal View Post
    I've had the 4.0 Pros for a few weeks now. The posters talking about the tires not rolling well, eh disagree. I've been riding the midwest on them so no snow (i wouldn't ride them in snow) on both river trails and some of the nicest real mountain bike trails wisconsin has to offer. That said these roll fast and climb faster, the 4.0 is rough on the down hills with a rigid fork. I'm still crossing my fingers that a tire with low knobs like the Jugger in a 5" will make production some day. Until that day these are a great fast tire for someone used to riding fast 29er's etc.
    What tires were you on before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negotiator50 View Post
    What tires were you on before?

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    I'm pretty inexperienced with tubeless but the sidewall leaks seam excessive. I hope 6oz of stans is enough to seal it all and i need to keep adding air and shaking every hour to keep them from going flat and falling off the bead. Did anyone else experience this?

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    Welcome to kenda tires. The 29er tires I had did the same thing. Can't get feather light tires and expect much rubber in the side walls. But that's why I use home brew sealant, so much better at dealing with that problem than stans imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeroc40 View Post
    I'm pretty inexperienced with tubeless but the sidewall leaks seam excessive. I hope 6oz of stans is enough to seal it all and i need to keep adding air and shaking every hour to keep them from going flat and falling off the bead. Did anyone else experience this?
    Wow!
    I wouldn't bother going tubeless with these.
    I'll stick with tubes with some sealant in them.

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    I had mine tubeless on nextie rims and they sealed up great, surely did not have seepage like your photos show. I only ran them for a couple weeks and switched back to jumbo jims, the rolling resistance on mine sucked, I see others that say they think they are fast though. I guess it's one of those YMMV.

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    I dont know what tyres you guys were running before mounting the juggernauts, but surely not jumbo jims, even the winter setup, 45nrth flow and dunderbeist have less rolling resistance than the juggernauts. And the beists roll lot heavier then the schwalbe's
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    Quote Originally Posted by fagro View Post
    Wow!
    I wouldn't bother going tubeless with these.
    I'll stick with tubes with some sealant in them.
    But the sealant makes such a lovely pattern on the sidewalls.

    Surely it's gotta be worth it just for that ? LOL



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    I picked up a pair of the 4.5 Jug sports (couldn't resist, $90 shipped for the pair). On a 93mm rim, the carcass is only a few mm wider than the stock 4.0 Chaoyang, AKA Fat Be Nimble. The 4.0 measures 100mm at the carcass and I didn't get an exact measurement on the Jug. Lug-to-lug measurement is notable wider on the Jug though, which it should be. The specified vs actual measurements of all fat bike tires, even on very wide rims, is maddening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadgerOne View Post
    I picked up a pair of the 4.5 Jug sports (couldn't resist, $90 shipped for the pair). On a 93mm rim, the carcass is only a few mm wider than the stock 4.0 Chaoyang, AKA Fat Be Nimble. The 4.0 measures 100mm at the carcass and I didn't get an exact measurement on the Jug. Lug-to-lug measurement is notable wider on the Jug though, which it should be. The specified vs actual measurements of all fat bike tires, even on very wide rims, is maddening.
    You need to compare bead to bead measurements.

    Measuring width of the non-flattened (by the ground) section of a snow tire, or really any fat tire, doesn't make much sense to me even though you see it all the time in reviews. If the cross section is taller but the width is the same, the contact patch will still be wider. And if you just put them on, it might change as well as they stretch.

    FWIW, I think the Jugg 4.5 should be 245mm bead to bead, and the FBN somewhere closer to 217. That's a lot more volume even if your width measurements don't indicate it.

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    Which tubes for the 4.5" Juggers

    A laugh... and then a quick advice request...

    I got a Moto FB4 Comp a couple weeks ago THIRD hand. Needless to say, I got a pretty good deal on it and have had fun getting it back into top running gear along with moving some hot rod parts from the parts shelf to my green piggy that is destined for winter beater status.

    First thing I bought for the bike was a set of 4.5" Juggernauts. I figure they'll get me around well in the relatively mild winter here in Virginia. Plus, the price was irresistible ($89/pair and free shipping via Trail This on eBay). I'll probably go to a set of 4.0 tires for casual summer trail riding.

    Anyway, I pulled off the Vee Missions and found this tube inside. OMG...LOL... SIX patches! Six!

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    Surprisingly, this Vee Rubber 4.0 tube has held up to some pretty rough rides I've put it through over the past couple weeks.

    So the Q...

    I know for a 4.0 tire, the usual advice is to go with the Q-tubes 2.4-2.75 tube. But what about for these 4.5 inchers? Have you run the Q-tubes in the bigger tires with good luck, or should I just go ahead and get the Ultra-Light Surly tube (3.0-4.8). Something else?

    Thanks in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaMustang View Post
    A laugh... and then a quick advice request...

    I got a Moto FB4 Comp a couple weeks ago THIRD hand. Needless to say, I got a pretty good deal on it and have had fun getting it back into top running gear along with moving some hot rod parts from the parts shelf to my green piggy that is destined for winter beater status.

    First thing I bought for the bike was a set of 4.5" Juggernauts. I figure they'll get me around well in the relatively mild winter here in Virginia. Plus, the price was irresistible ($89/pair and free shipping via Trail This on eBay). I'll probably go to a set of 4.0 tires for casual summer trail riding.

    Anyway, I pulled off the Vee Missions and found this tube inside. OMG...LOL... SIX patches! Six!

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    Surprisingly, this Vee Rubber 4.0 tube has held up to some pretty rough rides I've put it through over the past couple weeks.

    So the Q...

    I know for a 4.0 tire, the usual advice is to go with the Q-tubes 2.4-2.75 tube. But what about for these 4.5 inchers? Have you run the Q-tubes in the bigger tires with good luck, or should I just go ahead and get the Ultra-Light Surly tube (3.0-4.8). Something else?

    Thanks in advance!
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    Not the Qtubes, but I've run the Specialized 2.3-3.0X24" tubes in the Bud/Lou without issue before I switched to tubeless.
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    I've got the Q-tubes on Snowshoe XL 4.8...so far so good, though only about 30 miles in on easy/moderate terrain. Oh...and that tube is good comedy, thanks!

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    *hangs head in shame*
    Other than that triple patch monstrosity I see no problems with 6.

    I've seated beads on 4.8s with 26x2.3-2.5 but never rode them, only rode in 3.8s.

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    Running the 4.5 Sports and feel they are absolutely slow. Compared the 4.7 Bulldozers, a somewhat scientific coasting test informed me that the rolling resistance is hugely worse on the Juggernauts. Considering swapping them at this point. Grip is there, though, for sure.

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    ^^ Exactly how I feel about them. The weight is fine, and the thin sidewalls allow good flex, but they are pigs to ride. If I leave them on, by spring I will be in the best shape of my life.

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    I set my Surly Wednesday up with Juggernaut Pro 4.0. I can't make it out to the woods until this weekend. I will not be riding snow, I live in Tampa. So, the Juggarnauts are just for dirt.

    Testing these tires out on the street, the tire behaves strangly at slow tight turns. It's a form of self steering. I think the rubber is thinner under about 3/4 inch of the tread on each side. It almost seems when you get on that edge that it must flatten out and the bike wants to pull on that edge.

    Has anyone else experienced this on the Juggernaut 4.0 Pro? If so, does it ride better on the dirt trails?

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    All my fat tires feel like shit on the street when run at the pressures I run them on the trail.

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    Matto6,

    Thanks. Your right I won't know anything until I get on the trail and test them out.

    Another question: My digital tire pressure guage sucks with presta valves. I was thinking of either getting a Meiser (analog) 15psi presta or 30psi presta. Anybody using either of these with success on their fat bikes?

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    I think there may be a whole thread on gauges for fatbikes somewhere

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    Okay here's my question..... would the juggernaut 4.5 sport be a good choice for a mud/snow tire? I already have a spring/summer/fall, but are they that slow that I couldn't use them all year long and keep up (actually I am faster) with a group of 26" rider's?

    A ebay seller has them for $89.99 a pair, that seems cheap enough but decent enough for a knobby tire.

    I'm not looking for a speed demon tire, just somthing that I can keep up with my 15mph average speed.


    I do alot of log rides (some up to 140 feet long) and need these tires to have some bite on logs.

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    Juggs 4.50 Sports grip great, but are real pigs on damp trail

    I bought a set of the 4.5 Sports (probably from same seller -- BTW, very good seller - fast shipping). However, I felt like the tires were like tank tracks. Really solid and confident grip, but took A LOT more effort to go the same speed as I did on 4.0 Vee Missions -- to be expected.

    The Juggs went on very easily and are impressive once on the wheel... especially the big wheels I am using (100mm and 80mm).

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    I rode them on a cool, misty day -- mid 40s (Fahrenheit). I set them both at 7.0 psi (with the Vee Rubber tubes). Getting on the bike for the first time after installing, I noticed I had to swing my leg higher and was now an inch or so higher up (probably more BB and pedal clearance). When I rolled around the parking lot, I noticed no self steer (surprisingly). They seemed stable and quite agile for their size.

    As I first dropped in, I was impressed with the grip. Wow! However, within the first few minutes I noticed a big increase in required effort. After 30 minutes or so, I was convinced that these tires were really slow rollers and felt like they were super heavy. After a 2 hour ride, I was pretty sure they were coming off immediately.

    It's probably not a fair comparison, but I put a set of 4.0 Panaracer FBNs for the next ride (from same ebay seller) in the same conditions (two days later) and flew around the same course with much greater ease.

    Back to the Juggs. I don't think they are bad tires, they are just massive overkill for the conditions I rode them (here in northern Virginia). I'm keeping them for when I ride in much harsher conditions -- super sloppy or snow. I would think that with even lower pressure (5-6 psi), they'll ride over most anything -- though with a good bit more effort.

    Hope this helps a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaMustang View Post
    I bought a set of the 4.5 Sports (probably from same seller -- BTW, very good seller - fast shipping). However, I felt like the tires were like tank tracks. Really solid and confident grip, but took A LOT more effort to go the same speed as I did on 4.0 Vee Missions -- to be expected.

    The Juggs went on very easily and are impressive once on the wheel... especially the big wheels I am using (100mm and 80mm).

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    I rode them on a cool, misty day -- mid 40s (Fahrenheit). I set them both at 7.0 psi (with the Vee Rubber tubes). Getting on the bike for the first time after installing, I noticed I had to swing my leg higher and was now an inch or so higher up (probably more BB and pedal clearance). When I rolled around the parking lot, I noticed no self steer (surprisingly). They seemed stable and quite agile for their size.

    As I first dropped in, I was impressed with the grip. Wow! However, within the first few minutes I noticed a big increase in required effort. After 30 minutes or so, I was convinced that these tires were really slow rollers and felt like they were super heavy. After a 2 hour ride, I was pretty sure they were coming off immediately.

    It's probably not a fair comparison, but I put a set of 4.0 Panaracer FBNs for the next ride (from same ebay seller) in the same conditions (two days later) and flew around the same course with much greater ease.

    Back to the Juggs. I don't think they are bad tires, they are just massive overkill for the conditions I rode them (here in northern Virginia). I'm keeping them for when I ride in much harsher conditions -- super sloppy or snow. I would think that with even lower pressure (5-6 psi), they'll ride over most anything -- though with a good bit more effort.

    Hope this helps a bit.
    _Matt
    Matt, that helps alot. I think for a winter tire that won't break the bank these are my best bet. I'm not a speed demon, not looking to break any strava times. Just looking to have fun. I'll use these for winter, early spring when it's mud and maybe fall depending on how they work out for me. I think these paired with fbn would be probably the best setup for around $200.

    Just curious though, what kind of riding do you do? Where are you located to get an idea of the trails your riding. I'm in NY, so rocks,roots,mud,logs,snow you name it we pretty much have it. I'm guessing the juggernauts are a durable tire.


    Edit:saw a 4.5 pro on ebay for $60 each are they better than the sport? Same size knobs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by traditiionalist View Post
    Edit:saw a 4.5 pro on ebay for $60 each are they better than the sport? Same size knobs?
    Same tire, but Pro will be a lighter tire since it's not a wire bead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DubzOxford View Post
    First impressions. The tires mounted up super easy tubeless on my 65mm Light bicycle carbon hoops. Had no leakage anywhere, which was nice for once. I took my Pugs out for the maiden voyage this morning. Dirt roads were solid and the trails were a mixture of leaves, solid dirt and a little mud from the sun drying out the wet spots. Right away I thought the Kenda's made less noise then my Husker Du on the pavement. I was stoked to think maybe they would roll better then the Du's. This was not the case at all. I was getting dropped coasting on the downhills by guys I usually are side by side with. Then when we got into the trails the bike felt very sluggish compared to my Du's. It got to a point I got off the bike to check to make sure my brakes were not applied. We continued to hit more trails and the feeling of high resistance was still there. Once we got off the trail we hit some more dirt roads. I know these roads well and I know how my bike should feel on them. Again, I continued to get dropped on the downhills and the climbs. The tires just don't roll very well. I got home and checked tire pressure. 11 in the rear and 9 in the front, Exactly what I run the Du's at. Maybe I was having an off day in the saddle, I really hope so. The Kenda seems like a great all around tire. I will need to put some more time on them before I condemn them and go back to the Du's.

    I'm very surprised to hear this. I was really looking forward to these as a fast summer tire. Strange that they're so light but roll so slowly...

    Perhaps they'll roll better once "broken in"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    I'm very surprised to hear this. I was really looking forward to these as a fast summer tire. Strange that they're so light but roll so slowly...

    Perhaps they'll roll better once "broken in"?
    I'll be ordering a pair within the next few days... I'll let you know my observations. Coming from a 2.3 nevegal on a 26" tire I'm used to slow rolling tires.

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    Superfast tyre if you take the 4.0 120tpi.

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    That's not what the ride reports are saying.

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    Got two guys here who have them on their Inferno fatbikes, they are holding up with 29ers easily. I just was a little too late with ordering these, and they are out of stock for a while here in Europe. May be they had other series than? Because what I have seen there were hardly knobs on those tyres and asked if they had any problems to stay on the bike in muddy conditions.

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    Here's an interesting review from fat-bike.de The Kenda Juggernaut 4.0 Pro is the lightest FATBike tire

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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    All my fat tires feel like shit on the street when run at the pressures I run them on the trail.
    Not mine.
    Both Ground Controls and Barbegazis' feel fine the the pavement at 5 PSI - no self steer, no strange behavior at all.

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    I've had the Barbegazi's for two weeks now and have ridden them in a lot of different conditions. As much as I like them, they do have horrible self steer. I don't know how anyone could miss it.
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    ZERO self steer on my Barbis down to 5 PSI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    I've had the Barbegazi's for two weeks now and have ridden them in a lot of different conditions. As much as I like them, they do have horrible self steer. I don't know how anyone could miss it.
    I think steering geometry can play into the equation.
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    Yep - head angle can play into it, no doubt.
    I have zero self steer on the Farley 7/Barbis.

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    Not really. It's the tread design. It doesn't have a center line of treads and actually two parallel lines of tread just off center they conspire to fight control of the tire. I've used a bunch of different tires and I'm not shy saying something I spent a bunch of money on isn't perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    Not really. It's the tread design. It doesn't have a center line of treads and actually two parallel lines of tread just off center they conspire to fight control of the tire. I've used a bunch of different tires and I'm not shy saying something I spent a bunch of money on isn't perfect.
    Boom headshot! I've noticed this forum has more than it's fair share of confirmation bias.

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    Then there's the, "This happens to me so it must be true for everyone else in all circumstances." bias.
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    Can't we all just get along????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    Not really. It's the tread design. It doesn't have a center line of treads and actually two parallel lines of tread just off center they conspire to fight control of the tire.
    I'm not going to sit here and tell you that you're not experiencing what your experiencing, but I don't think the treads are working against you in the way you describe. It doesn't work that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    I've used a bunch of different tires and I'm not shy saying something I spent a bunch of money on isn't perfect.
    I appreciate that - we need more of that around here quite frankly.
    All I can say is that I know what self-steer is as I experienced it in an acute fashion with the 2013 Kona Wo and those V tires. The Barbagazi tires are very well behaved for me - in fact I rode out to the road this morning to test again at 5 PSI. Absolutely self-steer free.

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