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    Hed Big Deal Carbon Rims!

    I apologize for the delay in posting this and still don't have photos but I thought some may be interested in my experience with these amazing rims. I had Paul Whub front and Hope Pro Evo2 rear hubs drop shipped to Hed and they had it built with Sapim spokes and out the door the same day! I received the wheels in Western MA 3 days later; not bad. The wheels are crazy light. I set them up first with Dillingers following their directions of 1 layer of Gorilla tape to cover the spoke holes. The tires sealed and were seated without trouble but I kept having leakage out the spoke wholes. I took everything apart, cleaned the rims, re-applied tape, inserted tube and left inflated to 20psi overnight to really mash down the tape. Replaced tires and still had leakage from the spoke holes, but less, and after 12 hrs of re-inflating, they sealed up and never leaked again. In the future I might put a little rubber cement on the nipples to improve the seal. So my Aluminum Fatback (170mm) with O-Beast carbon fork, e13 cranks, XT drivetrain, and cheap aluminum bars/stem/post weighs 27 lbs. I didn't actually ride the bike with that set-up because my son wanted the Dillingers back on his bike(!) so I replaced them with my trusty Bud/Nate combo. Added 120 front and 80 rear grip studs and bike is now 28.5 lbs. Now the ride report: holy crap! I lost 4 lbs of rotational weight from my hundies and it's a whole different bike. I'm screaming up climbs that that used to feel like peddling through molasses, and I'm hopping onto rocks like I was on my carbon Tallboy. The steering also feels quicker/lighter. I could never run my previous wheels tubeless; now I have no fear of pinch-flatting and will consider making this my year-round bike. BTW, Paul at Hed was really helpful in getting the wheels sealed and even gave me his contact info over the weekend if I had any problems. Yes, the wheels were expensive (about $2000 total shipped) but when I see what people are paying for carbon frames to take 1lb of static weight off compared to aluminum, this was a bargain. So all we need now is a little snow!

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    Nice, thanks! Any one else willing and able to share their experience with these wheels?

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    I have had my HED's for over a month now. Built with Paul on the front and Industry Nine on the rear. There isn't a better or lighter hub than I-9! And while I am at it, I will say there isn't a better set of rims than the HED's. Used one strip of gorilla tape, and set them up tubeless with Husker Du's. Had no leakage at all. I have them on my Mukluk-Ti which I race with down in the southeast in Pisgah etc. all single track steep rocky and rooty. So, no snow, but the wheels handle like a dream. I have gotten the whole bike down to just over 22Lbs with those wheels. I can definitely feel an improved response when accelerating and more agility in turning.

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    Beargrease Carbon

    Quote Originally Posted by campykid View Post
    I apologize for the delay in posting this and still don't have photos but I thought some may be interested in my experience with these amazing rims. I had Paul Whub front and Hope Pro Evo2 rear hubs drop shipped to Hed and they had it built with Sapim spokes and out the door the same day! I received the wheels in Western MA 3 days later; not bad. The wheels are crazy light. I set them up first with Dillingers following their directions of 1 layer of Gorilla tape to cover the spoke holes. The tires sealed and were seated without trouble but I kept having leakage out the spoke wholes. I took everything apart, cleaned the rims, re-applied tape, inserted tube and left inflated to 20psi overnight to really mash down the tape. Replaced tires and still had leakage from the spoke holes, but less, and after 12 hrs of re-inflating, they sealed up and never leaked again. In the future I might put a little rubber cement on the nipples to improve the seal. So my Aluminum Fatback (170mm) with O-Beast carbon fork, e13 cranks, XT drivetrain, and cheap aluminum bars/stem/post weighs 27 lbs. I didn't actually ride the bike with that set-up because my son wanted the Dillingers back on his bike(!) so I replaced them with my trusty Bud/Nate combo. Added 120 front and 80 rear grip studs and bike is now 28.5 lbs. Now the ride report: holy crap! I lost 4 lbs of rotational weight from my hundies and it's a whole different bike. I'm screaming up climbs that that used to feel like peddling through molasses, and I'm hopping onto rocks like I was on my carbon Tallboy. The steering also feels quicker/lighter. I could never run my previous wheels tubeless; now I have no fear of pinch-flatting and will consider making this my year-round bike. BTW, Paul at Hed was really helpful in getting the wheels sealed and even gave me his contact info over the weekend if I had any problems. Yes, the wheels were expensive (about $2000 total shipped) but when I see what people are paying for carbon frames to take 1lb of static weight off compared to aluminum, this was a bargain. So all we need now is a little snow!
    I just built up the Beargrease Carbon with the Hed carbon rims and laced them to the new I9 Torch hubs. I should be in the saddle by next week. Can't wait. This New England snow is killing. Good to see all positive reviews. Cheers, Johnny

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    Hed Big Deal Carbon Rims!

    I have about 5 rides on mine and I am impressed with the quality of the HED rims and the i9 hubs. The bike accelerates up hills like you have an engine strapped to it.

    I also agree spend the money shaving rotating weight as you will feel it the most


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    Beargrease Carbon

    Quote Originally Posted by Way2ManyBikes View Post
    I have about 5 rides on mine and I am impressed with the quality of the HED rims and the i9 hubs. The bike accelerates up hills like you have an engine strapped to it.

    I also agree spend the money shaving rotating weight as you will feel it the most


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    Hed Big Deal Carbon Rims!

    Everything here is snow covered. However ever chance I can I try to jump or toss the bike around.

    FYI - I am 165 + 20lbs of gear
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    Re: Hed Big Deal Carbon Rims!

    I had mine built with a PD dynamo hub. Turnaround for my wheel was a full six weeks, including shipping from and to Alaska.

    I only got a front wheel, as I am a larger rider and need a clown shoe in the rear to minimize break-through on the soft stuff. I am happy with the rim and wheel build quality, although I did notice ice accumulating in the rim grooves on a multi-day excursion, but this shouldn't be an issue for most riders.

    Over-all, the wheel is well worth the money.

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    What was the price of the rim and build from HED? Did anyone purchase the complete wheel set from HED with the I9 hubs? If so, what was the price? Thanks.

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    A friend of mine at my LBS said he called HED and they told him it was $2200 for the complete set built with i9's and CX-Ray spokes. I was expecting more considering its a lot of carbon in the rim and those hubs and spokes aint cheap either.

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    I paid a total of $2000 for Paul/Hope pro evo2 hubs, Hed rims, Sapim spokes, wheelbuilding, and shipping.

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    I have heard a few people express a problem with the HED rim at low pressures. Anyone have any experience at less than 5 psi?

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    Been down to 3 psi; absolutely no problems. Had to take the tire off yesterday; it was sealed tight! After completely deflating it had to stand on the tire to break the seal. I have no concerns re: burping.

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    Well, this has put me over the edge. My Carbondales are paid for but I'm not wanting to be patient any longer. They seemed to be annoyed at Borealis that I am interested in regular updates concerning when the rims will be available. HED might not be any better at communicating but at least their rims are available so they don't have to talk with customers about how long they will need to wait.

    Monday can't come soon enough so I can get the ball rolling.

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    HED Carbon

    Quote Originally Posted by alphazz View Post
    Well, this has put me over the edge. My Carbondales are paid for but I'm not wanting to be patient any longer. They seemed to be annoyed at Borealis that I am interested in regular updates concerning when the rims will be available. HED might not be any better at communicating but at least their rims are available so they don't have to talk with customers about how long they will need to wait.

    Monday can't come soon enough so I can get the ball rolling.
    I've gotten mine down to 4.5 psi with no seal problems. HED's carbon rims are amazing. Can't wait to ride them with no snow and take the Beargrease to Highland for some shuttle runs.

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    Hed Big Deal Carbon Rims!

    Rumor is that the podium at Fat Birkie were rolling Heds.


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    I looked at someone's HED wheels before a race recently and noticed that her's were leaking sealant around the bead. She brushed it off as water, but it was clearly green sealant.

    Any others notice that their HED tubeless wheels leak?

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    Had trouble sealing spoke holes initially. Haven't lost a drop since (nate and bud, 300 miles) .

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    Rumor is that the podium at Fat Birkie were rolling Heds.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphazz View Post
    I have heard a few people express a problem with the HED rim at low pressures. Anyone have any experience at less than 5 psi?
    I currently ride mine at 6 psi and hav gone as low as 3 psi in really deep snow. As for the leaking they were probably just mounted.

    Here is a tip if you buy them. First make sure you get the 3" wide Gorilla tape as the 2" doesn't really work that well for the nipple sealing.

    Mount the tire filled with Stan's and then dip a clean shop rag in the Stan's sealant and wipe/soak with rim bead and outside of the tire bead. This will help the tire mount (acts a lubricant) and it will also help seal the rim/tire bead much quicker. You will have to ride the bike at least once to help it get the Stan's everywhere it needs to seal but after the first or second ride it should completely seal it self up.

    ps I do check the tire prior to every ride and the most I have ever pumped in was 2 pumps.
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    I am very happy with mine. No problem with the tubeless setup per the directions supplied. Pretty quick turnaround. I haven't needed to go below 5psi yet so I can't answer that question but I can't imagine it would be an issue.

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    Has anyone dealt directly with HED to purchase their wheels?

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    Hed Big Deal Carbon Rims!

    Quote Originally Posted by Monument247 View Post
    Has anyone dealt directly with HED to purchase their wheels?
    Kinda yes. I talked with them several times and then had my local bike shop get the RA # for the hubs


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    Thanks, Way2. Unfortunately, I have no LBS. The nearest is an 85 mile round trip. It'd be great if I could order a set of wheels with hubs from them. I'm not sure that I'm ready to drop that kind of money yet. When I decide, I'll call HED and see if I can buy a pair direct.

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    Hed Big Deal Carbon Rims!

    I know fat bikes had built 9Zero7 hubs with HED carbon rims built up ready to go on there site.

    Also North Central Cycle in Dekalb, Il can order hubs & Rims and ship them direct to your residents or work with a signature required delivery.
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    I saw a set of HED's laced to i9's for sale at Cycle Haven https://www.facebook.com/pages/CYCLE...11338492337632

    Give them a call...

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    Where can I buy a built up set ready to go and how much now..? Can someone please post a link..Thanks..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trekmogul View Post
    Where can I buy a built up set ready to go and how much now..? Can someone please post a link..Thanks..
    If you just google "Hed Big Deal Rims" you will get lots of links, inckuding Hed which should give you all the information you need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    If you just google "Hed Big Deal Rims" you will get lots of links, inckuding Hed which should give you all the information you need.
    Yes already have it figured out and HED will be sending them already built up..
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    I think I read somwhere that he'd only recommend that these rims only be used in sand and snow ( although I can't find anything on this on heds website )
    I'm looking at a set but they would be solely used on dirt/gravel trails
    Does anyone know if this is the case?
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    So you need Kuroshiro rims ! 😉

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat2A View Post
    So you need Kuroshiro rims ! 😉
    Nice Kuroshiro ensō685 carbon fat bike rims — First look - BikeRadar
    Bit out of my price range , I'm already doubled my original budget !!!
    Buy once and buy right
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    I received mine. I posted pictures in the corresponding post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat2A View Post
    I received mine. I posted pictures in the corresponding post.
    Do you have a set
    Sorry where are the pics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironpo View Post
    Do you have a set
    Sorry where are the pics?
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    Sorry again
    I just seen the thread
    They look real nice with the white on the rim
    ,how many $$$$$$
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trekmogul View Post
    Where can I buy a built up set ready to go and how much now..? Can someone please post a link..Thanks..
    HED Big Deal Carbon Fat Bike Wheels

    Quote Originally Posted by ironpo View Post
    I think I read somwhere that he'd only recommend that these rims only be used in sand and snow ( although I can't find anything on this on heds website )
    Hed currently has no restrictions on terrain. Not sure where that rumor started (maybe Hed at one point) but it doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EPcycles View Post
    HED Big Deal Carbon Fat Bike Wheels



    Hed currently has no restrictions on terrain. Not sure where that rumor started (maybe Hed at one point) but it doesn't seem to be the case anymore.
    thanks
    yes I got an email back from hed saying much the same thing
    just a rumor
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    Dang it that's what I get for listening to rumors, I should have bought a set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironpo View Post
    I think I read somwhere that he'd only recommend that these rims only be used in sand and snow ( although I can't find anything on this on heds website )
    I'm looking at a set but they would be solely used on dirt/gravel trails
    Does anyone know if this is the case?
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    I have beaten the crap out of mine on dirt single track with jumps, rocks and everything you can think of.

    Recently I upgraded to the Bluto and increased the tire pressure to 10lbs and so far no problems.
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    Just spoke with HED - No restriction on type of trail with there rims.

    ps - Just check out there facebook page and you will see plenty of pics of people abusing them.

    https://www.facebook.com/hedcycling
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    What is the ERD for these rims? Free spoke shows 564, which doesn't seem possibly correct.
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    Hed Big Deal Carbon Rims!

    Erd ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    What is the ERD for these rims? Free spoke shows 564, which doesn't seem possibly correct.
    Doesn't matter, since HED won't let you, or even your shop, build wheels from their rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    What is the ERD for these rims? Free spoke shows 564, which doesn't seem possibly correct.
    It isn't possible.
    I think It's around 540...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Doesn't matter, since HED won't let you, or even your shop, build wheels from their rims.
    I own a one. I have already broken two spokes. When the shop replaced them, I asked for the sizes, but they didn't remember. I'd like some spare spokes, but can't measure the ones on it accurately without removing a few spokes--which I'd rather not do. If I knew the ERD, I could calculate the likely spoke sizes and pick up a few spares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    I own a one. I have already broken two spokes. When the shop replaced them, I asked for the sizes, but they didn't remember. I'd like some spare spokes, but can't measure the ones on it accurately without removing a few spokes--which I'd rather not do. If I knew the ERD, I could calculate the likely spoke sizes and pick up a few spares.
    Sorry for the snarky comment. As a DIY guy, it's annoying to me that I can't build up my own wheels. Are you allowed to replace broken spokes without voiding their warranty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmooveP View Post
    Sorry for the snarky comment. As a DIY guy, it's annoying to me that I can't build up my own wheels. Are you allowed to replace broken spokes without voiding their warranty?
    No worries. I don't know whether it would void the warranty, but I'll be using the wheel on the ITI, so I really don't have any choice but to replace on the way if one or more spokes break.
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    Why don't you just ask HED? I'm sure if you tell them the story they'd help you out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars_D View Post
    I own a one. I have already broken two spokes. When the shop replaced them, I asked for the sizes, but they didn't remember. I'd like some spare spokes, but can't measure the ones on it accurately without removing a few spokes--which I'd rather not do. If I knew the ERD, I could calculate the likely spoke sizes and pick up a few spares.
    You've broken two spokes already, on a front wheel? JRA, or were there sticks in the spokes involved?

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    Hed Big Deal Carbon Rims!

    I ordered a set last week and can't wait to drop them on last years Farley. But...... apparently the entire HED factory is at interbike this week so I won't get a delivery estimate until next week. I'm sure it's worth the wait for these sweet wheels. Final upgrade that will leave the Farley at about 24ish pounds...


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    Has anyone struggled changing tires on these rims?

    Today I tried to pull off my Surly Knard read and Larry front tires and put my Dillengers back on. I could not get the Knard or Larry off by hand so tried using some Pedro's levers but still couldn't get them off. I was very worried I was going to damage the the rim and ended up sacrificing the tires and cut them off. Figured better doing this than damaging the rims.

    I was able to get the Dillenger's on without difficulty but I've never had such difficulty removing tires before. Interested what other's experience is and if anyone has any tips.

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    Hed Big Deal Carbon Rims!

    There is a trick.

    Call me and then you can share it. I can do a tire swap in about 10 minutes


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    Quote Originally Posted by Way2ManyBikes View Post
    There is a trick.

    Call me and then you can share it. I can do a tire swap in about 10 minutes
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    C'mon W2MB! Share your "trick" here on the forum. We'd all like to know!

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    Okay, Sorry I was on the way to dinner last night and didn't have time.

    Removal
    1. Deflate remove the valve core and deflate the tire (leave core out)

    2. Lay wheel on it's side and start pushing down on the side wall. Go all the way around till you break the bead. If the bead doesn't want to break. Spray a little water on the bead it actually helps.

    3. Repeat with other side. Once both sides have released you can move to step 4

    4. On the side that you are removing slide the tire 180 degrees from where you are install the "Crank Brothers Tire Lever" and put the bead inside the groove where you would place the giant blue rubber band. Put as much of the bead in this groove. This will give you at lease another 1/4 to 3/8 of an inch of upward movement.

    5. Take the Crank Borther's Speed Lever and spin it around the arch of the rim and the tire should come right off.

    6. Repeat on the other side.

    Installing.

    1. Do everything the instruction from HED states. However I have found over the years that if you wipe the rim bead and the rim with tire sealant it will speed the seating process as the sealant acts as a lubricant and allows the tire to slide up the rim surface much easier.

    It also helps the seal of the tire at the sidewall and mounting surface.

    I hope this makes sense guys if not I can dismount one of mine and take pictures so you guys can see how i did it.
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    As to step 2, sometimes the bead is so tight that I actually stand on the tire with the wheel lying flat on carpet and work my foot toward the rim to break the seal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by campykid View Post
    As to step 2, sometimes the bead is so tight that I actually stand on the tire with the wheel lying flat on carpet and work my foot toward the rim to break the seal.
    Agreed - Just make sure you work all the way around and not stay in one area. A little at a time is the safest.
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    Lubrication and Levers!

    Definately the "Stand on the Tire" move is necessary to break the bead.

    Don't underestimate what a little lube will do for you. I liquid soap the hell out of the tire if I'm removing it and it slips off like butter. Not sure what the soap does to Stan's ability to seal the sidewall so I clean it off really well when mounting.

    I know the warranty says no levers but I just don't see it possible. I use the widest lever I could find which was a yellow pedro's (About 3/4" wide) to spread the force across a larger area of the edge of the rim. I also keep a note in my toolbox to remember what side and what angle from the stem I used the last time to make sure not to stress the same place everytime I'll change tires which is only once per season.

    Also, when mounting a new tire, I toss in a tube and inflate. Then I only pop one side to pull the tube. That way only one side leaks and needs mounted. Worked great for me. Didn't need "inflatobands". I don't know how anyone could mount these tubeless without an air compressor though.

    I'll be honest, not really looking forward to dropping a tube in one of these bad boys on the trail.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FewDaysOnTrail View Post
    Definately the "Stand on the Tire" move is necessary to break the bead.

    Don't underestimate what a little lube will do for you. I liquid soap the hell out of the tire if I'm removing it and it slips off like butter. Not sure what the soap does to Stan's ability to seal the sidewall so I clean it off really well when mounting.

    I know the warranty says no levers but I just don't see it possible. I use the widest lever I could find which was a yellow pedro's (About 3/4" wide) to spread the force across a larger area of the edge of the rim. I also keep a note in my toolbox to remember what side and what angle from the stem I used the last time to make sure not to stress the same place everytime I'll change tires which is only once per season.

    Also, when mounting a new tire, I toss in a tube and inflate. Then I only pop one side to pull the tube. That way only one side leaks and needs mounted. Worked great for me. Didn't need "inflatobands". I don't know how anyone could mount these tubeless without an air compressor though.

    I'll be honest, not really looking forward to dropping a tube in one of these bad boys on the trail.....
    I'll try the liquid soap trick next time to see if it helps. I also tried the Pedros levers but without success before I resorted to cutting the tires off. I now ordered a set of the Crankbothers "speedier levers", so I can try those in the future too.

    I was able to get the front Dilliger to mount and seal up without too much difficultly with a 125 psi compressor. Using Orange Subzero sealant it sealed up pretty easily. However I couldn't get the rear one to snap into place - just too much leaking. I tried using a lubricant on the bead (http://www.amazon.com/Adams-Waterles.../dp/B0044ZC17C) but it still would not snap into place, just too much air leaking out. I am going to try it on a higher PSI air compressor (200 psi) this week to see if that does the trick. I think it was close with the 125 psi one.

    I agree that getting a flat and putting a tube in on the trail could be really a pain. Best to keep the sealant topped up...

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    Use that tube trick to get half the tire mounted in the bead. I think you'll find that it eliminates HALF the leaks and you'll mount them up in a Jiffy!
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    If you get a flat on the trail it will not be as hard to break the bead as the air inside the tire will leak out and the bead will be easier to work off by hand. I never use any tire iron on carbon rims !

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FewDaysOnTrail View Post
    I'll be honest, not really looking forward to dropping a tube in one of these bad boys on the trail.....
    I had one flat on the trail and swapped in a tube in 10 minutes or less. Pretty easy just break the bead on one side of the trail and check for thorn and slap the tube in.

    The hardest part was pumping up the tire. I had previously purchased the
    Lezyne Micro Floor Drive High Volume Pump and it was a life saver. I just wish it was a dual action pump.

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    Hello,
    I'm having a hard time try replacing the tires on the big HED. Do you have pictures or a video by any chance?
    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablomac1 View Post
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    Maybe a few more specifics on what your having problems with and we can help a little better?
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    Hed's on order. Going to go with fattystripper rim strip (38g) instead of tape. I assume I can trim it down to just flat area and not have it overlap sidewall/beads as it seems the rims should seat up well without the added rim strip on the bead. This will help for future tire changes and thus prevent rim strip coming off.
    Anyone try this setup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablomac1 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cape Codder View Post
    Hed's on order. Going to go with fattystripper rim strip (38g) instead of tape. I assume I can trim it down to just flat area and not have it overlap sidewall/beads as it seems the rims should seat up well without the added rim strip on the bead. This will help for future tire changes and thus prevent rim strip coming off.
    Anyone try this setup?
    Cape, you just ordered some HED wheels? You must not know about the rubber washers that delete the need for tape on HED rims. With that said, I'm personally not sure how that will work in really cold temps and really low pressures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablomac1 View Post
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    Thank you
    here is how i do it: use a nylon hub 'bush' used for working on hubs without side loading the bearing, Hope make one. place on ground. place wheel on hub bush.

    then place soft wood for around 20-30cm of rim circumference between your surface (the floor) and the rim, such that the wheel is level, on its side on the hub bush, and the side wall is supported for a good surface area. it should be stable. deflate, grab tyre and push towards the floor. rotate and go again. bob's your uncle.

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    I have the Hed wheels with the rubber washers and they work great. no leaks and I just went for a snowy ride at 5psi and all was good. plan on going to 4 psi when we get a bit more snow.
    I'm wondering if I'll need to carry a rim strip along with a tube. If I end up in the back county and have to put in a tube for some reason I can see it getting punctured by exposed nipples. Any thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by b2b2 View Post
    I have the Hed wheels with the rubber washers and they work great. no leaks and I just went for a snowy ride at 5psi and all was good. plan on going to 4 psi when we get a bit more snow.
    I'm wondering if I'll need to carry a rim strip along with a tube. If I end up in the back county and have to put in a tube for some reason I can see it getting punctured by exposed nipples. Any thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by b2b2 View Post
    I have the Hed wheels with the rubber washers and they work great. no leaks and I just went for a snowy ride at 5psi and all was good. plan on going to 4 psi when we get a bit more snow.
    I'm wondering if I'll need to carry a rim strip along with a tube. If I end up in the back county and have to put in a tube for some reason I can see it getting punctured by exposed nipples. Any thoughts?
    They do work well, but I'm having some issues with the rear wheel when trying to go down to 3psi and I'm wondering if forces on the rear wheel will allow air to escape at the nipples. I could care less if they work at 6 psi at warmer temperatures if they won't go down to -40 at 2 psi. If need be, I'll add some tape to tighten up the fit and seal the nipples. I have no use for tubes and have zero interest in installing tubes in the snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphazz View Post
    They do work well, but I'm having some issues with the rear wheel when trying to go down to 3psi and I'm wondering if forces on the rear wheel will allow air to escape at the nipples. I could care less if they work at 6 psi at warmer temperatures if they won't go down to -40 at 2 psi. If need be, I'll add some tape to tighten up the fit and seal the nipples. I have no use for tubes and have zero interest in installing tubes in the snow.
    I'd think it's more likely the air loss is at the rim/tire interface at ~2-3 psi.

    But no harm in removing variables along the way. I put a dot of AquaSeal on top of each nip, inside the rim (Kuroshiro's, not HED's, but in this case irrelevant) to seal them up. I hadn't lost any air to date, but I know that somewhere along the way I will get a flat that means sticking in a tube to continue. This "method" will (in theory) allow that to happen by covering the nips with something non-pointy.

    I waited a few minutes (10? 15?) for the AquaSeal to tack up, then mashed each dot with my thumb to round it out and remove any points of glue sticking up that might be able to irritate or puncture a tube.

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    Did not know the rubber washers worked. Thanks. Anyone have issue/success with them? What are others doing? Anyone use the Fattystripper low weight stems?

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    I built mine with DT Swiss ProLock nipples and the rubber washers, then did one layer of Gorilla clear tape (it's lighter than the black and has pictures of leaking boats on the package). If I recall, last winter I ran them around 3-4PSI in Bud/ Van Helga and had no leakage or significant loss of air during storage between rides. I'm about to switch from summer tires to winter, and have been running them at 6-9PSI in Kenda Juggernauts since about April with no addition of sealant. Mike's idea of Aquaseal is probably lighter and should do the trick nicely, but for what it's worth, I've had good luck with the Gorilla tape.

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    HED website says to use Conical valve stems. Fatty Stripper says to use their rectangle valves for single wall rims. What have you guys used and success?
    FYI - site also says to use gorilla tape!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cape Codder View Post
    HED website says to use Conical valve stems. Fatty Stripper says to use their rectangle valves for single wall rims. What have you guys used and success?
    FYI - site also says to use gorilla tape!
    I used the conical Stans valves. The wheels came with a washer that had "rubber" on one side. That washer is to go on the valve stem with the rubber side to the wheel to prevent the valve keeper nut from grinding into the wheel.

    I also used a small dab of silicone on the inside of the wheel on each spoke to seal it instead of using tape. It has worked well and never leaked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cape Codder View Post
    HED website says to use Conical valve stems. Fatty Stripper says to use their rectangle valves for single wall rims. What have you guys used and success?
    FYI - site also says to use gorilla tape!
    I use Schrader valves on my HED rims which have a flat rubber seal. They work great.

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    Im about to buy a set of the HED rims. Did any of you ride them in the summer?

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    I run them all year, same with everyone I know, not heard from anyone having a problem.

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    Any one riding Ground Control 4.6 on their HED Big Deals?

    I am buying a Fatboy for my wife and getting her 4" tires and thought I would put the GCs on my Borealis, but the shop is telling me the GCs wont work tubeless.

    Anyone with experience?

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    I had GC on my HED (not the 100mm version) last year, on a Yampa and they would perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coyotegulch View Post
    Any one riding Ground Control 4.6 on their HED Big Deals?

    I am buying a Fatboy for my wife and getting her 4" tires and thought I would put the GCs on my Borealis, but the shop is telling me the GCs wont work tubeless.

    Anyone with experience?
    Friend of mine has been running 4.6 ground control tubeless HED carbon rims on his Fatboy for almost 2 years now without any problems at all.

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    The Ground Controls have been the best tires for tubeless I have had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coyotegulch View Post
    Any one riding Ground Control 4.6 on their HED Big Deals?

    I am buying a Fatboy for my wife and getting her 4" tires and thought I would put the GCs on my Borealis, but the shop is telling me the GCs wont work tubeless.

    Anyone with experience?
    Ya, I'm aware of the potential problems setting up GC's on HED's. Usually the problem happens when brand new GC's are trying to be mounted. When the new GC's are unfolded their stiff sidewalls can stay warped. The HED design requires the entire bead to sit in the relief channels so the bead can slide up the ramps at the same time. When having these issues you can apply heat to the tires and a lot of soapy water. While you are filling the tire with air smack the tire directly down towards the rim over the valve location. So far that's the only tire that has been a pain to set up!

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    You can also put the tires in the dryer if you have one that has a floating shelf on a low heat to soften them up.

    On a side note I suggest you don't let the wife know what your doing.
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    i just got a set, gotta have the front rebuilt, onto a lefty hub so it'll fit my caad fat 1


    got the rear fitted with 4.8 bud (will fit same for front)

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    Quote Originally Posted by coyotegulch View Post
    Any one riding Ground Control 4.6 on their HED Big Deals?

    I am buying a Fatboy for my wife and getting her 4" tires and thought I would put the GCs on my Borealis, but the shop is telling me the GCs wont work tubeless.

    Anyone with experience?
    I am using the 4.6's on HEDs, also have them tubeless, without any issues, they seal fine, I used 4 oz of stans in each wheel

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    Your lbs is an asshat

    I've had Gc mounted to both the carbon and the alum

    The alum is an exceptional wheel by the way

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