Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 101 to 200 of 341
  1. #101
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    304
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    Well, my bullseye monster has stood up to 2000 fairly abusive miles and has been perfect.

    As for suspended fatbikes, I made the mistake of riding a foes mutz yesterday. I never want to ride any of my bikes again.
    Oh noes. I've been eyeing that myself for a while too, it looks absolutely amazing. But the price!!! And glad to hear things have been sorted out by BD

  2. #102
    mtbr member
    Reputation: blowery's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Posts
    249
    Quote Originally Posted by dmars3571 View Post
    I have not heard the news of a 2nd busted swingarm. Was the breakage similar to Dirtdawgs?

    Sorry, I meant to say: 1st:, 2nd: as in a list, not in 2 busted swing arms.

  3. #103
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    140
    This is a real bummer. I've had a Quigley in my shopping cart for some time and have come oh-so-close to pulling the trigger.

    I'm kind of glad I waited until this gets sorted.

  4. #104
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    1,954
    Quote Originally Posted by Destr0 View Post
    Part of the problem with the response here is this is the first Quigley to get a review and it cracked. There are quite a few Bucksaws in the wild and only one failure that we are aware of. Now if the other Gravity bikes do not share the same fate then it is a fluke - right now the jury is still out on that one.
    True. I am a bit surprised as bd, nashbar, forte, etc frames tend to just be heavy and overbuilt. Lasting too long is usually the issue.
    It's also funny that this thread is currently 3 spots below the salsa mukluk fork recall thread.

  5. #105
    Pedal through the Pain
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    82
    And that was that. Unfortunately, this will be my last review on the Quigley. I loved it while it lasted and it was working so well until about the 50 mile mark. I don't know why, but I am so disappointed that it failed. Today was absolutely one of the most fun days I have had on a bike in a long time as I was just letting the Quigley eat everything up. I was grinning and laughing and whooping out loud. And now, I am just disgusted. Oh well, I will now be asking for the refund and possibly buying the Bucksaw. I just wonder if there is anything that could be done to the Quigs' swingarm. It is awfully peculiar that my crack is on the same weld as Dirtdawgs. I have been checking it after every ride and I am sure that if I had made one more ride, it would have broke exactly like his. This might sound stupid, but is there any chance that it could be rewelded?
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Gravity Quigley: Full suspension fat bike-cracked-quigley.jpg  


  6. #106
    Hooligan
    Reputation: dirtdawg21892's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    936
    Just get them to send you a continiuous stream of swingarms.

    Seriously though, I will be suprised if they are not all recalled. I was in the middle of trying to write an email sugesting that they let me keep the bike but now that I see its more than just a "Riley breaks sh!t all the time" problem, I think I'm going to discard it for a third time. It really is too bad, I had high hopes for this thing.
    Last edited by dirtdawg21892; 04-29-2015 at 07:29 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

  7. #107
    mtbr member
    Reputation: blown240's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    917
    Man, that sucks! Sure is looking like a design flaw.

  8. #108
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Posts
    658
    Just curious, but what is BD saying specifically about this problem?

    Are they blaming the welds, or are they actually admitting that it's a design problem?

  9. #109
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    44
    Darn it, I just threw up a little in my mouth!
    My Quigley arrives tomorrow!

    Did either of you guys bottom out your rear suspension? If so, how hard? Just trying to get an understanding of what I'm in for.

  10. #110
    Pedal through the Pain
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    82
    My rear suspension was set at 240psi (I think) or 20% sag. I never bottomed out and my ring indicator always showed I had a little more to give. I was actually thinking of putting a little lower psi to get all of the use out of the rear shock. No big drops and no big jumps, just aggressive XC type riding. Shinkers, I addressed the weld problem in my email to BD, I hope to hear back from them soon.

  11. #111
    Pedal through the Pain
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    82
    Oh, and unlike Dawg, I have never broken a frame until this one. I have a Gravity SS now retired, and a Gravity Bullseye Monster with around 1000 miles so I had some really big expectations for the Quigley.

  12. #112
    mtbr member
    Reputation: smithcreek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    496
    I guess this is what happens when a company like Bikes Direct does not have a proven design to copy.

  13. #113
    Hooligan
    Reputation: dirtdawg21892's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    936
    Quote Originally Posted by Back-to-Doo View Post
    Darn it, I just threw up a little in my mouth!
    My Quigley arrives tomorrow!

    Did either of you guys bottom out your rear suspension? If so, how hard? Just trying to get an understanding of what I'm in for.
    I used the full stroke on mine, never had any hard bottom outs or anything though
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

  14. #114
    Pedal through the Pain
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    82
    Something else I was thinking about, the Quig is spec'ed out extremely well for the dollar amount of the bike. I was just rough estimating buying a Bucksaw frame and building it out or buying it whole, but geez $4000 is whole lot of money right now. If I were to buy all the parts (ebay and online specials) that are on the Quigley, the costs exceeds the price of the bike! Its almost tempting to keep the bike and hope that a Chinese carbon full sus fat frame comes available soon or I convince the wife I need that Bucksaw frame. Humh, what to do?

  15. #115
    mtbr member
    Reputation: blown240's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    917
    Get the foes mutz frame for $2500 and swap it over!

  16. #116
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    63
    Bucksaw carbon frame $2699, alum frame $1899. I see you already inquired on the chinese fatty FS carbon frame. Anxious to see where that leads.

  17. #117
    Pedal through the Pain
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    82
    I got an email early this morning from BD offering me the full refund. No mention of the possible cause of failure, even with me mentioning the same breakage as Dirtdawgs and that I was afraid it was a possible welding error or design flaw. I also got an email from Peterxu stating the 19" mold for the full fatty carbon frame would not be available before July, so that could possibly be even longer and I would be another guinea pig for a new frame. So with that, I boxed up the Quigley and will put it on the UPS truck in the morning. Time to start saving for the Bucksaw and maybe I can have that before July. I already gave my Bullseye Monster to my wife, upgrading and fitting it to her liking, so I now I am fatbikeless for a while.

  18. #118
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    44
    I guess I'll need to make sure not to discard the box!

    Wonder how many they've actually sold so far.
    At this point we're at strike two. I think we have 2 of 2 that failed. (Just incase some aren't counting)

  19. #119
    All fat, all the time.
    Reputation: Shark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    7,173
    Quote Originally Posted by blown240 View Post
    Get the foes mutz frame for $2500 and swap it over!
    Or there are Bucksaw frames that pop up for sale in the classified from time to time....there is one in there now.

  20. #120
    mtbr member
    Reputation: WSUPolar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Posts
    197
    I know I'm saving my pennies for a Mutz....
    MacGyver is my spirit animal

    -Until proven wrong, assume you are the weak link in any system-

  21. #121
    Pedal through the Pain
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    82
    Back-to-Doo, how's the Quigley working out for you? It's up to you to keep the ride reports coming now. A guy named Dean Magnusons made several videos on youtube of his Quig. https://youtu.be/8cYQ1S-XDdE I am still keeping my hopes up that BikesDirect will address the issue and make the bike better.

  22. #122
    Hooligan
    Reputation: dirtdawg21892's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    936
    Quote Originally Posted by dmars3571 View Post
    I am still keeping my hopes up that BikesDirect will address the issue and make the bike better.
    That's what they told me they were planning when I last emailed them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

  23. #123
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    44
    dmars, Thanks for the video link.

    My Orange Quigley showed up last Friday, but I'm still out of town for work until late Wednesday. My first ride will be Thursday. Based on this thread I've ordered the Wolf tooth 42t and 30t chain ring to help eliminate bob. Also a RockShox kit to upgrade the Monarch R to the RL and a shim kit so I can tune the shock to my liking.

    If I end up having similar issue as you guys I might look in on a swing arm exchange program if turn around is timely.

    I do have a question for you guys, does the bike come with a pump(s) for the shocks and does it come with petals? (I have both already but I haven't seen anyone mention either)
    Last edited by Back-to-Doo; 05-05-2015 at 12:34 AM.

  24. #124
    Pedal through the Pain
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    82
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    That's what they told me they were planning when I last emailed them.
    I noticed this morning that on BD's website, all Quigleys' are now listed as sold out. Yesterday, there were Orange 17's & 19's and Grape Soda 17's, 19's, & 21's. I think it is safe to assume they are correcting their issues. I also read the thread on Ratrod Bikes that Blown240 provided and that Quigley owner was told by BD: "I sent bikes direct an email and they said they are aware of the Quigley problem and their advice is to ride the bike hard and if it cracks they will repair, replace or refund me. They are having the factory check out their quality control and materials for flaws." It will be interesting to see what BD does with these bikes.

  25. #125
    mtbr member
    Reputation: watts888's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    6,199
    awesome if they put them up on the bikeisland site as "busted frame" items. Buy a whole bike build kit for less than wholesale, then get an aftermarket frame.

  26. #126
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    192
    would be interesting to take a "broken frame" bike that has not been broken yet and get the swing arm re-heat treated to fix that weld area.

  27. #127
    mtbr member
    Reputation: smithcreek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    496
    Quote Originally Posted by dmars3571 View Post
    ...Quigley owner was told by BD: "I sent bikes direct an email and they said they are aware of the Quigley problem and their advice is to ride the bike hard and if it cracks they will repair, replace or refund me. They are having the factory check out their quality control and materials for flaws."
    I wonder if they ran that one past their lawyers first.

  28. #128
    mtbr member
    Reputation: dudeist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    282
    Quote Originally Posted by KenPsz View Post
    would be interesting to take a "broken frame" bike that has not been broken yet and get the swing arm re-heat treated to fix that weld area.
    Are you sure that heat treatment is the only problem here? I'd weld on some gussets, and then heat treat- if the bike were worth the cost, risk, and trouble, and not returnable.

  29. #129
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    192
    Quote Originally Posted by dudeist View Post
    Are you sure that heat treatment is the only problem here? I'd weld on some gussets, and then heat treat- if the bike were worth the cost, risk, and trouble, and not returnable.
    That type of break is well known when roll cages fail, all because the welding process changes the structure of the metal around it because of the heat input. The weld is stronger than the base metal and the heat input changes the strength of the base metal around the weld.

    You can get around these issues by the rod used and heat treating to "reset" the metal (base metal and weld) back to a good state.

    now welding on gussets that adds another issues that if you did know the base metal etc... could be also dealt with.

    I do wonder if the weld is back purged during the welding process.

  30. #130
    mtbr member
    Reputation: dudeist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    282
    I just assumed that all aluminum bikes were heat treated after welding, but obviously they took some kind of shortcuts somewhere. That design just looks like a lot of leverage will be prying on those joints, whatever processes were used.
    I love fatbikes, but my back prefers full suspension. Anybody wanna trade a Walmart Beast, a Pugsley, and a Fatboy for their Foes Mutz or Bucksaw?

  31. #131
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    1,134
    Fake bike company tries to make real bike, from scratch.

  32. #132
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    1,134
    dbl post

  33. #133
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    44
    Got a first ride in, initial impressions:
    Boxed up pretty good, box showed some damage but bike appeared fine in that area. Front brake disk was slightly bent. A few mins with a couple adjustable wrenches and it's barely noticeable. Bike was mostly pre-assembled the rest was minor. I only had to install these; seat post, petals, bars, front tire, F&R reflecters and air up tires. Then aligning and adjusting. I checked the pre-assembly bolts & screws and each was tight. Front and rear derailers and shifters were pre-adjusted very close. Set up form the factory was pretty close!
    Quality: At first appearance the paint and over finish look is nice. After setting bike up getting it ready to ride and taking a closer overall look. This thing looks AMAZING!

    First quick ride: Adjusted the shocks to set sag and out I went. The bottom line; the Gravity Quigley is a very fun bike! Everything seems to work as designed. Spent a little bit of time adjusting rear shock on the trail. I'll go for another ride soon and update with a real ride impression.

  34. #134
    mtbr member
    Reputation: blown240's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    917
    Let us know what you think! And please keep an eye on the rear triangle.

  35. #135
    Pedal through the Pain
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    82
    Keep those reports coming Back-to-doo. I really look forward to your reviews and hope the swingarm does better for you. I will say that Karla from BD has responded quickly to every one of my emails. She stated that BD is currently sold out of all Quigleys. I had asked if all the swingarms were produced in one run. She stated she was not sure what the answer for the swingarms is as of yet and that they are asking the factory for help and hope to have an answer/solution soon. After giving it some more thought, I really just don't want to pony up $4000 for a Bucksaw or Mutz. I asked if BD would be producing more Quigleys and Karla stated that they will be getting more, however, they have no idea of the ETA as of yet. They are working on a new design and then will have to be produced and shipped to the US from Asia So with that, I will be patiently waiting for the new Quigley to come out. What little bit of riding I got to do on the Quig has me really excited to try another redesigned version.

  36. #136
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Captain_America1976's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    2,154
    Quote Originally Posted by blown240 View Post
    Let us know when you break the rear triangle.
    Fixed your post

  37. #137
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    44
    So after a 14 mile break down run the only noticeable thing I DON'T care for is the tires. I ordered a 26x4 Panaracer Fat B Nimble 120tpi.
    So this isn't a $4000 bike and doesn't need to be compared to one! I'm not sure but I want to name it Either BOB or Tank. It definitely has BOB and it is a little porky. Mine weighed in at the LBS at 39lbs. So first it's going on an anti-bob plan then off to an anti-tank plan.

    I did break the chain while changing gears in a technical section while surprisingly enough the tires somehow had unexpected traction! Chain break tool and master link and I was back in business. Sad part was I had neither with me, it was a sweet 3 mile push! Haha!
    Last edited by Back-to-Doo; 05-07-2015 at 10:20 PM.

  38. #138
    Hooligan
    Reputation: dirtdawg21892's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    936
    how long does it usually take for BD to issue refunds?
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

  39. #139
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Posts
    52
    When I returned an FB4 for two bad forks in a row it took a few days after they received it, they said it has to be inspected first.

  40. #140
    Pedal through the Pain
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    82
    BD received my returned Quig on Tues May 5th and my refund was applied to my Paypal account on Thurs May 7th. I am leaving the money in that account for when BD produces the new and improved Quigley.

  41. #141
    Hooligan
    Reputation: dirtdawg21892's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    936
    I may use some of my refund to go get myself some guides. Those things are sweet. Now that I've had those my others feel inadequit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

  42. #142
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    1,954
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    I may use some of my refund to go get myself some guides. Those things are sweet. Now that I've had those my others feel inadequit.
    I can support this. I can't tell the difference between the guide and the slx/ xt I've used. What more could I want?

  43. #143
    Hooligan
    Reputation: dirtdawg21892's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    936
    Well, the money magically reappeared in my PayPal account. I'm pretty disappointed that this one didn't work out, because it was a very fun bike for the short time it lasted.
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

  44. #144
    Hooligan
    Reputation: dirtdawg21892's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    936
    Attachment 988734
    Attachment 988735
    Gravity Quigley: Full suspension fat bike-uploadfromtaptalk1431755299416.jpg
    I really do miss it and can't wait for rev 2.
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

  45. #145
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    84
    Maybe you should buy an enduro bike because I don't think the Quigley was designed for such jumps?

  46. #146
    mtbr member
    Reputation: watts888's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    6,199
    That's not much of a jump. If the Quigley can't handle stuff like that, it's a frame issue. Heck, 24" walmart bikes handle that.

  47. #147
    mtbr member
    Reputation: ShredMaster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    236
    Quote Originally Posted by watts888 View Post
    That's not much of a jump. If the Quigley can't handle stuff like that, it's a frame issue. Heck, 24" walmart bikes handle that.
    ^LOL... seriously. I've done bench drops like that on my daughters pink Strider balance bike just for laughs while under the influence of a few IPA's at the last family BBQ with no injury to the bike or my grundle.

  48. #148
    Hooligan
    Reputation: dirtdawg21892's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    936
    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch R. View Post
    Maybe you should buy an enduro bike because I don't think the Quigley was designed for such jumps?
    You're right, Clearly it wasn't.
    Please direct me to the fat enduro bike for $1500 because yes, it's exactly what I'm looking for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

  49. #149
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    44
    Well after 10 days and over 100 miles the Orange Quigley is still alive and doing well!

    I do have to add a little air to the shock every other day to keep sag set where I like it. I'm getting used to the VEE 8 limits. Bob is tuned down some with a little more shock air pressure only slightly affecting ride quality. I've added a few things to make riding more enjoyable for me so I've added weight and riding weight is over 40lbs. But I'm no weight weenie! Right now I'm just riding to help to get more lean and more fit.
    On pavement the Quigley isn't as efficient as a l Mt. bike, on the trail even with the VEE 8's is more sure footed than a Mt. bike. Once pointed down hill ... The Quigley is all smiles and I'm reminded why I bought it! While its not as nimble as a lighter Mt bike it still builds confidence through most trail conditions.

  50. #150
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Posts
    658
    Quote Originally Posted by Back-to-Doo View Post
    Orange Quigley is still alive and doing well!
    So obviously the orange powder coat has more structural integrity...

  51. #151
    mtbr member
    Reputation: blown240's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    917
    Im glad teh bike is working out so good for you. It's odd that you have to add air to the shock though.....

  52. #152
    Hooligan
    Reputation: dirtdawg21892's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    936
    Quote Originally Posted by blown240 View Post
    Im glad teh bike is working out so good for you. It's odd that you have to add air to the shock though.....
    I didn't personally have that problem, but The monarch is known for that.

    Sent from my DROID2 using Tapatalk 2
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

  53. #153
    Hooligan
    Reputation: dirtdawg21892's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    936
    here is the original video:


    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

  54. #154
    mtbr member
    Reputation: watts888's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    6,199
    Yep, normal trail riding. That sort of stuff should not be pushing a full suspension frame in any way. I am impressed that you hopped that thing up onto the bench.

  55. #155
    Hooligan
    Reputation: dirtdawg21892's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    936
    Quote Originally Posted by watts888 View Post
    I am impressed that you hopped that thing up onto the bench.
    Thanks!
    Yeah, I was having a blast with it. I was pretty upset when I noticed the big crack

    Sent from my DROID2 using Tapatalk 2
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

  56. #156
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    44
    Just took Quigley down a single track I had never been on. The bike really shined! The Glide brakes are impressive and easy to alloy firm braking control with out locking up even as the VEE 8 do break traction. Not knowing how any of the landings or roll outs were, I didn't get much air, but control and quickness to change direction or scrub speed was very nice and easy. Although one can feel the mass of 40 lbs of inertia from time to time.

  57. #157
    Pedal through the Pain
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    82
    Darn it, I knew I should have bought the orange one. Those other hot colors must have weakened the frame. Thanks for the report Back-to-Doo and nice video, Dawg! I sure hope BD will hurry up on the frame redesign and get some more Quigs' produced, there are too many other tempting bikes out there with more cool stuff coming, for example: the Specialized FSR Stumpjumper 6Fattie. I was also looking at converting my Spec Camber 29er over to the 27.5+ wheels and 2.8 tires, but there is just not enough room in the fork and chainstays to make it work. Oh decisions, decisions. I regress, I just want my Quigley back.

  58. #158
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    44
    Sad news: Orange frames equal same result!
    Never bottomed suspension, never took off any drops, or real jumps and never wrecked!

    Email sent.

  59. #159
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Posts
    658
    Just when you had me thinking it was some kind of fluke.

    Sad to hear.

  60. #160
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    44
    My rear swing arm is dropped off at the weld shop. They have a plan to fix it. I've taken lots of items to them to repair, redesign or fab up over the years. Including a $75k 5ver toyhauler that the frame broke on it up by the hitch about 15 months after buying it and they haven't let me down yet. I'm willing to bet it'll be better than new. (But that's not saying much really)
    I go on vacation tomorrow in the AM for 2 weeks so to try and eliminate prolonged down time I decided to just try and fix the rear swing arm on my own. If BD wants to send a 2nd Gen swing arm great if not oh well we'll see how this turns out.

  61. #161
    Pedal through the Pain
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    82
    ^^^I cant wait to see the repair. I almost wish I would have taken this route. I hope it works out for you and if it doesn't, you basically have all of the parts to build up a bucksaw or mutz. Good luck and keep us updated.

  62. #162
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    44
    Quote Originally Posted by dmars3571 View Post
    ^^^I cant wait to see the repair. I almost wish I would have taken this route. I hope it works out for you and if it doesn't, you basically have all of the parts to build up a bucksaw or mutz. Good luck and keep us updated.
    Yes, this is what I'm thinking too. I went back to the LBS to check options of a Carbon FS fat bike frame if this doesn't work out. I had just stopped by the LBS picked up and/or ordered about $600 parts about an hour before I found the swing arm failure. So that made getting a carbon frame a bit steep to go that route right now, but it is an option. I won't have a swingarm update for 2 weeks as I am currently at the airport waiting on our flight.

  63. #163
    mtbr member
    Reputation: watts888's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    6,199
    Since it appears most of the cracks in the swingarms are in the tubing, I'm curious how the weld shop is going to repair it. It's not a simple grind out the weld sort of fix. I imagine a large gusset and maybe a refabrication of the whole tube. Maybe a larger diameter stand tube or thicker wall.

  64. #164
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    192
    Would be cool if the weld shop redoes the tubing and does a proper heat treat to even out stresses.

    Who knows maybe you will have the answer to the bikes issues and you can sell the idea back to BD.

  65. #165
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    44
    He is going to cut the failed vertical tube open to see what we're dealing with and go from there. He may try and gusset the existing vertical tub or wrap another price of aluminum around the outside the vertical tube and plug weld that piece to it. Like I said I've used and trusted his judgement on way bigger projects than this over the last 20 years.
    Oh and if anyone cares this swing arm weighs less than 3 lbs before repairs. I weighed the complete rear tire too (as taken off bike) it is almost 10 lbs. Guess it was a good thing I just ordered Marge Lites and FatBNimbles haven't decided on hubs yet.
    Last edited by Back-to-Doo; 07-24-2015 at 01:01 PM.

  66. #166
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    44
    Also, for some of those that enjoy bad mouthing BikesDirect, their prompt reply with admirable options was very welcomed! One way or another I should be riding soon after our return home.

  67. #167
    mtbr member
    Reputation: watts888's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    6,199
    Since you're cutting up the frame, did they give you a rebate and you kept the bike as is, or are you doing this entirely on your own? I imagine the rebate would be their prefered option.

  68. #168
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    44
    Quote Originally Posted by litespeedaddict View Post
    I wonder if you should rephrase that to something like...To those of you saying "You get what you paid for, and you paid for a pile of crap"....Just a thought.

    Or not! But you're intitled to your opinion, but I can't see how it helps this thread. Isn't one of the reasons for forums to inform and help others.
    Not everyone can afford a $4000+ Full suspension fat tire! Therefore I didn't expect to get a $4000 bike! At this point I don't have anything bad to say about BD or how they offered to rectify this issue. Not every design works out as planned and they are quick to offer multiple solutions to me!

    Btw What do you ride? Never mind, I really don't care! I just hope your happy with it. Cheers!

  69. #169
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    192
    I do hope the swing arm repair works then I will look on Bike Island for one of the ones BD tries to dump. :-)

  70. #170
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    44
    I don't see why I can't disclose what the offers I was given. I'm not sure what others in this thread were offered and I didn't see where I was asked to keep this confidential.
    I was given these 3 options:
    1) Return bike for a full refund.
    2) They send a Boris fat bike frame out now so I can install my Quigley components onto and I wait for for an updated swing arm that they will sent to me when it is available.
    3) Receive a $200 rebate and send them the frame and swing arm keeping all the components to install on a frame of my choice. (that I buy from anyone)

  71. #171
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    192
    The Boris option sounds awesome!

  72. #172
    mtbr member
    Reputation: blown240's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    917
    boris option sounds pretty solid.

  73. #173
    Pedal through the Pain
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    82
    Quote Originally Posted by Back-to-Doo View Post
    I was given these 3 options:
    1) Return bike for a full refund.
    2) They send a Boris fat bike frame out now so I can install my Quigley components onto and I wait for for an updated swing arm that they will sent to me when it is available.
    3) Receive a $200 rebate and send them the frame and swing arm keeping all the components to install on a frame of my choice. (that I buy from anyone)
    HOLY MOLY!!! I only got the offer for full refund mainly because that was what I requested. I would have been all over option #2. Option #3 is great as well considering I ebayed the parts specs to be $1564 when I was thinking about keeping the Quig. Man, I need to learn how to negotiate!

  74. #174
    mtbr member
    Reputation: watts888's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    6,199
    I'd definately go for the boris frame.

    Might need new seatpost (not sure if the sizes are the same). Most everything else should work assuming they have the same rear axle spacing and the crankarm width for frame clearance. (why would BD offer the boris frame if it wouldn't work). Might need new cables just because of different routing, but shouldn't be too bad.

  75. #175
    Hooligan
    Reputation: dirtdawg21892's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    936
    Quote Originally Posted by dmars3571 View Post
    HOLY MOLY!!! I only got the offer for full refund mainly because that was what I requested. I would have been all over option #2. Option #3 is great as well considering I ebayed the parts specs to be $1564 when I was thinking about keeping the Quig. Man, I need to learn how to negotiate!
    I mean, what's stopping you from using your refund for a night Train? Either way you end up with a very well spec'd $1500 hardtail.
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

  76. #176
    Pedal through the Pain
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    82
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    I mean, what's stopping you from using your refund for a night Train? Either way you end up with a very well spec'd $1500 hardtail.
    True, and the Night Train is one sweet rig, however, I am really set on going full sussy with fat tires one way or another. I wonder with option #2 if you get to keep the Boris frame after they send you the updated swingarm?

  77. #177
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    44
    Yea, option #2 getting a Boris is a no brainer for me!

  78. #178
    Hooligan
    Reputation: dirtdawg21892's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    936
    If it were proposed to me, I probably would have taken it too. I really just want a mutz knockoff (or to come across 6k to add to my bike fund so I can just buy one).
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Hell of a jump, dawg. Even though they're baggy shorts, I'm surprised that you can fit your balls into them.

  79. #179
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Posts
    8
    Another quigley bites the dust!!! Mine cracked in the exact same place

  80. #180
    Pedal through the Pain
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    82
    I noticed on BikesDirect website that the checkout status for the Quigley has been updated showing availability for Sept/Oct. I have sent an email to Larry asking for any new info on the updated versions. Ezigg101, I would go with the Boris frame option that BacktoDoo talked about until the new Quigs come out.

  81. #181
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Posts
    658
    I emailed BD to see what they've done to improve the frames. Doubt they'll say anything but it'd be cool if they've come up with a fix.

    If they can fix the issue, I'd probably be a buyer.

    Or maybe Motobecane will put their fatty out and it'll be amazing.

  82. #182
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Posts
    8
    Not knowing what the new design will be, thats not a chance i want to take. Dont feel like waiting another year and possibly end up with the same problem. I sit on the money and figure something else out

  83. #183
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    44
    Maybe I'm biased because it's happened to my bike, but at this point I would not have a problem buying their next version of full suspended fat bike!

    And while my QUIGLEY is down I'm upgrading some parts too!

  84. #184
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Posts
    8
    B/d customer service is fantastic!! No question. I would def buy from them again. But i want to see the new design first

  85. #185
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Posts
    8
    Btw, how do i post pics???

  86. #186
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Posts
    8

    Pic

    Did this work
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Gravity Quigley: Full suspension fat bike-image.jpg  


  87. #187
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Posts
    8
    Another
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Gravity Quigley: Full suspension fat bike-image.jpg  


  88. #188
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    192
    That is a twisting moment in the swing arm, which just looks like a bad design.

    Are there any updates on the rebuild of the swing arm?

  89. #189
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Posts
    8
    Not that im aware of

  90. #190
    mtbr member
    Reputation: watts888's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    6,199
    It's amazing that all the failures are on that same weld. I bet there's one welder in china that's getting rolled because of this. And another guy who designed it whose getting thumb tacks thrown at him.

  91. #191
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    192
    Quote Originally Posted by watts888 View Post
    It's amazing that all the failures are on that same weld. I bet there's one welder in china that's getting rolled because of this. And another guy who designed it whose getting thumb tacks thrown at him.
    Looking at all the failures being the same I have changed my mind and don't think it is the welds, which is what my opinion was at first. I think it is just a bad design with those chain stays being on different planes looks like that is causing the main tube to be twisted in two directions every time the swing arm needs to move.

    Change the failure section to a solid piece of metal attach that solid piece to the tube structure might correct the problem.

  92. #192
    All fat, all the time.
    Reputation: Shark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    7,173
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezigg101 View Post
    B/d customer service is fantastic!! No question. I would def buy from them again. But i want to see the new design first
    I don't understand why you guys are so excited about this......

    If they are so fantastic, they should have designed the frame properly in the first place and tested it before selling to the public.

  93. #193
    bigger than you.
    Reputation: Gigantic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    2,989
    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    is it too early to say "I told you so"?
    How about now?

  94. #194
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Swerny's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    1,754
    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    I don't understand why you guys are so excited about this......

    If they are so fantastic, they should have designed the frame properly in the first place and tested it before selling to the public.
    I have to agree

    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    How about now?
    not yet i guess?
    Mike
    Toronto, Canada
    2016 Trek Farley 7
    2017 Diamondback Haanjo Trail Carbon
    2016 Scott Solace 10 Disc

  95. #195
    mtbr member
    Reputation: blown240's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    917
    I was thinking they should have had both chain stays attach to that tube at the same spot, and then gusseted it. But after looking at some pics, they would have had an issue with front derailer clearance. I'm curious to see what the redesign is. I think a thicker walled tube will just delay the cracks a bit, as guys push these bikes harder and harder.

  96. #196
    since 4/10/2009
    Reputation: Harold's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    20,166
    may this be a lesson - you can't take a FS design that's crap or marginal for skinny tires to begin with, and just scale it up to make it fit wider hubs and fatter tires without actually doing some testing, redesigning when you make it fail, more testing, and so on.

    BD is not doing you guys a wonderful service by taking refunds. This is a life or death situation for them. They offer refunds or they die.

    If anyone wonders why a Bucksaw (or anything else from a "name brand") costs more than what BD sells, this is a perfect example. This whole situation just smacks of ZERO product testing. How many years did Salsa spend testing and prototyping the Bucksaw again? And how long did it take BD to throw together a budget FS fatbike?

  97. #197
    mtbr member
    Reputation: JackNicholls62's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Posts
    66
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    may this be a lesson - you can't take a FS design that's crap or marginal for skinny tires to begin with, and just scale it up to make it fit wider hubs and fatter tires without actually doing some testing, redesigning when you make it fail, more testing, and so on.

    BD is not doing you guys a wonderful service by taking refunds. This is a life or death situation for them. They offer refunds or they die.

    If anyone wonders why a Bucksaw (or anything else from a "name brand") costs more than what BD sells, this is a perfect example. This whole situation just smacks of ZERO product testing. How many years did Salsa spend testing and prototyping the Bucksaw again? And how long did it take BD to throw together a budget FS fatbike?

    Bingo. Any company would offer a prompt refund. How could they not? they are doing what they have to do. Honestly this is a joke. Broken frame after broken frame.
    I'm cool with BD. I have a Gravity Bullseye Monster. Simple strong frame, no worries. This thing looked like a disaster from the start. BD should stick to what they do best... wait a few years and steal someone elses retired FS fat frame.

  98. #198
    mtbr member
    Reputation: watermonkey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    822
    At what point is a full recall in order? There's a difference between offering a refund and being responsible and ordering a full recall.

  99. #199
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    3,202
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    How many years did Salsa spend testing and prototyping the Bucksaw again? And how long did it take BD to throw together a budget FS fatbike?
    Ummm, didn't they have some breakage issues recently?

    Just messing with you

    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    How about now?
    No, I think you're good, it's pretty clear this was a fail.

  100. #200
    mtbr member
    Reputation: ShredMaster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    236
    Quote Originally Posted by watermonkey View Post
    At what point is a full recall in order? There's a difference between offering a refund and being responsible and ordering a full recall.
    word

Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Gravity FSX 2.0 Full Suspension Mountain Bikes
    By Falkster109 in forum Beginner's Corner
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 05-12-2014, 06:09 AM
  2. Best Full suspension Bike for $2,000
    By BrokenCobra in forum All Mountain
    Replies: 86
    Last Post: 07-18-2013, 10:58 AM
  3. Replies: 57
    Last Post: 07-09-2013, 02:22 PM
  4. Which full suspension bike would be the best?
    By TorturedSoul in forum Bike and Frame discussion
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 06-03-2012, 09:59 PM

Members who have read this thread: 53

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •