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    Full Suspension Fatibikes ... who and what?

    So, there seem to be 2 groups of full suspension fatbikes kicking around.

    For lack of a good description, I'll just call them groups 1 and 2 based generally on travel/chainstay length/head angle.

    In Group 1:
    Bucksaw
    Framed Montana
    radom Chinese Carbon (icann, Angle, Carbon Speed, etc)
    Foes Mutz
    LaMere Dopamine
    Sandman Indus FS / 11 Nine Epicyon / Salted Rock Candy
    Gravity
    Carver Ti
    Growler Double Stout

    In Group 2:
    11nine Hemicyon
    Maxx Huraxdax
    Trek Farley EX 9.8
    Lenz Fatillac
    Silverback Synergy
    WaltworksBRAAP
    Proudfoot
    Foes Mutz 150
    Wraith ASARO

    (Am I missing any? Any I've misclassified? Should there be another category?)

    I've not seen many of these reviewed to any significant extent (some because they're new, some just because there are none).

    So, I'm curious first - does anyone have experience with any of the otherwise non-reviewed bikes above?

    Looking at the available options, has a sine qua non emerged in anyone's mind?

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    To me the Mutz should be I group 2 with it's 67 degree head angle and 5.5" travel. The growler and a couple others with a 69 head angle IMHO should be group 1.

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    isnt the growler the same as the Ican SN04? the geochart is identical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefflinde View Post
    isnt the growler the same as the Ican SN04? the geochart is identical.
    possibly true .. hadn't spotted that and was basing the categorization on my FB conversation with him without looking too closely

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    1) Many of the bikes you listed are using rebranded frames. I'd be careful with CF frames that are rebranded.
    2) The geomentry and travel should be used as the determining factors for "appropriate use", but you have mixed up the bikes in each group

    First, I wouldn't put any bike in Group 1 that doesn't have at least 140mm of travel at both ends. This seperates the all mountain bikes from the XC bikes. Most full suspension fat bikes are designed for XC riding.

    Second, many of the mfgs specifically state that using a longer travel fork will "void" their warranty. That statement makes me wonder if they're trying to protect themselves from how a bike is used, ie short travel forks reduce the intensity of use.

    As I've said in the other thread, there are only two bikes that I know of that have the build and design to support enduro styled riding: Mutz and Fatillac. I expect that you could get a custom frame built that would be equivallent.

    The Maxx Huraxdax is on the fence between the two groups at 135mm rear travel. I have no direct experience with this bike.

    The 11nine Hemicyon appears to have the travel (150mm) to fit in with Group 1, but this is also not a bike I know.

    3k for a frame/shock will get you started on a Fatillac or a Mutz.

    Quote Originally Posted by IWR View Post
    So, there seem to be 2 groups of full suspension fatbikes kicking around.

    For lack of a good description, I'll just call them groups 1 and 2 based generally on travel/chainstay length/head angle.

    In Group 1:
    Bucksaw
    Framed Montana
    radom Chinese Carbon (icann, Angle, Carbon Speed, etc)
    Foes Mutz
    LaMere Dopamine
    Sandman Indus FS / 11 Nine Epicyon / Salted Rock Candy
    Gravity
    Carver Ti
    Growler Double Stout

    In Group 2:
    11nine Hemicyon
    Maxx Huraxdax
    Trek Farley EX 9.8
    Lenz Fatillac
    Silverback Synergy
    WaltworksBRAAP
    Proudfoot
    Foes Mutz 150

    (Am I missing any? Any I've misclassified? Should there be another category?)

    I've not seen many of these reviewed to any significant extent (some because they're new, some just because there are none).

    So, I'm curious first - does anyone have experience with any of the otherwise non-reviewed bikes above?

    Looking at the available options, has a sine qua non emerged in anyone's mind?

    =edit

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    There is also the custom Wraith ASARO:
    Tenacious and resilient like the man I built it for. East coast geometry with a 67* head angle and 16.25 chainstay to be agile when needed but mow over square edged hits with its rearward axle path and climb with full traction all the time....
    Full Suspension Fatibikes ... who and what?-wraith-asaro.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    There is also the custom Wraith ASARO:
    Interesting looking bike ... can't think of anything that wasn't a full on DH bike that used a jackshaft. (I'm sure there are ... can't think of ... nevermind, google provides ... but at least that is an expected use in which they have a single gear setup and want to skip a tensioner.)

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    That looks so unconventional that I cannot help but be crushing on it hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMNealio View Post
    There is also the custom Wraith ASARO


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    Suspension will lock under braking, not a good design IMO

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    Mutz should be in Group 2 based on travel and burliness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MUSTCLIME View Post
    Suspension will lock under braking, not a good design IMO
    I'm positive there was thought put into that, as he typically incorporates a floating brake on his single pivot FS frames to deal with the jacking issues inherent to the design (also why the jackshaft is there, in addition to making it SS friendly).

    Dunno why this particular bike doesn't use one, but knowing the builder, there's a good reason; I'll have to ask next time I run into him. I've got a couple of his non-fat frames and they're killer.
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