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    Awesome pictures! Very cool to see these bikes being built.
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    Great looking nicely equipped bikes at a fair price an hour away from me. I really don't need another FB but Growler does have my interest. Just wondering if there are any design/geometry/handling comprises made in a frame designed to accommodate all the offered wheel sizes. Happy Thanksgiving!

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    Sounds like bang for the buck and I like the custom color options.

    Are there any online reviews anywhere?

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    Hi tm3!

    We do not have any perfessional reviews of our bikes. To be honest I am hesitant to do so as many of the reviewers wanted to be paid for the reviews. It's hard to get honest good and bad reviews of a product when we are paying them big bucks. I have reach out to anyone who has spent a fare amount of time in the saddle on our demo bikes and asked them to jump on here to offer their honest opinions of our bike. Hopefully as customers bikes arrrive they will give their unsolicited opinions. I would rather my customers know what they are really buying then read a bunch of fluff in magazine.

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    Hi guys,

    New to the threads here. I met Wheels about 6 weeks ago through a group meet up at Dryer road park. My first thought after showing up and seeing these bikes was more or less indifferent. I was riding a Kona Wo that I'd had for about a year and thought was just fine. I showed up to ride the next week and decided that, after watching some of the guys riding these bikes tear up the trails and me struggling to keep up, that I wanted to try one out. Th next week I took out the 27.5+ and couldn't believe how well it climbed compared to my fatty, which I thought did a great job on the hills. What really hooked my interest was how fresh I felt after a 2 hour ride. My Kona was a rigid, which I didn't realize left me feeling shot after a ride of the same time and on the same trails, had me thinking maybe this would be a better choice of bike for me.
    I was sold on the 27.5+ frame after riding in absolute crap conditions for about 3 hours in Harriet Holister park in Canandaigua one night. In really wet/nasty conditions, the Mudwasp felt really secure, comfortable, and some how ready to keep riding after almost three hours. This ride is what prompted me to decide to sell my Kona and commit to a 27.5+. My experience is that these are well-thought out bikes. Solid components, small company mindset, and for the price, you couldn't build a bike on your own. I'll get mine this week and can't wait to get back on it.

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    Andy!

    Thanks for jumping on and giving your feedback on the bike. Andy's bikenis the Jolly Rancher green bike in the above photos.

    As everyone receives their bikes please jump on the forum and give your honest feedback on the bike, shipping, customer service and any other aspect of purchasing and owning a Growler Bike that you believe others would like to hear about.

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    Hi everyone, I don't own a Growler Performance Fat Bike, but Wheels let me test one out for a few days, so I can provide some thoughts / feedback...

    Being a factory direct bike, you get a lot for your money. The frame is hydroformed aluminum with internal cable routing. Itís produced by Kinesis manufacturing in Taiwan, and for those that donít know, Kinesis is an experienced frame manufacturer in the bike industry. They produce, or have produced, frames for mainstream bike companies like GT, Jamis, Raleigh, Kona, Felt, and Diamondback, to name a few. As a result, Growler is confident enough to offer a 5 year guarantee on their frames. The model I tested (Mr. Big Stuff) came with a Rock Shox Bluto fork, SunRingle Mulefut 80sl tubeless wheels, Magura MT5 dual piston brakes, Race Face Turbine crank & chainring, SRAM GX1 11 speed shifter and derailleur, Surly Bud & Lou 4.8 tires, FSA Carbon 750mm handlebar, carbon seatpost, WTB Volt saddle, and a SRAM 10-42 cassette. This winter setup weighed in at 32 pounds on my scale, but with a rigid fork and different tires it would be easy to get into the sub 30 pound range, which is more than respectable for this price range.

    On the trail this bike was fun to ride. The geometry was great, putting the rider into a neutral position that was good for both climbing and descending. Shifting was spot on in every gear, and the chainguide was a nice touch. I found it to be quite maneuverable despite the big knobby 4.8 tires, and can imagine that with different tires and a dropper post this bike would be a blast in every season. That said, this bike is compatible with both 27.5+ and 29+ wheelsets, so in addition to fun, itís also versatile.

    If you can get over the fact that this is not a "name brand" bike, and that the paint job might not be the most durable, what you get is a quality frame with many customizable options for a terrific price! And, as many of you can tell from his posts, Wheels is a solid guy that will bend over backward to answer your questions honestly and will go out of his way to give you a positive buying experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    Hi tm3!

    We do not have any perfessional reviews of our bikes. To be honest I am hesitant to do so as many of the reviewers wanted to be paid for the reviews. It's hard to get honest good and bad reviews of a product when we are paying them big bucks. I have reach out to anyone who has spent a fare amount of time in the saddle on our demo bikes and asked them to jump on here to offer their honest opinions of our bike. Hopefully as customers bikes arrrive they will give their unsolicited opinions. I would rather my customers know what they are really buying then read a bunch of fluff in magazine.

    Wheels!
    The customization of these bikes is great, and thanks for answering all the questions, Wheels! I'm curious if the frames have been tweaked at all from that of the Motobecane Sturgis/Nighttrain? I know you mentioned a process of making adjustments, but they look the same, and the geo appears the same. I've been riding that frame for a while, and the quality fit and finish is great, and really been digging it in all conditions over the past year.

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    Hi dayooper,

    Thanks for the input. That is a good catch that I haven't seen yet. I am not sure who manufacturers the Motobecane although they do look similar. It is possible that they are using a similar open source frame design as us with their own modifications to distinguish themselves from others. There appears to be a slight difference between the geometries in particular the head tube angle. We use the same head tube angle as the Mukluk which is 69į. We also have a couple of other items that I don't believe the Motobecane has which might be based on our customization of our open source frame. We have the chain guard, extra points to secure the brake cables, and the biggest is the Pannier mounts on the down tube. You don't see them in our photos but on the production bike they are there. I might order one of their frames just to see what they have going on.

    Our build kit is much different as well. We include the carbon bars and seat post, make the wheels fully tubeless, and finally the ridiculously overpowered Magura MT5 Brakes. We also offer the full paint customization to go along with it.

    With that being said I ran across a guy last year in a 24hr race that was running a Night Train and he raved about it. This guy had a few modification to it but it was a beautiful bike.

    Thanks for the input once again.

    Wheels!

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    Thanks very much Wheels! I didn't notice the HT angle difference. Yeah, you've got some nice builds, and love the custom paint. I think what you're doing is great...keep up the good work, and good luck to you!

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    Hey everyone, after about a month of brainstorming and no less that 48 emails back and forth between Wheels and myself. We have finally finished my design and I pulled the money trigger this morning to get it started. Wheels has been the most patient person to deal with my constant flip flopping of ideas. Do not hesitate to work with him on whatever you want. He bends over backwards for you and cares more about making the perfect build then he does just selling a bike. I am totally stoked for this build and if it looks like any of the other builds he has going on it will be amazing. Now I just have to be patient, that will be the hardest part for me.

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    Alright, So I finally got out on the new Mr. Big Stuff/Mudwasp today....

    Couldn't be happier. I felt faster on the descents and climbs. Fresher after 2 hours than I usually do, and (a little) upset that I had to leave to take my daughter to meet Santa.
    In all honesty, this was as refreshing of a ride as I could've hoped for. The bike maneuvered really sharply, it felt almost effortless at times with the climbing, and was just a lot of fun to ride. Please, if you're considering a new fat bike, give Growler a chance. Wheels builds a hell of a bike at a great price.

    Andy

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    Was out at Dryer park in Victor, NY Saturday for a Global Fat Bike day ride. Growler was there and offered up a fat bike for me to ride. So I rode it for the duration of about 2+ hours and traveled about 9 miles. I am not a fan of jumping on an unknown bike and riding for any amount of time but I will have to say I was very impressed. The bike is lightweight, handles extremely well and is very well balanced. Couldn't be more impressed with the Growler guys also. They offered up demos throughout the day and answered questions. It sounds like they are willing to take the time to be sure their customers get a bike setup exactly how they want it. I am not just saying that because they provided free beer and hot dogs at the event. If you haven't checked them out yet, I would highly recommend it! Nice work Wheels.

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    Which bike did you take out?

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    Good Question. I was trying to recall but sorry I can't. Wheels should be able to let you know. It was a white size medium with rigid fork. They swapped out some skinny tires and put fat on there for me.

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    You had the mudwasp. That frame is interchangeable with the fat tires. That's what got but with the bluto fork. Mine was the green one on display.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoEpiscopo View Post
    Which bike did you take out?
    Hi Everyone,

    JMunger took the Growler Mr. Big Stuff. It was setup originally as a Mudwap(27.5+). With the quick swap of the wheelsets he was off and running on a fatty.

    How was your Growler Mr. Big Stuff Saturday?

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    Good to know. Thanks WoEpiscopo. One thing I failed to mention is that we had 8 guys from the Oneida area in our group. Everyone was very impressed. Looking forward to seeing Growler out towards Oneida in January.

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    Bout to pull the trigger on a MB Sturgis Bullet ... convince me otherwise?

    Howdy GrowlerBikes / Wheels!

    I'm really stoked (er, bummed) that I happened upon this thread. I OP'd a thread just yesterday about my re-entry into the MTB fray. Once I get over my commitment level, I think I'm going to get something ordered (soon).

    The last MTB I owned was a Rockhopper (18 years ago) from a buddy of mine. He paid in excess of $1K for and I got for "a song and dance." That bike was stolen about 10 years ago and I've been too busy being a good little tax-paying citizen to replace it. Well, my boys are old enough now to tear-up some trails and we're going to tear it up with manpower rather than horsepower (I grew up riding dirt bikes too.)

    Anyway, I had settled my 'top of the wallet' choices down to the Framed MN 3.0 (w/Bluto) and the BD, Motobecane Sturgis Bullet (w/Bluto). I sure have learned a lot in the last couple of months concerning the incredible variances in component quality of these bikes. Certainly the Mr. Big Stuff (w/Bluto) is worth very penny you ask...but takes me $400 out of my self-assigned "comfort zone."

    That being said, based on the clear upgrades on the MBS (over the Bullet)...again, your price seems quite competitive. And with that long-winded intro ...I have some questions ferya.

    The one thing that has concerned me about the mail-order bikes is the oft-repeated comment that purchasers typically feel it necessary to tear-down much of the bike for re-lubing, setting of correct torque-spec, etc.
    • Can you comment on your delivery quality?
    • Can I expect to receive the bike, install the front wheel/tire, adjust the seat height...and hit the trails?
    • Since you assemble the bikes here (and they haven't just arrived in a box from an Asian freighter) ...I assume the assembly quality is much higher?



    Since I had capped myself at $1500, reaching out to $1900 is tough (but doable & justified if I'm ready to commit to being a regular rider). Then I see that I have to absorb another $150 in shipping costs. Ouch.

    • Why so high?
    • From date of order, what is the average delivery time?


    I might as well be considered "a newb." I've ridden something on two wheels my whole life; however, it has been quite a while since I donned a leg-powered roller. While I would never expect you (GrowlerBikes) to tell me "No" ...perhaps this question is for other members of the forum

    ....is the MBS "too much bike" for me to dive back into riding MTB?

    How long as Growler Bikes been around? I don't see anything on the website about how long you've been in business.

    I appreciate any and all candid answers. Thank you in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grimacetimus View Post
    Howdy GrowlerBikes / Wheels!

    I'm really stoked (er, bummed) that I happened upon this thread. I OP'd a thread just yesterday about my re-entry into the MTB fray. Once I get over my commitment level, I think I'm going to get something ordered (soon).

    The last MTB I owned was a Rockhopper (18 years ago) from a buddy of mine. He paid in excess of $1K for and I got for "a song and dance." That bike was stolen about 10 years ago and I've been too busy being a good little tax-paying citizen to replace it. Well, my boys are old enough now to tear-up some trails and we're going to tear it up with manpower rather than horsepower (I grew up riding dirt bikes too.)

    Anyway, I had settled my 'top of the wallet' choices down to the Framed MN 3.0 (w/Bluto) and the BD, Motobecane Sturgis Bullet (w/Bluto). I sure have learned a lot in the last couple of months concerning the incredible variances in component quality of these bikes. Certainly the Mr. Big Stuff (w/Bluto) is worth very penny you ask...but takes me $400 out of my self-assigned "comfort zone."

    That being said, based on the clear upgrades on the MBS (over the Bullet)...again, your price seems quite competitive. And with that long-winded intro ...I have some questions ferya.

    The one thing that has concerned me about the mail-order bikes is the oft-repeated comment that purchasers typically feel it necessary to tear-down much of the bike for re-lubing, setting of correct torque-spec, etc.
    • Can you comment on your delivery quality?
    • Can I expect to receive the bike, install the front wheel/tire, adjust the seat height...and hit the trails?
    • Since you assemble the bikes here (and they haven't just arrived in a box from an Asian freighter) ...I assume the assembly quality is much higher?



    Since I had capped myself at $1500, reaching out to $1900 is tough (but doable & justified if I'm ready to commit to being a regular rider). Then I see that I have to absorb another $150 in shipping costs. Ouch.

    • Why so high?
    • From date of order, what is the average delivery time?


    I might as well be considered "a newb." I've ridden something on two wheels my whole life; however, it has been quite a while since I donned a leg-powered roller. While I would never expect you (GrowlerBikes) to tell me "No" ...perhaps this question is for other members of the forum

    ....is the MBS "too much bike" for me to dive back into riding MTB?

    How long as Growler Bikes been around? I don't see anything on the website about how long you've been in business.

    I appreciate any and all candid answers. Thank you in advance.
    Hi Grimacetimus!

    I will start at the top and answer the questions in order but in reality this is just one solid answer.

    Shipping Quality: We use FedEx for all of our deliveries. We quote 5 days for shipping but usually arrives within 4 days of notification unless it is traveling to Alaska or outside of the United States. You will be given the tracking number so that you can follow along with your shipment and you will be notified if there are any delays via FedEx.

    Bike assembly upon delivery: This was an important aspect for us. We had a special box designed so that we can deliver our bikes completely built and needing no adjustments. When you receive your bike you will pull the bike out of the box, attach the front tire with thru axle, insert seat, and off you ride. Nothing more is needed. The handlebars and stem are completely assembled and torqued to manufacturers specs.

    Assembled in Farmington NY: You are absolutely correct. Our bikes are built from scratch to each customers specific request. That includes the hand built wheels. Once our customers decide on the custom powder coat and label colors the bicycles head to the paint shop and wheels off to the wheels builder. Once paint has been completed the bicycles will head over to the warehouse where the bicycle will be assembled and tuned by hand and to manufacturer specs. The benefit is that the bike will be delivered ready to ride right out of the box.

    Shipping: Our cost of shipping is $150 because of the way we deliver the bicycle. Our box is huge and allows us to ship the bike completely assembled and tuned ready to ride. This eliminates the need for our customers to either build up and tune the bike themselves or worst pay someone else to do so.

    Shipping Time: We estimate 10 business days to custom build your brand new Growler Performance Fat Bike from ground up. Shipping is estimated at 5 days. Times will usually be a day or two faster.

    We launched Growler Performance Fat Bikes this year. As with any company it will take time to get the word out but as you will see there has been good feed back about not only working with us but our bike quality and performance. I always encouraged anyone who has purchased a Growler Performance Fat Bike to join the forum and give their honest opinion of their interactions with Growler. I strive to make this experience as personal as I possibly can. 90% of the time when you decide to purchase a Growler Mr. Big Stuff you will be in contact with me. I will work with you on your personal color concepts and logo designs. Throughout the process I always send photos of the bike after paint, during the build and prior to shipping. I want you to have the opportunity to watch your bike being created. Also if there is something that you would like to have changed we can make that happen on the fly.

    As to how much of a bike a person needs is really up to what the rider's end goals are. The idea to the Growler bikes are that we have already made the upgrades that many riders do after they buy their bikes. Our bikes will be delivered tubeless so that you don't have to pay to have it done afterwards. We have also already upgraded your handlebars and seat post to carbon fiber and put the most powerful 4 piston hydraulic brakes we could find on the bike. The color is custom done for each customer so you will basically have a one off bike with high quality components at a reasonable price. Then we back all this up with a 5 year manufactures warranty on the frame.

    Hopefully this answered all of your questions. Please feel free to post again or you can email me directly at info@growlerbikes.com. I hope to hear from you soon.

    Wheels!

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    Growler,

    Thank you very much for the feedback. I've got some ponderin' to do on this. Ultimately, it might boil down to how much I can get my boys into the sport. I've just bought them some "better-than-wallyworld" bikes ...but still went pretty cheap since they are certainly more flaky than I about their hobbies (if that can be imagined). If they jump on their new bikes X-mas day and I have to peel them off to come play video games (LOL ...not likely...but if they ride a significant amount of time, it will be telling), I'll probably order something for myself the week after X-mas.

    There was one question I forgot to ask ...and it is probably more of a generic question. I see there are wildly varying opinions about going 1x10 or 2x10 (or x11). I notice that your MBS is a 1x. I understand some of the justification for the 1x (for snow / mud reasons) ...but most of the bikes I had settled in on prior to discovering the Growler MBS are all 2x10s.

    Can anyone shed more light on which would be best for me? I will have a mix of desert riding, single-tracks and some higher-elevation two-tracks. I live in Arizona so the riding opportunities are many and varied. While I might grin playing in some mud, I'm not likely to play in the snow too much (but who knows...if I can keep my desert-rat kids warm enough, we might ride in the snow.)

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    Grimacetimus,

    To get the kids involved in the sport it is always a good idea to find them a league to join or someone to coach them like the guys we have here locally called "Singletrack Academy" They teach the kids how to properly ride and in turn the kids enjoy the activity much more. I also like to go out to the races or pathetically actually race. My favorite is a 24hr race that we do locally. It is fun to have family and friends camped out sharing the sport that you love.

    As for the buying "better than wallyfworld" bikes. That was a smart idea until you know for sure how much interest they will have. The good news is that even if they don't jump on the trail with you every week they will still get a lot of use out of the better quality bike just tooling around the neighborhood with their friends. Also take a look at your local Meetup groups. I bet you will find guys just like yourself who just need a riding partner. I have met many great people just by joining the local fat bike Meetup.

    I run across the 1x vs 2x debate a lot. There are many benefits to using a 1x. First, you will lose about a pound of weight off of the bike. Personally this isn't as big of an issue as people make weight out to be but your bike will be lighter. If you are trying to make a fat bike lighter the most important aspect is the rotational weight of the wheels. Going tubeless has a huge effect on performance. Your bike will feel more lively. Move the wheels to carbon fiber and the bike turns into something completely different. We have been testing the carbon wheels and oh boy to they make a difference. Even more so then moving to a carbon frame. Secondly, you have less mechanical issues that may arise by removing the 2x and would reduce maintenance cost overall.

    Your decision comes down to two basic questions you have to ask yourself.

    1) Does the terrain I ride force me to use my smallest gear currently for many of my climbs? If it does then you have two choices. you could go 2x or you can adjust your front chainring from the standard 32t to a 30t or even a 28t. We set up bikes this way often. This would make the bike easier to push on a steep climb. The negative effect of a smaller chainring would be that your top end speed would be reduced. I have only found this to be an issue on the road going down hill.

    2) Is my conditioning strong enough to use a standard 1x11? This goes hand in hand with question number 1. You can modify the gearing relatively easily and we can set up the gearing to your liking before we send you the bike. Conditioning is an interesting animal. I find that most riders will adapt to the setup they have. If you use a 2x you will most likely always use the available gearing and the same would go for a 1x. If you chose 1x then you would adapt to the gear range that you have available.

    Lastly, you stated that you are wanting to get back into mountain biking. One of the most underrated things that I have noticed is how much more stable a fat bike or even a plus bike is compared to the traditional 29ers. Although 29ers will always be more nimble that is not always a good thing for a new rider. Nimble can often feel loose. The wider tires give a smoother more controlled platform. I find fatty riders rolling over obstacles easier as the tires spread over the trail and eat up rock gardens and roots. You will notice that you will slip a lot less. The same thing goes for climbing. A fat bike allows you to move your position over the handlebars farther while you are standing without losing traction. Add in more braking power as well. Especially when your using the Magura MT5 4 piston brakes with 180/180 rotors and the larger contact pad of the fatty tires and you have some serious stopping power. Lastly it is just a blast to see the fat ol tire out in front while you are crushing the trail.

    Hopefully someone else will chime in with their opinions as well. I try to give my personal experiences and not the company sales line but that does come out here and there.

    Wheels!

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    Grimacetimus,

    My Kona Wo was a 2x10 XT drivetrain. I liked how it climbed and how well it cruised. But sometimes I felt short on some of the really steep/long climbs or like I couldn't keep up on some of the faster trails (might have also been because I was riding 5"x4" tires all summer long too), but looking back, I was moving slower than a lot of the guys I was riding with.
    Going with the SRAM GX drivetrain, climbs are just a little bit easier than they were before, and having the quick access to whatever gear I want/need is really helpful. Most new bikes, especially higher-end set-ups are coming out with well well-designed 1x drivetrains, and that's what Wheels has on the growlers. It's a comfortable set up and really offers a lot of range that you can't get out of of a 2x set up. That and your clearance for obstacles increases with only one chainring. These are my two cents, I'm still new to the 1x set up but I love it already.

    Andy

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    Loving all the feedback on here folks ... thank you very much.

    Wheels ...

    1) I live in the Arizona Desert (Phoenix metro area). Truth is my riding is bound to be quite diverse. When I have both boys with me, we'll probably stay on the flats quite a bit with maybe just some rolling dry lake bed type stuff. When I venture out with my older boy, or perhaps by myself, I plan on some more challenging (but far from pro-level) rides. Could be a fair bit of climbing. The Usery Pass trail I want to tackle has 1500' of elevation change I believe ...thru thick desert landscape.

    2) I am decidedly out-of-shape. Part of my motivation is losing some weight / reconditioning. I'm a 45-year-old that is no less than 40# over my ideal weight. I'd like to lose even more than that, but 40# is the goal. So, I might need a more "granny" gearing in the beginning than 6mo - a year from now.

    WoEpiscopo ...thank you very much for the that. If I don't go with the Growler for some reason (which would be to spend less) ... it'll be tough to find a bike that isn't 2x9 or 2x10.

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    Grimacetimu,

    With that answer I think you know what your needs are. A 2x would be the right starting point for your capabilities. We do offer the SRAM GX 2x11 setup at no additional charge. The Raceface Turbine Cinch crankset that we offer can be easily converted back to a 1x by a LBS or you if you have the correct tools in under 15 minutes if you decide later that you no longer need the 2x. All you would need to purchase at that time is the appropriate chainring which run $40-$50. If you choose us or another bike company I think you know what you need to fit your riding style and physical condition. Getting the right equipment is half the challenge.

    Wheels!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    Grimacetimu,

    With that answer I think you know what your needs are. A 2x would be the right starting point for your capabilities. We do offer the SRAM GX 2x11 setup at no additional charge. The Raceface Turbine Cinch crankset that we offer can be easily converted back to a 1x by a LBS or you if you have the correct tools in under 15 minutes if you decide later that you no longer need the 2x. All you would need to purchase at that time is the appropriate chainring which run $40-$50. If you choose us or another bike company I think you know what you need to fit your riding style and physical condition. Getting the right equipment is half the challenge.

    Wheels!
    Thanks Wheels ... I've some thunkin' to do.

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    Hey one last thing to consider is this:

    My first mountain bike was a 29er from Bikes direct. Not a bad starter bike, but after about 6 months, I found myself wanting to upgrade components like shifters, tires, grips, etc. I then bought my Kona and thought I was set. Wrong. I again found myself not just wanting upgrades, but doing upgrades. I replaced my entire rear drive train, tires (plus a tubeless setup), brakes, and a few other things. I spent almost as much on the bike and upgrades as my Growler cost. Keep that in mind, as you ride, you'll find yourself wanting some nicer stuff eventually. And though you might save up-front, you'll more than likely end up spending as much if not even more eventually on better components. That's what I've learned in my time riding thee past few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grimacetimus View Post
    Thanks Wheels ... I've some thunkin' to do.
    IMO, since you are saying that you are >40 y.o., 40# overweight, and out of shape, one of the most important considerations for you is to get a bike with low enough gearing. If you blow your knees pushing too high of a gear you are not going to be happy. I'd shoot for a granny gear (lowest low gear) below 20 inches. Then after you get your new bike you want to be careful in setting the seat position correctly, especially the height.

    I understand setting a budget. I will add however that buying higher quality components is actually cheaper in the long run, and the satisfaction of having and using higher end stuff can be a motivator for getting out on the trail and putting in the miles.

    Good luck with your pick -- you are going to have a lot of fun!

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    Just wanted to let everyone know working with Willo is awesome. He is very responsive to questions and is dedicated to providing outstanding customer service. I knew from his first email reply to me, I would be purchasing my fat bike from him. Now I just have to choose a color...

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    Grimace,
    I agree - there are quite a few significant upgrades on the Growler bikes over BH/Framed - if you price them all out you be well over 2$ once you upgrade those bikes... I too am a recent entry/returner to MTB stuff and spent $1500 on a Trek - great bike IMO and well worth it. I think the extra $400-$600 on a Growler will likely be well worth it.
    I plan to grow from 2X to 1X on my next purchase but the 2X was a good place to start for someone who hadn't stood over pedals for 20 years....
    Good luck!

    (and yeah, IMO, DEFINITELY go for Growler over the similar Framed/BD bikes)
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    After three days on my new Growler I have to say I am thoroughly impressed with Willo and his bikes!
    The whole process was super easy with fantastic communication; any question or concern and he was there right away to help out.
    I will let the components and ability to get a custom paint job speak for themselves; the rides have been awesome with a bunch of little girl giggles along the snowy trails here in CO.
    The bike is fast, nimble, and a heck of a lot more fun than a few other fatties I have taken for a spin.
    Job well done Willo; I cannot wait to see what Growler becomes!

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    Well...

    ...I'm gonna do it! Just sent my email to Willo declaring my intent to get a new Growler Mr. Big Stuff (with Bluto). It's been a "long, windy trail" getting to this decision point and I am stoked, stoked, stoked. It's the holidays and I'm laying this on him right before the jingle-jingle, but maybe I can be trailbound no later than mid-Jan. C'mon 2017!!! Let's get my arse in shape and put on some (s)miles!


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    Grim,

    Very cool and congrats, although the hard part is now here, the waiting. And I even have a longer wait as I am overseas and won't be back till June, ugh it's killing me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by op71 View Post
    Grim,

    Very cool and congrats, although the hard part is now here, the waiting. And I even have a longer wait as I am overseas and won't be back till June, ugh it's killing me.
    op71,

    I just ordered your Ammo Box panniers and your bike headed to the paint shop for the custom OD green and yellow logos. I will send you some pics when it is completed. Until then be safe over there.

    Wheels!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    op71,

    I just ordered your Ammo Box panniers and your bike headed to the paint shop for the custom OD green and yellow logos. I will send you some pics when it is completed. Until then be safe over there.

    Wheels!
    Now I have GOT to see that when it's finished!!! Sounds fugawesome!

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    I've gotta say, after researching bikes for the last couple months due to being on disability for a surgery(I've got the time lol), I'm really interested in these Growler Performance bikes. I have a problem buying things, usually cars, that I'll buy and then continue to modify till I eventually either get sick of when I'm done or regret spending all the money on. With these bikes its literally buy it and ride it. I don't have to go tubeless or replace all the boat anchor parts. These are at the end of my pricepoint, but I really wont have to do anything to it. For the same money I could buy an Alaskan Alloy with a similar build, but with lesser wheels being the biggest difference. May pull the trigger on one of these in the new year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman39 View Post
    I've gotta say, after researching bikes for the last couple months due to being on disability for a surgery(I've got the time lol), I'm really interested in these Growler Performance bikes. I have a problem buying things, usually cars, that I'll buy and then continue to modify till I eventually either get sick of when I'm done or regret spending all the money on. With these bikes its literally buy it and ride it. I don't have to go tubeless or replace all the boat anchor parts. These are at the end of my pricepoint, but I really wont have to do anything to it. For the same money I could buy an Alaskan Alloy with a similar build, but with lesser wheels being the biggest difference. May pull the trigger on one of these in the new year
    Iceman39,

    I compared the Alaskan alloy to the Growler very extensively. You're right, the pricing is similar, but the Growler comes with the carbon bars, carbon seat tube, and decidedly better wheelset (that comes tubeless). I think the Framed came in at ~$1900 shipped, but the upgrades are worth $130-$170, so the price point is very similar. Throw in some other bonuses...

    1. Custom colors*
    2. Front wheel install and ride. Getting a 80-90% bike didn't worry me, but when I took stock of my current "To-do" list, the 99.5% install almost became a deal-maker for me. So now, it can just hang on the workstand for 2-week tune & pre-ride inspections.
    3. Willo (Weye-low)-What a cool dude. I can honestly say that I've never made a purchase quite like this one. Great experience and made a friend in the process. **


    * From my understanding, the color pallete on his website isn't exhaustive either (could be some small upcharge for non-standard color...don't know.)

    ** I come from a family that ran Mom & Pop boat and motorcycle businesses for 60+ years in a small city (pop. 50K). We all wrenched and we all sold. Willo's dedication to detail and getting you the bike you need/want is exactly the way we handled customer's in our small town. It's something we've all probably experienced, but it was really cool to get that in an online purchase. Back at "Lee's Motorcycles" and "Lee's Capitol Boat Sales" ...like Willo, we built a community of enthusiasts and it was beer:30 everyday at closing (which was usually the busiest time of the day for obvious reasons The only thing then really missing from my experience with Growler / Willo is the beer (but I reckon that day will eventually come.)

    Everyone have a happy & safe holidays.

    (Remember ...we have bikes & things like Uber/Lyft. Keep it safe out there compadres!)

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    Hey Willo,

    Great to see a local company doing well, I know well how challenging running a small business is ...especially in NY Good luck to you guys !
    That being said, I was wondering if you'd answer a couple questions for me ?

    1. What is the rigid for offering for the fatbike ? I didn't see it on the website...my bad if I missed it.

    2. Any plans to offer a carbon version of the Mr. Big Stuff in the future ?

    I went with the Framed Minnesota option a couple years ago....it's a great bike but probably not something I care to spend a lot to upgrade- so as things wear out I'll be looking to replace it ( one more season maybe )

    Merry Christmas everyone !

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyxcracer View Post
    Hey Willo,

    Great to see a local company doing well, I know well how challenging running a small business is ...especially in NY Good luck to you guys !
    That being said, I was wondering if you'd answer a couple questions for me ?

    1. What is the rigid for offering for the fatbike ? I didn't see it on the website...my bad if I missed it.

    2. Any plans to offer a carbon version of the Mr. Big Stuff in the future ?

    I went with the Framed Minnesota option a couple years ago....it's a great bike but probably not something I care to spend a lot to upgrade- so as things wear out I'll be looking to replace it ( one more season maybe )

    Merry Christmas everyone !
    nyxcracer,

    1. All of Willo's Growlers are offered as rigid-fork bikes. The Bluto is a $300 upgrade (pretty generous since they're hard to find new for less than $500).

    2. Growler Bikes has the E'Ville (that is carbon) but I think it's a 27.5+ FS bike.

    Can't wait to get my new Mr. Big Stuff!!

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    Hi nyxcracer & Iceman39!

    Sorry I didn't respond as fast as grimacetimus. Usually the forum alerts me when there are new post. For some reason it only alerted me when Grimacetimus responded the second time. Grimacetimus is the Growler community at its best. Thank you Grimacetimus for filling in for me buddy when I wasn't checking in on the forum. I promise when I get out to AZ I am taking you out for a beer or two.

    Grimacetimus and I have had many conversations over the past two weeks and he is exactly correct in everything he stated.

    Iceman - Grimacetimus responded to your post better then I could ever have because he had the opportunity to build his bike from your perspective. An interesting thing that might apply to you coming back from surgery and getting back on the bike after a hiatus would be exactly what we ordered for Grimacetimus. In his setup we gave him the largest gearing ratio possible. We set him up with the SRAM GX 2x11 running a 22/34 up front and a 11-42 in the rear. Depending on your terrain and usage this may be a very helpful way to get back in the saddle without over straining your abilities. And just as I suggested to Grimacetimus as you get stronger the Raceface Turbine Cinch crankset that we use is very easy to convert to a 1x11 if you ever want to. Also since you have some extra time on your hands I would recommend checking out the color lab on our website. Growler Fat Bikes. If you have a concept in your mind shot me an email and I will toss it into our programing and send your a couple drawings.

    nyxcracer - Once again Grimacetimus crushed it on the answers.
    1) We offer three fork options on our website.
    -Growler Mr. Big Stuff with the Growler Aluminum fork for $1600. 29lbs
    -The Growler Mr. Big Stuff with a Wren Carbon Fork is $1900. 28lbs
    -The Growler Mr. Big Stuff with a Rockshox Bluto 100mm suspension fork is $1900. 30lbs

    2) We are prototyping a new Carbon Fiber Fat Bike frame that will be available in next years lineup. It will run the exact same build options as the Growler Mr. Big Stuff.

    If you have any questions please feel free to post them here or you can email me at info@growlerbikes.com

    Thanks again grimacetimus for all the help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlerBikes View Post
    Thanks again grimacetimus for all the help!
    You're welcome ...and forgive me for butting-in.

    I see folks talkin' about Growler Bikes and I'm just like...

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    Thanks Grimacetimus and Wheels for your replies. You've given me better first hand information than I could have hoped to find elsewhere. Buying a Growler feels like a no brainer to me simply because I couldn't build something better for the price in my opinion. And this bike will show up at my door essentially ready to ride!

    I had wrist surgery for a torn ligament in my wrist. Work with my hands for 20 years with no big injuries and then I got into Spartan Races. I figure I'll be safer on two wheels. Been more of a runner in recent years, and really looking forward to pedaling more.

    Wheels, I've already been checking out the color lab, which is just awesome. After this holiday craziness is over I'll be sending you an email with some ideas.

    Everyone have a great Holiday

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    I'm still a Growler lurker since the Growler is my first choice for my next fattie - but I haven't even bought one yet!
    Still, just noticed Wheels added this page to the Growler Bikes & Brews page: Growler Fat Bikes - folks are posting some cool pics of their bikes there.
    Of course if you're reading this here feel free to post your Growler pics in this thread or over at the fatbike pic of the day thread(s).

    Happy New Years all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhdPepper View Post
    I'm still a Growler lurker since the Growler is my first choice for my next fattie - but I haven't even bought one yet!
    Still, just noticed Wheels added this page to the Growler Bikes & Brews page: Growler Fat Bikes - folks are posting some cool pics of their bikes there.
    Of course if you're reading this here feel free to post your Growler pics in this thread or over at the fatbike pic of the day thread(s).

    Happy New Years all!
    I must have looked at those pics 20x in the last week.

    Can't wait to get mine ...hoping by the end of next week! Until then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoEpiscopo View Post
    Hey one last thing to consider is this:

    My first mountain bike was a 29er from Bikes direct. Not a bad starter bike, but after about 6 months, I found myself wanting to upgrade components like shifters, tires, grips, etc. I then bought my Kona and thought I was set. Wrong. I again found myself not just wanting upgrades, but doing upgrades. I replaced my entire rear drive train, tires (plus a tubeless setup), brakes, and a few other things. I spent almost as much on the bike and upgrades as my Growler cost. Keep that in mind, as you ride, you'll find yourself wanting some nicer stuff eventually. And though you might save up-front, you'll more than likely end up spending as much if not even more eventually on better components. That's what I've learned in my time riding thee past few years.
    WoEpiscopo;
    If you don't mind me asking, how are the 3.5" tires for the mudwasp? nimble? Also your thoughts on the 69 degree HA?

    Looking to buy a plus bike for summer riding.

    Thanks!!

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    SpartyinWI,

    I know you are looking for WoEpiscopo's opinion but I would like to toss out some thoughts. We have two bikes that use plus tires. The Mudwasp which uses a 3.5" and the E'Ville which uses the 3.0". If we could have put the 3.5" on the E'Ville we would have. The 3.5" Fat B Nimble roll equally fast and have very similar tread patterns. What I like about the 3.5" is that it gives you just a little more traction on the climbs yet really flies down the trail. It also has a slightly larger volume which is nice when the terrain gets brutal. I don't race very often but when I do I use the mud wasp setup because of how fast it really is. The other cool part is that if you every wanted to you could swap out for the 29+ for really technical rides or fatties for nasty late fall through early spring rides. I am not sure where you are from but I will take a stab at WI based on your user name.

    As for the 69į headtube angle. When you combine this bike with the overall geometry the headtube angle fits very nicely. At 27lbs the bike feels very responsive and nimble through the trails.

    Once again I know you were looking for WoEpiscopo's opinion but I thought I would still comment.

    Wheels!

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    Thanks Wheels,

    I wanted to also say that this bike with the 3.5" Fat B-Nimble tires climbed as well as any bike I've ever tried. I had my Kona set up really well for drawn-out climbs and even with the summer wheels on, I have the Mudwasp out on rainy-leaf covered trails for 2+ hours and had fewer slips than with my Kona. But set up now as a true fatty with a serious climinb tire in back, the only reason I dont make a climb is usually due to rider error/stupidity/laziness.

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