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    Looks like they are available here in Japan for about $150US each for the 4.8's. Stated weights:
    26x4.00:1090 g
    26x4.80:1290 g
    Rakuten has an English site and international shipping, but I couldn't find the tires on their global site.
    ??????????? SCHWALBE ?????? JUMBO JIM?26x4.00 (Snakeskin,TL Easy)??????????CYCLE-GARAGE

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    Received the Jumbo Jim 26X4.8 Liteskin in the mail yesterday. They seem pretty light in weight, but the sidewalls are pretty standard thickness, feel just like my Hand Dampf and I have beat the shit out of those with never a burp or sidewall tear. Not what I would call a minimalistic tire by any means so I'm not sure the extra weight of the Snakeskin is even necessary. Only riding for them a bit will tell the truth. Will be at least 2 weeks before I am home, over the jet lag and have them mounted up to test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebnash View Post
    Received the Jumbo Jim 26X4.8 Liteskin in the mail yesterday. They seem pretty light in weight, but the sidewalls are pretty standard thickness, feel just like my Hand Dampf and I have beat the shit out of those with never a burp or sidewall tear. Not what I would call a minimalistic tire by any means so I'm not sure the extra weight of the Snakeskin is even necessary. Only riding for them a bit will tell the truth. Will be at least 2 weeks before I am home, over the jet lag and have them mounted up to test.
    Where did you get them from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    Where did you get them from?
    I posted earlier in this thread about that. I am visiting the UK for work for 3 weeks and saw a place over here Sideways Cycles got a shipment of them so I emailed him and had them shipped to my Hotel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebnash View Post
    I posted earlier in this thread about that. I am visiting the UK for work for 3 weeks and saw a place over here Sideways Cycles got a shipment of them so I emailed him and had them shipped to my Hotel.
    I remember now. Just checked $160 Canadian each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anortherncrazy View Post
    Just picked up a pair of liteskin 4.0's from my LBS. Got lucky. They're shipping OE....
    Nice Crazy ! Interesting to hear if the OEM tyres are the same as the "soon to be" production tyres.

    I know a lot of the time that Schwalbe tyres that come OEM on full builds eg Giants, Merida ect are slightly different in rubber and weight than the single bought production tyres.

    You would surely think that with the small volume of fat tyres and OEM full builds, that they would be the same, not as if its worth making them cheaper as its nowhere near the scale of the big brand full builds.

    Let us know of the weigh in ? Your answer will rest the minds of those picking up OE tyres.

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    Jumbo Jim



    Liteskin 4.0's set up tubeless on 65mm Nexties. Crazy lite. No specifics on tire weight. Only know that the bike is sub 25 pounds. Just picked it up 30 minutes ago..


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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    I remember now. Just checked $160 Canadian each.
    Liteskin 4.8s for $123 Canadian at Chain Reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anortherncrazy View Post


    Liteskin 4.0's set up tubeless on 65mm Nexties. Crazy lite. No specifics on tire weight. Only know that the bike is sub 25 pounds. Just picked it up 30 minutes ago..


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    They look fat for a 4" tyre... on 65's too.
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    likin the looks of the side knobs. the important ones. for all conditions.

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    Ok... just ordered a set of the 4.8" liteskins, need the volume for this years Desert race. Hope the casing is good... cant be any worse than the non-tech floppy rubber bag tyres we are all riding at the moment.

    At 54€ each (78$au) they are similar priced to Racing Ralphs for my MTBs. Would never have guessed that with a Schwalbe fat tyre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebnash View Post
    Received the Jumbo Jim 26X4.8 Liteskin in the mail yesterday. They seem pretty light in weight, but the sidewalls are pretty standard thickness, feel just like my Hand Dampf and I have beat the shit out of those with never a burp or sidewall tear. Not what I would call a minimalistic tire by any means so I'm not sure the extra weight of the Snakeskin is even necessary. Only riding for them a bit will tell the truth. Will be at least 2 weeks before I am home, over the jet lag and have them mounted up to test.
    Hans Dampf don't come in Liteskin either if I'm not mistaken - second guessing my ordering of Snakeskin TL Easy versions now... perhaps the Lites are going to be reliable enough, particularly for exclusively snow usage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arc View Post
    Liteskin 4.8s for $123 Canadian at Chain Reaction.
    Out of Stock
    Due 11/04/2015
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    Quote Originally Posted by newmarketrog View Post
    likin the looks of the side knobs. the important ones. for all conditions.
    But kinda far apart no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    Out of Stock
    Due 11/04/2015
    NOVEMBER 4?? As in 8 months from now?? Dang!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    They look fat for a 4" tyre... on 65's too.
    Yeah they're pretty meaty for a 4.0 tire. I like the compound as well feels like they're more tacky that the D4's I had and they roll better too. Did I say light!?


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    Quote Originally Posted by slabber View Post
    second guessing my ordering of Snakeskin TL Easy versions now... perhaps the Lites are going to be reliable enough, particularly for exclusively snow usage?
    Its only 100g... per tyre... near haffa pound !

    The first time I put a stick through mine, I'll be wishing I went snakeskin
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotHead View Post
    NOVEMBER 4?? As in 8 months from now?? Dang!
    I would hazard a guess at April 11, maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximumX View Post
    I would hazard a guess at April 11, maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    But kinda far apart no?
    so long as they grab.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by slabber View Post
    Hans Dampf don't come in Liteskin either if I'm not mistaken - second guessing my ordering of Snakeskin TL Easy versions now... perhaps the Lites are going to be reliable enough, particularly for exclusively snow usage?
    Just my opinion mind you. Means really nothing until I get home to ride them and see if they hold up. Mind you, I did not choose Liteskins, they chose me as that is all they had and I'm impatient. 😬

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post

    The first time I put a stick through mine, I'll be wishing I went snakeskin
    Exactly. Pissed.

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    I've ordered a 4" liteskin - that picture above sold it to me - they look pretty big on a 65mm rim - which is what mine will be going on - slightly concerned about the tread though! Looking forward to trying these in our drying conditions here in the UK

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    FWIW, I bought a Felt DoubleDee30 and weighed the tires; 1090g on one, 1048g on the other.

    4" Liteskin - a bit heavier than advertised.

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    DHL
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    260mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forged1 View Post
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    Your tire actual weight was 1190g?

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    Impressive.

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    1190.7grams
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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
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    just ordered a Jumbo Jim 4 liteskin at my lbs. The pricing is impressive, even without my team discount. under $120, which is hard to believe, considering that's not far off of what they charge for their regular tires... I'll know on tuesday whether they're available or if I'll have to wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forged1 View Post


    This is 4.8" one?

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    YES,4.8
    liteskin

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    Lookin good Forged1 ! Cant wait to drop a kilo off my tyres, I like my 4.8s, but Buds but at 1650g are a hefty lump of rubba.
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    When are we getting some reviews of these with comparison to other tires? That tread is seriously sparse... How well does this bad boy work on the trails?

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    Where is the 4.0 Jumbo Jim snake skin or lite skin in stock?

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    I agree that it looks sparse but Schwalbe does well enough with their other tires that I doubt they'd bring a sub-par offering to market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Foot View Post
    Where is the 4.0 Jumbo Jim snake skin or lite skin in stock?
    There are none in stock yet, only the 4.8 lite skin has arrived.

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    Jumbo Jim

    So looking at the true tire sizes, this falls right in line with Bud and Lou, in both volume and width. They are tires with different intentions though.

    A bit smaller in volume than the Chao 4.9, which is ~267mm+, and similar in width. JJ is 350 grams lighter, and has bigger cornering knobs that wrap more over the edge. Price advantage to the Chao.

    Curious to see how this high volume, fast roller segment does in the long run. Practically speaking, the places you need high volume also benefit from more aggressive tread. This surely won't challenge bud and Lou for all out winter traction.

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    This looks like a summer tire to me. Dirt, sand, loose conditions, but not mud or muck or snow. Fast rolling. XC conditions rather than gnarly rock gardens. Like a BFL but a bit more aggressive.

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    got my hands on one of these at NAHBS yesterday. Definitely summer tread, but a little bit different than the ramped knobs like you find on Husker Du, Chao, FatB, etc. Looks like the squared knobs will give a bit more bite, and the wide spacing is part of what keeps weight down.

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    My 4.8" lite Skin arrived today.

    The bad, man am I disappointed - it weighs 1320g !!! Aaaarg - I normally ask the retailer to send me the lightest one they have, but this time I forgot .

    The good, this has been the easiest tyre to mount up, and it is certainly the roundest truest tyre I've ever owned - this is a quality tyre.

    Initial impressions are very positive. On the trails, I've only managed a quick 1 hour spin tonight, on fairly straight easy dry trails , wow - it spins up really fast, rolls really well and compares very well with a HUDU, but with the advantage of being a 4.8” tyre. I would say it's nearly as wide as Bud, but not quite as tall. Tomorrow's night ride will be in the woods, with very twisty rooty trails, I can't wait to see how it goes!

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    Quick update - I spent 3 hrs on it tonight in dry twisty rooty woodsy single track - simply the best fat tyre I've ridden, no question. If it was 100g lighter, as it should be......... Anyhow, Schwalbe have offered to warranty the tyre, as it is so heavy, which is great service from them.

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    I just weighed a pair..1176/1240.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjedoaks View Post
    I just weighed a pair..1176/1240.
    Which ones?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Futon River Crossing View Post
    Quick update - I spent 3 hrs on it tonight in dry twisty rooty woodsy single track - simply the best fat tyre I've ridden, no question. If it was 100g lighter, as it should be......... Anyhow, Schwalbe have offered to warranty the tyre, as it is so heavy, which is great service from them.
    Wow, now that's customer service!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    Which ones?
    4.8 LiteSkin. The same tire Futon is referring to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futon River Crossing View Post
    Quick update - I spent 3 hrs on it tonight in dry twisty rooty woodsy single track - simply the best fat tyre I've ridden, no question. If it was 100g lighter, as it should be......... Anyhow, Schwalbe have offered to warranty the tyre, as it is so heavy, which is great service from them.
    What other tires are you comparing it to when you say it's the best?

    That's awesome they replaced it under warranty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    What other tires are you comparing it to when you say it's the best?

    That's awesome they replaced it under warranty!
    5 years experience. In order of acquisition:

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    I don't think I've left any out

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    Interesting I have 2 brand new Nobby Nics that are 80 grams a piece over. Maybe I should contact them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futon River Crossing View Post
    Endomorph
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    Wow that's quite the list!!! I'm curious how it rates in traction compared to the HUDU, and why you liked it more?

    I was originally dead set on the jumbo Jim but was concerned the giant gaps would compromise traction relative to a hudo or fat-b-nimble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    Wow that's quite the list!!! I'm curious how it rates in traction compared to the HUDU, and why you liked it more?

    I was originally dead set on the jumbo Jim but was concerned the giant gaps would compromise traction relative to a hudo or fat-b-nimble.
    Oh I would say it has much more grip than a HUDU, but has the cushioning of a 4.8" tyre. When I get my replacement tyre, it will be even better Personally, I never felt that the HUDU had that much grip compared to Nate or Bud, but I was prepared to make that sacrifice for the benefits of nimble steering and increased acceleration and just a more lively ride overall. Now I don't need to make that compromise. The JJ is still untested in mud - so it may have weakness there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Interesting I have 2 brand new Nobby Nics that are 80 grams a piece over. Maybe I should contact them.
    Schwalbe customer service is now in Eau Claire, WI. I will give you the address to sent them to.

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    Looks like I'll order a set

    Thanks for all the great info!

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    Wow, got an alert from QBP they were in stock. Went to look and they were all gone already. Not sure I want a pair, have not heard great things, but the weight makes things tempting. What I have heard/read is in snow, may be a good summer tire, although may not be very tough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logantri View Post
    Not sure I want a pair, have not heard great things, but the weight makes things tempting. What I have heard/read is in snow, may be a good summer tire, although may not be very tough.
    Its not a snow tire...pretty obvious. Thats like basing your opinion of a R-Comp tire on its cold weather performance. Doh

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Its not a snow tire...pretty obvious. Thats like basing your opinion of a R-Comp tire on its cold weather performance. Doh
    Jshonda, how do you know its not a snow tyre... that's like basing you opinion on... errr nothing, coz you haven't tried it.

    I'm waiting on mine as a sand race tyre... wish I'd asked you before laying the cash out. How is it for sand ?

    Its great to have these valid opinions on these new tyres, coz that will save me a shit load of cash rather than trying them myself.
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    For a feather weight rider on flattish terrain, I'm sure it would be a great flotation tire for snow. Hard time seeing it gripping on the hills. I love these tires for the sand, based on my extensive seat time, in front of computer screen, eating cheesy puffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    Jshonda, how do you know its not a snow tyre... that's like basing you opinion on... errr nothing, coz you haven't tried it.

    I'm waiting on mine as a sand race tyre... wish I'd asked you before laying the cash out. How is it for sand ?

    Its great to have these valid opinions on these new tyres, coz that will save me a shit load of cash rather than trying them myself.
    From me glancing at it, I'd say due to the really far spaced lugs. One of the few hands-on reviews I could find said it was really lacking on snow.
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    Yeah, not sure how you know this is a summer tire besides opinion. I wanted a set for snow until I heard from 2 people whom I trust that they kinda blow for snow. The weight makes me fearful they won't last long in rocks which is why I will let others plunk down the cash and try them out. Schwalbes don't have the greatest reputation for durability.
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    I guess what I object to are the blanket statements that X tire is bad on snow. Snow is such a variable surface. For the riding I do Nate, Bud and Lou suck because they have so much resistance. So I could say they suck on snow, because for me they do. But clearly on other types of snow they are great. So qualifiers would be helpful, especially for new riders who are trying to figure out what is going to work best for them.
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    Schwalbes don't claim to be durable for their lightweight tires. Not sure why people complain about this when Schwalbe's own website has disclaimers all over it. This may, or may not, be a good winter tire. You generally don't have to worry about rocks, sticks, roots and such in the winter, so having having a less durable sidewall may not be as much of an issue as it is in the summer, although using them frequently at ultra-low pressures may not be the best for them. Time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBerntson View Post
    Schwalbes don't claim to be durable for their lightweight tires. Not sure why people complain about this when Schwalbe's own website has disclaimers all over it.
    Schwalbe's durability rating for this tire is shown as 4 out of 5 on their website, which puts it at the high end of the scale among their other MTB tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Schwalbe's durability rating for this tire is shown as 4 out of 5 on their website, which puts it at the high end of the scale among their other MTB tires.
    Good point, but I would assume the liteskin is less durable than the snakeskin, even though the two aren't differentiated on the website. That said, I was referring to the general complaints I hear about their lite mtb tires, since we can't yet comment on the durability of their fat tires. The mtb's have a low durability ratings and have warnings about their lack of puncture protection and durability.

    Plus, these tires ARE meant for snow....whether they are any good, I don't know. The two comments I've heard about their performance are the 4.8's roll kinda slow (but this may have been greatly affected by temps - cold - and low pressure), and the 4's grip in snow wasn't great. I haven't tried them yet, so I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBerntson View Post
    Good point, but I would assume the liteskin is less durable than the snakeskin, even though the two aren't differentiated on the website. That said, I was referring to the general complaints I hear about their lite mtb tires, since we can't yet comment on the durability of their fat tires. The mtb's have a low durability ratings and have warnings about their lack of puncture protection and durability.

    Plus, these tires ARE meant for snow....whether they are any good, I don't know. The two comments I've heard about their performance are the 4.8's roll kinda slow (but this may have been greatly affected by temps - cold - and low pressure), and the 4's grip in snow wasn't great. I haven't tried them yet, so I don't know.
    Yeah, I don't know how "honest" their ratings are, but they go as low as a "1" for the Furious Fred. Maybe a "5" rating in Schwalbe world is like being crowned the world's tallest midget.

    Please people, start beating on these tires so we can have some good, solid anecdotal evidence to argue about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    I guess what I object to are the blanket statements that X tire is bad on snow. Snow is such a variable surface. For the riding I do Nate, Bud and Lou suck because they have so much resistance. So I could say they suck on snow, because for me they do. But clearly on other types of snow they are great. So qualifiers would be helpful, especially for new riders who are trying to figure out what is going to work best for them.
    Well said.

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    You would think that liteskin/snakeskin is at least some tyre technology with some degree of protection. Has to be more resistant than the big ole rubber bags we have been riding.
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    Where does it say they are specifically meant for snow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    Where does it say they are specifically meant for snow?
    I believe that was a misquote off a French website.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    I believe that was a misquote off a French website.?
    To be fair, it's in the first line of the tire description.
    " Bigger is better.*This is especially true if you want to cycle in
    deep snow or loose sand."
    I guess you you say they strongly implied it....

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    ETA at QBP for 4" SnakeSkins is late april, for anyone wondering. I'm ok with that since I have a wheel build that I'm spreading out the cash from now til then
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    Looks like Evans Cycle in the UK has the 4.8's in stock.

    $88 USD each

    Schwalbe Jumbo Jim Evo LiteSkin 26" Fat Bike Tyre | Evans Cycles

    Looks like free shipping as well.

    Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swerny View Post
    Looks like Evans Cycle in the UK has the 4.8's in stock.

    $88 USD each

    Schwalbe Jumbo Jim Evo LiteSkin 26" Fat Bike Tyre | Evans Cycles

    Looks like free shipping as well.

    Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyJo1 View Post
    2 Decrease quantityIncrease quantity Remove item We currently only have 1 of this item in stock
    someone bought one then as there were at least 2 when i made my last post
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    i got one

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfinator View Post
    To be fair, it's in the first line of the tire description.
    " Bigger is better.*This is especially true if you want to cycle in
    deep snow or loose sand."
    I guess you you say they strongly implied it....
    I spoke with someone in their booth at NAHBS and he said that their research determined tall knobs were not necessary for snow. My feeling is that is absolutely the case with some snow situations but taller knobs are often more effective in deep loose snow than short ones. There is certainly no rolling resistance penalty in deep loose snow using tall knobs. I feel like this is going to be a great sand tire and very effective on many other surfaces as well. The reality is there is no one perfect tire for every surface but this tire looks like it may be very effective on a lot of different surfaces.

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    I am guessing the person at NAHBS was either from Florida, or an imposter from a different company (maybe Espen trying to defend the snowshoe?)

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    Evans still got that 1 tire. Bike24 don't have a clue when in stock.
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    Dears,

    Does anybody know if the 4.80 on a 70mm rim which is about 113mm wide could fit in a On-One Fatty frame?? since the Fatty is only 170mm rear hub spaced, I need more floating capabilities and I've been waiting for these tyres for a long time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I am guessing the person at NAHBS was either from Florida, or an imposter from a different company (maybe Espen trying to defend the snowshoe?)
    This smacks of maligning someone without a shred of proof. Whether or not you say "maybe", it's still a form of character assassination. The least you could have done was not name Espen, as he's done about as much as anyone for this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumpyride View Post
    This smacks of maligning someone without a shred of proof. Whether or not you say "maybe", it's still a form of character assassination. The least you could have done was not name Espen, as he's done about as much as anyone for this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    You need to NOT take life so seriously, I mean seriously.
    We all read things differently. I respect your opinion to read it one way, but there are other ways that people read things, so naming someone personally might stick in someone's mind as a mark against them.

    I would have no problem with the following statement, (I am guessing the person at NAHBS was either from Florida, or an imposter from a different company ), but naming Espen was not in good form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumpyride View Post
    We all read things differently. I respect your opinion to read it one way, but there are other ways that people read things, so naming someone personally might stick in someone's mind as a mark against them.

    I would have no problem with the following statement, (I am guessing the person at NAHBS was either from Florida, or an imposter from a different company ), but naming Espen was not in good form.
    Obviously you weren't around during the Snowshoe fiasco, I thought it was kinda funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    Obviously you weren't around during the Snowshoe fiasco, I thought it was kinda funny.
    I missed that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumpyride View Post
    I missed that.
    It sucks when you are out of the loop.


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    After about three weeks of owning these tires and putting them thru the paces, here's what I've come up with. Great for hardpack snow and dirt, crummy in mud. In loose snow they're ok. Overall, I'm happy with the tire as they're my choice for a summer tire. The compound feels a lot more tacky than the D4's I had before. They roll pretty good as well.





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