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    Hey SURLY.....Quit Starting $hit!!!!

    “Inside sources at QBP confirmed the reincarnation of the Surly Instigator as a complete bike and as a frame only, no fork. Interesting. It looks like they changed the font as well.”

    Carry on
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    Sweet.
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    Re: Hey SURLY.....Quit Starting $hit!!!!

    Stoked !

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    Can someone explain why this is good other than it is new, surly and new? I want to be stoked too.
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    Inject fat into the equation

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    I see nothing exciting about a NON-Fat, heavy, 10 year old, CroMoly frame ... Clue me in, please.

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    Probably move this to the Surly brand section.
    ...Be careful what you're looking at because it might be looking back...

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    Dont pass judgement yet!!! Patience grasshopper

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    Symmetrical steel fatbike?
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    i dont' see what the excitement over the instigator is..


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    I thought "fat bikes" meant the tires. :P

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    oh snap.. I have been referring to my bike as the fatty this whole time...

    I'm gonna ride the fatty today..

    great time with fatty in the woods

    just another beauty shot of fatty

    stripping her down and spraying the insides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    I see nothing exciting about a NON-Fat, heavy, 10 year old, CroMoly frame ... Clue me in, please.
    A very strong bike that can be loaded with 70 pounds for offroad expeditions - sounds useful to me.

    Also ideal for adding an Xtracycle rear end.

    Probably why I have hung on to my Instigator frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    A very strong bike that can be loaded with 70 pounds for offroad expeditions - sounds useful to me.

    Also ideal for adding an Xtracycle rear end.

    Probably why I have hung on to my Instigator frame.
    Yet NOT Fat !
    Agreeing with Duggus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
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    Re: Hey SURLY.....Quit Starting $hit!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    I see nothing exciting about a NON-Fat, heavy, 10 year old, CroMoly frame ... Clue me in, please.
    It's no Mongoose Beast, that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    It's no Mongoose Beast, that's for sure.
    Quite true !

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    According to the Surly website, the frame has FFF chain stays. However the only close to fat tire that fits is a 24 X 3.0.

    http://surlybikes.com/uploads/downlo...Instigator.pdf
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    I always wondered why surly never sold many instagators. Looking at reviews...I know why.

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    That .pdf is from 2003. So I'll venture a guess. They will reuse the name and the curved top tube, maybe the gusset and release a frame that will handle 4" or 29" Knards in the rear, symmetrical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithcreek View Post
    That .pdf is from 2003. So I'll venture a guess. They will reuse the name and the curved top tube, maybe the gusset and release a frame that will handle 4" or 29" Knards in the rear, symmetrical.
    If they go that far, the might as well ditch the Pug's.
    Then again ... It's tooled up and popular, so cut production a bit, and see if they keep selling.

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    Nobby is often in the know, and I'm getting the feeling there's something to be in the know about, but a slightly more flexible version of an already versatile bike, is not my idea of breaking new ground.

    Of course, I'd be happy with a 29X3 Bud, so don't listen to me.....
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    I wonder how many of those knocking the Instigator have actually ridden one.
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    Hey SURLY.....Quit Starting $hit!!!!

    Oh, quit toying with 'em Nobby.

    Have you gotten a chance to see it?

    I've only heard info about it... but I'm really looking forward to seeing the complete bike.

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    Another new wheel size with an aggressive/dj style frame much like the original Instigator is what my sources have lead onto.

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    This is my Instigator as built for a 1,200 mile (approx) completely offroad ride in Oz (about 11 years ago). At the time that was as fat as I could get.

    One problem I had was to carry sufficient water and most of the weight of the stuff carried on the bike was water because temperatures are usually in the high 30s+ at that time of year. Basically enough water to get me to the next waterhole, plus enough to get me back if it was dry, so for some stretches that's 30kg of water alone to get a decent safety margin. That makes allowance for a lot of footslogging pushing the bike through thick bulldust.



    The USP of the Instigator is that heavily braced steering head. It doesn't wobble at speed when it's heavily laden, a problem I found with the first bike I built up. I suspect it's why it's the basis for the Big Dummy - I'd like a fat one of those.
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    ^^^ A FAT Big Dummy would be much more exciting.

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    ahh have not considered that.. yes that would be something worthwhile to add to their line up

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    ^^^ A FAT Big Dummy would be much more exciting.
    This!

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    This thread has been picked up by Surly's FB feed.

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    A Big Fat Dummy.......Yeah not touching that one!

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    If they end up making a BFD, there will be no need for my minivan anymore(do it Surly, do it Surly, do it!). Poor Honda, you so sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    A Big Fat Dummy.......Yeah not touching that one!
    that means we're on to something

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    This thread has been picked up by Surly's FB feed.
    I hope they're listening !

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    funny, surly linked to this thread on their facebook page. If its's a symmetric rear end (less the dropouts) fat bike, then retaining the instigator name for it seems unlikely. The troll has largely replaced the instigator, unless they're thinking of a counterpart to the karatemonkey. i.e., KM: ogre::instigator:troll

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    I don't see why they couldnt update the instigator to take fat wheels for those folks who want a stock, all-mtn, hardtail, fatbike platform. As more and more folks take the fatties to the hard stuff, there is an opening for a fattie geared towards more agressive trail riding.

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    Ps. I doubt they're gonna do a fat dummy, unless they make one with a hundo BB and 170 rear end. I think I'd be weirded out by an offset 135 cargo bike. I think a Short Fat Dummy would be awesome though. With an integral rack setup rather than the xtracycle-y stuff

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    Maybe it's time for them to ditch the 135mm offset designs.

    I understand their reasons, but a FBFD would make one hell of a camping/excursion bike, and 170mm hubs are what everyone else is doing, it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    Maybe it's time for them to ditch the 135mm offset designs....
    No, no, and no again. Please.

    Embiggen hubs as much as you like, but leave our 135mm offsets alone.

    They're a perfectly cromulent design for those of us who like light cheap hubs and/or hub gears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    No, no, and no again. Please.

    Embiggen hubs as much as you like, but leave our 135mm offsets alone.

    They're a perfectly cromulent design for those of us who like light cheap hubs and/or hub gears.
    The offset design works great. I love my Alfine 8 pugsley.

    On a related note, I got an email from surly saying they are only shipping bikes and framesets with non-offset forks now. They said they will still produce the offset forks for individual purchase, but new bikes won't come with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    This is my Instigator as built for a 1,200 mile (approx) completely offroad ride in Oz (about 11 years ago). At the time that was as fat as I could get.

    One problem I had was to carry sufficient water and most of the weight of the stuff carried on the bike was water because temperatures are usually in the high 30s+ at that time of year. Basically enough water to get me to the next waterhole, plus enough to get me back if it was dry, so for some stretches that's 30kg of water alone to get a decent safety margin. That makes allowance for a lot of footslogging pushing the bike through thick bulldust.



    The USP of the Instigator is that heavily braced steering head. It doesn't wobble at speed when it's heavily laden, a problem I found with the first bike I built up. I suspect it's why it's the basis for the Big Dummy - I'd like a fat one of those.
    How'd you get that IGH on there without a tesnioner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    How'd you get that IGH on there without a tesnioner?
    Calculated which combination of chainring and rear cog would give me a Magic Ratio setup with the chainstay length of the bike.

    I do the same with my 907 which is either singlespeed or hubgear.

    It also works with belt drive (I've done a couple of conversions for that).

    The downside with Magic Ratio is there is no provision for taking up slack in the chain as it wears so it's not a great idea for a bike used a lot in muddy abrasive conditions. I keep a stock of halflinks for making adjustments, but it's generally not a problem if you are using proper single chainline rings and cogs, because the bike can tolerate a lot of slack before it will drop a chain off full size teeth. (Mine never get slack anyway).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    No, no, and no again. Please.

    Embiggen hubs as much as you like, but leave our 135mm offsets alone.

    They're a perfectly cromulent design for those of us who like light cheap hubs and/or hub gears.
    +1 - Since Salsa and Surly are essentially the same company we already have a QBP 170mm fat bike option. No need for Surly to replicate what Salsa is already making.
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    That's at least a +1 million for using embiggen and cromulent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    +1 - Since Salsa and Surly are essentially the same company we already have a QBP 170mm fat bike option. No need for Surly to replicate what Salsa is already making.
    lots of shops can't get the salsa stuff, so it's not the same to many. aluminum vs steel of course, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PretendGentleman View Post
    lots of shops can't get the salsa stuff, so it's not the same to many. aluminum vs steel of course, too.
    That's qbp's stupid strategy...

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    Stupid strategy ... I thought someone had said they were separate entities that are marketed by QBP.

    Regardless,
    I have already stated it's a dumb system ... Manufacturing & distributing an entire years stock by April = Bad idea !

    IMHO,
    That doesn't really increase demand ... It causes people to seek another manufacturer.

    If Surly started making a 170mm non-offset, they would sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PretendGentleman View Post
    lots of shops can't get the salsa stuff, so it's not the same to many. aluminum vs steel of course, too.
    Salsa will sell your LBS who is a non-Salsa dealer their product if they have it in stock and if there isn't a local Salsa dealer. I asked them directly about this.

    If there isn't any stock that's a different issue not related to Salsa vs. Surly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    On a related note, I got an email from surly saying they are only shipping bikes and framesets with non-offset forks now. They said they will still produce the offset forks for individual purchase, but new bikes won't come with them.
    Really? Then what are they shipping on next year's Pugsleys? 135mm symmetric frot forks ala the Necro doesn't quite make sense to me.... nor does 100mm symmetric forks (even if that's the Pugs that I would personally buy).

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    Quote Originally Posted by evandy View Post
    Really? Then what are they shipping on next year's Pugsleys? 135mm symmetric frot forks ala the Necro doesn't quite make sense to me.... nor does 100mm symmetric forks (even if that's the Pugs that I would personally buy).
    I would hazard a guess that producing both offset and centered 135mm front wheels was driving up prices. Going to 135mm front hubs that lack freewheel threads that are laced symmetrically to the rim on all their fat bikes would save money and keep costs down, though the loss of the ability to switch front and rear wheels is... a loss. Presumeably they figured only the hardcore user requires this feature, and they can still get it, just not on a complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evandy View Post
    Really? Then what are they shipping on next year's Pugsleys? 135mm symmetric frot forks ala the Necro doesn't quite make sense to me.... nor does 100mm symmetric forks (even if that's the Pugs that I would personally buy).
    The only fork that will ship with completes and frames is the symmetrical Moonlander fork. I'm guessing its to save a few bucks.

    Seems kinda lame. I like having an Alfine 8 OR a single speed/fixed gear on the bike to swap around on the go, as I please. They did say they will continue to produce the offset fork separately, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PretendGentleman View Post
    Presumeably they figured only the hardcore user requires this feature, and they can still get it, just not on a complete.
    +1 - fatbikes are the new cruiser if you know what I mean. Most of them aren't going far from the trailhead.

    I can see the economic reality of making a version that suits most folks who aren't interested in that swappable functionality and I give Surly props for at least still providing that as an aftermarket option for folks that care.
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    According to the new website, the new Pugsleys are still coming with offset forks..

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    +1 - fatbikes are the new cruiser if you know what I mean. Most of them aren't going far from the trailhead.

    I can see the economic reality of making a version that suits most folks who aren't interested in that swappable functionality and I give Surly props for at least still providing that as an aftermarket option for folks that care.
    I've been mountain biking for 25 years with rear derailleurs. Not once have I had a need to replace my failed rear end while out on the trail. Maybe Surly realizes that it's just not real important for the majority of the riders. Besides, it looks funny.
    Riding Fat and still just as fast as I never was.

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    I loved my instigator.

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    I spy with my little eye.....

    New dropouts with a direct mount RD hanger, maybe modular drops to enable a swap from vertical/derailleur to horizontal?

    26in rabbit hole?

    New 26 x 2.35....or is that 3 a 7!!!!? Dirt W......

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    Quote Originally Posted by crashtestdummy View Post
    I've been mountain biking for 25 years with rear derailleurs. Not once have I had a need to replace my failed rear end while out on the trail. Maybe Surly realizes that it's just not real important for the majority of the riders. Besides, it looks funny.
    Other than the looks funny part - that's what I said. Wrecking rear derailleurs is not uncommon in a lot of places so you are lucky which is great. When Surly first sold fatbikes they were positioned as exploration/winter racing machines. Both uses made having some backup in case your derailleur was toast a useful feature. As more fatbikes got sold and fewer and fewer got used far from a trailhead the benefit for an offset fork was appreciated by fewer people.

    Stick an Offset Fork in it | Blog | Surly Bikes

    That makes sense. As long as the make an offset fork for those that want it I can't really blame Surly for going with a ML fork up front.

    I'm packing for a backcountry bike tour at the moment - I'm going to carry a first aid kit, bear spray, bear bangers and a store my food in a bear bag. I've never needed a FA kit on a tour like this and never had a negative bear encounter which would require this gear, but I still see value in it because the benefit of having it should a situation arise with a crash or problematic bear would be well worth it.

    I see the offset fork the same way and when I ride my Pugsley far away from help I'm always glad for the swappable front wheel.
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    With horizontal dropouts, the benefit of a swappable wheel is for instances in which your freehub fails (more gear range options for ss setups is also a benefit for some). Broken derailleurs don't matter since you can just convert to a singlespeed with the help of a chaintool. I've had a freehub fail, but it rendered the wheel unrollable so swapping it to the front wouldn't have helped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PretendGentleman View Post
    With horizontal dropouts, the benefit of a swappable wheel is for instances in which your freehub fails (more gear range options for ss setups is also a benefit for some).
    and IGH failures which would be my concern on my Pugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crashtestdummy View Post
    I've been mountain biking for 25 years with rear derailleurs. Not once have I had a need to replace my failed rear end while out on the trail. Maybe Surly realizes that it's just not real important for the majority of the riders. Besides, it looks funny.
    Free wheels sometimes fail to engage in extreme cold. If a little grease gets on them during assembly they get stuck in the un-engaged position the first time it gets really cold. It hasn't happened to me since I switched to winter specific hubs. But, I suspect that is the real concern swapability was designed to address...
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    I wonder if the 26+ instigator will also accommodate the trendy 27.5" wheels with 2" tires. This would be analogous to running 29er wheels on a pugsley. Surly gets to jump on the 27.5 bandwagon while maintaining their stoic indifference to mainstream mountain biking trends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PretendGentleman View Post
    I wonder if the 26+ instigator will also accommodate the trendy 27.5" wheels with 2" tires. This would be analogous to running 29er wheels on a pugsley. Surly gets to jump on the 27.5 bandwagon while maintaining their stoic indifference to mainstream mountain biking trends.
    I think that would be a pretty reasonable assumption given the FFF [fatties fit fine] philosophy of the Surly line up.
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    You know the offset fork isn't just about drive train failure. Sometimes its nice just to switch to a single speed whenever you want. Single speeds are fun, and with my igh setup, there are no derailleurs in the way.

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    I just ordered a pugsley frameset a couple days ago thinking I was getting an offset fork because the qbp website shows it as such, then my freind told me to read the second paragraph of the surly blog which says all bikes and framesets come with the moon fork. I was like FUUUUU>>>>> because I also ordered two rear wheels!!!!! So I was like FFFF it! and ordered a clownshoe wheel!!!! Fat Front Fat bike BOOOIIIII!!!!!! I think they must be designing a new offset fork and are retooling too.
    I dare Surly to come out with a Big Fat Dummy!!! I dont think they can!! I dont think they are smart enough or tough enough!!!! They couldnt do it if they tried those Birches!!! If they did I tell you what I'd do, I'd march right down there and buy one then and there! and I dont think they'd want that so they better not come out with a Big Fat Dummy!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    You know the offset fork isn't just about drive train failure. Sometimes its nice just to switch to a single speed whenever you want. Single speeds are fun, and with my igh setup, there are no derailleurs in the way.
    I can't wait to get an A8 on the Moonlander. On the font are you running a fixed cog or a freewheel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by singlefin View Post
    I can't wait to get an A8 on the Moonlander. On the font are you running a fixed cog or a freewheel?
    It'll be a freewheel in the summer, and fixed in the winter because fixed gear is lots of fun in the snow! Front hub is fixed threaded so I can run a freewheel or a fixed cog. With regular as threading, you only get one option. Not sure why they aren't all fixed threaded.

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    This is the only thing that has made me feel at all ok in a very very long time about parting with my old instigator.
    A new more versatile frame from Surly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbent View Post
    then my freind told me to read the second paragraph of the surly blog.
    Yo, your friend sound like he's IN with it, listen to that fool. Also, it sounds like you got PLAYED by qbp. Say you coming and took you for a spin like a stolen, rusty cruiser, boy. Yeah, I'm talkin 'bout a HARSH ride. On the flip side, you ended up with a waaaay gnarlier bike. Hunjo on the front? Turning that ride into a pimp sled is what is sounds like, fattest of the fatties and all. Post a pic, brah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by float nasty View Post
    Yo, your friend sound like he's IN with it, listen to that fool. Also, it sounds like you got PLAYED by qbp. Say you coming and took you for a spin like a stolen, rusty cruiser, boy. Yeah, I'm talkin 'bout a HARSH ride. On the flip side, you ended up with a waaaay gnarlier bike. Hunjo on the front? Turning that ride into a pimp sled is what is sounds like, fattest of the fatties and all. Post a pic, brah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancake Adventure View Post
    You are my favorite new MTBR poster, and I love you.
    Man, all the sock puppets invading mtbr are sure a hoot these days.

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    I prefer to see it as good satire, and you know what they say about good satire...

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    Surly Brings Back the Instigator with 26+, Adds ECR 29+ and Straggler Disc

    Bike rumor has the info on the new surly offerings. I am excited the instigator will come equipped with a suspension fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sagealmighty View Post
    You are my favorite new MTBR poster, and I love you.
    I'm feeling the love, just keeping things interesting and original.

    Also, I'm DIGGIN the new surly offerings too ... that instigator looks dope but you know the front writes checks the back can't cash. 120mm front on a hard tail non--29er rear? I'd die with the happiest smile on my face for sure on that thing.

    Talking about new surly offerings did ya'll hear about the new 2014 color of the 1x1? It used to be "cash black" - yeah that's RESPECT for a legend .. don't get the name? don't worry about it. Seriously, what a BALLIN name for the color black. For 2014 the color will be ... pink. hot. pink. Can you FAIL harder! The 1x1 is a REAL bike and surly just killed it. Who would rip a hot pink bike here? If them's your colors stand up!!!!!!

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    Dammit, I totally want to build up a 650b FS rig with 26+ rims/tires and an XXO drivetrain.

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    I'd ride a pink 1x1. Pink can be as punk as black if you want it to be.

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    Hey SURLY.....Quit Starting $hit!!!!

    Dude, if you can't rock a pink bike, get the fack out of the way. If I still had my hot pink GT Performer, I'd be the coolest kid on the block.

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    meh, I *could* ride a hot pink sled but here's the deal: you know when you see a bike you're kinda already into and it's that right color and it just makes your testicles QUAKE. Like, oh HAWT dang that's gotta be MY bike. Pink ... no, not even close. As far as punk rock goes, pink is it but you gotta floss it, ya know. If someone passes me on a pink bike and is wearing studded leather and skull rings and smells of last night's sick ... I'll turn to whomever I'm riding with and say "You see how RAD that dude was? Just effin GNARLY." If that's either of you then RESPECT, you just achieved rock star status. However, know you got to keep that up when you ride. No dancing past anyone saying "excuuuuuse meeeee" on the trail with that rig.

    Surly's color's are always love/hate though. Pink may not be me but if you dig it, then surly just made your day and for that I'm happy. Color's only a blur anyways cause on a surly you should RIP it. Peace and love lil homies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by float nasty View Post
    meh, I *could* ride a hot pink sled but here's the deal: you know when you see a bike you're kinda already into and it's that right color and it just makes your testicles QUAKE. Like, oh HAWT dang that's gotta be MY bike. Pink ... no, not even close. As far as punk rock goes, pink is it but you gotta floss it, ya know. If someone passes me on a pink bike and is wearing studded leather and skull rings and smells of last night's sick ... I'll turn to whomever I'm riding with and say "You see how RAD that dude was? Just effin GNARLY." If that's either of you then RESPECT, you just achieved rock star status. However, know you got to keep that up when you ride. No dancing past anyone saying "excuuuuuse meeeee" on the trail with that rig.

    Surly's color's are always love/hate though. Pink may not be me but if you dig it, then surly just made your day and for that I'm happy. Color's only a blur anyways cause on a surly you should RIP it. Peace and love lil homies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancake Adventure View Post
    Are you related to Jim Anchower?
    I was wondering the same thing, wut with the way he rapped at us there.

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    All of this is comming at me too fast, I need some time to consider all of these new developments and lyrics.
    " F#ck it, lets go ride bikes!"

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    Dunno no Jim, what he got flow? As far as rappin and lyrics and what not, here's something REAL. Anyone who can name that tune is the real deal:

    "Girl, I want your body. You know I love your body. Girl, I need your body, cause you got that fat a$$."

    Alright so back to some two wheeled stuffs: I was on a hike today thinking about these new bikes like surly's instigator, niner's ROS 9, and the O.G. nimble 9. This trend of super slack head angles and mega cush up front paired with tight chainstays and a dropper seat is funky to me. I get it, ya know, we all wanna HUCK but would any of ya'll hucksters choose this over a plush dually? I gotta try one ... word on the street is they get you into straight up TROUBLE on the trails.

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    Hey SURLY.....Quit Starting $hit!!!!

    Dunno, I would love to give one a try in the bike park, but I'm a hard tail junky. I huck my fatty off things some people who ride the cush don't. I guess it's all in the rider and how they get their kicks. I think it looks like a blast, and in the right hands would be wicked...not my hands, but someone. The ROS looks badass, I def want one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancake Adventure View Post
    Are you related to Jim Anchower?
    hahah nice

    I'd ride a pink bike but it'd have to be super pink, maximully pink, the most pink it can be. No compromises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by float nasty View Post
    Dunno no Jim, what he got flow? As far as rappin and lyrics and what not, here's something REAL. Anyone who can name that tune is the real deal:

    "Girl, I want your body. You know I love your body. Girl, I need your body, cause you got that fat a$$."

    Alright so back to some two wheeled stuffs: I was on a hike today thinking about these new bikes like surly's instigator, niner's ROS 9, and the O.G. nimble 9. This trend of super slack head angles and mega cush up front paired with tight chainstays and a dropper seat is funky to me. I get it, ya know, we all wanna HUCK but would any of ya'll hucksters choose this over a plush dually? I gotta try one ... word on the street is they get you into straight up TROUBLE on the trails.
    I kinda want to rap all your posts, white boy style.

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    Fantastic idea.

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