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    The Felt DD Thread - DD70, DD30 and DD10

    There is a bit of info here and there about these fatbikes, but nothing centralized in one thread. So let's start a thread about all things Felt fatbikes. Mods that work, mods that don't work and things we like and don't like about them.

    Here is a thread that was started specifically about the DD70, but spilled into the DD30 as well. It's been dormant. I'm putting it here because it contains useful info about the two models.

    Felt Double Double 70

    There are three models for 2016: the DD70 (black), the DD30 (blue) and the DD10 (army green).

    I've owned a DD30 for a few months now. I really like it. To me, the bike is well spec'd at a good price.

    I find the Deore brakes to have excellent modulation. The carbon bar dampens vibration very well. The 15x150 and 12x197 thru-axle hubs allow for Bluto and tire upgrades. The Jumbo Jim 4.0s supplied with the bike roll well, are very light and I find them to be great all-around tires. They will be replaced by a second set of tires for winter riding (Nates for the time being, but likely something bigger soon now that I own a fatbike that can take bigger tires).

    I like the way it rides, and I like the way it looks.

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    I added a few purple parts to the bike. Straitline De Facto pedals, Salsa seat collar, Salsa stem cap, and some purple Duck tape on the rims for good measure:

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    I went on a short bikepacking trip a few weeks back and tried fitting a rear rack to carry some of my gear. First, I tried to fit an Axiom Fatliner rack, but the rack does not fil properly, at least not stock. The Axiom rack sat way too high up, as high as my saddle. This is because the Fatliner rack is made to be attached to eyelets that are located where the chainstays and seatstays meet, right above the QR or thru-axle. The DD30 has eyelets that are located higher than that, on the seatstays, right above the brake calipers.

    I found a rack that works well with the DD30, at least with my small frame: the Surly rear rack. It clears the 4.0 tire with a ton of room to spare. I bent the rack sides outward just a tiny bit (it's steel, so it's all good) so that I could attach the rack to the eyelets on the inside of the frame. I used V-brake spacers to fill in the gap between the frame and the rack.

    The rack arms that came with the Surly rack were too short, so I used the Axiom rack arms instead (280mm long).

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    I have a few questions for fellow DD owners:

    - Has anyone gone tubeless with the stock rims?

    - How do Bud/Lou or the Beists fit in the frame?

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    The DDs seem to be popular in Europe. I found DD threads on MTB forums in Germany and Finland. I can't read either language, but Google translate does an OK job. You get the gist anyway .

    Felt Double Double | MTB-News.de

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    I was going through the German thread and found pictures of a DD30 with Jumbo Jim 4.8s on stock rims (at p. 37) :

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    In that post, the guys says the JJs were mounted with tubes, at 14.5 PSI (1 bar), the tires measured 112mm wide, 755mm height. He said there is a slight chain rub in lowest gear.

    This other guy (at pp. 38 and 40 of the same thread) put Jumbo Jim 4.8s on 90mm rims. He claims they fit well (no mention of rubbing), the tires were measured at 113mm wide and there was a 7mm clearance on each side of the frame. See for yourself:

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    OP: what's your height/inseam?

    I've seen the bike in person and the paint job is amazing.

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    I'm 5' 7" with a 30" inseam. I ride a small. The DD has a long effective top tube. I tried a medium and it's too big for me, even with a short stem.

    I agree, the paint job is striking.

    I couldn't resist posting another picture from the German thread (at p. 35). Here is a DD30 with BFLs on silver Clown Shoes:

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    We're the same height but 28" inseam. Do you have clearance? This is what worries me the most. I wished Felt would re-think on making XS sizes in their FBs.

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    I have standover but obviously not as much as on some other fatbikes with sloping toptubes à la 9zero7, Norco, etc.

    With a 28" inseam at 5'7", you must have a long torso. IMO, you'd fit well on a small DD, but the only way to find out is to try one out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by simasona View Post

    I have a few questions for fellow DD owners:

    - Has anyone gone tubeless with the stock rims?

    - How do Bud/Lou or the Beists fit in the frame?
    1. Tried several times to go tubeless with the stock rims - failed both times because of the silly little bead seat that is on this rim. It is narrow and rounded - so while at high pressure (15 psi), it will pop onto the seat and stay on - the tire literally falls off the bead as you lower pressure < 10psi.

    The solution was to buy a set of DT BR2250 wheels.

    2. This guy fits a lou on a Nextie 90mm rim and still has clearance.
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    There is even more clearance in the fork.


    I love my DD30. Bought it in Feb 15 and ended up riding it all summer. I've added BR2250 wheels, a Jones loop bar and a Chinese carbon fork.


    I've weighed many of the parts, but have the listing at home. Off the top of my head:
    Bars: 175g
    Fork: 1400g (with steerer for XL frame)
    Front wheel: 1450g
    Rear wheel: 1600g
    and my JJ 4.0 tires are just over 1100g each.

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    Hey Scot, I'd seen your post on the Fat Bikes FB page last night and thought it'd be great to see your input here! Nice upgrades you've done to your bike. What's the fork like? Is this an Ebay find? It'd be great if you could list the other parts you've weighted when you get a chance.

    So, based on your experience, it's possible to run the stock wheels tubeless, just not a low pressures... Which kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it! What techniques did you try? Did you try it with the JJs 4.0 or with other tires? I've read about a guy on a French Mtb forum who was able to set them up ghetto tubeless, but there was no mention about running low pressures...

    Good to know that Lou fits in the back. There's no issue running Bud up front, the stock fork is so wide! A friend of mine runs Bud and Lou in the winter, I'll see if I can borrow them for a few days to try 'em out when we get snow.

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    The fork was $180 from a supplier that posts in the FB fatbike forums - but I'm not ready to recommend it just yet. It's built well except I don't like the axle they sent with it - its diameter is slightly smaller than the 12mm axle that comes with our forks - and the thread is different. This bugs me because it leaves a little "slop" between the axle and hub interface which makes it necessary to rely on the clamping load of the skewer to keep the front wheel tight. The axle has a weird / clunky / delicate interface that seems like it could break easily if it was over-tightened.

    With respect to running tubeless on the stock wheels - I don't know if I would trust the tires to stay inflated when I rode it. I only had tried it with the Jumbo Jims - but I currently am using the rims to hold a set of snowshoe XL's while I stud them. I was going to take a video last night while I pulled the valve core and the tire deflated to see if it fell off the rim as it deflated. If I have time tonight, I'll give that a try to see how the Vee Rubber does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simasona View Post
    It'd be great if you could list the other parts you've weighted when you get a chance.
    From the other thread:
    Tires: 1090g & 1048g
    seat: 268g
    post: 292g
    tubes: 428g & 434g
    Cassette: 380g
    stem: 148g

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    Thanks for the info! For the time being, I replaced the tubes with extralight Q-tubes (made by Kenda) at about 250g. each. The rest of the bike is stock.

    How did the Snowshoe XLs hold up? Did you have better luck than with the JJs?

    Are you happy with the DT Swiss wheelset?

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    I haven't run the XL's yet - waiting for snow.
    My JJ's are still doing awesome and don't show much wear for ~500 miles of use.

    Super happy with the wheelset - noticed an immediate difference in how the bike rode, but to tell you the truth, the OEM wheelset is still pretty sweet - and tempting me to build another bike around them.

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    well I have a dd70 and a Bluto fork,upgraded disks and shimano hyd.brakes and love the bike so far.

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    felt dd70

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    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed40 View Post
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    Nice bike! The black frame looks great. Is that a 100mm or 120mm Bluto?

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    120mm,it helped ALOT!

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    hello all, here is my DD10, had it since october and i love it. only changed the grips and pedals so far, the four mudguards are from various places including the rear which i made myself. pictured here on a local wildlife reserve a couple of days ago
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    I was able to borrow Bud and Lou for a few days, great fit on the stock rims. No rubbing at low pressures (about 4-5 psi). It was my first experience on 5" tires. Needless to say, it was very positive!

    I also added a basic KS eTen-R dropper post. I like it. It works well so far all the way to -10C. It slowed down for me at -15C, but it still worked.

    Here is a pic taken this morning in Gatineau Park, Québec.

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    Nice picture! Still waiting on snow...

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    Anyone put 27.5+ wheels on their DD yet? Or maybe even 29"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kryten View Post
    Anyone put 27.5+ wheels on their DD yet? Or maybe even 29"?
    Kryten, both 27.5+ and 29+ should fit. The bike was designed to take 26x4.8s like Bud and Lou. There is absolutely no issue with respect to a 27.5+ 3" tire, which is approx. equivalent in diameter to a 26x4.0" tire. It should also fit a 29+ 3" tire, which is just a little taller than a 4.8".

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    For example:

    A Nate on an 82mm rim is said to measure 749mm in diameter.
    A Bud on an 82mm rim is said to measure 762 in diameter.
    A Knard 29x3.0 tire will have a diameter or 779.4mm (at 19psi).
    A Knard 3.0 tire on a Velocity P35 will have a diameter of 778.6mm.

    Oh, yeah, since we're on the topic of tire sizes that fit on the Felt, it seems that you can fit a 26x 5.05 2XL up front:

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    Update on my DD30, 7 months in

    An update on my Felt DD30:

    I bought a DD30 in October and enjoyed riding it on trails waiting for the winter to arrive here in the Northeast. I went out and bought a set of Vee Snowshoe XL Studded 4.8" tires so I could attack both trails and roads in the ice-fest that southern New England (particularly near the coastline) is famous for -- further north, there's minimal icing because things don't thaw and re-freeze as often.

    Of course, the winter was a complete bust after three brutal winters in a row. I went out in all three of the storms that dumped more than 1" in our area (only one was decent at 8") so I put a grand total of about 27 miles on the $320 worth of snow tires, about the same cost per mile as driving a Lamborghini Aventador. Sigh.

    In early March, I saw a blog post with some orange 4.0" tires, which I first thought were a little ridiculous, but which I eventually realized were a great complementary color to the blue paint on the DD30. Took a surprising amount of effort but I was finally able to track down a pair, though I don't think they'll have any more because they seem to have made a small batch as a one-off, rather than introducing it as an ongoing product.

    I ended up accessorizing the bike with orange bottle cages and grips, orange and blue bottles and with Crank Brothers Double Shot pedals (in orange), which have SPD clips on one side and platforms on the other, giving me flexibility in how I ride. Now I can bomb around town in Nike's or I can clip in for longer rides, which is really cool. The original tubes had orange screw-on caps, which was a nice extra. I thought about orange rim strips but a) Surly is out of stock for the season and b) it probably won't look good if the color of the strip and tire are not a close match.

    Am still happy with the bike. The common complaint of rims that won't support tubeless is not relevant to me since I haven't yet decided to take the leap. I'm thinking that I may rebuild the wheels in the fall, mostly to get a Shutter Precision fat bike dynamo on the front, making it easier to ride at night in winter, in case I get caught out late coming back from a ride. If I'm gonna do that, then I should also get the rear wheel hand built at the same time just to make it last longer, since I'm 6'0" and 250 and tend to trash wheels. At that point, given the cost of the gen hub and the labor to rebuild the wheels, it's no big deal to put tubeless-ready rims on there.

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    Wow KidCharlemagne, I dig the orange and blue combination!

    I've used Deore LX and XT Shimano dynamo hubs on my commuter bikes for the past 6 years. I've paired them up with B+M lights. I'm very happy with them. I've heard great things about SP dynamos, I have no doubt you'd be happy with it.

    One thing that I've noticed with my Shimano dynamo hub+B+M combo is that at low speed, the LED light doesn't really shine, it flickers. This happens, for example, when I'm climbing a steep hill. If you're a slow, diesel-type climber, you might find this flickering annoying. If you're a mountain goat, though, this would be a non-issue

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    Hi guys, anyone tell me if im able to fit a dropper post with internal cable to my DD10, such as reverb stealth and what size the diamater, is it 34.9?

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    I'm not sure about the DD10, but I was able to make an internal dropper work on my DD30. I'm using a 30.9mm Thomson post with the cable routed through the old front derailleur holes.
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    hi scot,

    thanks for reply

    yeh thats what i was thinking, running the cable through the holes for the front derailer, ive never fitted cables internally before, is it easy enough to do, any special tools needed?

    My local dealer seems to think its a 34.9 seat post, but on the Felt website it says:

    Felt carbon shaft w/ forged head, micro-adjust, 15mm offset, Ø30.9 SM (350MM) MD/LG (400MM)

    so ive emailed Felt direct, just awaiting a reply

    cheers
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    Well, as i typed this I recieved a response from Felt:

    The DD10 fatbike is not able to accommodate a dropper post with internal cables. It doesn’t have the proper access from the down tube into the seat tube.

    How did you manage to install yours?

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    If you take the bottom bracket out, you can see where both downtube and seattube extend into the BB shell. I notched the tubes with a dremel grinder to let the cable transition / bend easier. The DD30 comes with a front derailleur that I removed to go 1x10, so I had the openings in the frame for that - I don't know how that's done on the DD10 with 1x already used.
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    Hiya :-)

    Great stuff thanks for reply, on my frame it has the holes for the front derailer cables so i can use them, is bottom bracket easy enough to take out, never actually took one out before!

    Thanks again :-)
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    On my DD70 I'm using a KS Supernatural dropper and its 30.9mm The cable is external so I can't help you there.
    With the right tool (16-notch 44mm OD) the Bottom Bracket just screws out. Remember the drive side is left hand thread.
    Edster75 had an issue with the threads in his bottom bracket being booger-ed up when he took it off for the first time.

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    Thanks guys, im going to my local bike shop as they said they will fit it for me for around £20 :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by simasona View Post
    Kryten, both 27.5+ and 29+ should fit. The bike was designed to take 26x4.8s like Bud and Lou. There is absolutely no issue with respect to a 27.5+ 3" tire, which is approx. equivalent in diameter to a 26x4.0" tire. It should also fit a 29+ 3" tire, which is just a little taller than a 4.8".

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    For example:

    A Nate on an 82mm rim is said to measure 749mm in diameter.
    A Bud on an 82mm rim is said to measure 762 in diameter.
    A Knard 29x3.0 tire will have a diameter or 779.4mm (at 19psi).
    A Knard 3.0 tire on a Velocity P35 will have a diameter of 778.6mm.

    Oh, yeah, since we're on the topic of tire sizes that fit on the Felt, it seems that you can fit a 26x 5.05 2XL up front:

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    found this article on bikerumour trying to figure out how to fit 27.5 x 3" and what to source

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    Quote Originally Posted by simasona View Post
    Thanks for the info! For the time being, I replaced the tubes with extralight Q-tubes (made by Kenda) at about 250g. each.
    Did you happen to weigh the stock tubes? I'm curious what the weight difference is.

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    Have any DD30 owners gotten their seatpost replaced as part of the recall? I'm curious if the replacement is still carbon fiber or if it's something less desirable. http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Recalls/2016/...ber-Seatposts/

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    I have not - I have a dropper and I put a thudbuster on my GF's DD30 - so I have two CF seatposts I need to take to a felt dealer and get replaced. The post on the 2016 is aluminum, so I'd bet that's what the replacement is.
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    Tubeless

    Hi, my first post here. I've read the discussions and taken on board advise from yee guys. Thanks.
    I've had the same problem getting the tyre to seat tubeless on the tiny bead wall without high pressure. I even filled the centre cavity with foam and tape. No good.
    I resorted to rebuilding, so I kept my standard hubs. Rebuilt the wheels with good quality DT swiss spokes and 80mm Mulefut rims.
    Perfection!
    Mounted 4.8 Maxxis Minions.
    Currently running 8psi rear and 9 front with the bluto.
    Now tubeless is a breeze & loads of clearance for the 4.8s.
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    Great looking bike! Pedals and cages complement well.

    Also, the new models are up on the website.

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    Other two new colors I don't really care for, however, I think this looks killer.

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    I see no real details on exactly which rims they've used. But hopefully they've changed. It cost me plenty to rebuild my wheels so I could go tubeless.

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    Has anyone put hydros on a 70? Curious about spacers for the caliper mounts. Thanks in advance.

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    I put a set of Shimano SLX M675 brakes and RT66 rotors 180mm front and 160mm rear.
    Just reused the spacer that came with the bike for the front. No spacer needed for the rear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by orangutanracer View Post
    I put a set of Shimano SLX M675 brakes and RT66 rotors 180mm front and 160mm rear.
    Just reused the spacer that came with the bike for the front. No spacer needed for the rear.


    Cool thanks. How is it routing the brake line thru the frame? I don't have my bike yet it's on it's way so I can't visually see how it would be. I'm guessing they fit just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrambler900 View Post
    Cool thanks. How is it routing the brake line thru the frame? I don't have my bike yet it's on it's way so I can't visually see how it would be. I'm guessing they fit just fine.
    It was easy. I just attached/taped the new brake line to the old brake cable housing and pushed the new line threw the frame while gently pulling out the old cable and housing. Then I cut off the extra line, put on an olive and the connecting insert, reconnected the line to brake lever, and bled the brakes.

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    Zee 4pots fit grand too.
    Just be careful with that rear bolt on the back brake.
    It's difficult to get at as its close to the frame. can be easy to crosstread and damage the frame mount.
    The Felt DD Thread - DD70, DD30 and DD10-img_20160813_234927.jpgThe Felt DD Thread - DD70, DD30 and DD10-img_20160813_234907.jpg

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    That rear caliper mounting screw was a pain.
    I started the screw with my fingers to be sure it wasn't cross threaded. I used a hex bit in a 1/4" socket and a long 1/4" drive extension to clear the frame to tighten it with a ratchet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangutanracer View Post
    It was easy. I just attached/taped the new brake line to the old brake cable housing and pushed the new line threw the frame while gently pulling out the old cable and housing. Then I cut off the extra line, put on an olive and the connecting insert, reconnected the line to brake lever, and bled the brakes.
    So the line will fit thru the frame with the banjo fitting on it then, that is what I was curious about more than anything else. I should have my bike in a few days. I cant wait. First fat bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrambler900 View Post
    So the line will fit thru the frame with the banjo fitting on it then, that is what I was curious about more than anything else. I should have my bike in a few days. I cant wait. First fat bike.
    No the banjo fitting won't fit threw the frame.
    The brakes came with an extra olive and connecting insert but no extra banjo washers. So I left the banjo fitting on the caliper alone. I cut off the fitting that attaches to the lever and taped the new brake line to the old brake cable housing and fed it threw starting from the rear of the bike.

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    Cool, thanks for the info. Where did you order the from? I see them all over ebay as take offs, etc...

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