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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    Chances are it will be Mutz for the winter too. Will depend if 45NRTH's "beists" pair will fit and if not, how VanHelga's behave in snow.
    I rode mine a few times in the winter. Plowed right through some nasty stuff. Just adjusted my shocks to he super stiff or "locked out" which they truly aren't anyway. I am curious to know how your carbon wheels ride on the mutz also :-)

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    Hey Steve,

    The Mutz is a big deal. I ride mine for 3 month now all other California and not in the snow. I have the Stan's Hugo 52mm and run at 9.5 psi. It handle really good, is not bouncy and corner's crazy. The Rockshox Bluto is a little bit stiff but it you have the RL Damper it's ok. Since I got it I don't want ride my spe Enduro anymore. Too bad you are not in the Area I have 2 of them for demo.
    By the way I'm from Bordeaux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Bear View Post
    Hey Steve,

    The Mutz is a big deal. I ride mine for 3 month now all other California and not in the snow. I have the Stan's Hugo 52mm and run at 9.5 psi. It handle really good, is not bouncy and corner's crazy. The Rockshox Bluto is a little bit stiff but it you have the RL Damper it's ok. Since I got it I don't want ride my spe Enduro anymore. Too bad you are not in the Area I have 2 of them for demo.
    By the way I'm from Bordeaux.
    I heard about people replacing the damper of the bluto with the rct3 one. Unfortunately, i am not familiar enough with suspension fork internals to risk the replacement.

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    Our local dealer just got in these awesome frames! Colour galore, be forewarned!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Bear View Post
    Hey Steve,

    The Mutz is a big deal. I ride mine for 3 month now all other California and not in the snow. I have the Stan's Hugo 52mm and run at 9.5 psi. It handle really good, is not bouncy and corner's crazy. The Rockshox Bluto is a little bit stiff but it you have the RL Damper it's ok. Since I got it I don't want ride my spe Enduro anymore. Too bad you are not in the Area I have 2 of them for demo.
    By the way I'm from Bordeaux.

    Heheheeeee.....
    Hi Crazy Bear,
    Nice to see that someone put Hugo 52 on the Mutz, i think i'll do the same, but i still don't know which hub i'll choose....hope fatsno probably, easy to service and not very expensive, durable too i think.
    I won't be very far from you between the 04/27 and 05/06, i will have to work around Anglet, Biarritz and Bayonne.....unfortunately without my Mutz wheels, tires, cranks and brakes still to buy.....
    Maybe we'll meet in south of France one day......

    Cheers,

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    The Hope are a really good choice. Now I leave in Los Angeles so it's pretty fare but if pass by here let me know. I always have an extra Mutz ready to roll.

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    Yes I screwed up the rct3 is the one to get, the RL is not good for this bike. Your shop should be able to do it.

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    Is the seat tube angle on the Mutz really 70deg ?

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    yes it is.

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    Thanks for the confirmation.

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    How does the Mutz performed so far? Anyone has experience to share? What's your bike weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiger77 View Post
    How does the Mutz performed so far? Anyone has experience to share? What's your bike weight?
    I am interested as well although I will know soon... It is on its way (sometime this it should arrive at the French reseller and probably early next week in my hands).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiger77 View Post
    How does the Mutz performed so far? Anyone has experience to share? What's your bike weight?
    I've owned my Mutz for close to 3 months now. Have had the chance to try out everything from mud, snow, rock gardens, lose rock climbs. What specifically are you asking in terms of performance? The bike is more than capable of doing what you ask of it.

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    Mine was the 1st on the west coast (the orange one from Foes web site) I upgraded the components and now it's down to 32 lbs. I got it for fun but after a few rides it became my main bike. I take it for epic rides in the desert, fast DH trails or XC rides. I'm not into Strava but use it for my business. I got PR on climb and DH on all my rides since the Mutz. The traction is ridiculous, I can clear steep climbs that I couldn't before. It jumps good it's poppy and the landing is always plush. I can go on and on for hours saying how great it is but it's like trying to explain how sex is good to a virgin. You have to try one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Bear View Post
    Mine was the 1st on the west coast (the orange one from Foes web site) I upgraded the components and now it's down to 32 lbs. I got it for fun but after a few rides it became my main bike. I take it for epic rides in the desert, fast DH trails or XC rides. I'm not into Strava but use it for my business. I got PR on climb and DH on all my rides since the Mutz. The traction is ridiculous, I can clear steep climbs that I couldn't before. It jumps good it's poppy and the landing is always plush. I can go on and on for hours saying how great it is but it's like trying to explain how sex is good to a virgin. You have to try one.
    I'm currently just over 35 lbs. What did you change to get down to 32? Wheel set and tires? If so, which are you running?

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    I have the Hugo rims on Hope Fatsno . Hope E4 race and floating rotors. Race Face Next SL crank, Renthal Apex stem and Crank Brothers Iodine 11 handlebars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Bear View Post
    I have the Hugo rims on Hope Fatsno . Hope E4 race and floating rotors. Race Face Next SL crank, Renthal Apex stem and Crank Brothers Iodine 11 handlebars.
    What tires are you running on the 52's?

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    I have the 45north VanHelga

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Bear View Post
    I have the 45north VanHelga
    Ah ok sweet. How do you feel in steep climbs? Feel sluggish?

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    Not at all I run 9 psi the tire perform pretty good. The only down side is that, as I use my bike as an Enduro, the rims that are not made for this bent on rocks if I don't monitor my tire pressure and let it go to low. They are easy to bent back though, Stan's told me that there is a new generation of Hugos stronger. I got a set but I didn't try them yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Bear View Post
    Not at all I run 9 psi the tire perform pretty good. The only down side is that, as I use my bike as an Enduro, the rims that are not made for this bent on rocks if I don't monitor my tire pressure and let it go to low. They are easy to bent back though, Stan's told me that there is a new generation of Hugos stronger. I got a set but I didn't try them yet.
    Very interesting. I'm trying to find an option for lighter wheel set for a heavier rider like myself. I found out I could shave close to 2 lbs by keeping the marge lites, and getting a smaller tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonSauce View Post
    Very interesting. I'm trying to find an option for lighter wheel set for a heavier rider like myself. I found out I could shave close to 2 lbs by keeping the marge lites, and getting a smaller tire.

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    Have you tried Husker Du's? I switched my VH's for HuDus but haven't had a chance to ride on them yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolling In Peace View Post
    Have you tried Husker Du's? I switched my VH's for HuDus but haven't had a chance to ride on them yet
    Not yet. I had the chance to try some Dirt Wizards. They felt pretty good on the marge lites.

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    Hi Crazy Bear,

    Do you have pic of the combo VH/hugo 52 ?

    They seem to have fun with the Mutz in Italy....
    Watch this : https://www.facebook...05524562865694/

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    Quote Originally Posted by pit View Post
    Hi Crazy Bear,

    Do you have pic of the combo VH/hugo 52 ?

    They seem to have fun with the Mutz in Italy....
    Watch this : https://www.facebook...05524562865694/
    link isn't loading for me... copy and pasted correctly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pit View Post
    Thanks to FedEx , I need to wait until next week for mine ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pit View Post
    that looked super fun!

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    Thanks to FedEx , I need to wait until next week for mine ....
    Dang, at least you know it's coming though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    Thanks to FedEx , I need to wait until next week for mine ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolling In Peace View Post
    Frame: Mutz neon green medium (5' 10", 31" inseam)
    Headset: CC 40
    Fork: RockShox Bluto 120mm
    Shock: CC DBInline
    Bar: Easton Havoc Carbon 35 780mm
    Stem: Easton Havoc 35 50mm
    Grips: ODI Rogue
    Brakes: Shimano Zee
    Shifters: SRAM X01
    Ders: (Rear) SRAM X01
    Cassette: SRAM X01 11-speed
    Crankset: e13 28T M Direct mount
    Wheelset: (Front/Rear) Hope Fatsno hubs and Marge Lite rims
    Tires: (Front/Rear) 45NRTH Husker Du
    Seatpost: KS Integra stealth dropper
    Saddle: Chromag Trailmaster LTD
    Pedals: Shimano Saint platform

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    ......I think we won't regret when we'll have them built !!!

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    My frame finally arrived

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    Photos !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    My frame finally arrived
    Pictures :-)

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    Photos !!!
    Yes!^^

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    Here is a video of my Mutz in the desert of Pam Springs.
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    XL size in CandyRed

    Now the assembly

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post


    XL size in CandyRed

    Now the assembly
    Looks nice !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    L size in CandyRed

    Now the assembly
    I'm glad that it finally arrived. Don't forget to post a photo after it is built along with the build sheet

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    Nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolling In Peace View Post
    I'm glad that it finally arrived. Don't forget to post a photo after it is built along with the build sheet
    Build can only start Sunday afternoon as my wife planned things for the weekend leaving me not enough time to finish before Sunday morning (our weekly ride) . Old bike is donor for some parts (brakes, gears, crankset), so I can start after the ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    Build can only start Sunday afternoon as my wife planned things for the weekend leaving me not enough time to finish before Sunday morning (our weekly ride) . Old bike is donor for some parts (brakes, gears, crankset), so I can start after the ride.
    All good man. Keep us posted. Definitely want to see if up and running. :-)

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    How much travel do they set the rear shock at by default? 5 or 5.5"

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    How much travel do they set the rear shock at by default? 5 or 5.5"
    Which rear shock did you get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonSauce View Post
    Which rear shock did you get?

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    I got the DBinline but I now read that it seems to have a max weight... Not working well with air pressure set higher that 200psi. I will see the first rides and if needed, swap it out.

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    Here it's 5 in the bottom hole

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    Well, I've been riding my Mutz for a month now, so I figured I should finally post it up here. So far I've had it on the Slickrock Trail in Moab, some singletrack & urban trails around Colorado Springs, and some fun singletrack in Salida. What an awesome ride!
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    Last edited by HDTVdevil; 05-09-2015 at 06:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post



    First ride feeling ????

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    First ride was more to tune air pressures in shock and tired. But after 100km on it, I can say it rides fantastic.

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    Let us know your feeling when you'll have ride it more !!!

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    How is yours coming along?

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    Weel, the money was used for the purposes of more priority things these last monthes....
    Next week i'll order my new set of wheels i hope

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    Quote Originally Posted by pit View Post
    Weel, the money was used for the purposes of more priority things these last monthes....
    Next week i'll order my new set of wheels i hope
    Yeah, that can happen. Luckily I could transfer most from my old fatbike. Just need re-lace the nextie rims on Tune hubs to loose a bit of weight on the wheels. Running on a pair of Jackalopes for now.

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    Wow, dig all those colors!

    I got the stock red, was just droppling over it lunch, heading to my LBS to order the rest of the parts today.

    Compared to my other bikes and my "typical" cockpit layout, these frames run long. I'm 6'/32" inseam, I ride mediums in a Honzo, Atlas, KHS 6500, Lurch, etc... and I went with a medium Mutz. The TT is a good inch longer than my medium Atlas Carbon.

    Anyone try 29+ in this frame yet??

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    Our local dealer just got in these awesome frames! Colour galore, be forewarned!
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    Cool-blue Rhythm Coming together….

    Foes Mutz-20150529_191236_resized.jpgFoes Mutz-20150529_191303_resized.jpgFoes Mutz-20150529_191951_resized.jpg

    My King headset showed up yesterday so time to start assembling…27.5 x3.5 Fat be Nimbles are on the way. Hoping to ride this Baby by the end of next week.

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    Nice !!!
    I've just order the same rims but in 26 inches.....let us see How it'll look like with tire clearance in 27,5 ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by railntrail View Post
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    My King headset showed up yesterday so time to start assembling…27.5 x3.5 Fat be Nimbles are on the way. Hoping to ride this Baby by the end of next week.
    You may already know this but there have been some denting issues with 1st gen Hugo's. Supposedly solved with 2nd gen wheels although few, if any actual experiences reported. 2nd gen wheels are 110-120 g heavier but hard to tell the difference without weighing. Lots of info here http://forums.mtbr.com/27-5-29/stans...ms-960271.html and here Notubes Hugo 52mm Rim from page 4 and on.

    Good luck with your build! Love the Mutz!!

    update: I believe all 1st gen Hugo's are suspect as the design is the same.
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    I'm building up a second set of wheels for my Jefe Tandem, 29+ Dirt Wizards on WTB Scrapers and Onyx Racing hubs, got the rear wheel done and threw it on the Mutz.

    The tire fits, but just barely, leaves 5-6mm at 20psi at the seat and BB bridges. Supposedly the DW is a low profile 29+ tire, so anything taller would not be rideable.

    As it sits, the 29+ DW is usable on the Mutz in dry conditions only.

    I'll be running 27+ once I get the Mutz finished.

    I called Foes and asked about getting a longer swingarm and I asked if they had plans to modify the swingarm for 29+, but they said no

    Sorry, no pics, for some reason I can't upload them from this computer...

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    Foes Mutz-img_5032.jpgFoes Mutz-img_5025.jpgFoes Mutz-img_5003.jpgHere is my Mutz:
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    ^^Beautiful^^
    I'm trying very hard to not buy one of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pplucena View Post
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    Very cool photos. The raw frame looks great

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    Thanks.More photos coming:Foes Mutz-foes-2-.jpgFoes Mutz-img_4976.jpgFoes Mutz-foes-1.jpgFoes Mutz-img_5031.jpgFoes Mutz-img_5030.jpgFoes Mutz-img_5019.jpgFoes Mutz-img_5009.jpgFoes Mutz-img_5024.jpgFoes Mutz-img_4997.jpgFoes Mutz-img_2019.jpg

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    I have the FXR 275 in raw and love it, everyone at the bike park comes over to look at the bare aluminum. That Mutz is awesome. You are inspiring me to get rid of my Santa Cruz Heckler and pick up a Mutz and my every day trail bike....

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    Built one week ago, tuned up and ready

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefariousd View Post
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    Raw AND naked.....nice look'n Mutz!

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    I posted this over on the FS Fatty Compare thread:

    Got my Mutz built over the weekend, everything went together fine (no weirdness), running 650 x 3.25 Trax Fatty on Scrapers, 120 Bluto, Cane Creek in line set in "high position".

    This bike is a winner.

    No bob when pedaling uphill; climbs better than my Atlas, no weave when pedaling slow uphill, and it just plain slays it on the down.

    Granted, its still a lot of bike compared to an xc bike, but it's a whole lot more fun.

    How does it compare to the BS, well, i don't want anyone to get their hackles up, but suffice to say, I am very glad i waited

    I havent ridden a Khan, I'm sure its a fine bike, but I am satisfied now...though a beefy fork would be nice.

    Me: 6', 195, 32" inseam, long arms, average torso length.
    Current bikes: Atlas 29 fs medium, El Gran Jefe fat tandem lrg, Taro 29 med, Honzo 29 med (sold), khs 6500 med/lrg (sold), Lurch fat bike med, 650b/29"/36" munis.

    Med Mutz, Red
    120 Bluto, 110psi, two volume spacers
    Cane Creek in line, 100psi
    Race Face 170 Cinch, 26/36
    Scrapers, Onyx Racing Hubs, Trax Fatty 650 x 3.25 tube less, 11-40 (Wolf + 16t)
    TRP Spyke brakes, Speed Dial levers
    X Fusion hilo dropper post, wtb volt seat
    Mag pedals
    Kore bar and stem, ergo grips
    34.5#

    Update: Did some suspension tweaking last night while out riding, ended up dropping the fork pressure and shock pressure to make the ride more supple. I coudl see bumping pressures up or down depending on the terrain.

    It's a great bike, so much fun to ride, I can't really see any downsides. The bike rides short, the chainstay lengths are not an issue, it climbs great but it also manuals easilly.

    Just one post build pic:

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    Does anyone have a reaction to the MBA review of the mutz? They claim that the bike prefers slow speeds. More concerning for me is their conclusion that it will make a poor rider faster and a good rider slower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu Pidassle View Post
    Does anyone have a reaction to the MBA review of the mutz? They claim that the bike prefers slow speeds. More concerning for me is their conclusion that it will make a poor rider faster and a good rider slower.

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    I don't agree on the slow speed part. I only have my previous fatbike to compare with but I am definitely going faster than before.... Unless I would fall in their 'poor rider' category. But since I already have several top-10 times on some local strava segments (single-tracks), not that poor either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    I don't agree on the slow speed part. I only have my previous fatbike to compare with but I am definitely going faster than before.... Unless I would fall in their 'poor rider' category. But since I already have several top-10 times on some local strava segments (single-tracks), not that poor either.

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    Thanks, the conclusions seemed odd to me given my current fat bike and the other feedback on the mutz. Probably another example of MBA not liking anything that is not produced by specialized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu Pidassle View Post
    Thanks, the conclusions seemed odd to me given my current fat bike and the other feedback on the mutz. Probably another example of MBA not liking anything that is not produced by specialized.

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    Both uphill and downhill, I am faster than my riding buddies who have skinny tires in 26" and 29" (all hardtails though). On flat paved, they have gears advantage (triples with 54:11 vs my 32:10 xx1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu Pidassle View Post
    Does anyone have a reaction to the MBA review of the mutz? They claim that the bike prefers slow speeds. More concerning for me is their conclusion that it will make a poor rider faster and a good rider slower.

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    I was a little bummed: My frame was in the mail when I read the article, imagine my chagrin having just spent a grip on the frame, shock, etc.

    Frame came and I built it up apprehensively, hoping I hadn't done a bad thing.

    During my first ride I decided I won't be subscribing to MBA.

    You know what they say about opinions.

    Those guys aren't me and apparently have an entirely different personal definition of having fun.

    This is not me trying to make myself feel better for having spent big loot on a two wheeled tractor.

    I'm well aware of what it is and isn't and happen to be having fun.

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    Well, I must also be one of those poor riders made faster, cuz my skinny riding buddies don't seem to keep up with me when I'm bombing. Damn, I was gonna buy that issue of MBA....should I save my money?(I am a Mutz owner afterall, and every cent helps! lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRWLN View Post
    Damn, I was gonna buy that issue of MBA....should I save my money?(I am a Mutz owner afterall, and every cent helps! lol)
    The pictures are nice

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    Thanks guys, you have restored my dream. Until I read that article, I beleived the mutz was the love child of my kona satori and my hardtail fat bike. The perfect combo of fun and trail shredding capability.

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    Gonna try my 35mm gopro mount on mine this weekend, maybe I will have some trail shredding or downhill blasting to share

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    Foes Mutz by Monkeyhead-cycles from Switzerland
    14.40 kg!

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    Monster bike

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    Foes Mutz by Monkeyhead-cycles from Switzerland
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    Looks fantastic, one was for sale locally for $3k built but it was far too large, which is good for my wallet because I would have jumped on it.

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    Ummm, it's a bike, bikes roll, to say a bike has a speed preference suggests the reviewer either didn't have experience riding a fat bike or the bike was not properly set up. Their conclusion, "that it will make a poor rider faster and a good rider slower." is outright silliness.

    If anything, fat tires and a slack HA will increase downhill stability, so a bike like the Mutz is faster downhill in certain situations than other bikes. At the same time, a Mutz is not going to keep up with an XC bike on a straight, flat, level surface. Apples and oranges.

    In terms of how does the Mutz compare to other bikes of it's kind? Probably very similar, kind alike comparing similar bikes in other classes. I have limited time on a Bucksaw, but what I notice most in comparing the two bikes is that the Mutz climbs better (longer CS), has a higher "profile" (120 vs 100mm suspension), and is more playful (Foes design?).

    I think it's important to evaluate what you want from a bike and pick the class that maximizes your needs.

    In my case, since I'm running the Mutz as a 650b+, I could have gotten by or even done better with a dedicated B+ FS rig, BUT, the Mutz is also my winter bike, so I want to run fat tires too.

    My conclusion is that fat bikes have a higher fun factor than a typical mtb, not sure if that extra cush from the fat tires, the gnarly sounding buzz of the tires, or the feel I get from mowing down small children Fat bikes are not about efficiency any more than buying a lifted dually diesel is about increasing gas mileage.

    Oh, and the Mutz is a friggin fantastic bike

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    How many links do you guys add to the chain to account for the suspension. I have 2 broken KMC chains (at full 116 links length) in 6 weeks.

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    I haven't added any. I have a 32 in front, 42 WT, goat link, 1051 chain (114 link), xt long cage. Still have quite a bit of slack in the cage at full compression. I'm using full travel on landings.

    I was told by Timberline I would probably have to add some so I
    bought two chains, but when I was setting it up I cycled the suspension w/o shock and it seemed like I had enough give.

    Maybe I'm just lucky?

    now if I could just figure out the creaky a$$ bottom bracket................Nothing like a $5k bike that sounds like my 1973 huffy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefariousd View Post
    I haven't added any. I have a 32 in front, 42 WT, goat link, 1051 chain (114 link), xt long cage. Still have quite a bit of slack in the cage at full compression. I'm using full travel on landings.

    I was told by Timberline I would probably have to add some so I
    bought two chains, but when I was setting it up I cycled the suspension w/o shock and it seemed like I had enough give.

    Maybe I'm just lucky?

    now if I could just figure out the creaky a$$ bottom bracket................Nothing like a $5k bike that sounds like my 1973 huffy
    Strange. Am running sram xx1 with 32t front, so should work with the same length. Yesterday, at the bottom of a steep single-track and powering to climb a steep one, it broke. I will check the length when the new Chai is delivered.
    Even 2 breakage points:

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    None, I'm running 2 x 10, which works killer BTW

    Chain break is the price you pay running 1 x.

    Add a chain guard and then increase the chain length.

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    How many links do you guys add to the chain to account for the suspension. I have 2 broken KMC chains (at full 116 links length) in 6 weeks.

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    This is interesting. I'm gonna put a 32 on one, and explore this closer. In the meantime, you might like a 30t on there... or even a 28?

    Once you get your new chain on there, definitely put 'er in the 42t, remove the rear shock bolt, and cycle the swingarm. If there's any forward spring still available in the xx1 at full travel, you're good. But I'd still consider that 30t to ease some of the chain trauma.

    Quote Originally Posted by HDTVdevil View Post
    How many links do you guys add to the chain to account for the suspension. I have 2 broken KMC chains (at full 116 links length) in 6 weeks.

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    Foes Mutz "USA"

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    Though I had fun doing the Snowshoe Enduro this weekend on my FXR275, my greatest regret is holding off on the purchase of a Mutz. The absolutely horrible weather causing nonstop mud would have been the perfect conditions for the Mutz to excel in the enduro format. That race has sealed the deal, as soon as i can save my pennies, I will get one...

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    More Mutz:

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    Great friggin bike, hauls arse, I'm riding waaaay to fast

    I'm pining for some Nobby Nic 3"; the Trax Fattys are a bit slippery on loose soils.

    I have a 120mm Bluto, no volume spacers, ~90psi and a CC Inline, set close to factory specs, (I increased low speed rebound a bit because it felt spongy), ~ 120psi which uses up 90-95% of the travel on a big hit ride.

    I've played around with the fork quite a bit, looking for a good set up that matched the shock. Started with two volume spacers and higher air pressure, gradually worked down to a softer overall setting.

    The shock is still a mystery to me, so I am only making small changes. I probably need to get on the CC Inline set up thread and do some edumacating.

    I'm 5'11", 31-32" inseam, 195#, normal arms and legs, and I ride a medium frame. Mine is set up with 730mm bars, 80mm stem, 170mm crank, and a non setback dropper (seat centered). I could probably ride a large frame, though I'd need a much shorter stem (50-60mm).

    So here's the thing: The Mutz is looong, this is not a bad thing, but if you pick a bigger frame it makes it even longer and taller. The ETT on the Mutz is typical for the frame size, but the top tube is set fairly high for a bike of this kind, the seat tube ends low (lots of seat post showing), the BB is set back (promotes seat set back), and the chainstays are long.

    If you like air, riding fast, and come from a more enduro mindset, the Mutz is a better choice than the BS; it just plain has more suspension and burl. I'll admit, the KK is pretty darn beautiful and I am a Weagle suspension fanboy, BUT the Mutz single pivot suspension works well on the up and down; ie this should be a non issue when making a decision.

    I run a 2 x 10 and the KK is a 1 x 10, admittedly I rarely use the big chairing, BUT I like choices and I like to go fast. I do wish the Mutz had a place for a water bottle as my dog often goes with me; the KK has a bottle cage mount. I tried mounting to the stem and seat post, those were a no go, so I'll probably end up mounting something up high on the seat or strapping a big bottle crossways on the bar.

    The Mutz is not cheap, the KK is really expensive, but when you're spending big money it probably doesn't matter a lot.

    Mutz wish list:
    Water bottle mount
    Sliding drop outs to accommodate a 27.5 x 2.8 to a 29 X 3
    A beefier fork than the Bluto

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    Great friggin bike, hauls arse, I'm riding waaaay to fast

    I'm pining for some Nobby Nic 3"; the Trax Fattys are a bit slippery on loose soils.

    I have a 120mm Bluto, no volume spacers, ~90psi and a CC Inline, set close to factory specs, (I increased low speed rebound a bit because it felt spongy), ~ 120psi which uses up 90-95% of the travel on a big hit ride.

    I've played around with the fork quite a bit, looking for a good set up that matched the shock. Started with two volume spacers and higher air pressure, gradually worked down to a softer overall setting.

    The shock is still a mystery to me, so I am only making small changes. I probably need to get on the CC Inline set up thread and do some edumacating.

    I'm 5'11", 31-32" inseam, 195#, normal arms and legs, and I ride a medium frame. Mine is set up with 730mm bars, 80mm stem, 170mm crank, and a non setback dropper (seat centered). I could probably ride a large frame, though I'd need a much shorter stem (50-60mm).

    So here's the thing: The Mutz is looong, this is not a bad thing, but if you pick a bigger frame it makes it even longer and taller. The ETT on the Mutz is typical for the frame size, but the top tube is set fairly high for a bike of this kind, the seat tube ends low (lots of seat post showing), the BB is set back (promotes seat set back), and the chainstays are long.

    If you like air, riding fast, and come from a more enduro mindset, the Mutz is a better choice than the BS; it just plain has more suspension and burl. I'll admit, the KK is pretty darn beautiful and I am a Weagle suspension fanboy, BUT the Mutz single pivot suspension works well on the up and down; ie this should be a non issue when making a decision.

    I run a 2 x 10 and the KK is a 1 x 10, admittedly I rarely use the big chairing, BUT I like choices and I like to go fast. I do wish the Mutz had a place for a water bottle as my dog often goes with me; the KK has a bottle cage mount. I tried mounting to the stem and seat post, those were a no go, so I'll probably end up mounting something up high on the seat or strapping a big bottle crossways on the bar.

    The Mutz is not cheap, the KK is really expensive, but when you're spending big money it probably doesn't matter a lot.

    Mutz wish list:
    Water bottle mount
    Sliding drop outs to accommodate a 27.5 x 2.8 to a 29 X 3
    A beefier fork than the Bluto
    Nice ride and a very helpful post. I am the same height and inseam and have come to the same conclusion on sizing. I hope to set up a test ride to make the final call. What are you running for rim width?

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    I run WTB Scrapers (45mm id).

    Where do you live?

    I'm helping a buddy with a Mutz build, size Large, once it's done I can post pics and measurements.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stu Pidassle View Post
    Nice ride and a very helpful post. I am the same height and inseam and have come to the same conclusion on sizing. I hope to set up a test ride to make the final call. What are you running for rim width?

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    I live in Mass, we have pretty rough trails. I think a wider rim would take a beating in the summer. the shop I plan on going through is Likin' Bikin' in Alton, nh. Kind of new to fat bike set up would like to see your buddies set up.

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    I just moved from TN, similar terrain to MA, tons of rocks and roots, I'm now living in the land of rocks (Central WA). Rim shots are rare with fat tires, the Scraper takes them as well as any. I'm not sure CF is better for rocks, after building a set for a buddy I get the impression that they would chip vs scratch, so maybe that's worse?

    For rough terrain, loose rocks, jumbled rock, a 2.8-3" tires is good; big rocks ping off stuff more. I like the fatter tires for packed or slickrock.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stu Pidassle View Post
    I live in Mass, we have pretty rough trails. I think a wider rim would take a beating in the summer. the shop I plan on going through is Likin' Bikin' in Alton, nh. Kind of new to fat bike set up would like to see your buddies set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    I just moved from TN, similar terrain to MA, tons of rocks and roots, I'm now living in the land of rocks (Central WA). Rim shots are rare with fat tires, the Scraper takes them as well as any. I'm not sure CF is better for rocks, after building a set for a buddy I get the impression that they would chip vs scratch, so maybe that's worse?

    For rough terrain, loose rocks, jumbled rock, a 2.8-3" tires is good; big rocks ping off stuff more. I like the fatter tires for packed or slickrock.
    I realized after my reply that you seem to by riding a 27.5+ where I am looking at a traditional fat bike with 4 inch tires. I am thinking that I should go with 65mm rims on a year round bike, based on my limited experience with a hardtail fat bike and comments from others who ride their wide rims in the summer. This also seems like a good opportunity to save a bit of weight. The issue is that there does not seem to be a lot of options if I don't stick with 80mm.

    Am I over thinking this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu Pidassle View Post
    I realized after my reply that you seem to by riding a 27.5+ where I am looking at a traditional fat bike with 4 inch tires. I am thinking that I should go with 65mm rims on a year round bike, based on my limited experience with a hardtail fat bike and comments from others who ride their wide rims in the summer. This also seems like a good opportunity to save a bit of weight. The issue is that there does not seem to be a lot of options if I don't stick with 80mm.

    Am I over thinking this?
    I'm actually running 80's with Fat B Nimbles. I'm using cheap origin8 wheels at ~$80 per because I tend to try things that often result in bent rims. I almost went 27.5+, but I was pressed for time and could only get one tire.

    My experience has been pretty positive with the wide wheels, though I must admit I'm still really curious about taking down the rolling resistance on hard pack a bit since that is the surface I primarily ride on.

    Nurse Ben where in WA are you? I'd be interested in checking out your set up before I spend the coin to build a second wheel set

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    Wenatchee.

    The Mutz is great with a fat 650b, the 3.25 Trax Fatty are kinda rotund but still skinny compared to 26" fatties. I'm waiting on some more aggressive 650 tires to finish the dry season, then for winter I'll revert to 26 x 4 studded.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nefariousd View Post
    I'm actually running 80's with Fat B Nimbles. I'm using cheap origin8 wheels at ~$80 per because I tend to try things that often result in bent rims. I almost went 27.5+, but I was pressed for time and could only get one tire.

    My experience has been pretty positive with the wide wheels, though I must admit I'm still really curious about taking down the rolling resistance on hard pack a bit since that is the surface I primarily ride on.

    Nurse Ben where in WA are you? I'd be interested in checking out your set up before I spend the coin to build a second wheel set

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    I've been riding my Mutz on all mountain terrain since winter. Lots of snow, mud, rocks, jumps, drops, and everything in between. Mostly at 6,000-10,000 feet altitude.
    I trashed the Bluto pretty quickly, and that fork definitely didn't like a 203mm rotor up front. Way too much flex and chatter with the bigger front brake.
    I had Mike V. from Timberline Cycles order me up a new Risse Trixxy double crown inverted fat bike fork. The one for up to 5" tires. ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS FORK!! Stiff as a DH fork, but not much heavier than the Bluto. And it's smooth as butter!

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    Here is my Mutz with the Trixxy fork. As you can see, it has taken me 7 years to figure out how to post pictures on here. Lol.





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    Thanks for the heads up, I had tried to get ahold of Risse a couple months back when I built my Jefe Tandem, but they never returned my calls or emails. I tried them again tonight after I saw your fork and they answered the phone!!

    My fork is ordered, a week or two lag time, I am sooooo stoked!!

    If it works out, then my Mutz will get one too.

    How I ordered:

    150 x 15, spacers are inset into the fork legs to adjust down from 20mm.

    Travel range is user dependent, I wanted 80-120 adjusted by changing internal spacers, I chose to have it preset at 100mm.

    I got a taper steer tube, total length is ~10", so ample for a tall head tube and mucho spacers.

    The legs can be adjusted in the clamps to change ride height. I'm running 29+ Dirt Wizards, so they may need to build it with a longer damper

    Total weight is ~6.5#, kinda hefty, but for a tandem with a team weight of 340#, we need that burliness.

    All I need now are fork leg protectors


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    What is the weight of the trixxy for the Mutz? Or is it the same weight for as the one you mentioned for the tandem?

    Spoke with my shop about a Mutz with a CCDB air CS and a set of I9 and whiskey rims. The fork is still the question in the build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCHKeys View Post
    What is the weight of the trixxy for the Mutz? Or is it the same weight for as the one you mentioned for the tandem?

    Spoke with my shop about a Mutz with a CCDB air CS and a set of I9 and whiskey rims. The fork is still the question in the build.
    I think mine came in at about 6lbs. Don't remember exactly. The bike is a big fat tank, so I'm not too concerned about a pound here or a pound there.
    The way I see it, if the bike is heavier, you get stronger. And the ability to blast over any terrain with confidence and have big brakes made it worth it for me! The Bluto made me very nervous.

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    A big fat tank that rides very well.

    I hadn't been on my Atlas 29er for three weeks, ever since I brought the Mutz home.

    I blew the damper n my Bluto, so I had to ride the Atlas yesterday. All I can say is that the Mutz is better in every way other than it's heft.

    The Mutz is not huge by any stretch, but the heft it has is important in how a bike like the Mutz rides. It's sorta like wanting a truck to tow a trailer and not wanting to get a full sized truck: You get blown around and you bog up the hills.

    The Bluto doesn't make me nervous, it works fine, but it is kinda skinny/flexy and it's not the best performing fork I have ridden. I haven't ridden a Trixxy, so I'll try it on my tandem first. If it is a great fork, then I'll consider adding one to my Mutz. I am also waiting on RS to release a burly fat bike fork...

    Anyone wanna buy a carbon Atlas?

    Quote Originally Posted by LAWS View Post
    I think mine came in at about 6lbs. Don't remember exactly. The bike is a big fat tank, so I'm not too concerned about a pound here or a pound there.
    The way I see it, if the bike is heavier, you get stronger. And the ability to blast over any terrain with confidence and have big brakes made it worth it for me! The Bluto made me very nervous.

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    i have a test ride scheduled for tomorrow. my hope is that the bike will bring fat tire benefits to a trail/am/enduro platform. i am looking for the fat tire version of a go anywhere do anything bike. for those who have real world experience, is there anything that i should pay attention to on the ride?

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