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    Fatsno rear hub bearing issue (already!)

    They lasted 2.5 months and maybe 10 days of regular old single track riding. Not destroyed but very rough. Not a good sign. I can't find any info on bearing size or part #. I'm going to check for # on old bearing or drop off at LBS and let them handle it. I wonder if there is a ceramic option. Any one else having problems already? Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgeworker View Post
    They lasted 2.5 months and maybe 10 days of regular old single track riding. Not destroyed but very rough. Not a good sign. I can't find any info on bearing size or part #. I'm going to check for # on old bearing or drop off at LBS and let them handle it. I wonder if there is a ceramic option. Any one else having problems already? Thoughts?
    The bearing numbers are on the bearings.....or a call to Hope should get you what you need.
    A few people here said they had bearing issues.....I got over a 2K miles on mine last year without issue. ( and have a few hundred on a new set of hubs)
    Don't waste your money on ceramic

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    Hope makes a good hub but the bearing are garbage. They will tell you the new hubs have good bearing, but I had about the same experience as you. Hope sent replacement bearing for me to my LBS but they looked like the bad set, I would not waste my time installing them. I took the old bearings out went to my local bearing supply house and for about $ 75 gave new Endo bearings they have worked great. ( I had more than one bearing that was bad in my hub with probably less than 500 miles on it and when i removed the seals the grease inside the failed bearing had no sign of water or anything else that was not suppose to be there )

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    I had about 100 miles on mine before the hub bearings got crunchy. Replaced them with ceramic to try out. Got a spare set from Hope and another set of stainless just in case.

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    Hope part #'s
    61903
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    Definitely not using OEM
    Looking at Enduro or Wood

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    Thinking outloud.......why would they and why does Hope continue to install crap bearings that would / does detract from such a quality component??

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    Quote Originally Posted by nvphatty View Post
    Thinking outloud.......why would they and why does Hope continue to install crap bearings that would / does detract from such a quality component??
    I'm not accusing Hope of this specifically because I have no experience with their hubs, but, some companies do this and gamble on the notion that you won't find out all that quickly.
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    You can order Enduro replacement bearings from these guys: Enduro Sealed Bearings
    These are the bearing sizes from the Hope website:
    Bearing #/OD/ID/Width
    609 24 9 7
    6000 26 10 8
    6001 28 12 8
    6002 32 15 9
    61801 21 12 5
    61802 24 15 5
    61803 26 17 5
    61804 32 20 7
    61805 37 25 7
    61901 24 12 6
    61902 28 15 7
    61903 30 17 7
    17287 28 17 7
    17328 32 17 8

    Not sure which ones you need, but should be easy enough to figure out. The Wheels Manufacturing site has a "View Compatibility" link for each bearing that lists hubs.
    Hope hubs are pretty easy to take apart, but getting the old bearings out might be tough unless you have a bearing extractor.

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    Hope bearings are pure crap, my old EVO bearings lasted 2 months and I made the mistake of replacing them with another set of Hope bearings, gave out shortly thereafter, replaced with Enduros and everything ran smoothly until the free hub body cracked. Replace with Enduro and be happy (as long as the freehub body lasts).

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    Enduros ordered. I took the hub apart and the axle bearing on the hub side was the problem. the other side and hub bearings were ok but are getting replaced as a precaution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgeworker View Post
    Enduros ordered. I took the hub apart and the axle bearing on the hub side was the problem. the other side and hub bearings were ok but are getting replaced as a precaution.
    So what bearings/part numbers did you order? I have not knocked the bearings out of mine but know I need to order new bearings. I checked them the other day and they were a little rough. Thanks.

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    61903 - axle
    17287 - freehub

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    I am guessing they are trying to hit a price point, and doing so by specing very cheap bearings. I had lots of issues with their bearings, and even after I had a personal phone conversation with Phil at Hope USA (the only person on staff who knows wtf is going on) who assured me the bearings in the steel freehub body he was sending me would be much better, guess what!!??

    My other guess is that they maybe just streched the hub width out from a standard 135 (reference their 150mm hub for that wtf factor) and didn't account for additional forces? Leading to bearing failures they are not encountering in their stadard 135mm hubs.

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    It seems like a long axle for two 7mm wide bearings. They may need to figure in some central location for another bearing or two.

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    Hope is sending replacements for what that is worth. Service was pretty good once I connected with someone willing to help.

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    As other's have said the current crop of bearings are made of cheese....

    One of my friends has had great customer service, in the fact the have replaced many bearings and even replaced the full hub and rebuilt the wheel, which still failed. Hope do try and resolve the problem but alas if their materials are rubbish it will never be resolved until they use a harder material for their bearing.

    In the end he replaced with SKF bearing's refilled with marine axle grease and they are still buttery smooth.... I personally will be going straight for SKF's when I need to change mine.

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    As I said before, Hope makes a great hub and the people working their try to service their customers, but the lack of trying to fix the base of the problem is bad.

    When I bought my hub I was assured it was the new generation of bearings with the 40 POE. Great, installed it under 500 miles one of the axle bearings failed with no sign of grease contamination just the ball bearings flatting. My LBS give me another bearing they had so I installed it, checked the other bearings they spin okay but no silky. Rode maybe a 100 miles freehub started making noise. Took it apart freehud bearings where starting to flatten. The freehud had small marks on body from engagement ring but had not really done any damage.

    Went back to my LBS they call Hope to ask for new warranty bearing and if they would be the same bearing, Hope said they would be the same bearings. That is what I have a problem with Hopes unwillingness to fix the basic problem. We will warranty it with the same product that has failed multiple times for multiple customers. That is pretty poor customer service from the management. Fix the problem, not just shine your customers on!

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    Amazing how people can have polar experiences with the same product.
    And I'm not doubting any of you who have had bearings fail.

    After reading about some failures here....I bought a extra set of SKF bearings last year when I bought the 170 Fatsno. I put 2K miles on it and it was still smooth and never used the replacements.

    So I now have 2 sets of 197 hubs....1 has a few hundred muddy miles on it and I just checked it...it's spinning smooth. I hope I don't have to swap the bearings...but if I do....it's a cheap solution.

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    I pulled the hub body off last night cause i felt there was a bearing issue. The hub body bearing underneath the pawls has come apart. Not sure how to get it out now and what bearings to use if/when I get the failed bearing out.
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    I sent my hub all the way back to England for service. 20 miles later, they roll rough again. This is after 2 bearing replacements last winter. Completely unacceptable.

    The bearings on my standard MTB Hope hubs on my monstercross bike have lasted longer, but not as long as they should.

    I'm glad to hear that Enduro bearings are fixing this. I was assuming there was a manufacturing issue with ms-alighned axle/shell or something.

    Still, these are EXPENSIVE hubs and failure should not be an option. Perhaps I'm spoiled with my 15 year old Chris King hubs that are still the rocking on my primary mountain bike, with simple servicing every 1-2 years.
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    Enduro bearing are very good and are cheap, you can go to ceramic bearing but I dont know that they would be a benefit and are a lot more expensive.
    You can usually get under the bearing race with a small pick at an angle, I grind them flat be for I try this. The bearing race is no that tight of a fit just keep working your way around tapping it with a small hammer

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgeworker View Post
    61903 - axle
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    So for a Fatsno 190mm I need two 61903 and three 17287? Thanks- don't want to have to order twice.
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    Everyone should post what hub width, and axle config they are using, might help to diagnose where the issues are coming from.

    My old 135's (both fat bike & regular bike) have thousands of miles, zero bearing issues. I clean & repack the grease in the freehub once/year & that is it, set & forget.

    I don't have enough time on my new 170 to see how it'll do long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paochow View Post
    So for a Fatsno 190mm I need two 61903 and three 17287? Thanks- don't want to have to order twice.
    I'd double check that. If the Fatsno hubs have the same bearing layout as the regular 135mm Pro2 Evos then there are 3 different bearings used:

    2 x S61903
    1 x S17287
    2 x S6803

    http://cdn.hopetechnology.netdna-cdn...arExploded.pdf

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    A bearing failed in my front fatsno hub after less than 100 miles. Hope sent me a replacement, but there was a mistake somewhere and it was the wrong size. Ordered and installed enduro and have had 0 problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winkster View Post
    I pulled the hub body off last night cause i felt there was a bearing issue. The hub body bearing underneath the pawls has come apart. Not sure how to get it out now and what bearings to use if/when I get the failed bearing out.
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    I had the same thing happen. I really didn't notice the hub acting all that funny, but pulled it apart and found a bunch of balls floating around and the inner race shreaded. It was at that piont I called hope for a complete freehub body w/ bearings.

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    I have had issues with Hope Pro2 EVO rear hubs and my 1st gen Fatsno 170 rear hubs. I think heavier riders and fat bikers would do well to look elsewhere for a reliable rear hub. I've cracked 5 alloy freehub bodies and deformed two stainless bodies. when they increased the axle size in the rear hub the bearing orifice on the freehub increased too. that means the wall thickness is less and prone to deform under load. Giant rear cogs seem to accelerate the issue. it literally ovalizes and crushes that inside freehub bearing, leaving shrapnel everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paochow View Post
    So for a Fatsno 190mm I need two 61903 and three 17287? Thanks- don't want to have to order twice.
    I ordered two of each. I've got the hub all apart and only see 4 bearings

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    With my Fatboy all apart in the garage waiting for the new bearings I can't help but admire my Alfine equipped Pugs that has never given me a lick of trouble in 7 yrs and over 5k miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRALPH View Post
    I have had issues with Hope Pro2 EVO rear hubs and my 1st gen Fatsno 170 rear hubs. I think heavier riders and fat bikers would do well to look elsewhere for a reliable rear hub. I've cracked 5 alloy freehub bodies and deformed two stainless bodies. when they increased the axle size in the rear hub the bearing orifice on the freehub increased too. that means the wall thickness is less and prone to deform under load. Giant rear cogs seem to accelerate the issue. it literally ovalizes and crushes that inside freehub bearing, leaving shrapnel everywhere.
    Wow 5 Freehub bodies!
    Did you look and see if the bearings was bad in the failed freehubs?
    I have a newer generation Fatso 190 with the 40POE freehub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwarwick View Post
    I'd double check that. If the Fatsno hubs have the same bearing layout as the regular 135mm Pro2 Evos then there are 3 different bearings used:

    2 x S61903
    1 x S17287
    2 x S6803

    http://cdn.hopetechnology.netdna-cdn...arExploded.pdf
    Thanks- I popped off the end caps and freehub and those appear to correct.
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    How do you know if the hub is a newer generation? They have only been out for months not years, right?

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    Around 500 miles, mostly snow, on a 170 QR 40 POE hope with 42T cog, runs great.

    Have had no issues with Hopes on my 135 mm bikes.

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    Problems discussed are with the 190

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    My other guess is that they maybe just streched the hub width out from a standard 135 (reference their 150mm hub for that wtf factor) and didn't account for additional forces? Leading to bearing failures they are not encountering in their stadard 135mm hubs.
    This sounds likely. Longer axle + heavier wheel + disc brake rotor torque + average quality bearings = short life.

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    Fatsno rear hub bearing issue (already!)

    Quote Originally Posted by blueeyeddevil View Post
    This sounds likely. Longer axle + heavier wheel + disc brake rotor torque + average quality bearings = short life.
    I have three other hope hub sets of normal size. All of them have rough, rough bearings. So, it's not unique to the wider hubs. Of course my 170 fatsno hub is also a rough mess.
    The roughness starts very early on.
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    I misspoke here. The freehub has three bearings

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    Hope fat hubs have some serious reliability issues. I have seen both the rear AND front fail on fat bikes. How can a front hub fail? Rear's are the worst. I wouldn't use a rear Hope fat hub if somebody gave it to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwarwick View Post
    I'd double check that. If the Fatsno hubs have the same bearing layout as the regular 135mm Pro2 Evos then there are 3 different bearings used:

    2 x S61903
    1 x S17287
    2 x S6803

    http://cdn.hopetechnology.netdna-cdn...arExploded.pdf

    My LBS has suggested I try a local bearing supplier for replacements. Are these numbers an Enduro part # or a general size/shape for bearings?
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    Quote Originally Posted by litespeedaddict View Post
    Hope fat hubs have some serious reliability issues. I have seen both the rear AND front fail on fat bikes. How can a front hub fail? Rear's are the worst. I wouldn't use a rear Hope fat hub if somebody gave it to me.
    Well, this is great to hear. I replaced the stock OEM hubs with Hope to make it a more reliable setup due to the harsh conditions. 'Hope'fully I didn't waste $400.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FishMan473 View Post
    My LBS has suggested I try a local bearing supplier for replacements. Are these numbers an Enduro part # or a general size/shape for bearings?
    An industry standard for bearings:

    Bearing Numbers and Types Explained

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgeworker View Post
    Problems discussed are with the 190
    The Mayor posted positive data for 170 and 190. I agree that the issues seem to be with 190, but it helps drive conclusions if we post data for both configs. And qr vs thru axle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by litespeedaddict View Post
    Rear's are the worst. I wouldn't use a rear Hope fat hub if somebody gave it to me.
    Why not, run it til the bearings fail and then put some enduros in and you are set. I'll agree that the stock bearings are lacking, but Hopes are easy to work on and take readily available bearings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbiker74 View Post
    The Mayor posted positive data for 170 and 190. I agree that the issues seem to be with 190, but it helps drive conclusions if we post data for both configs. And qr vs thru axle.
    I run 170's on a 2011 Salsa Mukluk. After 10 months of use the rear bearings failed. I can do the replacement but took em to my local bikeshop and had a new set of bearings installed under warranty in a day.

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    The freehub body is the same for 135mm pro2 evo and 170mm fatsno hubs. The gold alloy bodies cracked along the key spine, the inner bearing was in pieces everywhere. I switched to the stainless steel freehub bodies in both my 135 hubs and my 170 hub, which seem to last longer before the bearing explodes. At least the body stays together.

    Replacing my 135 hubs with Chris King. Hoping CK releases a 170 fat bike hub sometime.

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    For those that have been having Hope hub failures, were you using the Hope QR axle or the stock part? The reason I ask is I measured my stock Fatboy axle and it is .2mm smaller in diameter vs the Hope part.

    The way that QRs mount should make that difference a non issue, but then again with the flex of fat frames, maybe that explains why some have no issues and others have plenty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paochow View Post
    Why not, run it til the bearings fail and then put some enduros in and you are set. I'll agree that the stock bearings are lacking, but Hopes are easy to work on and take readily available bearings.

    Better question is why would you want to buy something that cost as much as a "real" hub knowing it's going to fail, and then you have to buy more bearings and fix it yourself? There are better options out there that won't leave me stranded and screw up my ride for the day. Hope rear fat hubs are a ticking time bomb, and their fronts are only marginally better. Like I said in a previous post, how in the heck does a front hub fail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by litespeedaddict View Post
    Better question is why would you want to buy something that cost as much as a "real" hub knowing it's going to fail, and then you have to buy more bearings and fix it yourself? There are better options out there that won't leave me stranded and screw up my ride for the day. Hope rear fat hubs are a ticking time bomb, and their fronts are only marginally better. Like I said in a previous post, how in the heck does a front hub fail?
    Which other rear 190mm hub would you recommend in the $200 range? Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by litespeedaddict View Post
    Like I said in a previous post, how in the heck does a front hub fail?
    Easy- either defective bearings or as I found out on my dirtbike- failure to properly torque the front axle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paochow View Post
    Which other rear 190mm hub would you recommend in the $200 range? Thanks!

    I sense a bit of smart alek in your reply so I will leave you with this and then bow out. Hope fat hubs fail at an alarming rate, if that doesn't bother you that's fine, it bothers me. I think Hope 190 hubs cost a little more than $200, more like $275 +/- is more accurate, then you have to add in the cost of your Enduro bearings and the hassle of fixing it after it fails, and it will fail. If all that's Ok with you who am I to argue, it's your bike and to your comment about defective bearings....Hope sure seems to have a lot of those. Weird. Did I mention their freehub bodies leave a lot to be desired to? Sign me up!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Paochow View Post
    Which other rear 190mm hub would you recommend in the $200 range? Thanks!
    I don't think there are many issues with 9:zero:7 or Salsa rear hubs. I have 9:zero:7 rear hubs, and so far so good (only roughly 100 clyde miles).

    If you have the cash (or can save for it) I9 or the (new to the market) Onyx hubs might be a wise investment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by litespeedaddict View Post
    I sense a bit of smart alek in your reply so I will leave you with this and then bow out. Hope fat hubs fail at an alarming rate, if that doesn't bother you that's fine, it bothers me. I think Hope 190 hubs cost a little more than $200, more like $275 +/- is more accurate, then you have to add in the cost of your Enduro bearings and the hassle of fixing it after it fails, and it will fail. If all that's Ok with you who am I to argue, it's your bike and to your comment about defective bearings....Hope sure seems to have a lot of those. Weird. Did I mention their freehub bodies leave a lot to be desired to? Sign me up!!



    I don't care if they cost a penny, I will go with something else.
    I'm not trying to be smart- I bought my Hope 190mm from Modern Bike for $208 shipped. It has been sitting in the box unused as insurance as my dealer repaired Fatboy hub is starting to wobble again. I'm going to wait and see what the dealer does when it goes again.

    If there is a reasonably priced alternative I'm all ears as I can still return the Hope. I've done a bunch of googling and aside from $395 I9's I haven't seen hubs that don't have similar issues. Even with the I9 there isn't much guarantee as they are new to the market and their user base is much smaller. From what I've read customer service may be lacking as well.

    I've bought nice reliable complete wheelsets for my road bike and MTB that cost $300, so why should I have to pay $395 for a reliable rear hub?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I don't think there are many issues with 9:zero:7 or Salsa rear hubs. I have 9:zero:7 rear hubs, and so far so good (only roughly 100 clyde miles).

    If you have the cash (or can save for it) I9 or the (new to the market) Onyx hubs might be a wise investment.
    Thanks! I'll have to take a look at the 9:zero:7 hubs- just wish they had color choices or that I had gone basic black with the front hub. I had written off salsa after reading this: Are Salsa hubs weak?

    The others are too rich for my blood. When I could buy a very nice second fat bike for $1600, not looking to spend 1/4 of that on a hub.
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    litespeedaddict, you're being really effing helpful. This thread is for people who already own the hub, and are trying to figure out what's going wrong and what we can do about it. I think the number of issues we're reporting here speaks for itself regarding the reliability and value (or lack there of) of these hubs. If you don't have anything positive to contribute, go waste someone eases time reading your snarky and venomous comments. Life is too short to get so upset over someone else's hubs.
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    So the question is... For those that have swapped to Enduro bearings did it fix the issue, or will I need to buy some bearing stocks if I keep the hub?
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    We have to remember that fat bikes haven't really been around that long, and the number of 190 frames on the planet is not even a drop in the bucket, compared to the 135mm mtnbikes. There are millions of miles of history on standard 135mm hubs, which has led to the price and quality we experience today.

    When you buy into something this new, you have to expect to pay more for quality, regardless if is a bike part, car part, or blow up doll.

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    Same thing here the first set of bearings last me about a hundred miles, the second set I install (don't remember from where) are already showing signs of failure after about 300 miles

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    Mine (190mm Pro2 EVO) started making noise this morning - kind of a grinding/chattering sound under load (when climbing, etc). It has 34 miles on it. :\
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    Hmmmm....
    1 post about bearings and now all the Hopes are assploding.
    The power of the interwebz....

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    That sucks! Me thinks I may be just as well off sticking with the stock Fatboy hub then- at least that one is fixed for free, but it is nowhere near as pretty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paochow View Post
    That sucks! Me thinks I may be just as well off sticking with the stock Fatboy hub then- at least that one is fixed for free.
    Before you throw in the towel...try them.
    I have almost 700 miles on a set of 150/197 Hopes with plenty of water, mud and snow/ice.....and they are still spinning fine.( I just pulled apart the rear hub)
    And if they get crappy....I have 40 bucks of good bearing here to fix that.
    First world problems.....

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    All I found wrong in my hub was one rough bearing for the axle. No sign of contamination of any sort. Freehub seems fine. I just thought it happened too soon. I fully understand that we're dealing with some new stuff here and there is going to be teething pains. Enduros are installed for axle - 30min/ $20 job - I'll post up how that goes when I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Hmmmm....
    1 post about bearings and now all the Hopes are assploding.
    The power of the interwebz....
    That has crossed my mind. That and I'm guessing that Hope has a lot more hubs out there than many of the other brands. For every rider with a failure there is probably a few without issue, otherwise Hope would be going broke sending out bearings and parts.

    After working on motorcycle hubs, what really make me like these hubs is how easy they appear to work on. No specialized puller or long drift to swap axle bearings.
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    well this is an interesting thread.... my novatec hub that came on my fattie exploded shorty after getting it when I tourqued it to death... then sprung for the Hope snopro 190.. so far so good but can't believe what I'm reading. A few hundred miles on it so far and it feels good but dang... at least I have the info I need on here if it goes in smoke. A lot of bones for that hub and I'm hoping it'll last for a while. Wish Hadley made a fat hub... best hub I've owned on all my bikes over the years.

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    I've had Hope hubs for years, and the premature bearing issue started with the release of the EVO rear hubs. I still have a Pro 2 rear hub with who knows how many miles on it with zero issues, but 1 of my 2 EVO rears and the Fatsno 170 have a rough bearing. I clearly recall replacing the bad bearing in one of the EVO hubs, and having it feel rough as soon as the hub was reassembled.

    At the time I searched out a solution, and somebody on MTBR claimed to have fixed the issue by sanding down the bearing seat so that it wasn't such a tight fit. Seriously. I can't find it now, but apparently that was a solution that worked for two rear hubs. All my Hope-equipped bikes are spares at this point, so it's not a pressing issue, and I didn't notice the rough bearing when I rode them. The Enduro bearing replacement sounds like a good solution...
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    This is probably a stupid sounding post/question, but how do you know if the bearings are bad?

    I went from a pretty old Pugsley to a new titanium fatbike I built up, first rides on it were both days this weekend and it seemed harder to pedal around than my old pug. It feels like I was fighting resistance somewhere. Pedaling fast there was so much vibration I thought it would rattle my bike apart. Coasting was fine. I put it on the bike stand tonight and just turned the cranks, and the faster the rear wheel spins under load, the more vibration there is. Under light load (just before coasting) I can feel and hear some clunking. Again, coasting is fine, no vibration or noises. This is on a 197 Hope.

    I read that Hopes can have a break in period, but I got a new Hope 142 for my mtb this past summer and it was nothing like this out of the box.

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    Just got mine from the shop and went for a ride, ran good on the first ride but need to order the 990 cassette so I don't strip the freehub body

    and the sound!!!



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    I would agree that this is a small sample group with regards to the amount of hubs sold, but I really have to believe there are enough failures that Hope would recognize a potential issue?

    I wanted to add that after I experienced my third bearing failure, I swapped out the Hope for a White Industries Snowhite rear hub, and had ZERO issues. I am wishing they would make a 197TA hub soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paochow View Post
    I'm not trying to be smart- I bought my Hope 190mm from Modern Bike for $208 shipped. It has been sitting in the box unused as insurance as my dealer repaired Fatboy hub is starting to wobble again. I'm going to wait and see what the dealer does when it goes again.
    Funny, I did the exact same thing. Started riding the Hope's last week with my carbon hoops. The hub is a lot better than the Fatboy hub and it doesn't make any weird popping and clicking sounds. My only complaint with the Hope, and it is minor, is that it is fairly loud in freewheel mode. Beyond that it is a very nice unit imho, especially for 2 bills.

    The Snowhites are nice units, but no 190 avail and more $
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I wanted to add that after I experienced my third bearing failure, I swapped out the Hope for a White Industries Snowhite rear hub, and had ZERO issues. I am wishing they would make a 197TA hub soon.
    Yes, and a 150 thru-front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bizarro View Post
    well this is an interesting thread.... my novatec hub that came on my fattie exploded shorty after getting it when I tourqued it to death... then sprung for the Hope snopro 190.. so far so good but can't believe what I'm reading. A few hundred miles on it so far and it feels good but dang... at least I have the info I need on here if it goes in smoke. A lot of bones for that hub and I'm hoping it'll last for a while. Wish Hadley made a fat hub... best hub I've owned on all my bikes over the years.

    cheers!
    Do yourself a favor.
    Order yourself some Enduro or SKF bearings.
    $20...have them on hand if your bearings go south. And if you have them on hand...you will probably never need them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cycloxer13 View Post
    Funny, I did the exact same thing. Started riding the Hope's last week with my carbon hoops. The hub is a lot better than the Fatboy hub and it doesn't make any weird popping and clicking sounds. My only complaint with the Hope, and it is minor, is that it is fairly loud in freewheel mode. Beyond that it is a very nice unit imho, especially for 2 bills.

    The Snowhites are nice units, but no 190 avail and more $
    I have the 170 rear and got to be around 1000 miles on it now in just a few months. Can't detect anything bad about it. Hope has a reputation for using off-the-shelf cartridge bearing units, but they seem decent. I like the freewheel noise for hikers.
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    I know I put it in other threads, but after reading through this thread a few months ago, I refused Specialized's offer to replace my hub with a Hope. I insisted on an I9, the bike shop called Specialized and they approved it. So far the I9 has worked great, but I only have about 100 miles on it.

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    How fat are you guys who have broken hubs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AC/BC View Post
    How fat are you guys who have broken hubs?
    I'm 5'10 / 175lbs. Call it 185 or so with all my gear on / hydration pack / etc on the bike.
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    Excellent question. 195# riding

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    I'm 145 lbs. Burned up my rear hub bearings last year < 100 miles; was sent warranty replacements. Running rough again. Just ordered set of Enduro's. Hope that fixes it. Shame that I have to do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AC/BC View Post
    How fat are you guys who have broken hubs?
    Call me fat again, and I will take your AC ,and shove it straight up your BC. Get my drift?

    235lbs. Just tore up a 9:zero:7 hub in just over 100 miles too.

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    I guess im surprised now that i haven't had bearing issues. But i dont ride my fat bike a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exp18 View Post
    Wow 5 Freehub bodies!
    Did you look and see if the bearings was bad in the failed freehubs?
    I have a newer generation Fatso 190 with the 40POE freehub.
    If you mean the little pieces of bearings and races that were everywhere, making crunchy noise, then ya, they were bad. :-)

    My LBS has been good and warrantied most of these, but upon directly inspecting and comparing an old Pro2 freehub body and the new Pro2 EVO body, with calipers, we could see there is less material in the newer body. Then they had a huge batch of bad freehubs from Hope that had to be returned too, as the threading for the cassette locking was messed up.

    I may need to look at these new DT 350 fat bike hubs mikesee is talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Call me fat again, and I will take your AC ,and shove it straight up your BC. Get my drift?

    235lbs. Just tore up a 9:zero:7 hub in just over 100 miles too.
    So I'm guessing you no longer recommend the 9:0:7 hub.... Bummer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paochow View Post
    So I'm guessing you no longer recommend the 9:0:7 hub.... Bummer.
    Feedback from the shop I bought it from, and 9:ZERO:7 both point to me just getting a bad hub, or having bad karma (which is my own fault). The shop swore up and down they have had really good luck with their hubs, and they have pushed a lot out their doors.

    I am a Chris King type fella, and am looking for the best I can get at this point. Right now I9 is my best bet, but I am tempted by the Onyx hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Do yourself a favor.
    Order yourself some Enduro or SKF bearings.
    $20...have them on hand if your bearings go south. And if you have them on hand...you will probably never need them.
    Sound advice! I ordered a full set of Enduro's when I swapped in my Hope 190 and they have been sitting gathering dust since. 300 miles so far of angry bee's and the Hopes are still solid.
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    So when these bearings crap out, which ones are at fault in the rear? Do you only need to replace the two 61903 (6903) or do the two 61803 (6803) need replacing also? What about the 17287?

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    Replace them all it will save you a lot of frustration, I tried the replacing what I thought was needed at the time. With in a 100 miles i was back into it to replace the rest.

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    A lot of experianced owners on here with the same issues rules out rider error ect...
    There is deft some weird flex Zombie curse happening to these wider Hope hubs.

    Apart from being skint-"Scottish for no money for new toys", my old school offset 135mm rear Hope hub Surly bikes are still rolling with just a yearly re grease of the bearings with Wurth Graphite grease,
    My Moonlander has a rear 135mm Pro 2 hub i bought in 2005 when they came out and has been on 4 bikes and 4 figure miles now... It is proper bomber, and i have bought another 5 since...some have steel freehubs that i think make them even better for strenght...

    So compared to bolt through all singing and dancing wide inline hubs that are supposed to give some improvement in riding quality and handling etc,
    I see stuff that is in the real world here on trails and the coast is in reality not really any faster when regular `non athletic folks` like myself and friends have ridden with these bikes and my old offset Fatbikes alongside...
    And unlike the old 135mm hub Fatbikes there is it seems a problem of reliability!,
    Maybe Formula hubs etc are not failing like the wider Hopes?, but when they do i dunno where you get them fixed here in the UK? unlike Hope.

    Think i will be sticking with my offset 135mm Fatbikes as they do the job fine!
    I really like Hope products but they need to look as these issues as it is our hard earned money being spent on these products, not fair on you guys!
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    Maybe Formula hubs etc are not failing like the wider Hopes?, but when they do i dunno where you get them fixed here in the UK? unlike Hope.
    Aren't the stock Fatboy hubs made by Formula? If so, in my experience, the Formula hubs are less reliable. My Hopes have lasted longer than 2 sets of Formulas and are still going strong....knock on wood
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    coastkid71, I am guessing all your Hopes are pre "EVO", which are reported by others to be much better w/ regards to strength when compared with the EVO models.

    Hope knows they put sh!t bearings in the EVO models, per my conversation with Phil at Hope USA.

    I really do think it is a mistake on the designer/engineers part to simply stretch a 135mm hub/design into a 170/190mm platform. The hubs/bearings will see an exponentially greater loads from the additional rotating wheel mass, and traction offered.

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    230# riding weight w/ 400 miles on 40t 170mm fatsno hub this winter, temps ranging from -12F to 35F, still rolling smooth

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    Crunch, Grind, and Bind

    The s6803 bearing between the freehub and the main body after the last ride:

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    The outside of the bearing was left in the freehub, and I removed it by prying up oh so gently with a flat blade screwdriver a bit at a time:

    Fatsno rear hub bearing issue (already!)-freehub.jpg

    Inside of the main body looks fine:

    Fatsno rear hub bearing issue (already!)-body.jpg

    Was able to source a bearing locally, re-assembled everything, and still had a binding issue. Found a 17MM ID spacer locally, placed that between the freehub bearing and the main bearing, and issue resolved.

    Had about 1k or so for mileage before the event. LBS suggests that cause of my issue MAY BE the standard quick release allowing too much flex in the shaft, and recommends going through axle. They seem to think this will relieve the stress on the internal components.
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    Quote Originally Posted by switchie View Post
    The s6803 bearing between the freehub and the main body after the last ride:

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    The outside of the bearing was left in the freehub, and I removed it by prying up oh so gently with a flat blade screwdriver a bit at a time:

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    Was able to source a bearing locally, re-assembled everything, and still had a binding issue. Found a 17MM ID spacer locally, placed that between the freehub bearing and the main bearing, and issue resolved.

    Had about 1k or so for mileage before the event. LBS suggests that cause of my issue MAY BE the standard quick release allowing too much flex in the shaft, and recommends going through axle. They seem to think this will relieve the stress on the internal components.
    Wonder what happened to your stock spacer washer under the freehub? Was it part of the carnage? Or the lack thereof the cause of it?

    I tried a few months ago to source a 10mm diameter QR skewer to stiffen the rear end of my Fatboy, but had no such luck. Fatback wouldn't sell them separate of their hubs and no one else sold them. I ended up going with a Hope QR skewer which seems to lock down better than the stock one, but would still like to find a larger diameter one.
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    less than 1500+ km total. less than 6 mths and i got this issue how should if fix it.

    - when pedal the pedal moves with the hubs moving forward
    - theres significant drag check the ending when the wheel slow down, its like someone pulling the brakes.

    ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AC/BC View Post
    How fat are you guys who have broken hubs?
    1.79m/110kg, fully loaded.

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    freewheel mode fail. well a fixie fatbike anyone?

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    Paochow, I have the Fatback rear skewer you are looking for. Hit me up.

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    same exact bearing issue as seen above for me.

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    Stainless freehub body and through axle conversion seems to have resolved my issues. I think it's related to flex under load chewing up the bearing

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    I don't think it's flex as the older early EVO versions seem to have been fairly reliable, it's the latest Stainless bearings that are too soft.

    After 2 years on the original bearings I have re-greased once but it's time for replacement as they are rough and starting to drag.

    I have just ordered SKF Bearings for the 6803 / 6903 and then the Enduro ABEC5 for the 17x28x7, as SKF don't make this. I will repack them all with my chosen Lith-Molly Grease before fitting and hope these give me another 2 years.

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