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    Quote Originally Posted by PlutonicPlague View Post
    Thanks Welnic. Sounds like they are a lighter and less bulky spare to haul around. I should give the Q-tubes a try. I've also heard that the Specialized tubes in the same 2.4" - 2.75" size are worth a try. I ride mainly on the beach, and thorns aren't a problem on the trails I ride. I might stay lucky and continue to avoid flats!
    I have been running the Q tubes in both our fat bikes with very good results. The Bontragers are good too. The Surly light tubes are a bit heavier than the Q version even though they are technically the same parent company.

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    I rode my wirebead Juggernauts this weekend for the first time. They rolled very fast and hooked up well in soft moondust and dirt in Fruita, CO. Overall, I was very pleased. Pressures ranged from 7.0 on day 1 to 6.3 on day 2, at the lower pressure there was a hint of self-steer. The sidewalls are quite stiff, I suspect I could run them below 5 in these conditions. I ran them tubeless on Hed carbon rims, they were a bit of a fight to seat, but once it was done, no issues. At these pressures, they did not seem to dribble too much in rocky sections, although I did have one big rebound that reminded me of the Scott Unishock.

    Basically, the heavier, wirebead version is pretty good, and at about $60 retail, priced well to be trashed over a summer season. If I can get the Kevlar versions to replace these, I will, and I suspect I have several good months of riding before this pair is done. If I recall correctly, weight was 1100-something grams. The bike is 27.1 with them if I take my KingCage MudFlask off (to refill it, of course, with 12oz of Boathouse Bourbon goodness. For safety).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stockli Boy View Post
    I rode my wirebead Juggernauts this weekend for the first time. They rolled very fast and hooked up well in soft moondust and dirt in Fruita, CO. Overall, I was very pleased. Pressures ranged from 7.0 on day 1 to 6.3 on day 2, at the lower pressure there was a hint of self-steer. The sidewalls are quite stiff, I suspect I could run them below 5 in these conditions. I ran them tubeless on Hed carbon rims, they were a bit of a fight to seat, but once it was done, no issues. At these pressures, they did not seem to dribble too much in rocky sections, although I did have one big rebound that reminded me of the Scott Unishock.

    Basically, the heavier, wirebead version is pretty good, and at about $60 retail, priced well to be trashed over a summer season. If I can get the Kevlar versions to replace these, I will, and I suspect I have several good months of riding before this pair is done. If I recall correctly, weight was 1100-something grams. The bike is 27.1 with them if I take my KingCage MudFlask off (to refill it, of course, with 12oz of Boathouse Bourbon goodness. For safety).
    Were they the 4.5 or 4.0 juggernauts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigH View Post
    If anyone is looking for the 4.5" Sport (Wire bead) AEbike has them in stock here for the best prices I've seen:
    Kenda Juggernaut Tire 26 x 4.5" Steel Bead Black - AEBike.com
    I picked them up yesterday but haven't mounted, ridden or weighed them yet.

    The knobs are taller than I expected based on the photos I've seen.

    Likely be cutting the center knobs off anyway turning them into a budget Endo/BFL sand tire ala Ward.

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    Is there anyone who can tell us how the juggernauts ride in the real world ?

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    I just got a set of 4.5 juggernauts yesterday. They have great grip and braking performance, however, the rolling resistance is relatively bad. The tires exhibit virtually no self steer although I have only run them on higher pressures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalrusWrangler View Post
    I just got a set of 4.5 juggernauts yesterday. They have great grip and braking perfirmance, however the rolling resistance is relatively bad. The tires exhibit virtually no rolling resistance although I have only run them on higher pressures.

    ????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swerny View Post
    ????
    That totally contradicts itself
    Sorry accidently said rolling resistance twice. Thanks for catching that.

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    I would think no rolling resistance to be a good thing . Amazing quite actually

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalrusWrangler View Post
    Were they the 4.5 or 4.0 juggernauts?
    4.0. I like them in the dirt, wouldn't even bother in snow.

    4/11/15 Update: I've tested several pressures, and they seem to self steer pretty badly below 6.5PSI on dirt, but are pretty happy at 7.1-6.9PSI without self steer or dribbling. They did well in loose dirt, moondust, and platy rocks in western Colorado. A bit of tearout when out of the saddle on steep climbs, not much grip on steep off-camber stuff, but overall, for the price, a good pair to chew up until the now flies. These are wirebead 4.0.
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    Hi,

    Any word when 4.0 Pro version will be available for average peddal pusher?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalrusWrangler View Post
    I just got a set of 4.5 juggernauts yesterday. They have great grip and braking performance, however, the rolling resistance is relatively bad. The tires exhibit virtually no self steer although I have only run them on higher pressures.
    Just put the 4.5 juggernauts on the front last night (bought one for now as I have to test fitment on the rear). Rode to the bus stop this morning, and agree with your assessment! No self steer, as good as my husker dus, but definitely more rolling resistance, which is to be expected. Measured just shy of 110mm on an 80mm rim. Also agree the knobs are quite pronounced.

    Oh yeah tried my best to weigh, kinda hard being a write bread tire, but came in right around 1500g, not a lightweight.

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    So anybody? Anything?

    No word about when Pro wersion will go public?

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    Used the 4.5 for a trail ride (loaded with a heavy pack), 2 flats due to thorns (one front, one back). I think the knobs are spaced too far apart so that the tire casing is actually in contact with the ground. Changed to 4.7" Bulldozers for the next day with no flats on the same trail.

    I bought the 4.5 Juggernaut tires to use for beach & sand, they just can't be used for trails.

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    I bought a pair of the 4.5's for my Fatboy before I went on vacation to Florida. I anticipated doing a bit of pavement riding and didn't want to wear out my Ground Controls. They performed well on the beach until the pressure got really low, then there was noticeable self steer. They were fine for pavement. When I got home and hit the trails is when the performance fell off sharply. The first trail I rode was one I hadn't ridden for a couple of years. The tires were very bouncy during a large portion the the ride. I stopped ant let some air out of them and the bounce decreased, but the rolling resistance increased. When I get back to my car I checked the pressures, 3.5 front and 5 rear. Much lower than I had been running on dry trails.

    The second trail was a very familiar trail which I had ridden not too long ago. I increased pressure to 5 front and 10 rear because I know this was a smoother trail. The tires seemed slow to me, even the downhill sections where I knew what to expect the didn't carry the speed as well as the Ground Controls. Felt like I was working much harder to ride at my normal pace. I can only attribute this to greater rolling resistance. I re-mountd the Ground Controls when I returned from the ride.

    I liked the price ($120 for the pair), but I guess $55 tires can't compete with $160 tires.

    I am by no means an expert, just an average rider. But I did notice a huge difference between tires. That's my take, YMMV.

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    They are OEM on my scott big ed, loads of grip, but loads of drag. Mounted a set of maxxis mammoth for summer, and the jumbo jim for winter driving.
    Weight them at 1590 and 1610 grams, 4.5 60tpi sport version
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    Has any one run the kenda juggernaut 4.0 folding Pro ?
    Is it available Now?

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    I rode a test bike equipped the the 120 tpi 4.0 version. The knobs are very small and the tires are very fast. I don't know their weight as they were already on a test bike.

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    Juggernaut Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Foot View Post
    Has any one run the kenda juggernaut 4.0 folding Pro ?
    Is it available Now?

    I gave up trying to find Jumbo Jims and went on a search for the Juggernaut Pro 4.0 120tpi. Finally tracked down a pair. Here are the weights:
    868gr and 867gr
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjdog800 View Post
    I gave up trying to find Jumbo Jims and went on a search for the Juggernaut Pro 4.0 120tpi. Finally tracked down a pair. Here are the weights:
    868gr and 867gr
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    It is my firm belief that unicorns are sacrificed to make these tyres.

    Where oh where did you pur-chase these most elusive of items sir ?

    I have in my extended search , managed to acquire 4 goose eggs (gold) , rocking horse poop (3 sacks) and dentures - hen (7 sets) . Some of which I am willing to exchange for information leading to the actual procurement a pair of these far more scarce fictional pneumatic wonders .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Biker View Post
    It is my firm belief that unicorns are sacrificed to make these tyres.

    Where oh where did you pur-chase these most elusive of items sir ?

    I have in my extended search , managed to acquire 4 goose eggs (gold) , rocking horse poop (3 sacks) and dentures - hen (7 sets) . Some of which I am willing to exchange for information leading to the actual procurement a pair of these far more scarce fictional pneumatic wonders .


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    Monfat.fr bought a pair from them came in at 820/830 grams

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    Quote Originally Posted by mortenste View Post
    Monfat.fr bought a pair from them came in at 820/830 grams
    Thanks bud will check them out ASAP


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    Edit: Well . Not an entirely fruitless exercise . NO Juggernaut Pro's

    Well not much of anything as far as "parts for fat bikes" goes . 1 inner tube and 3 Tyre options and THAT's it

    The good news is though that they DID have my second choice of tyre the Jumbo Jim Liteskin 4.0

    2 ordered and 161 Euros relieved from my bank account

    very happy .


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    My Bud and Lou are getting winterized with a fresh set of teef soon, and will become my dedicated winter tires from then on.

    For summer use, I'd like something a little narrower (and a lot lighter), but that will still run fine on my Clownshoes, without having to build up a whole different wheelset. A pair of Jugs have risen to the top of my list for next spring. But I'd love to see a few more offerings in this "mid" size range - kind of like Surly bringing back the ET as a great in-between 2" and 3" option, the 4.5" tire seems ripe for development, particularly with dirt-specific tread designs. But I'm also a horrible businessman, and I realize I probably represent a tiny niche of an already small niche...
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    Better option is the jumbo jim, juggernaut 4.5 is an anchor and same weight as the bud/lou
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaterra View Post
    Better option is the jumbo jim, juggernaut 4.5 is an anchor and same weight as the bud/lou
    Yeah, you're right - I was getting my 4.0 and 4.5 weights mixed up, which I'll blame entirely on the painkillers I'm taking right now.

    Well, maybe I'll go back to the Bulldozers for summer use. I'd really like to run something a little skinnier than the Lou/Bud in the summer..
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    Still searching for a reliable source for the 4.0 pro's.
    After purchasing a set of my second choice Jumbo Jim's 4.0 liteskin all I can say is I'm disappointed with the weights of the JJ's. Both marked up as liteskins and both over 1100g (1108g and 1137g) !!!
    I must say though that the mould quality is not what I have come to expect from Schwalbé and the printing on the sides looks second rate too. If I didn't know any better I would say they're fakes, but I've neither heard or seen such a thing with tyres ????

    So, top and bottom of it is . . . . . . Any news on the public pro 4.0 120tpi Juggernauts availability ? Before Christmas, before spring ? Hell before NEXT winter ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Biker View Post
    Still searching for a reliable source for the 4.0 pro's.
    After purchasing a set of my second choice Jumbo Jim's 4.0 liteskin all I can say is I'm disappointed with the weights of the JJ's. Both marked up as liteskins and both over 1100g (1108g and 1137g) !!!
    I must say though that the mould quality is not what I have come to expect from Schwalbé and the printing on the sides looks second rate too. If I didn't know any better I would say they're fakes, but I've neither heard or seen such a thing with tyres ????

    So, top and bottom of it is . . . . . . Any news on the public pro 4.0 120tpi Juggernauts availability ? Before Christmas, before spring ? Hell before NEXT winter ?


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    I talked to a Kenda Dir of Sales and Marketing at their booth during the ICEMAN Expo... says the J-Pros are just now in production and due in the USA in 3 weeks. Also, after inspection, said that the the ones I found were pre-production/engineering versions and I should not have been able to get them... will be replacing them with the real McCoy's (minus the nasty self steer I hope!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjdog800 View Post
    I talked to a Kenda Dir of Sales and Marketing at their booth during the ICEMAN Expo... says the J-Pros are just now in production and due in the USA in 3 weeks. Also, after inspection, said that the the ones I found were pre-production/engineering versions and I should not have been able to get them... will be replacing them with the real McCoy's (minus the nasty self steer I hope!).
    Sweeeeet! 3 weeks is only like 6 months in fat bike land!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjdog800 View Post
    I talked to a Kenda Dir of Sales and Marketing at their booth during the ICEMAN Expo... says the J-Pros are just now in production and due in the USA in 3 weeks. Also, after inspection, said that the the ones I found were pre-production/engineering versions and I should not have been able to get them... will be replacing them with the real McCoy's (minus the nasty self steer I hope!).
    That's good to hear , thanks.
    I do hope it's true and they're pretty close to the 880g-900g we've been seeing lately .
    I believe the first pre-production one were coming in under 800g .

    Probably means that we'll be lucky to get them for spring in the UK

    I do wish companies would't reveal or pre-release stuff so far off being production ready though .

    This thread's a year old come next week .




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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Biker View Post
    That's good to hear , thanks.
    I do hope it's true and they're pretty close to the 880g-900g we've been seeing lately .
    I believe the first pre-production one were coming in under 800g .

    Probably means that we'll be lucky to get them for spring in the UK

    I do wish companies would't reveal or pre-release stuff so far off being production ready though .

    This thread's a year old come next week .

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    Kenda rep said the production versions were coming in at about 850gr. Not the 750gr pre-pro weights like the ones I got.

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    Yep, just got six more of these. Lightest was 815g, the rest right around 860g.
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    Starting to see the Juggernaut Pro 4" version showing up for sale. At 835g, they're a little heavier than the ill-fated v1 that popped up and disappeared quickly. That's still ridiculously light for a 4" tire. Anyone try these yet?

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    I can find the 4.0, not the 4.5

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    where are people finding the 4.0 pro? I have a race next weekend and would like to set these up tubeless on my Farley 7 for the early no-snow fatbike races.

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    use google, ive seen a couple places with it. Bikeman was one of them, forget the other one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Starting to see the Juggernaut Pro 4" version showing up for sale. At 835g, they're a little heavier than the ill-fated v1 that popped up and disappeared quickly. That's still ridiculously light for a 4" tire. Anyone try these yet?
    Yep, been riding them since May or so. Just got to test them on some snow as well. Works fine, but they are not the best on powder, of course.
    They will be way fast on packed snow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowride454 View Post
    where are people finding the 4.0 pro? I have a race next weekend and would like to set these up tubeless on my Farley 7 for the early no-snow fatbike races.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Yep, been riding them since May or so. Just got to test them on some snow as well. Works fine, but they are not the best on powder, of course.
    They will be way fast on packed snow.
    What kind of (non-snow) terrain did you test them on? I'd have to think these are way fragile. Maybe a good beach tire, as long as there's no seashells .

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    What kind of (non-snow) terrain did you test them on? I'd have to think these are way fragile. Maybe a good beach tire, as long as there's no seashells .
    Hardpack with a multitude of sharp rocks.
    They are more fragile than more standard type fat tires, but held up surprisingly well.
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    I just picked up a set of the Jugger Pro 4.0's. But I will have to wait till I use them. We are heading into the early part of winter here in MN, so snow is coming. I like my VanHelgas for the snow and that is what I have mounted on the bike now. But after reading what Espen wrote about the tire, he has me thinking if I should give the JP's a try in the snow.

    Espen, did you reverse the tread pattern on the rear when you had it in the snow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by majack View Post
    I just picked up a set of the Jugger Pro 4.0's. But I will have to wait till I use them. We are heading into the early part of winter here in MN, so snow is coming. I like my VanHelgas for the snow and that is what I have mounted on the bike now. But after reading what Espen wrote about the tire, he has me thinking if I should give the JP's a try in the snow.

    Espen, did you reverse the tread pattern on the rear when you had it in the snow?
    Yep, run it reversed on the rear.
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    The prices for the 4.0 Pro are crazy low. I'm suspicious. Unless these tires are significantly inferior to everything else on the market, we've been played the fool for years.

    The Fat-B-Nimble has it's own shortcomings, sure, but this proves that its pricing is not an anomaly for decent tires.

    Weights and bead-bead measurements when these start arriving please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bme107 View Post
    The prices for the 4.0 Pro are crazy low. I'm suspicious. Unless these tires are significantly inferior to everything else on the market, we've been played the fool for years.

    The Fat-B-Nimble has it's own shortcomings, sure, but this proves that its pricing is not an anomaly for decent tires.

    Weights and bead-bead measurements when these start arriving please.
    Yeah, but got mine for 60 bucks at treefort. Kinda scares me like you said. We'll see. Hopefully we've simply been suckers for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espen W View Post
    Yep, run it reversed on the rear.
    (Tioga Farmer John style)
    Thanks for the reply Espen. I was going to run it in reverse but wanted first hand feed back before I mounted it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bme107 View Post
    The prices for the 4.0 Pro are crazy low. I'm suspicious. Unless these tires are significantly inferior to everything else on the market, we've been played the fool for years.

    The Fat-B-Nimble has it's own shortcomings, sure, but this proves that its pricing is not an anomaly for decent tires.

    Weights and bead-bead measurements when these start arriving please.
    Out of many:
    Lightest that I have seen: 815g (latest production run)
    Heaviest: approx 930g (production run from this spring)
    Bead to bead: approx 231mm
    (They measure 4.2'' on a 80mm rim @20psi and 4.5'' on a 100mm at the same pressure)
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    Mike came in just today. 935 grams. 23mm bead to bead. My Jumbo Jims are almost as light and probably a better overall tire. We'll see.
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    Kenda Juggernaut 26x4.0 (and 4.5)

    I'd like to see the durability of the 4.0's on real life riding before I spring for them. The weight savings must sacrifice some durability.


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    Everything is a trade off that's just a given. Saving weight means less material. So they arent going to be as durable as a 1300g tire. Like everything gonna have to choose what is most important.

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    How would these do in dry, loose, dusty conditions as a front?
    I'm dissatisfied with my FBN (it seems to wash out a lot).

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    Mine J-Pros came in at 844g and 845g. My first set (returned) came in at mid-750ish. These new ones have a smooth tubeless-ready bead instead of the earlier serrated style.

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