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    Quote Originally Posted by streetNslime View Post
    3/8" screws will puncture the casing per above information.
    Not a problem with Ghetto tubeless & Stans! The tips going into the casing, give extra bite, so it's not just the knob they are going into.

    I've never lost studs, but I try not to leave nothing to chance with my rig builds.

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    I have emailed with them, and they response it very soon.

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    Hi all, I came upon a selection of 1/4" (6.35mm) long screws that might work as studs in my Bud & Lou. Tread depth being 7mm, and im going tubed.

    I'm leaning towards these #8 x 1/4 hex heads:

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    Here is the entire selection of 8 different 1/4" long sheet metal screws.
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    Which would work best in your opinion? I think screws would work for me because there isn't that long of winter left and I'd like to take them out in the spring without taking off the tires etc...
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    Upon studying the dimension of the Grip Studs 1000... Which have major thread diameter of 6mm, quite big! And a shaft diameter of 2.7mm (under the threads)

    #8 screws are 4.2mm and 2.8mm so hopefully they work!

    8 x 1/4 Zinc-Plated Hex Sheet Metal Screw - Pkg 36

    I want to put some sort of glue on the threads before I screw them into the tire so they dont come out. Maybe rubber-like glue... silicone... any ideas?

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    Its getting closer to that time of year again, if anybody is interested in organizing a grip studs group buy, Im in for enough to stud a Bud and Nate

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    Bump....anyone? Anyone? I'm in.

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    The last couple of posts here from Retep are interesting and are something I might try.

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    if you search stainless grub screws cusp on ebay they are under $10 per 100 if you are willing to wait a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rth009 View Post
    Its getting closer to that time of year again, if anybody is interested in organizing a grip studs group buy, Im in for enough to stud a Bud and Nate
    Hi, I just found this thread about a group buy of #1000 tire studs I'm in for 200 pcs, are you still interested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kos F View Post
    Upon studying the dimension of the Grip Studs 1000... Which have major thread diameter of 6mm, quite big! And a shaft diameter of 2.7mm (under the threads)

    #8 screws are 4.2mm and 2.8mm so hopefully they work!

    8 x 1/4 Zinc-Plated Hex Sheet Metal Screw - Pkg 36

    I want to put some sort of glue on the threads before I screw them into the tire so they dont come out. Maybe rubber-like glue... silicone... any ideas?
    did this work?

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    Putting this here for future searches.
    These are m3x8 grub screws in a new Bud, they protrude about 1/16'
    I switched to m3x10 in the Lou which I like better.

    You can use a jewlers screwdriver to start a hole and to screw the grub screw in. (from the outside)

    I've been on a few rides with them so far and they seem to be holding.
    When testing on sheet ice you could break traction with the m3x8 without too much effort. The m3x10 are better.
    Time will tell long term results.
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    if you search stainless m3 grub screws cusp on ebay they are under $10 per 100 if you are willing to wait a bit.

    The last couple of posts here from Retep are interesting and are what got me started on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohfugit View Post
    if you search stainless m3 grub screws cusp on ebay they are under $10 per 100 if you are willing to wait a bit.
    Stainless is a soft metal, if you get plain steel or an alloy (black oxide) socket set screw it will last longer if you ever do pavement. They come in cone point, as well as half dog or full dog. Check fastenal or global industries or many others.

    Good to know the length you mentioned though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by k.b. View Post
    Stainless is a soft metal, if you get plain steel or an alloy (black oxide) socket set screw it will last longer if you ever do pavement. They come in cone point, as well as half dog or full dog. Check fastenal or global industries or many others.
    Good to know the length you mentioned though!
    I'm not a high milage pavement rider so it has not been an issue as they still look good.
    But imo the more experienced input on this sort of thing the better.

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    Just went for my first ride on a Bud with 60 Grip Studs front, Dillinger 4(1/2 season of use) out back. I rode hardpacked trails, glare ice(plowed lake), powder over glare ice and chunky, broken then refrozen ice. I had no slippage up front and honestly didn't notice any disparity in grip on ice between the two. Will compare them on the back within a week. I studded my front Bud like the op, offset. I studded a second one for eventual rear use in pairs, every other lug, 60 total. Ordered 150, the remaining 30 went into a couple of pairs of shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean salach View Post
    Just went for my first ride on a Bud with 60 Grip Studs front, Dillinger 4(1/2 season of use) out back. I rode hardpacked trails, glare ice(plowed lake), powder over glare ice and chunky, broken then refrozen ice. I had no slippage up front and honestly didn't notice any disparity in grip on ice between the two. Will compare them on the back within a week. I studded my front Bud like the op, offset. I studded a second one for eventual rear use in pairs, every other lug, 60 total. Ordered 150, the remaining 30 went into a couple of pairs of shoes.
    I Bought 160 grip studs for the Bud and Lou, ended up putting 60 in each tire and 20 on for each boot (Lake 303). We have gotten over 5' of snow in Massachusetts this year so haven't had the need for them yet. But once spring comes those packed trails will be icy for some time.

    I used the drill and these tires will be strictly for winter use. Will put 5" tires on her that are fast rolling for dirt in the summer, not sure which ones yet.

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    For occasional ice, I can't see needing more than 60 per tire. The weight increase is unnoticeable, the grip is hugely noticeable.

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    With standard Buds (no studs)... is higher or lower pressure better for ice?

    (edit: this is in questioning my choice to ride the Triple D race this weekend. Below is a recent photo they put up of trail conditions.)
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    Nothing but studs are going to keep your face off that ice if you are racing on it

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    What they said, and on a completely flat surface, the only way to not fall on your face without studs is super slow tip-toeing riding, but it takes such a little angle/camber to cause you to start sliding that it's usually not practical at all, way too dangerous to be out there without studs and don't even think about racing...
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    So...anyone want to do a group buy on grip studs this year?
    I just got a used moonlander with bud n lous...went out today and bailed 5 times on the ice. Luckily I didnt get too hurt....but it was alot of fun...lol.
    I definitely could use 200 of these but man...they are pricey!
    So hows this work? Whos in?

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    I'd be interested in participating. I just wrecked hard yesterday on my way to work. I'd say for 95% of the time I don't need studs but when you need them you need them. With all the rain we just got, conditions are going to be slick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kllrbee View Post
    So...anyone want to do a group buy on grip studs this year?
    I just got a used moonlander with bud n lous...went out today and bailed 5 times on the ice. Luckily I didnt get too hurt....but it was alot of fun...lol.
    I definitely could use 200 of these but man...they are pricey!
    So hows this work? Whos in?
    So HOW does this work?

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    thread carbide tire studs JX4*4 H12 on Aliexpress.com | Alibaba Group

    11 cents each.

    I don't know if these are a good fit for any bicycle application, so someone would have to decide that.

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    Thnx guys but I already got some off Ebay. Unfortunately, I need these quickly cuz I have a few races coming up.

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    As I continue my rehab from a Thanksgiving morning ride wrist break, I too ordered 200 grip studs from gripstud.com. planning to put most into Lou/Lou on my 2015 blackborow (some for shoes). I see lots of folks think about qty. 60 is fine. Can somebody please explain, show optimum placement for gripstuds in a Lou front and back. thanks much, btw, I plan to get 4.8 knards or Bud/knard come spring. Thanks!

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    My Ice Spiker Pro 29 tires have 361 studs each.

    I know they are expensive, which is why I have not done it, but 60 seems like way too few.

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    Here is my Lou tire with 100 Griptite studs. I went to the larger size 3000B and they worked great.




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    Quote Originally Posted by rsilvers View Post
    My Ice Spiker Pro 29 tires have 361 studs each.

    I know they are expensive, which is why I have not done it, but 60 seems like way too few.
    60 Gripstuds is not Ice Spiker level traction. Not even close. Ice Spikers grip better than any other stock option I'm aware of. Gripstuds, even only 60 of them, do grip very well. They stick out further from the tire than the studs in my Ice Spikers.

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    Thanks all for replys, Sean, using my recently purchased qty 200 grip studs, do you like basically installing them in the same spots/order as shown by Keleidopete? that seems to be optimum to me for a Lou/Lou. thanks much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbikenewbie View Post
    Thanks all for replys, Sean, using my recently purchased qty 200 grip studs, do you like basically installing them in the same spots/order as shown by Keleidopete? that seems to be optimum to me for a Lou/Lou. thanks much!
    If you're asking me, mine are in Buds, not Lous. That said, they're in a fairly similar position on the tire. I did pairs on the rear Bud, like he shows, and staggered them on the front.

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    I just finished installing 150 grip studs in my bud/Lou tires. I don't think these tires are the best for studding because the knobs are so soft and flexible. I blew out a couple of knobs on the back tire.

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    Surprisingly, if you get the studs in right though they won't come out. I thought I would have lost a few by now, but after two winters of use both the Bud and Lou have all their studs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paxfobiscum View Post
    So HOW does this work?
    anyone buying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADKMTNBIKER View Post
    anyone buying?
    I'm getting really close - just got to figure out how many I really want. Two Buds and a Lou to stud. Sinking normal studs in the wife's Snowshoe XL this afternoon. The last few storms through dumped piles of high moisture content snow - when it sets up, its gonna be slick as squid snot.
    I would advise not taking my advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ak-rider View Post
    I just finished installing 150 grip studs in my bud/Lou tires. I don't think these tires are the best for studding because the knobs are so soft and flexible. I blew out a couple of knobs on the back tire.
    I did not have this problem at all in 250 studs in Bud in Lou, just make sure you put the studs in the middle of the knob.

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    I bought the bit for use with a cordless drill and that worked okay. My biggest issue was the bit didn't hold the grip stud super tight or securely. The grip stud would sometimes wobble and if it got off center to would go in on an angle and blow out the knob. That happened to me two or three times on by rear tire. I ended up using the driver out of my 1/4 socket set to install a number of them manually. I think you get better control with the manual set up. But with the attachment on the driver I had some play at the bit.

    I think I'm going to order some more studs for my wife's bike and get the manual tool as well. From what I could tell in the photos, the bit is the same for cordless drill or manual driver. Their manual driver handle looks like it will be more solid and perhaps my existing bit was a little bit defective? So far I've not lost any studs but I've not been able to ride a lot due to snow conditions being too deep. They worked quite well on ice with around 75 in each tire.

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    I used the manual driver. I can see where you would not have as much control if you use a drill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ak-rider View Post
    I bought the bit for use with a cordless drill and that worked okay. My biggest issue was the bit didn't hold the grip stud super tight or securely. The grip stud would sometimes wobble and if it got off center to would go in on an angle and blow out the knob. That happened to me two or three times on by rear tire. I ended up using the driver out of my 1/4 socket set to install a number of them manually. I think you get better control with the manual set up. But with the attachment on the driver I had some play at the bit.

    I think I'm going to order some more studs for my wife's bike and get the manual tool as well. From what I could tell in the photos, the bit is the same for cordless drill or manual driver. Their manual driver handle looks like it will be more solid and perhaps my existing bit was a little bit defective? So far I've not lost any studs but I've not been able to ride a lot due to snow conditions being too deep. They worked quite well on ice with around 75 in each tire.
    If you are in the girdwood/anchorage area I have the manual tool that you can borrow to stud your wife's bike.
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    I switched from the drill to the manual method after having several studs take a bad angle and blow out the side of the knob. I had much better control putting them in manually. I used the drill to remove studs from a Nate. The drill works much faster for removal!
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    Quote Originally Posted by farleybob View Post
    I switched from the drill to the manual method after having several studs take a bad angle and blow out the side of the knob. I had much better control putting them in manually. I used the drill to remove studs from a Nate. The drill works much faster for removal!
    hey guys, I put 78 grip studs per Lou in both front and rear for blackborow with manual tool, took about 2.5 hours, placement was similar to above, two rows each tire, in between center knobs row and outside knobs. I thought the manual tool was easy to use and very controlled. Took a quick ride on asphalt and crushed limestone (no snow in northern illinois currently) after getting used to the "clicking" noise, seemed to ride pretty normal. thanks for all the input guys!

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    Wow I just looked back and found that I started this thread in late 2012. I continue to use the original 100 studs and have lost none. I have had them out of the tires and put back in three times and continue to have no desire for more than my current stud count. I love the confidence the studs provide and I still think they are way over priced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Co-opski View Post
    If you are in the girdwood/anchorage area I have the manual tool that you can borrow to stud your wife's bike.
    Thanks for the offer but I'm 300 miles away.

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    Gripstud patterns I used in my Bud's and Lou's. Second season rolling on these with studs, lots of asphalt time, haven't lost a one or torn a lug.
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    ^^^ What's the stud count on that pattern? Looks good, not excessively heavy.
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    Thanks, watermonkey, that's a huge help!

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    I know most everyone has been reporting that they never lose a stud, but I lost 3 last season and this season I've already lost 10 in only 8 rides or so (I think in total I've lost 4 out of the front and 9 out of the back). I run 60 front, 30 rear in Bud/Bud, but the terrain around here (Front Range of Colorado) has a lot of rocks.

    I think I've lost a ton recently because of powder on top of rocks (mostly 4-8" or so), so as you're pedaling to go anywhere the tire is slipping and the studs are the first thing to catch on the rocks. I have the studs buried a bit deeper than most of the pics in this thread too. I check after rides and I've found several studs partway out, and I've also found that re-using the exact same spot where I've lost a stud definitely increases the chance the new one will disappear.

    I have very minimal studs (they definitely slip on steeper ice or if you accelerate too hard), so that could be another factor. Bigger gaps between studs means that the tire accelerates more before the next stud hits a rock if I'm spinning in snow up a steep rocky trail.

    Despite the insane price I love them, I definitely would have wiped out a bunch of times on icy patches in trees and broken my arm (or my neck!) - but next time I'd get more since I'm now missing 3 and I'm out since I only got 100 to begin with. Perfect for occasional ice patches on trails, but I would definitely want a lot more for aggressive ice riding.

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    Do the Grip Studs add much rolling resistance or affect handling on pavement?

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    [QUOTE=fatbikenewbie;12441615]As I continue my rehab from a Thanksgiving morning ride wrist break, I too ordered 200 grip studs from gripstud.com. planning to put most into Lou/Lou on my 2015 blackborow (some for shoes). I see lots of folks think about qty. 60 is fine. Can somebody please explain, show optimum placement for gripstuds in a Lou front and back. thanks much, btw, I plan to get 4.8 knards or Bud/knard come spring. Thanks![/QUOTE

    Are you guys using the #1000 studs?

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    Thanks for all the input, just got Bud/Lou for my FatBoy, just ordered grip studs so may i see the 60/40 pattern pics, if that is enough i will sell my 150 excess(Mtl. Qc)
    This is for winter only, hardtail 29 other months.

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