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    My 4.8" lite Skin arrived today.

    The bad, man am I disappointed - it weighs 1320g !!! Aaaarg - I normally ask the retailer to send me the lightest one they have, but this time I forgot .

    The good, this has been the easiest tyre to mount up, and it is certainly the roundest truest tyre I've ever owned - this is a quality tyre.

    Initial impressions are very positive. On the trails, I've only managed a quick 1 hour spin tonight, on fairly straight easy dry trails , wow - it spins up really fast, rolls really well and compares very well with a HUDU, but with the advantage of being a 4.8” tyre. I would say it's nearly as wide as Bud, but not quite as tall. Tomorrow's night ride will be in the woods, with very twisty rooty trails, I can't wait to see how it goes!

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    Quick update - I spent 3 hrs on it tonight in dry twisty rooty woodsy single track - simply the best fat tyre I've ridden, no question. If it was 100g lighter, as it should be......... Anyhow, Schwalbe have offered to warranty the tyre, as it is so heavy, which is great service from them.

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    I just weighed a pair..1176/1240.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjedoaks View Post
    I just weighed a pair..1176/1240.
    Which ones?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Futon River Crossing View Post
    Quick update - I spent 3 hrs on it tonight in dry twisty rooty woodsy single track - simply the best fat tyre I've ridden, no question. If it was 100g lighter, as it should be......... Anyhow, Schwalbe have offered to warranty the tyre, as it is so heavy, which is great service from them.
    Wow, now that's customer service!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    Which ones?
    4.8 LiteSkin. The same tire Futon is referring to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futon River Crossing View Post
    Quick update - I spent 3 hrs on it tonight in dry twisty rooty woodsy single track - simply the best fat tyre I've ridden, no question. If it was 100g lighter, as it should be......... Anyhow, Schwalbe have offered to warranty the tyre, as it is so heavy, which is great service from them.
    What other tires are you comparing it to when you say it's the best?

    That's awesome they replaced it under warranty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    What other tires are you comparing it to when you say it's the best?

    That's awesome they replaced it under warranty!
    5 years experience. In order of acquisition:

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    I don't think I've left any out

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    Interesting I have 2 brand new Nobby Nics that are 80 grams a piece over. Maybe I should contact them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futon River Crossing View Post
    Endomorph
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    Big fat Larry
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    Knard 3"
    Bud
    Jumbo Jim
    Wow that's quite the list!!! I'm curious how it rates in traction compared to the HUDU, and why you liked it more?

    I was originally dead set on the jumbo Jim but was concerned the giant gaps would compromise traction relative to a hudo or fat-b-nimble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    Wow that's quite the list!!! I'm curious how it rates in traction compared to the HUDU, and why you liked it more?

    I was originally dead set on the jumbo Jim but was concerned the giant gaps would compromise traction relative to a hudo or fat-b-nimble.
    Oh I would say it has much more grip than a HUDU, but has the cushioning of a 4.8" tyre. When I get my replacement tyre, it will be even better Personally, I never felt that the HUDU had that much grip compared to Nate or Bud, but I was prepared to make that sacrifice for the benefits of nimble steering and increased acceleration and just a more lively ride overall. Now I don't need to make that compromise. The JJ is still untested in mud - so it may have weakness there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Interesting I have 2 brand new Nobby Nics that are 80 grams a piece over. Maybe I should contact them.
    Schwalbe customer service is now in Eau Claire, WI. I will give you the address to sent them to.

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    Looks like I'll order a set

    Thanks for all the great info!

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    Wow, got an alert from QBP they were in stock. Went to look and they were all gone already. Not sure I want a pair, have not heard great things, but the weight makes things tempting. What I have heard/read is in snow, may be a good summer tire, although may not be very tough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logantri View Post
    Not sure I want a pair, have not heard great things, but the weight makes things tempting. What I have heard/read is in snow, may be a good summer tire, although may not be very tough.
    Its not a snow tire...pretty obvious. Thats like basing your opinion of a R-Comp tire on its cold weather performance. Doh

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Its not a snow tire...pretty obvious. Thats like basing your opinion of a R-Comp tire on its cold weather performance. Doh
    Jshonda, how do you know its not a snow tyre... that's like basing you opinion on... errr nothing, coz you haven't tried it.

    I'm waiting on mine as a sand race tyre... wish I'd asked you before laying the cash out. How is it for sand ?

    Its great to have these valid opinions on these new tyres, coz that will save me a shit load of cash rather than trying them myself.
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    For a feather weight rider on flattish terrain, I'm sure it would be a great flotation tire for snow. Hard time seeing it gripping on the hills. I love these tires for the sand, based on my extensive seat time, in front of computer screen, eating cheesy puffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Jshonda, how do you know its not a snow tyre... that's like basing you opinion on... errr nothing, coz you haven't tried it.

    I'm waiting on mine as a sand race tyre... wish I'd asked you before laying the cash out. How is it for sand ?

    Its great to have these valid opinions on these new tyres, coz that will save me a shit load of cash rather than trying them myself.
    From me glancing at it, I'd say due to the really far spaced lugs. One of the few hands-on reviews I could find said it was really lacking on snow.
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    Yeah, not sure how you know this is a summer tire besides opinion. I wanted a set for snow until I heard from 2 people whom I trust that they kinda blow for snow. The weight makes me fearful they won't last long in rocks which is why I will let others plunk down the cash and try them out. Schwalbes don't have the greatest reputation for durability.
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    I guess what I object to are the blanket statements that X tire is bad on snow. Snow is such a variable surface. For the riding I do Nate, Bud and Lou suck because they have so much resistance. So I could say they suck on snow, because for me they do. But clearly on other types of snow they are great. So qualifiers would be helpful, especially for new riders who are trying to figure out what is going to work best for them.
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    Schwalbes don't claim to be durable for their lightweight tires. Not sure why people complain about this when Schwalbe's own website has disclaimers all over it. This may, or may not, be a good winter tire. You generally don't have to worry about rocks, sticks, roots and such in the winter, so having having a less durable sidewall may not be as much of an issue as it is in the summer, although using them frequently at ultra-low pressures may not be the best for them. Time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBerntson View Post
    Schwalbes don't claim to be durable for their lightweight tires. Not sure why people complain about this when Schwalbe's own website has disclaimers all over it.
    Schwalbe's durability rating for this tire is shown as 4 out of 5 on their website, which puts it at the high end of the scale among their other MTB tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Schwalbe's durability rating for this tire is shown as 4 out of 5 on their website, which puts it at the high end of the scale among their other MTB tires.
    Good point, but I would assume the liteskin is less durable than the snakeskin, even though the two aren't differentiated on the website. That said, I was referring to the general complaints I hear about their lite mtb tires, since we can't yet comment on the durability of their fat tires. The mtb's have a low durability ratings and have warnings about their lack of puncture protection and durability.

    Plus, these tires ARE meant for snow....whether they are any good, I don't know. The two comments I've heard about their performance are the 4.8's roll kinda slow (but this may have been greatly affected by temps - cold - and low pressure), and the 4's grip in snow wasn't great. I haven't tried them yet, so I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBerntson View Post
    Good point, but I would assume the liteskin is less durable than the snakeskin, even though the two aren't differentiated on the website. That said, I was referring to the general complaints I hear about their lite mtb tires, since we can't yet comment on the durability of their fat tires. The mtb's have a low durability ratings and have warnings about their lack of puncture protection and durability.

    Plus, these tires ARE meant for snow....whether they are any good, I don't know. The two comments I've heard about their performance are the 4.8's roll kinda slow (but this may have been greatly affected by temps - cold - and low pressure), and the 4's grip in snow wasn't great. I haven't tried them yet, so I don't know.
    Yeah, I don't know how "honest" their ratings are, but they go as low as a "1" for the Furious Fred. Maybe a "5" rating in Schwalbe world is like being crowned the world's tallest midget.

    Please people, start beating on these tires so we can have some good, solid anecdotal evidence to argue about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    I guess what I object to are the blanket statements that X tire is bad on snow. Snow is such a variable surface. For the riding I do Nate, Bud and Lou suck because they have so much resistance. So I could say they suck on snow, because for me they do. But clearly on other types of snow they are great. So qualifiers would be helpful, especially for new riders who are trying to figure out what is going to work best for them.
    Well said.

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    You would think that liteskin/snakeskin is at least some tyre technology with some degree of protection. Has to be more resistant than the big ole rubber bags we have been riding.
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    Where does it say they are specifically meant for snow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    Where does it say they are specifically meant for snow?
    I believe that was a misquote off a French website.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    I believe that was a misquote off a French website.?
    To be fair, it's in the first line of the tire description.
    " Bigger is better.*This is especially true if you want to cycle in
    deep snow or loose sand."
    I guess you you say they strongly implied it....

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    ETA at QBP for 4" SnakeSkins is late april, for anyone wondering. I'm ok with that since I have a wheel build that I'm spreading out the cash from now til then
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    Looks like Evans Cycle in the UK has the 4.8's in stock.

    $88 USD each

    Schwalbe Jumbo Jim Evo LiteSkin 26" Fat Bike Tyre | Evans Cycles

    Looks like free shipping as well.

    Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swerny View Post
    Looks like Evans Cycle in the UK has the 4.8's in stock.

    $88 USD each

    Schwalbe Jumbo Jim Evo LiteSkin 26" Fat Bike Tyre | Evans Cycles

    Looks like free shipping as well.

    Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
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    someone bought one then as there were at least 2 when i made my last post
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    Quote Originally Posted by tfinator View Post
    To be fair, it's in the first line of the tire description.
    " Bigger is better.*This is especially true if you want to cycle in
    deep snow or loose sand."
    I guess you you say they strongly implied it....
    I spoke with someone in their booth at NAHBS and he said that their research determined tall knobs were not necessary for snow. My feeling is that is absolutely the case with some snow situations but taller knobs are often more effective in deep loose snow than short ones. There is certainly no rolling resistance penalty in deep loose snow using tall knobs. I feel like this is going to be a great sand tire and very effective on many other surfaces as well. The reality is there is no one perfect tire for every surface but this tire looks like it may be very effective on a lot of different surfaces.

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    I am guessing the person at NAHBS was either from Florida, or an imposter from a different company (maybe Espen trying to defend the snowshoe?)

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    Evans still got that 1 tire. Bike24 don't have a clue when in stock.
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    Dears,

    Does anybody know if the 4.80 on a 70mm rim which is about 113mm wide could fit in a On-One Fatty frame?? since the Fatty is only 170mm rear hub spaced, I need more floating capabilities and I've been waiting for these tyres for a long time!

    Thanks a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I am guessing the person at NAHBS was either from Florida, or an imposter from a different company (maybe Espen trying to defend the snowshoe?)
    This smacks of maligning someone without a shred of proof. Whether or not you say "maybe", it's still a form of character assassination. The least you could have done was not name Espen, as he's done about as much as anyone for this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumpyride View Post
    This smacks of maligning someone without a shred of proof. Whether or not you say "maybe", it's still a form of character assassination. The least you could have done was not name Espen, as he's done about as much as anyone for this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    You need to NOT take life so seriously, I mean seriously.
    We all read things differently. I respect your opinion to read it one way, but there are other ways that people read things, so naming someone personally might stick in someone's mind as a mark against them.

    I would have no problem with the following statement, (I am guessing the person at NAHBS was either from Florida, or an imposter from a different company ), but naming Espen was not in good form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumpyride View Post
    We all read things differently. I respect your opinion to read it one way, but there are other ways that people read things, so naming someone personally might stick in someone's mind as a mark against them.

    I would have no problem with the following statement, (I am guessing the person at NAHBS was either from Florida, or an imposter from a different company ), but naming Espen was not in good form.
    Obviously you weren't around during the Snowshoe fiasco, I thought it was kinda funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Obviously you weren't around during the Snowshoe fiasco, I thought it was kinda funny.
    I missed that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumpyride View Post
    I missed that.
    It sucks when you are out of the loop.


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    After about three weeks of owning these tires and putting them thru the paces, here's what I've come up with. Great for hardpack snow and dirt, crummy in mud. In loose snow they're ok. Overall, I'm happy with the tire as they're my choice for a summer tire. The compound feels a lot more tacky than the D4's I had before. They roll pretty good as well.





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