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    Foes Mutz

    Hi everybody,

    I've always been a Foes fan since i rode a Weasel from a friend in the past...

    Is there someone who could talk about this frame ? Who has tried one ??
    Is the fat /full suspension bike a nice combo ?
    Impressions for who's already have a fat ?......
    I never tried one (fat bike), i'm intersted by those fat tires.....

    Steve, from France

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    Quote Originally Posted by pit View Post
    Hi everybody,

    I've always been a Foes fan since i rode a Weasel from a friend in the past...

    Is there someone who could talk about this frame ? Who has tried one ??
    Is the fat /full suspension bike a nice combo ?
    Impressions for who's already have a fat ?......
    I never tried one (fat bike), i'm intersted by those fat tires.....

    Steve, from France
    Hey Steve,

    Check out this link. Foes Fat Update | Likin' Bikin' News

    I've been riding the Foes Mutz for a while and would be happy to answer any questions. Feel free to message me anytime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riderofbikes View Post
    Hey Steve,

    Check out this link. Foes Fat Update | Likin' Bikin' News

    I've been riding the Foes Mutz for a while and would be happy to answer any questions. Feel free to message me anytime.
    Hi "Riderofbikes",
    I've send you a private message

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    Mine is ordered......

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    Foes Mutz-foes-mutz-neon-green-2.jpgFoes Mutz-mutz-candy-blue.jpgFoes Mutz-mutz-chrome.jpg

    Colors offered by Foes are awesome

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    What color did you order?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahtune69 View Post
    What color did you order?
    Neon green

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    what can I expect to spend on one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wadedro View Post
    what can I expect to spend on one?
    Sorry for my bad english,
    You mean the price of the frame ?

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    yes, frame price, correct.

    ahhh, it's so sexy can't stop looking at it

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    Quote Originally Posted by wadedro View Post
    yes, frame price, correct.

    ahhh, it's so sexy can't stop looking at it
    Me too...heheheeee....
    In France it will cost close to 2900 euros with color option and DB Inline shock.....pricey for me, but i really think that i pay for premium quality frame, still hand-made in USA and that will last long time :-)

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    ....and, most of all, it's been 20 years since i wanted to offer myself Foes. At the end of january i'll be 40, i like mtb, dream will come True for me......

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    That looks a bit better . . .

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    Who has the Foes Mutz in stock to buy?

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    Here is my Mutz live and in the flesh.. Picked her up Tuesday.

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    ohhhhhh gosh, it's RAD. what size are you and the frame? I saw there is a frame on ebay right now. drool................. and you've got the right tires on it. ahhhhhhhh wonder if I can fit a medium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pit View Post
    Neon green
    I just ordered this same frame in large, it's to be delivered on the 19th, I have all the parts to build her up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wadedro View Post
    ohhhhhh gosh, it's RAD. what size are you and the frame? I saw there is a frame on ebay right now. drool................. and you've got the right tires on it. ahhhhhhhh wonder if I can fit a medium.
    The frame is a L. I am 5'11 is that helps. I am border M to L with the Mutz frame.

    Hope this helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonSauce View Post
    The frame is a L. I am 5'11 is that helps. I am border M to L with the Mutz frame.

    Hope this helps!
    yes, thanks, that does help. 5'10 here and i'm always borderline M-L on bikes, but usually end up going L with a shorter stem and my monkey arms. did you have to order it from one of the US dealers? and they shipped it direct to your home?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pit View Post


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    Hi, may I know what color is this?

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    Timberline Cycles ? Your Local Source For Custom-made Mountain Bikes

    Foes Mutz $3999 level 1 build kit
    $4999 level 2
    $5999 level 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt45 View Post
    Timberline Cycles ? Your Local Source For Custom-made Mountain Bikes

    Foes Mutz $3999 level 1 build kit
    $4999 level 2
    $5999 level 3
    Yea, you can do all kinds of stuff to the frame, it's pretty cool. Glad that shop is only an hour away.. Makes it easier.

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    Is anyone planning on running their Mutz as a snow bike with a change of tires or wheels and tires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolling In Peace View Post
    Is anyone planning on running their Mutz as a snow bike with a change of tires or wheels and tires?
    I think I am at the sweet spot for a "year around" fattie with FS. I think the only thing I could do is grab some carbon rims, build those tubeless, keep my marge lites and add tubes for winter riding. I am enjoying these 45NRTH VH atm. Summer time I plan to ride these tires everywhere I go..

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    Re: Foes Mutz

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolling In Peace View Post
    Is anyone planning on running their Mutz as a snow bike with a change of tires or wheels and tires?
    for spring/summer/autumn seasons, I have a pair of vanhelga's that I will mount tubeless. But for winter time, I try to go a bit wider and hopefully 45nrth's new twin beists will fit on 80mm rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    for spring/summer/autumn seasons, I have a pair of vanhelga's that I will mount tubeless. But for winter time, I try to go a bit wider and hopefully 45nrth's new twin beists will fit on 80mm rims.

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    I plan this for a "year around" bike. I am running the marge lites with the 45NRTH VH's. I just took them out a few days ago in the snow, and they seemed just fine. I do want to grab some carbon rims and run those tubless for summer. I am running these VH's tubless right now. My LBS had an idea with the marge lites and a smaller tire for summer riding. I kind of want to ride this setup for all the seasons I can and see how I like it, or dislike it.

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    I have both 65mm and 80mm carbon rims available to test with the Vanhelgas but first i need to manage to order one and know the delivery-time....

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    I have both 65mm and 80mm carbon rims available to test with the Vanhelgas but first i need to manage to order one and know the delivery-time....

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    Very happy with my purchase. Glad I went this route tbh.

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    Re: Foes Mutz

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonSauce View Post
    Very happy with my purchase. Glad I went this route tbh.
    I hope to finally have answers tomorrow so i can order.

    Btw, does the seattube allow for dropper-post with internal cabling (reverb stealth or thomson covert dropper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    I hope to finally have answers tomorrow so i can order.

    Btw, does the seattube allow for dropper-post with internal cabling (reverb stealth or thomson covert dropper.

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    Yes the frame supports a covert dropper. I might be able to answer other questions you have. My frame went to paint today.

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    Re: Foes Mutz

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolling In Peace View Post
    Yes the frame supports a covert dropper. I might be able to answer other questions you have. My frame went to paint today.
    I think i can move most parts from my current fathike except seatpost (time to go for a dropper) and fork to this frame.

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    Ordered my Mutz yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    Ordered my Mutz yesterday.

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    Size ?
    Color ?

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    Re: Foes Mutz

    Quote Originally Posted by pit View Post

    Size ?
    Color ?
    XL in "candy red over silver"

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    XL in "candy red over silver"

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    Nice. The frames look super good. What's the eta on the delivery?

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    Nice. The frames look super good. What's the eta on the delivery?

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    Seems it will be around 5 weeks, so first half of April wzould be my optimistic guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolling In Peace View Post
    Yes the frame supports a covert dropper. I might be able to answer other questions you have. My frame went to paint today.
    What's the max rotor size for the rear? The Bluto for is 200mm i think.

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    For the other models, they have usermanuals in PDF on the site. Anyonr have the PDF for the MUTZ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolling In Peace View Post
    Yes the frame supports a covert dropper. I might be able to answer other questions you have. My frame went to paint today.
    Rear brake use IS mounts?


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    I believe the rear is a post mount. Probably designed around a 6 or 7" rotor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolling In Peace View Post
    I believe the rear is a post mount. Probably designed around a 6 or 7" rotor
    Planning to use Hope 185mm (don't think 203mm ill be needed) rotors, so no isues as i had assumed.

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    Is FOES also recommending 65mm rims like Salsa does for the Bucksaw or what are their rim/tire size recommendations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    Is FOES also recommending 65mm rims like Salsa does for the Bucksaw or what are their rim/tire size recommendations?
    65mm for summer riding and 80 for snow. Tire choice is entirely up to you but some good recommendations are 45NRTH Vanhelgas or Husker Dus or Surly Nates or Knards.

    I will be running Helgas on Marge Lites (or on Whisky carbon rims if I can find the $ for them!!)

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    Got some 65mm carbon rims and a pair of vanhelgas... so i should start lacing before the frame arrives...

    When are you expecting yours?

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    My frame arrived yesterday, i'll post some pics soon......
    Most beautiful frame i've ever owned for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by pit View Post
    My frame arrived yesterday, i'll post some pics soon......
    Most beautiful frame i've ever owned for sure
    They would try to finish my before the end of the month... so just a little bit more

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    Some pics of my new Mutz frame ]
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Foes Mutz-dsc_0060.jpg  

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    Quote Originally Posted by pit View Post
    Some pics of my new Mutz frame ]
    That color is pretty darn nice!

    Enjoy her!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonSauce View Post
    That color is pretty darn nice!

    Enjoy her!
    Thanks !!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pit View Post
    Some pics of my new Mutz frame ]
    Clearly a proud new owner

    Can't wait to receive mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    Clearly a proud new owner

    Can't wait to receive mine.
    Exactly !!!
    Welds are beautiful, details like the CNC machined bottom bracket or the hydroformed down tube reveal Foes trademark
    First Foes i've ever owned (certainly the first Mutz in France), a dream comes true......

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    Quote Originally Posted by pit View Post
    Exactly !!!
    Welds are beautiful, details like the CNC machined bottom bracket or the hydroformed down tube reveal Foes trademark
    First Foes i've ever owned (certainly the first Mutz in France), a dream comes true......
    I assume mine will be one of the first if not the first in Belgium. .

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    When is the maiden ride?
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    Which workstands are you using for your Mutz? The classic clamp-style like the ParkTool PCS-10 don't look suitable at first looks

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    Which workstands are you using for your Mutz? The classic clamp-style like the ParkTool PCS-10 don't look suitable at first looks
    I have the pcs-10. It was the only one recommended. It's highly universal. If you have a work bench then obviously that may be the better option.

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    Some pics of my new Mutz frame ]
    A Mutz from Switzerland!

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt45 View Post
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    A Mutz from Switzerland!
    with this green bluto

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    That green fork iz the shiz ! Did Foes powder coat the fork for you ? I just ordered the Candy Green over Silver Mutz and may want to do the fork after seeing how bad ass yours looks.

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    It looks like the Candy Green over Silver from their website. I just ordered one.

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    With the rear shock cutting the front triangle in two, is there space for a bottle cage?

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    I just finished building my Mutz, I love the painted shock and no there isn't any place for a cage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Look Out Below View Post
    I just finished building my Mutz, I love the painted shock and no there isn't any place for a cage.

    Beauty! What color is it?

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    Neon Green

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    What inverted fork it that??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Look Out Below View Post
    I just finished building my Mutz, I love the painted shock and no there isn't any place for a cage.

    I am digging that color more and more. Have we build sheet by chance?
    Quote Originally Posted by Exiger77 View Post
    What inverted fork it that??
    I am curious as well.

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    Anyone have any regrets buying the Mutz? Thinking maybe a 26 or a 29'r might be better?


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    I would love to know what tire / rim combo's folks are running on their Mutz's.
    Should that that be a new thread ? has anyone considered 27.5 plus sized tires ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by railntrail View Post
    I would love to know what tire / rim combo's folks are running on their Mutz's.
    Should that that be a new thread ? has anyone considered 27.5 plus sized tires ?
    65mm Marge lites. Vanhelgas. There are a few 26x3 I have considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiger77 View Post
    What inverted fork it that??
    Maverick SC32 I have a couple of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonSauce View Post
    Anyone have any regrets buying the Mutz? Thinking maybe a 26 or a 29'r might be better?


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    Not one bit I built this back in 2010 and put over 7,000 hard miles on her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Look Out Below View Post
    Not one bit I built this back in 2010 and put over 7,000 hard miles on her.

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    I don't really have regrets I guess. Just my weight plus the bike I think is playing affect in my ability to climb on it. I think a lighter bike would be suit me I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonSauce View Post
    I don't really have regrets I guess. Just my weight plus the bike I think is playing affect in my ability to climb on it. I think a lighter bike would be suit me I guess.

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    Together with my current ride (XL sized Mukluk), i probably am around 115kg. Comparing with the group (all are lighter and ride regular mtbs) I go riding with weekly, it is clearly not affecting me at all. Most of the offroad climbs i simply have better traction ... No idea on the weight difference until my Mutz finally arrives but I doubt it will affect much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    Together with my current ride (XL sized Mukluk), i probably am around 115kg. Comparing with the group (all are lighter and ride regular mtbs) I go riding with weekly, it is clearly not affecting me at all. Most of the offroad climbs i simply have better traction ... No idea on the weight difference until my Mutz finally arrives but I doubt it will affect much.
    Fair enough. Maybe it's just in my head. Probably just need more cardio and stronger legs to make those climbs. I do run my rear in climb position when I climb. I'm actually running around 15 or 16 psi is both tires. So I get minimal Bob when I climb.

    I'm running a 1x front crank. I do notice I have the traction. I wouldn't mind trying a skinnier tire in the same frame to see how I do personally. I definitely curious to see if there is any difference in your ride when you get the mutz in hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonSauce View Post
    Fair enough. Maybe it's just in my head. Probably just need more cardio and stronger legs to make those climbs. I do run my rear in climb position when I climb. I'm actually running around 15 or 16 psi is both tires. So I get minimal Bob when I climb.

    I'm running a 1x front crank. I do notice I have the traction. I wouldn't mind trying a skinnier tire in the same frame to see how I do personally. I definitely curious to see if there is any difference in your ride when you get the mutz in hand.

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    I will let you know (i can compare timings on the climbs using garmin connect)... with some luck it ships still this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    I will let you know (i can compare timings on the climbs using garmin connect)... with some luck it ships still this week.
    That would be awesome. What components you plan on running?

    My riding weight is 108kg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonSauce View Post
    That would be awesome. What components you plan on running?

    My riding weight is 108kg.

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    Xx1 gears and raceface crank, hope v4 breaks and a thomson dropper. Vanhelga's to deliver traction. Except for the dropper, same as the mukluk ... all will be transferred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    Xx1 gears and raceface crank, hope v4 breaks and a thomson dropper. Vanhelga's to deliver traction. Except for the dropper, same as the mukluk ... all will be transferred.
    Ah ok. What sort of terrain do you ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonSauce View Post
    Ah ok. What sort of terrain do you ride?

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    Most if the trails closeby are through the forest or open fields. For a more challenging ride, i go to luxemburg where i a few gpx tracks that are really challenging (70km, 2500hm is the "easy" one).

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    Most if the trails closeby are through the forest or open fields. For a more challenging ride, i go to luxemburg where i a few gpx tracks that are really challenging (70km, 2500hm is the "easy" one).
    ah ok. You shouldn't have any issues then keeping up. I really haven't ran in to an issue on flat surfaces keeping up. Just unable to keep up during climbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonSauce View Post
    ah ok. You shouldn't have any issues then keeping up. I really haven't ran in to an issue on flat surfaces keeping up. Just unable to keep up during climbs.
    Local trails are 400 to 500hm only but sometimes a nasty climb. It is more my friends trying to keep up with me

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    Local trails are 400 to 500hm only but sometimes a nasty climb. It is more my friends trying to keep up with me
    ahh. Keep us up to date on your frame status

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonSauce View Post
    ahh. Keep us up to date on your frame status
    My patience is running thin... 4 to 5 weeks delivery indicated when ordering while 6 have past already

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    My patience is running thin... 4 to 5 weeks delivery indicated when ordering while 6 have past already
    Hang in there, it's worth the wait. I got quoted 2 weeks delivery on mine but it arrived in close to 5. I ordered my frame directly from Foes in person

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    Our dealer is receiving 11 pcs soon. Shipping this week! Can't wait..

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    My patience is running thin... 4 to 5 weeks delivery indicated when ordering while 6 have past already
    I had to wait 7 weeks, nearly 8, until mine finally arrived.....

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    I just got my Mutz frame, but it's a large and I'm more of a medium guy, so it's going back to get.a shrink ray treatment.

    So, for folks who wonder whether a fat bike is the right choice for your riding pleasure, I think you need to ask a different question:

    What riding will you do with the Mutz that you can't do as easily or with as much joy on your current bike(s)?

    I've got an FS 29er for climbing and all day epics, I've got a tandem for riding with my bride, what I want the Mutz for is crud and mud, steam rolling junk, flying down crazy trails with abandon without having to worry about ruts and baby heads.

    I wouldn't have a fat bike assay only bike, fortunately I have a very understanding wife :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pit View Post
    I had to wait 7 weeks, nearly 8, until mine finally arrived.....
    Most frustrating is the lack of information. Neither Foes and even less the french reseller are providing much status updates

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    Mutz in the wild


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    Looks nice.

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    RockShox needs to come out with a Pike Fat fork, which would be far better suited to the rough terrain that the mutz is capable of handling.....

    If a fat pike does come out this fall, I will probably sell my fat bike and my SC Heckler, and just ride the Mutz for all XC, trail, fat uses, even race it enduro. It would be a perfect match with my new FXR I got yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCHKeys View Post
    RockShox needs to come out with a Pike Fat fork, which would be far better suited to the rough terrain that the mutz is capable of handling.....

    If a fat pike does come out this fall, I will probably sell my fat bike and my SC Heckler, and just ride the Mutz for all XC, trail, fat uses, even race it enduro. It would be a perfect match with my new FXR I got yesterday.
    I use my mukluk for all riding and will use my Mutz (when arrives) for everything including the more tricky downhill single-track where I need to brake a lot on my mukluk (only front susp. and no dropper).

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    I use my mukluk for all riding and will use my Mutz (when arrives) for everything including the more tricky downhill single-track where I need to brake a lot on my mukluk (only front susp. and no dropper).
    I think once you really get to see what the Mutz can do, you will probably put the Mukluk away until winter time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonSauce View Post
    I think once you really get to see what the Mutz can do, you will probably put the Mukluk away until winter time.
    Chances are it will be Mutz for the winter too. Will depend if 45NRTH's "beists" pair will fit and if not, how VanHelga's behave in snow.

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